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I'm not so sure that the S&W M&P 2.0 wouldn't get a large chunk of those contracts. It is an excellent pistol and probably the 2nd most sought after striker fired pistol after the Glock. I guess once a person has fired so many different handguns, and put thousands of rounds down range in various handguns, the Glock really isn't any better than anything else out there. Glock does have a less expensive product, a stellar marketing system (and the ability to undercut competitors enough to be in the red and still make money. Think of the Walmart business model), and the millions of fanbois who would just as soon as grind up old Glock frames to put on their eggs in the morning as they would to toss them in the trash. It has obtained "legendary" status, no question. The new age 1911. Sig was closing in fast with the 320... but man did they tank fast, they literally shot themselves in the foot. Anyways... I don't own any more 320's or Glocks, I'm a M&P 2.0 Compact guy and I've kept my 229 Elite... |
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Quoted: The only company that does that is H&K. Edit: Unless you're talking about sub compact fitting onto a compact frame, then that's all companies that make guns or lights. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, Glock says they are changing due to listening to end users. No trigger pull, Red Dot ready, and a trigger guard undercut. They come out 2026 in 9mm. 40 cal will be following. No more 45 GAP or 357 Sig. I bet they still have their stupid ass proprietary light rail though. The only company that does that is H&K. Edit: Unless you're talking about sub compact fitting onto a compact frame, then that's all companies that make guns or lights. HiPoint did. Think they're standard Picatinny now. |
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Quoted: Glock seems like a no brainer. I agree with the Penguin. The FCG concept seems pointless for agency use. It is a solution in search of a problem. There is a lot of talk about increasing America's manufacturing base. Yet our military small arm contracts go European based companies. There is a logic error there. I wouldn't mind seeing S&W, a US based company, getting contracts for the M&P. In my mind the fundamental 320 problem is tolerance stacking due to bad QC. That leads to the question of the rifles. The development process leading up to the M7 seems to be just as messed up as the that of the M18. At first you would think Colt would be logical answer for service rifles. Colt hasn't had an original thought in my lifetime. What other American based company has the capacity to arm the US military with quality service rifles? LMT? Now that Ruger has purchased Anderson, maybe Ruger will have the capacity? Sig is now pretty much a 100% American company. There is a small part in Switzerland, but Sig Sauer in Germany is kaput. |
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Quoted: I'd love a RxM with a thumb safety, since I'm one of the oddballs who prefer manual safeties on my carry guns It's also nice for a gun that might be turned into a PDW with a FCU chassis, since safeties become rather important if you have a gun bouncing around on a sling. I prefer a thumb safety as well. Its intuitive to thumb it down as you draw the pistol. |
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Quoted: They seem to have improved on the Glock in just about every way. And they offer it with a manual safety. Does the M&P need the trigger pulled to be taken down? I haven't ever owned one, and haven't shot one in many years. No. You lock the slide back, there is a yellow lever you can use something to push down, that deactivates the sear so you can disassemble without a trigger pull. |
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Quoted: G17 and G19 Gen 5 with coyote frames and the FDE PVD slides. The G19X is too proprietary. M&P as a runner up. The only troublesome bit with the 19X is the front overhang/lip since it interferes with the usage of Gen5 magazines. That’s it. The G45 is the in-between that doesn’t have the lip, so you could do the coyote frame/slide and it would be in the sweet spot. I’d love your idea too though. 
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Disturbing. This is how screwed SIG is. I'm up at the supper club and see and join some friends I sort of know who kick open a chair and say join for dinner and drinks. One mentions "Hey, I hear you are a gun-guy, I'm thinking of getting a new every-day-carry pistol, but don't really know the topic that well. Aside from stay the Hell away from Sig and all their problems. What do you think I should look at?" Wow. |
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Quoted: How many people in the military have a use for swapping the fire control group around? Some small number of police or commando types might occasionally be in plainclothes? Do they really need something smaller than a Glock 19? If so how many smaller Glock 26 would they really need to buy? The swappable trigger control group looked cool, I bought an early 320, but was it necessary? This. It was a stupid requirement. Both the Beretta and the Glock were designs with long histories (decades) by which their performance and safety could be judged. But in their infinite wisdom the trial evaluators picked a newer designed (10? years in developement) product that met the spec and was cheaper but was less well tested/understood and it's unsafe. So here we are. |
| FNX .45 Tactical is somehow still underrated despite its age. My buddy and I quietly agreed with each other that we liked shooting it better than our Staccatos. He is a 320 fanboy but goes through extreme customization with them to get them how he likes. He has won multiple local competitions with them. |
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Quoted: FNX .45 Tactical is somehow still underrated despite its age. My buddy and I quietly agreed with each other that we liked shooting it better than our Staccatos. He is a 320 fanboy but goes through extreme customization with them to get them how he likes. He has won multiple local competitions with them. Our Airman's wife just won $400,000 with her husband's pistol. |
 USAF stops use of the M18/P320 until further notice (Sergeant killed on duty) |
 Holstered Sig M18 Kills Airman NCO - Airforce Bans Sig P320 |
 The Wire - July 22, 2025 |
 USAF pauses use of M18 |
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Quoted: Yes http://cdn-fastly.thefirearmblog.com/media/2024/05/16/14207737/breaking-new-glock-19-mhs-9mm-glock-23-mhs-40-s-w-photos.jpg?size=720x845&nocrop=1http://cdn-fastly.thefirearmblog.com/media/2024/05/16/14207734/breaking-new-glock-19-mhs-9mm-glock-23-mhs-40-s-w-photos.jpg?size=720x845&nocrop=1 Quoted: Quoted: Did the MHS Glock 19X have an ambidextrous manual safety? http://cdn-fastly.thefirearmblog.com/media/2024/05/16/14207737/breaking-new-glock-19-mhs-9mm-glock-23-mhs-40-s-w-photos.jpg?size=720x845&nocrop=1http://cdn-fastly.thefirearmblog.com/media/2024/05/16/14207734/breaking-new-glock-19-mhs-9mm-glock-23-mhs-40-s-w-photos.jpg?size=720x845&nocrop=1 Glock should copy what SAR did for the SAR 9 with regards to its safety design.   No gap in the frame, and you could put in a pin in its place if you wanted to remove it. The ambi side of the safety also doesn't look like dogshit. |
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Quoted: P365 fuse with safety. One for one swap. They already have this model -- only available in their Sig Off-Duty program. Quoted: I think Glock recently sold a thumb safety model to German cops. It also doesn't require the trigger to be pulled for disassembly. I think Glock also sold a different thumb safety model to the Israelis. No trigger pull? New? I heard they had lost some contracts in Europe because of the no trigger pull so I assumed we'd see it in Gen 6, but if that is a few years off, perhaps they are introducing as needed like a MS? --------- On manual safeties in the military, maybe someone knows for sure, but I understood the primary reason for a manual safety was, unlike civilians or even LEOs, soldiers are more likely to go prone, belly crawl, etc. where debris (pebble, etc.) could get in a holster and induce a trigger pull. True? Or what is the primary reason? |
 Holstered SIG P320 M18 Kills Air Force Sergeant “Allegedly” ?? |
 BREAKING NEWS - US Air Force suspends use of the M18 Sidearm |
 Did A P320 Just Kill A USAF Airman? |