Quoted:
To quote a great president "There you go again"


Either I didn't make it plain (happens sometimes, not often, but once in a while), or you've lost your reading comprehension skills [;)]

But, you insist on leaving out the aspect of [b]faith[/b]  If you ain't got it, you won't understand it.  If God gives me faith to believe what it says in His word, I'll believe it.

I can only say that what I have witnessed in my life (short as it may be) and have observed in others lives, tells me that 1) there is a God, and 2) [i]that[/i] God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of the Old and New Testaments.


I see no problem with this - it is the same as someone leaning over your shoulder reminding you to add items to your grocery list - altho, God probably wasn't there in a physical form.



God does not 'cause' evil to happen, altho he might 'allow' it.  Yes, man, because of the fall in the garden (having to do with free will) has made a choice to be 'bad' - so in that sense you have it correct, that man is inherently 'bad' or evil.

As for Hagee, I don't know enough about the man to comment.


Where the heck did you com eup with some of that tripe?!?  Just because it comes up in a google search doesn't mean that it's the correct interpretation!  There are a lot of very strange groups out there that really interpret the bible in strange ways.  Sheesh!



I'm not sure where this quote is from, but if you actually check out a real Christian church, not some of those you've quoted from google, you will find that the church doesn not teach [b]subjugation[/b] of women, submission yes, but look at how it is actually formed...
 
Eph 5:21 "Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God."  
Eph 5:22 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord."
Eph 5:23 "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. "  
Eph 5:24 "Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing. "
Eph 5:25  "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;"

Now, let me ask you this - in that last verse, we are instructed as husbands to love our wives, as Christ loved the church - do you understand what that means?  You do understand that part about "gave himself for it" means that as husbands we should love our wives so completely and unconditionally that we would be willing to die for her?

Also there is this further on:
Eph 5:28 "So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. "
Eph 5:29 "For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:"

And even further:
Eph 5:33 "Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife [see] that she reverence [her] husband. "

Can you see that those who would turn the wife into a 'slave' have it wrong?  Would someone turn himself into a slave and beat himself?  If so, he would be out of line with Eph 5:29 and 5:33!

Now there are certainly people that have a warped sense of what love is, but we can discover that true, unconditional love is defined in 1 Cor 13 (which I won't quote here) and most (if not all) of what you have provided from the google search you did appears to not stand with the defenition found therin.

Now, all that we have discussed so far in this post simply is part of the discussion Christians have about 'how then shall we live?' - not 'how are we saved?', but again, you really have to watch who you are listening to/reading.  There are a lot of so called preachers, and denominations that have some doctrine that is not very sound.

This is why a Christion needs the Holy Spirit, for discernment (or to "try the spirits")
Jo 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
But one cannot try (test or discern) the spirits unless one has the Spirit of God.

Of course, you will probably fail to see the logic in any of this since you (for whatever reason) cannot accept the bible as even a reference book, apparently.

Edited because I can't speel and typ at the same tyme.

Just because it comes up in a google search doesn't mean that it's the correct interpretation!  There are a lot of very strange groups out there that really interpret the bible in strange ways.  Sheesh!