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Posted: 2/11/2017 2:34:50 AM EDT
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Ok kind of figured. Ag won't stay afloat without imported labor or expensive mechanization passed onto the consumer. You should house some of the illegals with you. Then come time for the next election you can take them to the poles to vote for your Democrat party. You're probably already well trained by your party on how to do this. Commie. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 2:38:14 AM EDT
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Sure. Eventually. Do you want to be the first employer they work for? I actually did hire a guy straight out of the slammer once..turned out to be one of my best employees years ago...regardless, I understand what you mean..but at some point in time Trump is going to try and help low income people..we either weed thru them as a society and teach them to be decent self supporting citizens, put them in jail, or continue as we are now...paying huge taxes to support the worthless..I think self supporting decent citizens is the better answer.. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 2:43:21 AM EDT
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@EricTrump Really needs to find a way of informing GD about these things first.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 2:47:14 AM EDT
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You should house some of the illegals with you. Then come time for the next election you can take them to the poles to vote for your Democrat party. You're probably already well trained by your party on how to do this. Commie. Facts are commie? 
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Posted: 2/11/2017 2:52:24 AM EDT
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Stealing a citizens ID is a felony... So is Murder. Ink on paper, never saved anyone's life. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 9:56:02 AM EDT
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So is Murder. Ink on paper, never saved anyone's life. So you think they are just stealing SS#s to work? Wait till you find out someone is using your SS# to get benefits. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:00:17 AM EDT
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I'm in LE. Approximately 3 years ago, I had an already-registered sex offender, refugee feller attempt to take a 14 year old girl into his vehicle while she was trying to walk home. Once this pillar of the community was apprehended, I contacted ICE because the guy had some federal issues going on too. Home country was Sierra Leone. When I asked ICE Man if they had any interest in this friendly citizen, as I believed he qualified for deportation. ICE Man laughed, literally. He said, "I wish, but..." Then proceeded to inform me that refugees who are from a number of countries (mainly those Northwestern African countries) are here on what is essentially political asylum, and thus, they could NOT be deported. Curious if this policy has or will be changed? Trump gonna' Trump foos!!! Yeah, fuck that shit. We absolutely DO NOT have to tolerate "refugees" preying on our citizens and committing crimes. Kick their asses out. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:30:16 AM EDT
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I'm in LE. Approximately 3 years ago, I had an already-registered sex offender, refugee feller attempt to take a 14 year old girl into his vehicle while she was trying to walk home. Once this pillar of the community was apprehended, I contacted ICE because the guy had some federal issues going on too. Home country was Sierra Leone. When I asked ICE Man if they had any interest in this friendly citizen, as I believed he qualified for deportation. ICE Man laughed, literally. He said, "I wish, but..." Then proceeded to inform me that refugees who are from a number of countries (mainly those Northwestern African countries) are here on what is essentially political asylum, and thus, they could NOT be deported. Curious if this policy has or will be changed? Trump gonna' Trump foos!!! ICE sup. man here. This will hopefully change soon. Under the Obama admin. and Jeh's Civil Immigration Enforcement Priorities, this sex offender had to have a new CONVICTiON before we could even lodge a detainer. Did I mention morale was absolute shit! If a country will not take their people back, we are regulated by a myriad of high court rulings on these jackasses, habeous corpus, punitive detention, etc... US DOS, under new mgmt., could change this issue quickly. Stop issuing new visas until you take your gems back. Quid pro quo. The courts have said we are not GITMO and that we have to release these non-removable gems to the street unless we can PROVE they are a present danger to someone's life. We do. We have a lot of people in custody that will never see daylight in the US again. Several violent Laotian pedofiles in ICE ERO custody in Gadsden, AL. come to mind. ICE ERO currently has nearly 43000 + or - detained and is congressionaly budgeted for 34000. 10 pounds of shit in a 5 gallon bucket. Please pass on to your co-workers and other agencies to reach back out to ICE ERO and HSI again. Things have changed substantially for Immigration Enforcement for ICE in the last two weeks. There's a new Sheriff in town and he has directed his deputies to go out and kick ass and take names. 
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:36:30 AM EDT
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Ok kind of figured. Ag won't stay afloat without imported labor or expensive mechanization passed onto the consumer. Why is it that so few people understand that if ag labor is needed we can implement a work visa program, background check them, and make them pay taxes? No illegal immigrant labor =/= no immigrant labor. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:40:04 AM EDT
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Well, lucky for this country, we all know how wrong nevertrumpers are, so most likely, Trump will redo it along with everything else....that's the problem with always being wrong...no one believes anything you opinion... Trump has yet to get a congress to do anything and his one big promise repeal Obamacare has already stalled in Congress. Sorry by welfare cuts will take an act of Congress too. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:41:34 AM EDT
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You mean people may have to pay their workers a real wage? The horror. They won't though. Automation is cheaper than what Americans think they are entitled to, to do brainless manual labor. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:41:38 AM EDT
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There is a big push to use robots but we are a year away. Customers hoping they dont lose everything before then. If they get raided its probably game over. One of them ws raided in 2012ish, lost 80 guys and very nearly went bankrupt. They were the most stable one around. The others cant take that hit. Im a little worried ill lose my job but it has to be done. Im saving in preparation for moving and being out of work. Too bad the scum bag employer didn't go under. Serves them right. Deliberately employing illegals is un-American. If there is a pattern of employing illegals the govt. should seize the company and auction everything off. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:42:26 AM EDT
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LOL except "lazy fucks" will not get those jobs.....machines will.... |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:47:03 AM EDT
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Ok kind of figured. Ag won't stay afloat without imported labor or expensive mechanization passed onto the consumer. No green card then no hire should be the only option. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:50:53 AM EDT
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Why is it that so few people understand that if ag labor is needed we can implement a work visa program, background check them, and make them pay taxes? No illegal immigrant labor =/= no immigrant labor. Bush #2 tried that....never went anywhere due to provincial thinking people. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:52:59 AM EDT
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When I take my elderly brother to his VA appointments we drive through a very "Festive" area of gov subsidized and Sec 8 housing. Not unusual to see 50-100 out and about in this 2 mile stretch. Took him to the VA this Tues and the place was pretty much deserted. So yes something is definitely going on here.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:54:01 AM EDT
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Too bad the scum bag employer didn't go under. Serves them right. Deliberately employing illegals is un-American. If there is a pattern of employing illegals the govt. should seize the company and auction everything off. US consumer demands that the products they offer are so cheap that illegal labor is needed to make the businesses stay afloat at those price ranges. Don't blame the business for the demands of every US consumer. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:55:05 AM EDT
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Green and SS cards are easily faked. E verify and employer sanctions coupled with no welfare bene's to illegals will get the ball rolling quicker than anything else in my estimation.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:55:14 AM EDT
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Someone's gotta build and maintain robots Imported machines maintained by college educated technicians specialized in robotics. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:01:49 AM EDT
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They will go up a lotta-bit and I doubt you will get US consumer to agree that price increases for basic food items is a good thing. Immigrant slave labor has been here since this country has been founded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I worked ag when I was younger. Picked cherries among other things. These companies have become far too dependent on immigrant slave labor. It'll be painful and prices will go up a little bit but in the end it'll be worth it. They will go up a lotta-bit and I doubt you will get US consumer to agree that price increases for basic food items is a good thing. Immigrant slave labor has been here since this country has been founded. You are already paying higher prices through taxes that support these illegals with free healthcare, school for their illegal kids, WIC, welfare, food stamps for the anchor babies. The price will only be shifted to ALL CONSUMERS instead of just those of us that actually pay taxes. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:06:53 AM EDT
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You are already paying higher prices through taxes that support these illegals with free healthcare, school for their illegal kids, WIC, welfare, food stamps for the anchor babies. The price will only be shifted to ALL CONSUMERS instead of just those of us that actually pay taxes. Sounds like the solution is what I been proposing all along......cut all welfare benefits to illegals and leave it at that. The rest is all beneficial to the economy. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:12:40 AM EDT
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Sounds like the solution is what I been proposing all along......cut all welfare benefits to illegals and leave it at that. The rest is all beneficial to the economy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are already paying higher prices through taxes that support these illegals with free healthcare, school for their illegal kids, WIC, welfare, food stamps for the anchor babies. The price will only be shifted to ALL CONSUMERS instead of just those of us that actually pay taxes. Sounds like the solution is what I been proposing all along......cut all welfare benefits to illegals and leave it at that. The rest is all beneficial to the economy. I'm all for cutting benefits to illegals but you have to cut the benefits to their anchor babies too or they will keep on coming. Cut the benefits, arrest and fine employers, the illegals will self deport. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:14:30 AM EDT
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I dont think that was far off until trump. Our sheriff was a family friend and he said deportation was essentially impossible. Now things seem to be changing. I hear they visited several of my customers today with the local sheriff but i cant confirm yet. Most of the africans are a few counties away so im not as familiar with them other than my rentals. Bullshit impossible. Difficult, a lot of work maybe, but not impossible. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:14:48 AM EDT
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You should house some of the illegals with you. Then come time for the next election you can take them to the poles to vote for your Democrat party. You're probably already well trained by your party on how to do this. Commie. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok kind of figured. Ag won't stay afloat without imported labor or expensive mechanization passed onto the consumer. You should house some of the illegals with you. Then come time for the next election you can take them to the poles to vote for your Democrat party. You're probably already well trained by your party on how to do this. Commie. Reading comprehension fail. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:17:45 AM EDT
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There is a big push to use robots but we are a year away. Customers hoping they dont lose everything before then. If they get raided its probably game over. One of them ws raided in 2012ish, lost 80 guys and very nearly went bankrupt. They were the most stable one around. The others cant take that hit. Im a little worried ill lose my job but it has to be done. Im saving in preparation for moving and being out of work. I keep hearing about stupid games and stupid prizes. I wonder if that applies here. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:18:23 AM EDT
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I'm all for cutting benefits to illegals but you have to cut the benefits to their anchor babies too or they will keep on coming. Cut the benefits, arrest and fine employers, the illegals will self deport. I don't believe anchor babies are entitlement to any benefits, it's always the parent that claims the benefits with the child being the "qualifier". If parent is an illegal, they would NOT be eligible for any benefits if illegal status auto bans you. Now once that anchor baby reaches adulthood, they are entiteled to receive welfare....whatever it might be at that time....as they are naturally born US citizen (unless 14th amendment is changed) |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:19:46 AM EDT
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Robots are the new goldrush in the dairy business. The big 2 companies that make all the equipment have been masturbating for years about this day. It took off a few years ago on the east coast bc white people won't milk cows for 15 or 20 an hour. The cost of living is too high. For most it was either robots or sell the herd. Not saying that is bad though. Red or Blue? |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:22:01 AM EDT
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Illegal activity = criminal. They're all criminals. Now, if by criminal you mean a person that is a danger to society, why the fuck does it take an EO for LE to do their jobs? Government is a clusterfuck.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:22:38 AM EDT
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No green card then no hire should be the only option. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok kind of figured. Ag won't stay afloat without imported labor or expensive mechanization passed onto the consumer. No green card then no hire should be the only option. You don't think a temporary visa program might be appropriate? Even if you completely cut off welfare there will be people that refuse to work/follow migrant labor type jobs around the various growing regions. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 12:42:53 PM EDT
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They will go up a lotta-bit and I doubt you will get US consumer to agree that price increases for basic food items is a good thing. Immigrant slave labor has been here since this country has been founded. Price may not go much much at all. When they went to mechanical tomato pickers the price of tomatos didn't go up. But even if prices go up it is worth it. Each child an illegal has costs the taxpayers $300,000 to age 18. That includes the cost of k-12 education, free day care, wic, food stamps, section 8 housing, Medicare, ER room visits, etc. Simply isn't worth it go get some strawberries picked. Where I live property taxes on a 3 BR house are as much as $12,000. Why? Because the school system deals with one third of the students being ESOL. They require two to three times as much resources as other students, and they pull down the performance of the rest of the school. Why are we keeping out computer scientists from France and doctors from Israel, people who would make our country stronger and richer while letting in low wage, low IQ, low productivity, high dependency peasants? |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 1:02:42 PM EDT
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Price may not go much much at all. When they went to mechanical tomato pickers the price of tomatos didn't go up. But even if prices go up it is worth it. Each child an illegal has costs the taxpayers $300,000 to age 18. That includes the cost of k-12 education, free day care, wic, food stamps, section 8 housing, Medicare, ER room visits, etc. Simply isn't worth it go get some strawberries picked. Where I live property taxes on a 3 BR house are as much as $12,000. Why? Because the school system deals with one third of the students being ESOL. They require two to three times as much resources as other students, and they pull down the performance of the rest of the school. Why are we keeping out computer scientists from France and doctors from Israel, people who would make our country stronger and richer while letting in low wage, low IQ, low productivity, high dependency peasants? Prices for tomatoes did go up, because if you want the same quality of tomato as pre-GMO tomato for mechanized harvesting, you have to pay considerably more of the "picked on vine" varienty. The GMO that made the Roma tomato able to handle mechanization also rendered them tasteless. So you get a shit product now for the same price. I grown my own now to get a REAL tomato. The each illegal child costing $300,000 to a tax payer is categorically BS statistic. Total lie. It's even more that the cost estimate of raising a kid 0-18 by middle class family (currently at ~$235k)..... How much you pay in property taxes has NOTHING to do with illegals in school system and EVERYTHING to do with demand for housing in that locality. Not to mention illegals by very definition live in low cost location....not where housing costs $500k with $12k taxes... We are not currently keeping out computer scientists from France and doctors from Israel. The H1B visa programs have been growing until Trump got into office. He wants to crack down on H1B visas so blame him. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 1:11:54 PM EDT
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Robots are the new goldrush in the dairy business. The big 2 companies that make all the equipment have been masturbating for years about this day. It took off a few years ago on the east coast bc white people won't milk cows for 15 or 20 an hour. The cost of living is too high. For most it was either robots or sell the herd. Not saying that is bad though. Company names? Or stock symbols? 
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Posted: 2/11/2017 1:25:44 PM EDT
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You mean people may have to pay their workers a real wage? The horror. He's ok with women being underpaid, as long as they are picking his lettuce. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 1:33:27 PM EDT
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I worked ag when I was younger. Picked cherries among other things. These companies have become far too dependent on immigrant slave labor. It'll be painful and prices will go up a little bit but in the end it'll be worth it. for the left and many here, this is like trying to divide by zero, when in reality it is as simple as 1+1=2 |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 1:39:46 PM EDT
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Ok kind of figured. Ag won't stay afloat without imported labor or expensive mechanization passed onto the consumer. VS expensive illegal alien associated health care, education, and incarceration.... I'll take it. 
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Posted: 2/11/2017 2:48:27 PM EDT
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VS expensive illegal alien associated health care, education, and incarceration.... I'll take it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok kind of figured. Ag won't stay afloat without imported labor or expensive mechanization passed onto the consumer. VS expensive illegal alien associated health care, education, and incarceration.... I'll take it. Can you post a credible cite/code/law that defines "imported labor" as "illegal immigrants" ? |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 4:02:44 PM EDT
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It's Happening! ANNANDALE, VA (WUSA9) - Agents from the US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Agency arrested an unknown number of people at a large apartment complex in Annandale, and at at least one other location in Alexandria this week, immigration activists say, as part of what appears to be stepped up enforcement actions around the country.
At the predominantly Spanish-speaking Fairmont Gardens apartment complex in Annandale, several people said they saw a large law enforcement presence earlier in the week. None wanted to be quoted or have their names used. One man turned and walked quickly away at a reporter’s mention of the very word “immigration.” Immigration activists said ICE agents targeted people at the complex who already had orders of deportation, but also made so-called “collateral” arrests of other people who merely lacked proper documentation, but had committed no other crime. Gents, this line right here is the REAL news: "Immigration activists said ICE agents targeted people at the complex who already had orders of deportation, but also made so-called “collateral” arrests of other people who merely lacked proper documentation, but had committed no other crime." For a decade, that was not allowed. If you were even allowed to go after an illegal (big if), you were not allowed to bring back anyone else except the target. In most cases, you weren't even allowed to question anyone else as to their immigration status. That line right there tells me that ICE has been let off the leash. This is VERY good news. Go get 'em, boys! |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 4:24:01 PM EDT
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Viva la deportacion!  
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Posted: 2/11/2017 4:42:45 PM EDT
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Ok kind of figured. Ag won't stay afloat without imported labor or expensive mechanization passed onto the consumer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My customers are ag. We are ag mechanical so we deal with skilled labor so we draw from a little better pool. Ok kind of figured. Ag won't stay afloat without imported labor or expensive mechanization passed onto the consumer. That is horseshit in Kansas the ag isn't picking fruit or vegetables it is running equipment or feeding cattle. I grew up in the farming/ranching industry and full time hired hands are pretty common. Large local family farm(around 5000 acres) low balled their grandsons with 10 bucks an hour and both went to work for another local guy for 15 an hour. That is good money in rural KS. I am assuming OP is in SW Kansas where they like illegals for the feed lots and meat packers because they are cheaper than US labor. They can afford to pay higher but they hire illegals cause they can. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 4:48:07 PM EDT
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The lucky ones will be deported and won't be around to witness the wheels fall off here. A Turd World Nation is more resilient than a first world nation with its multitude of spoiled special snowflakes.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 5:17:41 PM EDT
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That is horseshit in Kansas the ag isn't picking fruit or vegetables it is running equipment or feeding cattle. I grew up in the farming/ranching industry and full time hired hands are pretty common. Large local family farm(around 5000 acres) low balled their grandsons with 10 bucks an hour and both went to work for another local guy for 15 an hour. That is good money in rural KS. I am assuming OP is in SW Kansas where they like illegals for the feed lots and meat packers because they are cheaper than US labor. They can afford to pay higher but they hire illegals cause they can. You really think meat packers of all people run 60% economic profits @ $10/hr that they could increase their costs by 50% when paying $15/hr and still turn profit charging the same price for their finished product?
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Posted: 2/11/2017 6:24:26 PM EDT
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Well, lucky for this country, we all know how wrong nevertrumpers are, so most likely, Trump will redo it along with everything else....that's the problem with always being wrong...no one believes anything you opinion... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/404934/image-144405.JPG Well that's another one that badly needs a Brazzers logo. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 6:27:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2017 7:12:18 PM EDT
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Why is it that so few people understand that if ag labor is needed we can implement a work visa program, background check them, and make them pay taxes? No illegal immigrant labor =/= no immigrant labor. Shhh, you don't want to disrupt pgaclueless narrative. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 7:57:03 PM EDT
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Red or Blue? If you mean the big two, im blue. The competition is green/orange. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 7:59:12 PM EDT
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Green and SS cards are easily faked. E verify and employer sanctions coupled with no welfare bene's to illegals will get the ball rolling quicker than anything else in my estimation. The wall is the most idiotic bullshit ever. Everify. Employer sanctions. Deportation. Problem solved. No reason for them to come here. They will be more desperate to leave this country than they were to leave Mexico. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 8:01:12 PM EDT
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Why is it that so few people understand that if ag labor is needed we can implement a work visa program, background check them, and make them pay taxes? No illegal immigrant labor =/= no immigrant labor. I never understood why the gov gave up this huge tax revenue stream all of these years. Its massive. What is that, 10 or 20 billion a year on the low end. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 8:01:19 PM EDT
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Found out immigration visited one of my customers today. Sounds like they were mostly looking for criminals, they had a list of names. My customer was prepared and had already talked to his lawyer. They locked down the buildings and no one went outside. They still had people working that were related to the criminals they were looking for so they pulled them out and gave them the info requested. Current location etc. Things about to get interesting. They showed them id requested but no one left the building and immigration didnt come in. Am I the only one who got a freedom boner from reading this? |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 8:05:14 PM EDT
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The wall is the most idiotic bullshit ever. Everify. Employer sanctions. Deportation. Problem solved. No reason for them to come here. They will be more desperate to leave this country than they were to leave Mexico. How is that going to work when a democrat gets back in office and stops all of it with one Executive Order? We need a wall because a democrat will take office again and will again shutdown all immigration enforcement leaving us right back where we are right now. At least with a wall it will slow down the border jumpers. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 8:10:35 PM EDT
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I'm in LE. Approximately 3 years ago, I had an already-registered sex offender, refugee feller attempt to take a 14 year old girl into his vehicle while she was trying to walk home. Once this pillar of the community was apprehended, I contacted ICE because the guy had some federal issues going on too. Home country was Sierra Leone. When I asked ICE Man if they had any interest in this friendly citizen, as I believed he qualified for deportation. ICE Man laughed, literally. He said, "I wish, but..." Then proceeded to inform me that refugees who are from a number of countries (mainly those Northwestern African countries) are here on what is essentially political asylum, and thus, they could NOT be deported. Curious if this policy has or will be changed? Trump gonna' Trump foos!!! He didn't need deporting - he needed to be thrown into a pen of starving hogs. 
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