[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Is Liberty Safe the new Benchmade? (Page 2 of 21)
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Quoted: Lol. I can only imagine the conversation at Liberty once they received the federal warrant…." Boss, we have warrant to release the combo of one of the J-6 defendants….I say fuck them!! I spoke with our attorney and he said fuck them too!….this is the hill we die on!!…" or something like that. You guys crack me up. GD is always good for a morning laugh! Most people (at least the the intelligent ones) understand that complying with a warrant/subpoena is not the problem. |
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Quoted: What some of you seem to be forgetting is that they had a warrant and wanted in the safe. They were not going to stop if Liberty said no. They would just have someone come in and destroy the safe. The bigger issue is they didn’t have a back door code for owners locked out, yet the do for the feds. |
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Quoted: So? Quoted: Quoted: What some of you seem to be forgetting is that they had a warrant and wanted in the safe. They were not going to stop if Liberty said no. They would just have someone come in and destroy the safe. So you would rather they destroy the safe than get the combination? |
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Quoted: Regardless of this J6 mess, that's a good reason to not own one. No one but me should have access to my safe. Have you made arrangements for a trusted person to get into your safe in case you die unexpectedly or otherwise become unable to manage your affairs? |
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Quoted: What, exactly, were they supposed to do in that situation? I could see an argument to just do away with having access codes at all for any of their products, but let’s be honest, it’s a fucking RSC, not some super duper encrypted electronic device. If they don’t have an access code, the government is still getting in without much effort at all, likely within a few minutes. The only thing providing an access code pursuant to a warrant does is protect the safe owner from having his safe damaged through some form of destructive entry. This. They spared the target the destruction of their RSC. Liberty safes provide zero protection from entry by the government. If you think otherwise, you are delusional. And no, this is not comparable to giving up an encryption key or unlocking a digital device. |
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Quoted: So you would rather they destroy the safe than get the combination? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What some of you seem to be forgetting is that they had a warrant and wanted in the safe. They were not going to stop if Liberty said no. They would just have someone come in and destroy the safe. So you would rather they destroy the safe than get the combination? What's the point of buying a safe if the safe company gives out the combination? You think the defendant is sitting in jail happy that when he gets out of prison in 7 years his unbroken safe will be sitting in his ex girlfriend's new boyfriend's garage unbroken? |
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Quoted: What, exactly, were they supposed to do in that situation? I could see an argument to just do away with having access codes at all for any of their products, but let's be honest, it's a fucking RSC, not some super duper encrypted electronic device. If they don't have an access code, the government is still getting in without much effort at all, likely within a few minutes. The only thing providing an access code pursuant to a warrant does is protect the safe owner from having his safe damaged through some form of destructive entry. |
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Quoted: No one is going to get fired for complying with a warrant. This isn't hard to understand. Quoted: Quoted: The bigger issue is they didn't have a back door code for owners locked out, yet the do for the feds. No one is going to get fired for complying with a warrant. This isn't hard to understand. |
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Quoted: Unless the feds and said judge directed liberty to give up the code, I certainly fault liberty. Just saying I got a warrant doesn't cut it. “We’re going to toss your HQ and and seize all of your computers to spend a few weeks forensically combing them for info relating to this safe” Or you can just give us a code. Your move. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Hodgetwins-friend-arrested-on-J6-charges/5-2670476/?page=1 Liberty gave the Feds access to the gun safe of a J6 defendant who was recently arrested Recently arrested for something that happened almost 2.5 years ago. Why now? The "evidence" makes it seem as if he was someone that would have been identified as a major agitator long ago. |
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Quoted: Have you made arrangements for a trusted person to get into your safe in case you die unexpectedly or otherwise become unable to manage your affairs? Lock smiths told me they love getting a call from the feds to open a safe when they serve a warrant. It's $1000 for them to show up even if the owner gives the feds the combo and they don't have to do anything. |
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Quoted: The major fuckup by Liberty is that they have always denied the existence of backdoor access codes to owners and lock/safesmiths. They straight up said they have no such backdoors, therefore they can't help you if you lost/forgot your code so just call a locksmith and drill it. Now it comes out that a backdoor exists and they hand it over, no questions asked to anyone with a rubber stamped warrant. THAT is what should get Liberty Safe boycotted. IIRC the Liberties come with the S&G D-Drive Titan which has a *default* Master Reset Code which the instructions recommend changing. So I’m curious if Liberty provided the default MRC and it happens the victim never changed it? Or if S&G has some nefarious hidden back door code? My buddy’s Liberty shipped with a mechanical lock that he had swapped with the same electronic one Liberty uses so I imagine his safe will simply be drilled when the JBTs come to open it. |
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Quoted: So you would rather they destroy the safe than get the combination? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What some of you seem to be forgetting is that they had a warrant and wanted in the safe. They were not going to stop if Liberty said no. They would just have someone come in and destroy the safe. So you would rather they destroy the safe than get the combination? The flip side of your argument is you would rather have the safe company, who likely wasn't directed to do anything, just roll over and start handing out combos? |
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Quoted: Liberty wasn't complying with a warrant. Not a warrant that named Liberty Safe, no. But this is easy to solve. Only buy a safe from a manufacturer that will agree in writing that they'll never cooperate with law enforcement. When you find one, I would say post about it here but this place also cooperates with law enforcement so I guess we'll have to pass notes from cell to cell. |
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Quoted: This. They spared the target the destruction of their RSC. Liberty safes provide zero protection from entry by the government. If you think otherwise, you are delusional. Lol. The target is about to get railroaded with some bullshit J6 charge, destroying his $1,300 safe is the least of his worries. We all know a RSC can be forcibly breached easily by anyone with the right tools. Make them work for it, that’s the whole point of a safe. |
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Quoted: No one is going to get fired for complying with a warrant. This isn't hard to understand. Quoted: Quoted: The bigger issue is they didn’t have a back door code for owners locked out, yet the do for the feds. No one is going to get fired for complying with a warrant. This isn't hard to understand. Reading is hard some i guess. 
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| Many years ago (25) my house was broken into. They beat the shit out of my Liberty safe but it held strong. They actually took it back and gave me a Presidental for a very small $$$. Anyway after the safes beat down I had to have a locksmith open it. Can’t remember how long it took but it was at least 30-45 min. If they want to get in a safe they will…only thing it protects is the average criminal. |
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Quoted: Recently arrested for something that happened almost 2.5 years ago. Why now? The "evidence" makes it seem as if he was someone that would have been identified as a major agitator long ago. |
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Quoted: What, exactly, were they supposed to do in that situation? I could see an argument to just do away with having access codes at all for any of their products, but let’s be honest, it’s a fucking RSC, not some super duper encrypted electronic device. If they don’t have an access code, the government is still getting in without much effort at all, likely within a few minutes. The only thing providing an access code pursuant to a warrant does is protect the safe owner from having his safe damaged through some form of destructive entry. But Muh Rage Bait!!  The Warrant gives the Authorities the right to open the safe by ANY means up to & including destructive entry (drill, pry, cut, etc) So they should have said, sorry we won't comply let the authorities destroy the safe & sold him another one. No social media rage & they get another sale out of it. Do the guy a favor (not destroy his safe) & instead it comes back to bite Liberty on the ass. Bigger_Hammer  |
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Does Liberty Safe still advertise on Hannity? If so, inundate him with protest calls/emails/tweets etc. I don't think SH wants to be seen as the guy that's seen hoisting the equivalent of a Bud Light. It would be a quick and easy way to send them a very clear message |
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Quoted: Not a warrant that named Liberty Safe, no. But this is easy to solve. Only buy a safe from a manufacturer that will agree in writing that they'll never cooperate with law enforcement. When you find one, I would say post about it here but this place also cooperates with law enforcement so I guess we'll have to pass notes from cell to cell. |
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Quoted: Nobody is arguing that. The issue is that Liberty had a backdoor code at all. Does anybody really believe the gun safe they bought at the farm store is really suitable for their guerilla resistance activities? More than anything this seems like what happens when larping meets reality. |
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Quoted: No but they could have torpedoed their business. Quoted: Quoted: No one is going to get fired for complying with a warrant. This isn't hard to understand. No but they could have torpedoed their business. Liberty found themselves in a very shitty damned if you do damned if you don't kind of situation. There was no path to a happy outcome for them once word got out. |
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Quoted: Liberty found themselves in a very shitty damned if you do damned if you don't kind of situation. There was no path to a happy outcome for them once word got out. |
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Quoted: I bet the next time the Feds call a safe company they'll say "get a warrant" after Liberty gets raked over the coals. Quoted: Quoted: Not a warrant that named Liberty Safe, no. But this is easy to solve. Only buy a safe from a manufacturer that will agree in writing that they'll never cooperate with law enforcement. When you find one, I would say post about it here but this place also cooperates with law enforcement so I guess we'll have to pass notes from cell to cell. Not much help for Liberty but that would be a good outcome for everyone else. |
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Quoted: Yes. What's the point of buying a safe if the safe company gives out the combination? You think the defendant is sitting in jail happy that when he gets out of prison in 7 years his unbroken safe will be sitting in his ex girlfriend's new boyfriend's garage unbroken? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What some of you seem to be forgetting is that they had a warrant and wanted in the safe. They were not going to stop if Liberty said no. They would just have someone come in and destroy the safe. So you would rather they destroy the safe than get the combination? What's the point of buying a safe if the safe company gives out the combination? You think the defendant is sitting in jail happy that when he gets out of prison in 7 years his unbroken safe will be sitting in his ex girlfriend's new boyfriend's garage unbroken? Well hell, he should have just the burnt the entire house to the ground and left nothing when he knew they were coming for him. |
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Quoted: They should never have had the code to begin with, or the end user should be given clear instructions and recommendations to change it once installed. This^^^^ I've been thinking of replacing my digital lock with a S&G. This may have just sealed it. Granted, if the fedgov has a warrant they are getting in no matter what, but this situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth. |
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Quoted: Because an angle grinder won’t allow access into a cell phone. Not the type of access “they” want. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: People don't think warrants be like it is, but it do.  Because an angle grinder won’t allow access into a cell phone. Not the type of access “they” want. This is actually a good question and the answer above is an oversimplification. I would love for someone to give us a better legal answer... |
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Quoted: The cops say "don't make me get a warrant" all the time to suckers. Liberty could have said "no, sorry it's a violation of our company privacy policy to give out information without a warrant absent proof life is at risk (like someone is stuffed in a safe)" The cops would have just cut it open. They weren't going to do anything to Liberty about it, it's just a bluff what if the cops were British |
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Quoted: Liberty found themselves in a very shitty damned if you do damned if you don't kind of situation. There was no path to a happy outcome for them once word got out. Not have a back door in the first place Or Tell the feds to be pound sand post it up on their social media and completely sell out of safes in a week with all the people supporting their decision Seems pretty easy |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Is Liberty Safe the new Benchmade? (Page 2 of 21)
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