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Posted: 10/8/2007 9:57:22 AM EDT
[#1]
drove from Dallas to San Diego last week.
pretty much all the way across the SW on Interstates 20,10 and 8..is well on its way.. I more than once had to stop and think if i was on the right side of the border... especilly when I came throught the BP check points... in my own freaking country I am now being asked for my papers... never would I have believed even 20 years ago I would here that in the USA what did I fight and bleed for against communisium our govt is just giving the freaking country away.. we, you the youth of America... your country is toast yhour sovigntry is toast your freedoms are toast. sorry, did my best in war, in voting in speaking out... no one listend [V 
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Posted: 10/8/2007 10:04:19 AM EDT
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Thank you for your service. I was gonna write more, but dang.... something keeps getting in my eye. You wrote... so much truth. Thank you. Just: Thank you.  [I'm a gal. I can kissy-icon] |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 10:04:19 AM EDT
[#3]
 You lost me at corporate big business. 96Ag |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 10:09:29 AM EDT
[#4]
Yep. America is nowhere near a "third world shithole."
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Posted: 10/8/2007 10:13:34 AM EDT
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Those causes are PEOPLE. This isn't about deterioriation of resources, but a deterioration of PEOPLE -- of values and character. Besides that, what in tarnation are you smoking? At least pass the bong around man, so we can all get Comfortably Numb. 
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Posted: 10/8/2007 10:21:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2007 10:21:46 AM EDT
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azmjs is truly off his rocker
waaaaay out there "oh everything is just great in the world...lalalalallala" Where the hell is he from anyway? EDIT: He's from CHINA... why is he commenting on the U.S. like he lives here or knows anything? |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 10:23:24 AM EDT
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Tell me honestly. Have you ever been out of the country? Where to? |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 10:32:17 AM EDT
[#9]
since ur in IL i can only assume. seriously no offence meant, but that place is a first class shit hole. however it wasn't always like that, the change started in the 60's - um wonder why
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Posted: 10/8/2007 10:40:26 AM EDT
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wont matter after 2012..
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:06:29 AM EDT
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I've lived in the 3rd world.
I know what it looks like,I know what it smells like, I know the looks in the eyes of the people who live in it. It is starting to show up here. We are not becoming the 3rd world, we are importing it, and supporting it's cancerous growth by our inability or unwillingness to see it and do something about it. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:29:27 AM EDT
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I don't know that America will ever be a "Third World Shithole". (Doubt it.)
However... there are already A LOT of places where you stop, look around and say, "Where the fuck am I? Did I cross a border or something? Is this even America anymore?" The number and size of places like this will only grow as time goes on. Things may eventually get better... but only after they get a lot worse. I think we're in for a bit of a bumpy ride in the next 20 or 30 years. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:32:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:45:57 AM EDT
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So is the government supposed to do something about illegal immigration? Or not? I'm confused. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:49:33 AM EDT
[#15]
the poll results simply reveal that many respondents have never been to a third world country.
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:49:42 AM EDT
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Well, if we can keep liberal New England country club Republicans like Bush out of office we may have a fighting chance. A huge poor of starving poor for people like that means cheap servants. They really can't relate to people of modest means and they have profound contempt for people from anyplace outside of some small parts of New England. They see normal, conservative Americans as the enemy (as Bush does), not liberal Democrats (like Teddy Kennedy, who Bush has a huge amount in common with).
So, the more the Internet lets people make informed choices, the more we can keep people like that out. And the more we can retain what America used to be. Or Texas can just check out of the Union and we can deport GW back to Greenwich where he belongs. That would be fine with me too. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:52:12 AM EDT
[#17]
Never if we repeal the 1965 Immigration Act.
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:53:15 AM EDT
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Wait for the 2 million home foreclosures forecasted between now and the end of 2009. Then we can re evaluate our economy and make an assessment.
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:53:40 AM EDT
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Do you have any idea how big the patriot act is genius? There are MANY measures that were bundled up into the thing. No way in hell you have read the entire thing. There are plenty of measures in the patriot act that are completely acceptable, and even good. There are a few that are blatently un-American and wrong. Everyone here already knows that you are a facist, so I am not going to bother arguing with you. I just wanted to point out how ridiculous your statement was, when I know for a fact there is no way in hell you sat down and reviewed the entire unPatriot act. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:00:16 PM EDT
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Its a regional problem. Some areas are already third world shit holes. Detroit, Flint and parts of LA.
some have been i the past but have improved. Appalacia. Some will go that way in the future. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:00:32 PM EDT
[#21]
When I think about the government "doing something" about illegal immigration, I'm usually thinking about useful things, like controlling the border, fining businesses that hire illegals, stuff like that. Not setting up roadblocks miles from the border and randomly hassling American citizens. But hey, nothing quiets down the rubes like a little dog and pony show. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:01:57 PM EDT
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I've read every word of the Patriot Act. Have you? Please point out which specific sections of the Patriot Act you find objectionable. Since you are an obvious expert, you should be able to post your reply in a matter of minutes. Tick-tock...
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:04:37 PM EDT
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Are you? Really? I'm not dm99. He's offline right now. And he sounds like a who has served our country nobly and well. Read what he wrote. Read it out loud. Pause between the sentences. His words are wise. Maybe his composition was not in the most perfect format. Maybe he just wrote from the heart. But his words are wise. He fought well. He served under fire. And now he watches our nation lose its soveriegnty. Not because he did not give his all. He did. Not because many other like him did not give their all -- they did. But are nation is being given away out from us -- and it is the youth of our nation which inherits the whirlwind -- the third world status. I dearly hope your question was not a flippant or sarcastic one. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:08:49 PM EDT
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There is a huge gap between "give up our freedoms" and "third world shithole".
We are probably 10+ years before a collapse of our constitutional Republic, even under the worse case scenarios, and probably another 30 years to slide in to a 3rd world state, assuming there even IS a first world nation at the time... |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:09:57 PM EDT
[#25]
Harry Reid killed the Patriot Act. He said so himself! |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:10:14 PM EDT
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It must suck to go overseas and risk your life for your country, only to come back and find the politicians giving the game away, right here at home.
(I only own Page 4 because a vet won it for me!  )
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:15:50 PM EDT
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Parts of it, though, are becoming identical to the Third World shithole the residents came from. And even Third World shitholes have some very nice areas. So, when we look around and see that things aren't "as bad" here as there, that doesn't mean it isn't happening. This country is doomed. We were given a trust by our Founding Fathers, and we've miserably failed to keep it. We're running on inertia now. As long as the decline isn't immediately visible from day to day, most people won't notice it at all, like the frog in the saucepan that is being slowly heated. But it is impossible to make an argument that the US is always going to be 'the greatest country on Earth" while we're on the path that we're on. Maybe we will always be better than most of the rest of the world, so, comparatively speaking, we're the "best". But we've already given up so much, and we continue to give away more with each passing year. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:17:50 PM EDT
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I'm thankful for his service and believe his words are sincere, but none of the emotional "all is lost" tirades that have been dominating Arfcom have any basis in reality. I attempted to address this issue with his post. People say the country is doomed because of illegal immigration, then turn around and say we're doomed when the government tries to do something (however inconsequential in the big picture) about it. The economy is not going to collapse, American culture is not going to collapse. You can counter all you like with my optimistic view of our country, but in reality it is not optimistic but realistic. Far too often we look to the past with rose colored glasses. Name one point in time when America was better off as a country. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:19:40 PM EDT
[#29]
I will get back to you as soon as I hear who wins in 2008
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:19:50 PM EDT
[#30]
I agree!! Those things are happening all over at the state and local level. But nobody makes posts about that, so I addressed this. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:25:38 PM EDT
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The characteristics I associate with the third world:
1. Lack of interest in infrastructure investments because of a lack of feeling for co-ethnics outside of clan organizations. 2. Lack of interest in public welfare for the same reasons. 3. A social and economic system closed to movement, innovation, and promotion based on merit. 4. Greater feelings of commonality with other countries' elites than your own co-ethnics. I associate most of these things with liberal New England country club Republicans, actually, and I am happy that the US is large enough and rich enough so that these feelings can't dominate the whole country. Right now, they are sure trying (looking at the Kennedy/Bush amnesty, for instance), but that is coming to an end. In the end we will do OK. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:26:33 PM EDT
[#32]
20 years, tops. Probably less, and it'll happen bit by bit.
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:31:08 PM EDT
[#33]
Not reading all the replies so this is probably not the first post to say that it is already a third world shit hole in some places. About one quarter of the Houston metroplex is a third world shit hole.
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:48:57 PM EDT
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aww jeez... Where is the "not in my lifetime" option... "forgone conclusion" sheesh.. you guys want TEOTWAWKI so bad you're willing to believe anything just so long as one day your living like Mad Max/Omega Man/WOLVERINES! running around in BDUs amongst the ruin. I have a quastion for you guys: HOw many first-world nations(and most have problems mush worse than ours) have descending into third world status? New Zealand and Argentina are the closest I can come up with, Argentina took about 75 years and New Zealand is still one of the richer nations. Actually, ever since the US' inception our GDP-PPP relative to the world average just keeps rising and rising. We're at about 450% of the world average today. We were about 300% in 1900, 200% in 1850 and 150% in 1800. Even throughout the great depression and civil war the US has always remained in the top five in GDP/Capita. What you dont want to believe, is that is you take the sum of all out countrie's problems and compare with the sums of all the others you'd be hard pressed to find a country in a better position than the US. sure we have our problems, no country is perfect, but everyone who has bet against America in the past has eventually had their serving of humble pie. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:50:58 PM EDT
[#35]
Quit introducing facts and reason into a perfectly good emotion and fear mongering filled "going down the shit hole" thread! |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:53:04 PM EDT
[#36]
OMG, not that! you mean that will drop our standard of living more than 80%?(which would bring us to the world average) nevermind our living standards would have to drop by about tenfold to count us as a "third world" country (and that is in purchasing power parity as well...) hell, a massive 30% drop would only bring us to Western European levels which is the second most affluent area on earth after north america... sheesh, you guys are incredible... |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:54:24 PM EDT
[#37]
Fixed it for you. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:01:55 PM EDT
[#38]
I really dont think you guys understand how low "third world" really is, and how far we would have to fall... hell we are almost 50% higher than Europe and Japan and those are the next closest competitors!
US GDP-PPP/Capita: ~$44,000 EU: ~$30,500 Japan: ~$33,000 India: ~$3,400 China: ~$7,300 World Average: ~$10,000 |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:03:24 PM EDT
[#39]
Begone with your facts. This is GD!!! 
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:05:58 PM EDT
[#40]
2,000,000 divided by say 50 = hmmmm 40k Pretty "incredible" huh? 40k foreclosures per state.. Nah just a small blip or hiccup. Do you think this would give you the 30% drop your speaking about above? |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:12:09 PM EDT
[#41]
listen up
you're not a "third world shithole" until you're reliant upon the First World for virtually everything.... Third world does *not* mean "woe is me, there are more people here that have darker skin than I do!" |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:12:38 PM EDT
[#42]
Doom and gloom - doom and gloom.
There have been people predicting an end the Republic since it began. Life will go on. We will have our ups and downs - some people will have to live without the newest Ipods. But we will keep going. Even with the illegals - we will survive. They will eventually assimilate. We have always had pockets of immigrants and mass migrations. Remember when being Irish was a bad thing? The OP claims to be a 'realist'. But his argument seems more grounded in fantasy. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:20:49 PM EDT
[#43]
Also the fact that there are around 130,000,000 homes in America, 2/130 = about 1.6% of households! Ohhh, the pain! |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:22:40 PM EDT
[#44]
Parts of it already are that way. Some parts will never be.
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:27:18 PM EDT
[#45]
Concur. It's to everyones interest and success that American will remain intact. The majority will keep it that way for the betterment of the majority. We do need to get rid of bilinguilism though, that will only be a crutch to keep people from learning English. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:27:35 PM EDT
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Even the worst of the worst parts of the US are still loads ahead of a third world country. Homey in Camden NJ will have his Oldsmobile with 22" rims, two color TVs and an XBOX, Cell phone, running water & toilet, McDonalds, garbage service etc, etc. Nbaba (click) G'nabu living in Somolia will have none of that, live in a mud hut, will have many curable diseases, and sewage will be floating on the streets, hardly any food, and he'll be lucky if the local warlord doesnt massacre his village. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:42:46 PM EDT
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you have to realize that is occuring, not just here, but in every civilized country of the world, in varying degrees. for example, this past summer in an OKC newspaper article a doctor mused about him surviving a diease a poorer person did not. another example is there is a charity org for childern of appilician (sp) mountains, just like the ones for south american childern. i've been to places here (houses, towns, counties, etc.) that make my skin crawl... |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:44:42 PM EDT
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How long?! Shit, come on down to downtown Oxnard big boy. It already is.
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Posted: 10/8/2007 1:54:28 PM EDT
[#49]
...and those were, doubtless, the words heard on the streets of Rome during the Third Century AD. By the time symptoms of collapse are showing themselves, it's far, far too late to do anything about them. "American culture" absolutely is going to "collapse". Nothing lasts forever. Compare our "culture" today with the "culture" of 50 years ago... anyone who says that there hasn't been a decline is looking at the present and future through rose-colored glasses. As for our economy... please explain how an economy can thrive and grow when more and more of it is being sucked up by the government to be spent on various entitlement programs, and we can already project a point in time (within our lifetimes!) when the current trend will lead to not enough revenue to fund those entitlement programs, let alone service our astronomical debt or provide any of the functions of government? Burying your head in the sand and repeating "Everything is OK!" to yourself over and over doesn't stop reality. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 2:00:31 PM EDT
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As I said before, I doubt America will ever be a 3rd World country.
However, things could turn ugly if we're not careful. Within a few years, we're going to have a lot more old people in this country than ever before. They're going to be living longer than ever before and taking a lot of money out of the economy through Social Security. Where's the money for their benefits going to come from? The way things are going, Socialized Medicine is, IMHO, going to be a reality, sooner or later. Where's the money for that going to come from? Estimates on illegal immigration put the number of illegals in this country at somewhere between 12 and 38 million. That's A LOT of "anchor babies", American citizens all, who qualify for all sorts of public assistance. Where's the money for their benefits going to come from? How about these for alternate titles for a poll: "When Is The Tax Rate Going To Surpass 50%?" Or, "How Long Until The House of Cards We're Building Falls Down?" |
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