Is the AR-15 the best that America can do? - Page 1

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Posted: 3/5/2013 8:40:41 AM EDT

Meanwhile Russia has developed the AK-12....

I mean seriously is the 8lug bolt design with a 6,000-10,000 round life the best America can do? It amazes me we cannot move to a better gun with 30,000+ rounds parts life while places like Russia have a gun that is just that, meanwhile they developed the AK-12 making it as ergonomic as the AR-15, allowing for accessories to easily be attached and have a parts life in excess of 25,000 rounds...

Amazing that in this country a 6-10,000 round gun is the best we can do. Not to mention the inherent reliability the AK offers over the AR-15(not to say the AR-15 is unreliable, just not AK reliable).

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:41:38 AM EDT

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Posted: 3/5/2013 8:42:28 AM EDT

[#2]

this should go well......

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:42:37 AM EDT

[#3]

OP prepare your anus, ARF is coming in dry.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:42:58 AM EDT

[#4]

Umm , ok .

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:43:01 AM EDT

[#5]

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:43:04 AM EDT

[#6]

Off we go!

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:43:08 AM EDT

[#7]

lol

Gotta love people who have strong opinions about things they doesn't understand.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:43:32 AM EDT

[#8]

"Mil-Spec" is the worst thing that has ever happened to AR15 bolt life.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:43:35 AM EDT

[#9]

Yous trollin

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:44:01 AM EDT

[#10]

The only thing an AK is reliable for is taking up space in a trashcan.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:44:15 AM EDT

[#11]

SCAR? ACR?

Only difference between the AK-12 and an AKM is the stocks and a rail system.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:44:16 AM EDT

[#12]

in on page 1 for epicness

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:44:41 AM EDT

[#13]

I'm on JRS, so I can't see OPs location, are you the next incarnation of Primorsky?

The AK-12 hasn't been adopted by Russia yet right? It hasn't even entered production, has it? Have any of their claims (if that's even their claim) of life expectancy on barrels been tested?

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:45:23 AM EDT

[#14]

If you would get out of your basement and pick up a REAL AK, not the one's made in semi for the AMERICAN market, you would not trust the damn thing not to blow up on you. They are junk.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:45:26 AM EDT

[#15]

I know when my AR's hit 6k rounds the bolts turn to dust and I have to replace the barrel extension just to be safe

WTF

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:45:27 AM EDT

[#16]

I got my popcorn, my trashcan and "O Fortuna" cranked up to 11 for this shit.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:45:28 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
The only thing an AK is reliable for is taking up space in a trashcan.

Do you even know why people say that?

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:45:41 AM EDT

[#18]

Get back to us when the Russians invent an AK that can accurately engage point targets at 500 meters.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:45:44 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
"Mil-Spec" is the worst thing that has ever happened to AR15 bolt life.

Mil-spec is best-spec

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:46:19 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
SCAR? ACR?

Only difference between the AK-12 and an AKM is the stocks and a rail system.

Oh yea scar is so american

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:46:21 AM EDT

[#21]

Popcorn: check

Large drink: check

In on rape of OP: check

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:46:56 AM EDT

[#22]

Has the OP shot the AK-12, or is he just basing his opinion off the internet?

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:47:14 AM EDT

[#23]

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:47:32 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
If you would get out of your basement and pick up a REAL AK, not the one's made in semi for the AMERICAN market, you would not trust the damn thing not to blow up on you. They are junk.

We got trolls from both side now

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:47:53 AM EDT

[#25]

You commie loving piece of ak umm shit!

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:48:17 AM EDT

[#26]

The Jews do it better Tavor

Do want

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:48:26 AM EDT

[#27]

Yeah, no one in the West has designed a modern battle rifle beyond the M16/M4. Maybe FN, Remington, H&K, etc could get on that.

They could call it the SCAR, ACR, M416.

Just because the Military has not adopted it does not mean it doesn't exist.

Lot's of great modernized variants out there from some great Mfg's beyond the above.

LaRue, LMT, LWRC, Noveske, etc, etc, etc.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:48:42 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Has the OP shot the AK-12, or is he just basing his opinion off the internet?

He designed it

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:48:42 AM EDT

[#29]

Off we go, into the wild newb yonder.....

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:48:54 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
The only thing an AK is reliable for is taking up space in a trashcan.

Some even come with a folding stock for better trash can storage.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:49:12 AM EDT

[#31]

Shit! I've only got 8,563 rounds left before implosion, and PSA is out of lowers! I'm just fucked.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:49:20 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Get back to us when the Russians invent an AK that can accurately engage point targets at 500 meters.

No kidding. Only accurate guns are interesting. The AR design is damn interesting.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:49:51 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
The Jews do it better Tavor

Do want

Realistically, there's no real innovation in the Tavor over a SteyrAUG from the 1970s

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:50:12 AM EDT

[#34]

GD-13

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:50:36 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Yeah, no one in the West has designed a modern battle rifle beyond the M16/M4. Maybe FN, Remington, H&K, etc could get on that.

They could call it the SCAR, ACR, M416.

Just because the Military has not adopted it does not mean it doesn't exist.

FN and H&K are european

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:50:58 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Off we go, into the wild newb yonder.....

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:51:10 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Has the OP shot the AK-12, or is he just basing his opinion off the internet?

He designed it

It's like really badass, level 25 in COD 4.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:51:21 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The Jews do it better Tavor

Do want

Realistically, there's no real innovation in the Tavor over a SteyrAUG from the 1970s

From the reviews I watched on youtube they say the trigger and the ejection is better.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:51:33 AM EDT

[#39]

In on 1

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:51:40 AM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:
"Mil-Spec" is the worst thing that has ever happened to AR15 bolt life.

Mil-spec is best-spec

According to the .PPT done by socom a heavy use M4A1 bolt is good for 6,000 rounds.

Yet you never hear of a AK shearing lugs, not only that but bulgarian barrels are rated for 15,000 rounds in full auto.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:51:41 AM EDT

[#41]

did I make it!

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:52:09 AM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:
SCAR? ACR?

Only difference between the AK-12 and an AKM is the stocks and a rail system.

Oh yea scar is so american

Depends on your definition I guess. FN may not originally be American, but FNH USA is and they're the company producing it. Guess who they designed it for? Guess where it's made?

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:52:34 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Get back to us when the Russians invent an AK that can accurately engage point targets at 500 meters.

No kidding. Only accurate guns are interesting. The AR design is damn interesting.

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:52:38 AM EDT

[#44]

Posted: 3/5/2013 8:53:00 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
Meanwhile Russia has developed the AK-12....

I mean seriously is the 8lug bolt design with a 6,000-10,000 round life the best America can do? It amazes me we cannot move to a better gun with 30,000+ rounds parts life while places like Russia have a gun that is just that, meanwhile they developed the AK-12 making it as ergonomic as the AR-15, allowing for accessories to easily be attached and have a parts life in excess of 25,000 rounds...

Amazing that in this country a 6-10,000 round gun is the best we can do. Not to mention the inherent reliability the AK offers over the AR-15(not to say the AR-15 is unreliable, just not AK reliable).

The AK-12 is a Tapco-fucked MAK-90.