6. I have a brain and an education beyond high school

Companies like Intel get the benefits of American markets and capital.  



Then Intel pays off payoff American politicians, who provide:

- H1Bs that allow cheap foreign workers to be be hired and American workers to be fired.  

- "Free Trade" agreements (like the Trans-Pacific Partnership) that assists companies in relocating their operations to Vietnam and similar places.  



 

Your problem is that you're blaming companys for these issues, when the government is 100% to blame. The capital will flow based on the laws of economics. When government's make it uneconomical to operate in the US, business will either stop doing so or be trounced by competitors that stop doing so (or never did). Unless you have a monopoly, there are no real alternatives short of economic suicide. You want businesses / workers in the US? Have the gov stop getting in the way and increasing costs. There shouldn't be any corporate taxes. None. We pay them as consumers anyway. They're also shouldn't be a federal level EPA. Tort reform would help quite a bit too. Separate health insurance from employment completely, with employers offering, if they choose, a no strings attached "health care $" benefit instead, that could be compared apples to apples and be used on any kind of insurance or medical procedure. Right now we waste a shit ton of money and company man power on being health insurance providers. Complete waste of time.

Your exit tax will fail in every way imaginable and many that aren't. I can't think of a better way to eliminate big business in America. It would never work. You can already move billions with the click of a mouse. Your new tax would move all the companies HQs and leadership overseas faster than anything Intel is doing. I don't mean that company x would move, I mean they would be replaced by company y that is foreign to begin with.

I agree that we have crappy trade deals, but your simplistic approach isn't the answer. Sure, if Japan tarrifs the hell out of us made cars, then it's fair to traffic theirs coming here. Here's the problem, most trade items between most countries aren't a 2 way street. Simple example: Nicaragua makes lots of bananas (I don't know if they do or not, doesn't matter) with cheap labor but didn't make a car than any American would import. If they tariff the hell out of our cars from coming in and all those potential sales go to, say, the Koreans, how would increasing the us tariff on cars we import from Nicaragua deter anything? There's no market there. Cranking up the tariff on bananas, though, would make bananas from other countries cheaper, hurting Nicaraguas exports and, perhaps, encouraging them to open up markets to our stuff.

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Please, stop with your logic. Blaming corporations and raising taxes makes you a patriot and a true conservative. Wanting to lower taxes makes you a shill of the corporatist fat cat 1%

Education has zero to do with the validity of an argument - is Obama right all the time because he has a JD?

That's nice. Maybe address my arguments before throwing out ad hominems and accusing me of being a corporate shill?

That's the bottom line right there.

They aren't "American" jobs, they're Intel's fucking jobs.  

If the numbers you are quoting are correct why is America bleeding jobs like a guy that got a mag dump in his chest? I think they are doing it because is cheaper to hire 4 guys making 25 bucks a day to replace one American making 250 bucks a day - no amount of deregulation will fix this. Unless the vast majority of the working population in the US wants to live like people in India or China the ONLY option is government making the importing of workers and the exporting of jobs less attractive.

Because you can live pretty fucking comfortably in the US these days just sitting on the couch smoking dope and voting for Democrats.  The "vast majority of the working population in the US" needs to learn how to do something those 4 Chinese (or whatever) guys can't or won't do.  If they don't, that isn't my fucking problem.

The fact that they spent money lobbying the government to get more H1B workers expressly to fire American workers and replace them with lower paid foreigners while still maintaining the same corporate footprint on American soil gives lie to your rosy & collegial view of the interaction between government, corporatations, and citizenry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_hour_worked

If you look at productivity by GDP produced per hour worked, only 2 countries outrank the U.S., Norway and Luxemborg. Besides Japan, Malaysia is the highest Asian country ranked at 16.47 GDP/hr. So if we were hiring Malaysian workers to replace an American worker we would need 67.32 / 16.47 = 4.08 Malaysians.

The average monthly wage, in dollars, for a Malaysian is $961.00 per month. So 4 Malaysians would cost roughly $3,844.00 per month or $46,128.00 per year. The average monthly salary in the U.S. is $3,263.00 or $39,156.00 per year. So Malaysians are actually more expensive. And this doesn't even take into account shitty 3rd world infrastructure or shipping our product across the Pacific Ocean.

So, like I said, Americans are vastly more productive and worth more in terms of productivity. The problems start when you look at what has to be paid in taxes by the corporation to employ the American worker. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, state income taxes, and the list goes on and on. Then throw in the huge accounting departments it takes to calculate all of that shit. Then pile on the federal corporate income tax.

Americans aren't the problem. H1Bs aren't the problem, merely a symptom. The fuckwads taxing us into oblivion are the problem.

Corporations and government are the problem.

Ted Cruz approves of these lay offs.

The government is causing the problem that corporations have to deal with. The only way to deal with it is to screw us.

Some corporations are buying the government out.

Lol, who is going to stop Intel? Companies do that all the time and I have never seen one so much get a fine out of it.

They will just do what Disney did.

Have you ever looked at job vacancies in the tech field?
Entry level programmer wanted.
Needs 10 years C++, Python, VHDL,M#,Assembly language
Must have 5 years experience with Industrial design software that you can only have access to if you've already been working in this industry for 5 years.


Oh, poor us, We can't find an American to do this work. Better give us more H1Bs.

It's harder to fire someone than lay them off. In theory layoffs are a cost saving strategy when companies encounter lean times. Philosophically they are similar to a furlough, with the tacit understanding that the employee will be welcomed back if business improves.  There are rules regarding how many people can be laid off, notice, refilling the position, etc.

Firing someone for cause requires more documentation and is more difficult. It is usually reserved for incompetence, neglect, poor conduct. It takes a good bit of effort to document the cause and stay out of court, tho' I've never seen a case where a fired employee contested the firing. I have seen evidence that unions will intervene.

From the employee's point of view, a layoff is fairly benign and is readily accepted as a reason for termination in a job interview.  Being laid off allows for unemployment benefits.

Being fired for cause is much less desirable, do not pass go, do not collect unemployment, and leaves a small stain on the resume. Best avoided.  

Quitting a job doesn't qualify for unemployment, either.

In practice, the lines are blurred. The Intel case was obviously a layoff. However, each department manager used the opportunity to shed poor performers or expensive older workers from the ranks.

Can you still apply for unemployment when fired vs being laid off?

Intel market is under massive pressure now that the mobile market has taken off and intel doens't support that for the most part. They hung their hat on atmo processors and nobody wanted them.  Mobile now is hevily invested in ARM processors which is not what intel makes it's money on. The margin is low on ARM processors, but companies are making a billion plus a year.



They're going to wind up like NEC did at one point. Left in the dust.

You can apply for unemployment at any time. You're less likely (my understanding is, you won't) to get it if you're fired, or you have a job.