What caused the gun battle? You don't give enough of the background to even guess.

Even in California there are plenty of justifiable reasons for killing - including just plain 'ole self defence.

Quoted: Quoted: Look at how many armed citzens showed up for the Hollywood Bank shootout ! I would agree that some trigger happy moron cop would shoot ya dead if you should up all ninja'd out ready to ( help )play ! That's because it went down in California. Smae thing in Texas, those two morons would have been riddled with bullets from scoped bolt actions and ARs from every direction.

Yes, there are many many many movies shot in California. In fact out of the last 1000 times full auto gun fire was heard in the streets of HOLLYWOOD it has been due to a movie. Now wouldn't you look so much like a silly goose if you had shot at the first 999 guys with the guns

Even the cops thought it was a movie set ... but then that's a fact that doesn't fit in does it. There did happen to be a gun store just around the corner and the owner issued the cops AR15's and boxes of ammo to counter attack. But it happened in California so that doesn't fit in either?

How about naming me just ONE other time in the last 30 years where full automatic weapons were fired on the streets of any state and it was in the commission of a crime? I've head many times that a legally registered FA weapon has only been used once in the comission of a crime when some police office shot his old lady with one.

I live in California and would gladdy shoot at someone shooting at the cops for them with any one of my various rifles - the Remington 700 in .308 would be my first choice as the nearest bank from me is over a mile away.

i would eat pork ribs between shots and single-load each round with my greasy fingers.

The odds would be really bad against any terrorist group as they has to be 30-40 thousand retired military members in my city of 150,000. Say it was a rolling gun battle with several dozen well armed terrorist with body armor and AK's and the like. The "thin blue line" would be over whelmed as there's only a dozen or so cops on duty at a time, they'd call in off duty and the SWAT types but that would take time to organize. The local base has both Marine and Air Force security forces. Due to the nature of the Marines their response time with one of their armored vechicals would be pretty quick. They're always manned up 7-24 just outside their armory and vechical storage place about four miles away from where I live. As they're on the opposite side of the valley from me they'd actually be able to see and hear the firefight going on from their watch towers.

I have more than enough AR's to man up every family on my block who I can trust - the retired Lt.Col next door, the major across the street, the corrections officer and retired MSgt across and the other corrections officer two doors down and the local sheriff two doors down on my side of the street. Toss them an AR, a dozen loaded magazine, a few bandoleers, a radio to set up comms with and let the ass kicking begin. Shooting from concealment a defended position can hold off many times their number. Depending on how the terrorist were organized it might be best to hold a defensive position until the Marines arrived from across the valley (doesn't that sound so nice).

Assuming that the terrorist group was on the local expressway which is 800 yards away or the retail area this side of it 800 to 650 yards away sniping with a Remington 700 in .308 would be effective - even the .308 starts to run out of steam at those ranges - the .223 wouldn't be suitable in my opinion. From my rooftop I have laser ranged many of the land marks pre-registering the bullet drop at that range. On the top of my ham radio mast I have a high resolution IR IR sensitive camera which I can use to see quite a good distance with. It's kept pointed at the nearest expressway off ramp where that strip mall is - the most likey approach point. Using GRMS radios it would be easy to coordiant a containment on a group to large to support a meeting encounter. Two to one is the normal strenght to start an attack with but with our superior training and the element of surpise we might be able to turn the numbers in our favor pretty quickly.

Quoted: Would the ACLU get special helmets like the UN? I can see it now....decent people defending the homeland, and the ACLU running around in APC's taking video so that they can defend the criminals later.

Ask Imbrigilo

Quoted: We get intel bulletins all the time about these scumbags buying or stealing police and military style uniforms.

+1

I take briefings with the local, state, and federal (including the Secret Service) police as well as the military security and intel groups and there are several well documented cases of uniforms being bought or stolen both police and military. Raidos, badges, and web gear have also been disappearing at a rate that alarms. A typical recent case is a cop who got off duty and went to a local gym to work out. He entered in uniform and locked everything his his locker which was later broken into. They just didn't steal his wallet (cops don't get paid enough ) they took his complete uniform shoes and all. As his was the only locker broken into they susspect that they were looking for the uniform.

Be aware, be very aware!

Truth be known you are lucky for not being shot at the range for having a gun in your hand.

Highly recommend you lay down your arms and take cover as soon as the LEOs show up.  After they all get themselves killed, then you can pick up your gun and resume firing.

Tj

Quoted: TomJefferson: During the initial opening moments of the take-over at the school, I think the news media said 2 policeman were killed, and subsequently 2 SF guys got killed also.

Sorry bud but I miss your point................my post may have been a tad flippant but still valid.  In any conflict there needs to be a clear who's in charge and here in the US it will be our LEOs.  It's not a good idea to have them second guessing who is who and who is on what side.  If they motion for your help, then open up otherwise best to let them have at it with no distractions.

Tj

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: TomJefferson: During the initial opening moments of the take-over at the school, I think the news media said 2 policeman were killed, and subsequently 2 SF guys got killed also. Sorry bud but I miss your point................my post may have been a tad flippant but still valid.  In any conflict there needs to be a clear who's in charge and here in the US it will be our LEOs.  It's not a good idea to have them second guessing who is who and who is on what side.  If they motion for your help, then open up otherwise best to let them have at it with no distractions. Tj Why do you continue to assume that the LEOs will have control over the situation?  Certainly was NOT the case in Belsen.  Lacking both firepower and man power to deal with terrorists like this, in this number, there would be no sort of control till the Army or National Guard arrived.  Except MAYBE in NYC, Chicago, or LA, only they have enough cops in a small enough area and the assistance of built up geography.   Most other jurisdictions would NOT have those luxuries.

LOL, never assumed that but do know I don't want to be standing in front of patrolman bubba with a gun in my hand when he first shows up on a scene.  That's a formula for getting your ass shot or having to shoot bubba.

Tj

Ah you forget you live in the most gun friendly state in the US.

It's worse the farther north you go.  There, in places, no one is suppose to have a gun.

Tj

Remember, folks, that at the time of the Los Angeles Riots following the 'Rodney King' verdict, the L.A.P.D., one of the most well-equipped police forces in the country, basically...stood down.

At least in the areas of the most serious fighting and looting!

Eric The(Historical)Hun