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Posted: 5/1/2015 12:35:50 AM EDT
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.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm. Yes, in terms of case and bullet diameter. 
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Posted: 5/1/2015 12:35:56 AM EDT
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because there is only one man in the room professional enough to handle a glock fotay... BOOM!
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Posted: 5/1/2015 12:36:58 AM EDT
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All the raving about 6 round 9mm made me appreciate my .357 mag. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ten round mag limits really helped .40 and totally revitalized .45. I would bet my Sig P290RS is smaller and more concealable than your revolver.  For going to the range, .357 is probably my favorite handgun round.
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Posted: 5/1/2015 12:38:25 AM EDT
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All three (9, 40, and 45) suck at their jobs. There is very little real world difference between the three. Just pick one (or all) and go with it. There's no goddamn reason to min-max or over analyze every little fucking thing. So, beans or no beans in your chili? 
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Posted: 5/1/2015 12:40:55 AM EDT
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.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm. Analogy fail. .40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum. Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Wheel gun ammo, lol! Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Do you even anything besides pressure assignment, bro? Chamber pressure is far from all there is to a cartridge. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 12:43:40 AM EDT
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When the Winchester Black Talon came along,..that set the stage to end the need for the .40 S&W. Prior to that, the 9mm loading a of the day, and even after the advent of the BT, Simply could not be counted on to expand and adequately penetrate enough. The .40 did, and gave a higher mag capacity than the .45 did, and also smaller handguns. With I improvements in bullet technology, the is not much difference in terminal performance between the big 3 rounds, so why not have the gun with most capacity, less recoil, etc.? Me...I love the .40. I've got 5 of them...I also love my VP9, and my 1911 in .45. I would not feel underfunded with any of them and modern defensive ammunition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know GD hates .40 and 9mm is SOOOOO much better but why was the .40 so popular by police and civilian for so long in the 90's and early 00's. How could we have all been so retarded when the 9mm was the obvious choice all along? Prior to that, the 9mm loading a of the day, and even after the advent of the BT, Simply could not be counted on to expand and adequately penetrate enough. The .40 did, and gave a higher mag capacity than the .45 did, and also smaller handguns. With I improvements in bullet technology, the is not much difference in terminal performance between the big 3 rounds, so why not have the gun with most capacity, less recoil, etc.? Me...I love the .40. I've got 5 of them...I also love my VP9, and my 1911 in .45. I would not feel underfunded with any of them and modern defensive ammunition. 
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Posted: 5/1/2015 12:45:35 AM EDT
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I sold a 9mm glock and bought a 40 glock when the during our 9mm lean times. I almost got new price on the 9mm and could find 40 ammo all day long when the shelves were barren or 9 and 45.
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Posted: 5/1/2015 12:48:00 AM EDT
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Well.. I guess my .02 might as well get thrown in...
The last 20 years or so have seen a revolution in manufacturing technology. A truly dynamic shift in all aspects. Anyone with a couple mill on hand to invest in modern Mills, Lathes, 3D printing, etc.. can do anything that the old big name gun manufacturers can do with the same quality or better. Look at all the small start up companies since the 90's that have taken market share from the big guys. The only area the smaller guys get crushed is volume and risk to take it to the next level and get positioned for contract sales. The same thing happened in the ammo market. Back when .40 was introduced the old school mentality was still lingering. Ball ammo is the most reliable and diameter and weight determine stopping ability. Believe it or not up until the late 80's that is how most folks thought. IMO..The Winchester Silvertip was the single most consistently reliable hollow point at that time. Hydroshocks became popular a bit later. Then the FBI, Miami Bank robber Shootout happened. The hunt was on. Need more rounds than 45 can carry but want more energy delivered on target than 9mm. 10mm proved to much for average LEO and the .40 became the answer. More rounds and 20% more energy than 9mm. Now days most well known hollow points function just as well as ball ammo. The reliability factor went up as did terminal bullet performance. Better engineering of bullet construction and newer powders have brought it up to the point where you can get a 9mm to almost run neck and neck with .40 on the energy delivered to target scale. Now after all that bullshit. The short answer is: People finally realized that no common practical handgun bullets generate enough energy to absolutely guarantee a one shot stop. So I might as well carry 9mm. Cheep abundant ammo, less recoil. wide choice of firearms.....I still carry a .40.... 
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Posted: 5/1/2015 1:20:07 AM EDT
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.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm. Analogy fail. .40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum. Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Wheel gun ammo, lol! your dismissal of 357mag45LC & 44spc rounds is misguided learn to shoot then get a man's gun. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 1:47:57 AM EDT
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your dismissal of 357mag45LC & 44spc rounds is misguided learn to shoot then get a man's gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm. Analogy fail. .40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum. Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Wheel gun ammo, lol! your dismissal of 357mag45LC & 44spc rounds is misguided learn to shoot then get a man's gun. I'm going to dismiss revolver ammunition right along with swingline staples, macaroni and cheese and ICBMs when we are talking about magazine fed pistol ammunition. There are some great cartridges in their own right but it is an apples and oil filters comparison IMO. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 1:52:41 AM EDT
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9=40=45. Shoot until the threat is gone or until you have gotten to your rifle.
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Posted: 5/1/2015 2:02:55 AM EDT
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The 40 sucks because most guys don't like the snappy recoil of the short and weak round.
It may be snappy because it is short... but it sure ain't weak. It pushes a heavier slug at the same velocities that a 9 pushes a light pill. Now with that out of the way let us turn our attention to the fact that no hand gun that can be easily carried and concealed is the ultimate stopper. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 2:03:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2015 2:13:37 AM EDT
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9MM and .40 are for the young bulls that run down the hill and fuck a cow.
.45 is for the wise bulls that walk down the hill and fuck all the cows. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 2:31:12 AM EDT
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GD long ago agreed that the 9mm is a girl's cartridge, the 45 is a man's round. Therefore, the 40cal being neither here nor there, is a metro-sexual, bisexual round for wanna be transsexuals. Enjoy your balls across the nose, 40cal cock fags! I'm afraid I'll have to agree with this response solely because it contains the most conclusive scientific data to back up its position. Science. Ain't it a bitch |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 2:49:28 AM EDT
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Do you even anything besides pressure assignment, bro? Chamber pressure is far from all there is to a cartridge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm. Analogy fail. .40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum. Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Wheel gun ammo, lol! Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Do you even anything besides pressure assignment, bro? Chamber pressure is far from all there is to a cartridge. It is also far from nothing. The .380 runs at a very low pressure assignment, resulting in inadequate velocity and an inability to drive heavier bullets in it's caliber. It is not even close to a fair comparison. Factory 10mm (yeah yeah, I know you ALL hand load) is virtually identical to factory .40 S&W in every way, except case length which, in and of itself DOES mean nothing. The only advantage to 10mm over .40 S&W is the ability to drive bullets to a longer effective range or to run 200gr bullets. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 2:50:47 AM EDT
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I'm going to dismiss revolver ammunition right along with swingline staples, macaroni and cheese and ICBMs when we are talking about magazine fed pistol ammunition. There are some great cartridges in their own right but it is an apples and oil filters comparison IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm. Analogy fail. .40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum. Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Wheel gun ammo, lol! your dismissal of 357mag45LC & 44spc rounds is misguided learn to shoot then get a man's gun. I'm going to dismiss revolver ammunition right along with swingline staples, macaroni and cheese and ICBMs when we are talking about magazine fed pistol ammunition. There are some great cartridges in their own right but it is an apples and oil filters comparison IMO. Substitute .38 Super +P then, for a more like comparison. It doesn't change the fact that .380 has no place at the table, compared to the other three. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:02:22 AM EDT
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I'm a whore. I love them all. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:09:49 AM EDT
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Wheel gun ammo, lol! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm. Analogy fail. .40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum. Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Wheel gun ammo, lol! Coonan Arms Semi-Auto .357mag pistol. 
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:11:16 AM EDT
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GD long ago agreed that the 9mm is a girl's cartridge, the 45 is a man's round. Therefore, the 40cal being neither here nor there, is a metro-sexual, bisexual round for wanna be transsexuals. Enjoy your balls across the nose, 40cal cock fags!  https://youtu.be/Il7nZkYEr4MWhat in the actual fuck?! 
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:14:34 AM EDT
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Factory 10mm (yeah yeah, I know you ALL hand load) is virtually identical to factory .40 S&W in every way, except case length which, in and of itself DOES mean nothing. The only advantage to 10mm over .40 S&W is the ability to drive bullets to a longer effective range or to run 200gr bullets. That depends upon which factory your buying them from bro. There are several manufacturers who load them to proper spec and they trounce the .40SW |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:19:35 AM EDT
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Coonan Arms Semi-Auto .357mag pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm. Analogy fail. .40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum. Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Wheel gun ammo, lol! Coonan Arms Semi-Auto .357mag pistol. See also, Desert Eagle. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:20:10 AM EDT
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That depends upon which factory your buying them from bro. There are several manufacturers who load them to proper spec and they trounce the .40SW Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Factory 10mm (yeah yeah, I know you ALL hand load) is virtually identical to factory .40 S&W in every way, except case length which, in and of itself DOES mean nothing. The only advantage to 10mm over .40 S&W is the ability to drive bullets to a longer effective range or to run 200gr bullets. That depends upon which factory your buying them from bro. There are several manufacturers who load them to proper spec and they trounce the .40SW Double Tap, Buffalo Bore, and? ETA: Trounce by what metric? A higher velocity does not necessarily equate to better street performance. Do they penetrate more optimally than the already optimal .40 S&W? Or, do they offer more optimal controlled expansion within the optimal penetration window? 10mm is a round born for hunting. That is where it's peculiar advantages shine. As a combat pistol round, there is no measurable upside to counteract the size and recoil penalty. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:34:59 AM EDT
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It is also far from nothing. The .380 runs at a very low pressure assignment, resulting in inadequate velocity and an inability to drive heavier bullets in it's caliber. It is not even close to a fair comparison. Factory 10mm (yeah yeah, I know you ALL hand load) is virtually identical to factory .40 S&W in every way, except case length which, in and of itself DOES mean nothing. The only advantage to 10mm over .40 S&W is the ability to drive bullets to a longer effective range or to run 200gr bullets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Analogy fail. .40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum. Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Wheel gun ammo, lol! Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Do you even anything besides pressure assignment, bro? Chamber pressure is far from all there is to a cartridge. It is also far from nothing. The .380 runs at a very low pressure assignment, resulting in inadequate velocity and an inability to drive heavier bullets in it's caliber. It is not even close to a fair comparison. Factory 10mm (yeah yeah, I know you ALL hand load) is virtually identical to factory .40 S&W in every way, except case length which, in and of itself DOES mean nothing. The only advantage to 10mm over .40 S&W is the ability to drive bullets to a longer effective range or to run 200gr bullets. The 10mm case is longer than .40 S&W for a reason. Same reason as 9mm is longer than .380 ACP. Same reasons you stated right in your post there. The only difference is that some factory 10mm is downloaded to "FBI" specs (aka .40 S&W). |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:40:11 AM EDT
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The 10mm case is longer than .40 S&W for a reason. Same reason as 9mm is longer than .380 ACP. Same reasons you stated right in your post there. The only difference is that some factory 10mm is downloaded to "FBI" specs (aka .40 S&W). You will never know how wrong you are until you open a reloading manual. The .380 is not in the same class as 9mm, .40S&W, or 10mm. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:44:33 AM EDT
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You will never know how wrong you are until you open a reloading manual. The .380 is not in the same class as 9mm, .40S&W, or 10mm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 10mm case is longer than .40 S&W for a reason. Same reason as 9mm is longer than .380 ACP. Same reasons you stated right in your post there. The only difference is that some factory 10mm is downloaded to "FBI" specs (aka .40 S&W). You will never know how wrong you are until you open a reloading manual. The .380 is not in the same class as 9mm, .40S&W, or 10mm. You have still completely missed the point. .380ACP is 9mm short. .40S&W is 10mm short. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:47:03 AM EDT
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Double Tap, Buffalo Bore, and? You seem confused? Those are factory options last I checked and you did make a blanket statement that factory ammo is downloaded. While you are correct that most is, not all. You can also add BlackHills to the full power 10mm list as well. ETA: Trounce by what metric? A higher velocity does not necessarily equate to better street performance. Do they penetrate more optimally than the already optimal .40 S&W? Yes, and 40SW isn't exactly optimal Or, do they offer more optimal controlled expansion within the optimal penetration window? More reliable expansion due to the higher velocity. 10mm is a round born for hunting. That is where it's peculiar advantages shine. It shines equally as a defensive round as well. As a combat pistol round, there is no measurable upside to counteract the size and recoil penalty The recoil isn't bad at all and the increased penetration and more reliable expansion due to the higher velocity is a plus. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Factory 10mm (yeah yeah, I know you ALL hand load) is virtually identical to factory .40 S&W in every way, except case length which, in and of itself DOES mean nothing. The only advantage to 10mm over .40 S&W is the ability to drive bullets to a longer effective range or to run 200gr bullets. That depends upon which factory your buying them from bro. There are several manufacturers who load them to proper spec and they trounce the .40SW Double Tap, Buffalo Bore, and? You seem confused? Those are factory options last I checked and you did make a blanket statement that factory ammo is downloaded. While you are correct that most is, not all. You can also add BlackHills to the full power 10mm list as well. ETA: Trounce by what metric? A higher velocity does not necessarily equate to better street performance. Do they penetrate more optimally than the already optimal .40 S&W? Yes, and 40SW isn't exactly optimal Or, do they offer more optimal controlled expansion within the optimal penetration window? More reliable expansion due to the higher velocity. 10mm is a round born for hunting. That is where it's peculiar advantages shine. It shines equally as a defensive round as well. As a combat pistol round, there is no measurable upside to counteract the size and recoil penalty The recoil isn't bad at all and the increased penetration and more reliable expansion due to the higher velocity is a plus. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:48:02 AM EDT
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You have still completely missed the point. .380ACP is 9mm short. .40S&W is 10mm short. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 10mm case is longer than .40 S&W for a reason. Same reason as 9mm is longer than .380 ACP. Same reasons you stated right in your post there. The only difference is that some factory 10mm is downloaded to "FBI" specs (aka .40 S&W). You will never know how wrong you are until you open a reloading manual. The .380 is not in the same class as 9mm, .40S&W, or 10mm. You have still completely missed the point. .380ACP is 9mm short. .40S&W is 10mm short. 100% correct, I don't know what exactly he's trying to dispute with you. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:48:19 AM EDT
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You have still completely missed the point. .380ACP is 9mm short. .40S&W is 10mm short. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 10mm case is longer than .40 S&W for a reason. Same reason as 9mm is longer than .380 ACP. Same reasons you stated right in your post there. The only difference is that some factory 10mm is downloaded to "FBI" specs (aka .40 S&W). You will never know how wrong you are until you open a reloading manual. The .380 is not in the same class as 9mm, .40S&W, or 10mm. You have still completely missed the point. .380ACP is 9mm short. .40S&W is 10mm short. I understand your point perfectly. Your point is irrelevant to what I am saying. .380 is not in the same class as modern service pistol rounds. Your comparison is unfair and pejorative. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:54:43 AM EDT
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The 10mm case is longer than .40 S&W for a reason. Same reason as 9mm is longer than .380 ACP. Same reasons you stated right in your post there. The only difference is that some factory 10mm is downloaded to "FBI" specs (aka .40 S&W). You will never know how wrong you are until you open a reloading manual. The .380 is not in the same class as 9mm, .40S&W, or 10mm. You have still completely missed the point. .380ACP is 9mm short. .40S&W is 10mm short. 100% correct, I don't know what exactly he's trying to dispute with you. .380 = Max Pressure of 21,500 PSI and must use lighter bullets than those typical for 9mm 9mm = Max Pressure of 35,000 PSI .40 S&W = Max Pressure of 35,000 PSI and runs the EXACT same bullets as 10mm 10mm = Max Pressure of 37,500 PSI (to which it is seldom loaded from the factory) and uses the EXACT same bullets as .40 S&W One of these rounds is remarkably different from it's counterpart. Another is very close. Can you guess which is which? |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:57:58 AM EDT
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I understand your point perfectly. Your point is irrelevant to what I am saying. .380 is not in the same class as modern service pistol rounds. Your comparison is unfair and pejorative. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 10mm case is longer than .40 S&W for a reason. Same reason as 9mm is longer than .380 ACP. Same reasons you stated right in your post there. The only difference is that some factory 10mm is downloaded to "FBI" specs (aka .40 S&W). You will never know how wrong you are until you open a reloading manual. The .380 is not in the same class as 9mm, .40S&W, or 10mm. You have still completely missed the point. .380ACP is 9mm short. .40S&W is 10mm short. I understand your point perfectly. Your point is irrelevant to what I am saying. .380 is not in the same class as modern service pistol rounds. Your comparison is unfair and pejorative. There is nothing unfair or pejorative about facts, as far as I can tell. Besides, .380 ACP is more modern than 9mm Luger. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 4:01:37 AM EDT
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There is nothing unfair or pejorative about facts, as far as I can tell. Besides, .380 ACP is more modern than 9mm Luger. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 10mm case is longer than .40 S&W for a reason. Same reason as 9mm is longer than .380 ACP. Same reasons you stated right in your post there. The only difference is that some factory 10mm is downloaded to "FBI" specs (aka .40 S&W). You will never know how wrong you are until you open a reloading manual. The .380 is not in the same class as 9mm, .40S&W, or 10mm. You have still completely missed the point. .380ACP is 9mm short. .40S&W is 10mm short. I understand your point perfectly. Your point is irrelevant to what I am saying. .380 is not in the same class as modern service pistol rounds. Your comparison is unfair and pejorative. There is nothing unfair or pejorative about facts, as far as I can tell. Besides, .380 ACP is more modern than 9mm Luger. Modern Service Pistol. Use the whole term, if you please. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 4:04:19 AM EDT
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.380 = Max Pressure of 21,500 PSI and must use lighter bullets than those typical for 9mm 9mm = Max Pressure of 35,000 PSI .40 S&W = Max Pressure of 35,000 PSI and runs the EXACT same bullets as 10mm 10mm = Max Pressure of 37,500 PSI (to which it is seldom loaded from the factory) and uses the EXACT same bullets as .40 S&W One of these rounds is remarkably different from it's counterpart. Another is very close. Can you guess which is which? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 10mm case is longer than .40 S&W for a reason. Same reason as 9mm is longer than .380 ACP. Same reasons you stated right in your post there. The only difference is that some factory 10mm is downloaded to "FBI" specs (aka .40 S&W). You will never know how wrong you are until you open a reloading manual. The .380 is not in the same class as 9mm, .40S&W, or 10mm. You have still completely missed the point. .380ACP is 9mm short. .40S&W is 10mm short. 100% correct, I don't know what exactly he's trying to dispute with you. .380 = Max Pressure of 21,500 PSI and must use lighter bullets than those typical for 9mm 9mm = Max Pressure of 35,000 PSI .40 S&W = Max Pressure of 35,000 PSI and runs the EXACT same bullets as 10mm 10mm = Max Pressure of 37,500 PSI (to which it is seldom loaded from the factory) and uses the EXACT same bullets as .40 S&W One of these rounds is remarkably different from it's counterpart. Another is very close. Can you guess which is which? Can you link me to the 220 grain .40 S&W ammo? I want it to run 1200 FPS average out of a 4.6" barrel please. I'll wait. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 4:14:24 AM EDT
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get all calibers.
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Posted: 5/1/2015 4:23:15 AM EDT
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It's no coincidence that Zima was popular at the same exact time. 
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Posted: 5/1/2015 4:26:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2015 4:29:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: .40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm. Yes, in terms of case and bullet diameter. http://i.imgur.com/U3kEjRy.jpg |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 4:29:28 AM EDT
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I know GD hates .40 and 9mm is SOOOOO much better but why was the .40 so popular by police and civilian for so long in the 90's and early 00's. How could we have all been so retarded when the 9mm was the obvious choice all along? You're obviously an idiot. I have never seen the sentiment here that 9mm is SOOOOOO much better. Only that in modern loads, .40 has pretty much no advantage over 9mm. Back in the times you were talking about, before there were defensive loads in 9mm like there are today, .40 DID have an advantage. If you don't understand this, to back to the first 4 words of my response. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 4:33:34 AM EDT
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.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm. Thats what I heard...then again my wife says I have selective hearing. YMMV 
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Posted: 5/1/2015 4:41:54 AM EDT
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Do you even anything besides pressure assignment, bro? Chamber pressure is far from all there is to a cartridge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm. Analogy fail. .40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum. Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Wheel gun ammo, lol! Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Do you even anything besides pressure assignment, bro? Chamber pressure is far from all there is to a cartridge. 
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Posted: 5/1/2015 9:03:31 AM EDT
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Analogy fail. .40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum. Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Wheel gun ammo, lol! Do you even pressure assignment, bro? Do you even anything besides pressure assignment, bro? Chamber pressure is far from all there is to a cartridge. http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/504/955/7fe.gif lol |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 9:10:10 AM EDT
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I know GD hates .40 and 9mm is SOOOOO much better but why was the .40 so popular by police and civilian for so long in the 90's and early 00's. Because most people's understanding of terminal ballistics regards it as about the same thing as voodoo. How could we have all been so retarded when the 9mm was the obvious choice all along? ...because people fundamentally missed the most important lessons of the Miami firefight. There was a shitload of stuff that went wrong in that incident, but people got fixated on one bullet that in reality did pretty damn well for a handgun bullet and the next 20 years was spent arguing over .10" of bullet diameter as if it really mattered. Since then there have been a number of good solid bullets made for all the calibers...and America being the federalist laboratory of democracy that it is, a bunch of different police departments issued weapons in all the major service calibers and shot a bunch of people with all of them. And so now there's this huge data set and it's pretty clear that none of the handgun calibers commonly carried offer anything approaching the level of advantage people believe comes with bigger bullets. In looking at all those gunfights it has emerged that training matters a hell of a lot more, and that capacity is kind of a big deal, too. Then there's also the fact that people are getting tired of being stuck with guns that don't work for shit in .40 (Glocks, for instance). Throw all of that into a pot and stir...and VIOLA! 9mm transitions out the ying-yang. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 9:15:25 AM EDT
[#43]
My dept. doesn't allow 40 anymore for its police officers. Only 9 or 45.
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Posted: 5/1/2015 9:17:34 AM EDT
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Yep. If they'd had standard cap mags for USP compacts back when I bought mine, I'd have gotten 9x19. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ten round mag limits really helped .40 and totally revitalized .45. Yep. If they'd had standard cap mags for USP compacts back when I bought mine, I'd have gotten 9x19. Yep. The whole "if I can't carry more rounds, bigger is better" concept. The AWB was magical for revitalizing the 1911 platform IMHO. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 9:29:11 AM EDT
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Yep. The whole "if I can't carry more rounds, bigger is better" concept. The AWB was magical for revitalizing the 1911 platform IMHO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ten round mag limits really helped .40 and totally revitalized .45. Yep. If they'd had standard cap mags for USP compacts back when I bought mine, I'd have gotten 9x19. Yep. The whole "if I can't carry more rounds, bigger is better" concept. The AWB was magical for revitalizing the 1911 platform IMHO. Ultimately I'll go with this. If I only get 10 rounds, I might as well get a 40. I think the FBI and popo going 40 was part of this, but the mag limit was a bigger driver. 8 round revolvers never would have come about without the mag ban. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 9:34:54 AM EDT
[#46]
In before the JackBootedThug from Miami.
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Posted: 5/1/2015 9:42:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 40 was adopted before Gold Dot and HST I wish Speer and Federal would make loadings in .40 for those designs. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 9:46:40 AM EDT
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Ive been thinking about getting the hl1 for my g20 (gen 3 sf). You know of any holsters that work well for that setup (open carry hip right handed)?
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Posted: 5/1/2015 9:51:05 AM EDT
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The 40 S&W is 10mm Quote HistoryQuoted:
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10mm is best mm...... It's not 10mm Auto... It's for the short and weak members of the FBI. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 9:53:25 AM EDT
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The reason you bought into it is the same reason you started this thread. You don't pay attention. If you had paid attention, you would've seen that this has been discussed more than once. Heck, if you had done a search or had some common sense, you would've known.
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