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I thought this was a thread about some new type of welding I hadn’t heard of.

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Blue: Because they're right.

Red: Experience and science says otherwise. Women are branch swingers. They may "be" with one man but their goal, driven by the entirety of human evolution, is not to settle with any one man but to look for the "best", the one who will provide the highest quality children, best chance of survival, etc. They "branch swing" from man to man in a continual attempt to upgrade. True loyalty from the female side of the equation is largely a fiction manufactured by modern society. Not only that, but multiple loyal mates means women have multiple providers, helping to ensure both her survival and the survival of her children. Biology precludes women from having a singular sense of loyalty.

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You are doing it wrong.  I have freedom and an awesome marriage.  I wouldn’t trade having a partner for life.

ETA: especially when that partner is as amazing as my wife.

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that is an astute observation.

this is evident in modern day dating patterns where females usually seek alpha-males. where 80-90% compete for the top 20-10%.

If you are average, you are below average.

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Blue: Because they're right.

Red: Experience and science says otherwise. Women are branch swingers. They may "be" with one man but their goal, driven by the entirety of human evolution, is not to settle with any one man but to look for the "best", the one who will provide the highest quality children, best chance of survival, etc. They "branch swing" from man to man in a continual attempt to upgrade. True loyalty from the female side of the equation is largely a fiction manufactured by modern society. Not only that, but multiple loyal mates means women have multiple providers, helping to ensure both her survival and the survival of her children. Biology precludes women from having a singular sense of loyalty.

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My biology must be fucked then because there isn't a thing in this world that could drag me away from my husband.  Literally-----everything good in my world starts and ends with him.  The idea of being with anyone else is absolutely repulsive.

I know not everyone is lucky enough to find someone who inspires that kind of *singular sense of loyalty* but that doesn't mean they (or their loyal partners) don't exist.

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If it weren't for being horny I'd never go through the insanity of modern dating.

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that is an astute observation.

this is evident in modern day dating patterns where females usually seek alpha-males. where 80-90% compete for the top 20-10%.

If you are average, you are below average.

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AND guys who have girls who want to hook up with them don't often stay content with the same one forever, no matter how much he loves or likes her, he still wants to fuck the other girls.

This is all a bad formula. The "beta"s are the ones who are happy to go to work every day and provide for their family. His wife wants to fuck the former convict "alpha" down the street. I know I am painting with very broad strokes but it is often true.

I heard that when the Beatles were incredibly popular and they visited the White House years ago, a bunch of wives of powerful men were hitting on them.

Sex bots are going to change everything for the bottom 80% of guys.

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Some of you guys have some pretty fucked up views.
Why the fuck would I let the subjectively fucked up experiences of anonymous internet posters influence my life choices?  
Those are the guys who are being referenced over and over here.
The guys who are in the majority are the ones who are perfectly content with their relationships. Why would they post ad-nauseum about it on the fucking internet?
A happy customer tells one person, an unhappy customer tells ten. That rule works here.
Also, although the math isn't the same, the 80/20 rule applies also.
Happily married here and do what I want. Would I get married again.....probably so.

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Who would have guessed that selfish tendencies make poor foundations for building meaningful relationships?

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What about all the "curse" threads where the woman chooses an ex-con or some other loser?

Not arguing, just my observation. In the real world women don't seem to be picky at all. 3 of my younger female coworkers support their jobless unskilled husbands. My BIL is supported by his wife. He managed to piss off everyone in town that might hire an unskilled HS dropout and has decided he has fibromyalgia and can't work. . So he just quit.

He feels good enough to go hunting or ride his motorcycle, just "can't work" . He's trying unsuccessfully to get disability. His wife had a scholarship to go to college but married a HS dropout instead. Their retirement plans consist of depending on an inheritance when her dad croaks.

In real life I see many more women with no standards at all as to who they will date or marry. There doesn't seem to be a lot of choices.

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I tried skimming through the thread and even checked out MGTOW website, but I just can not seem to get the gist of it.  Is it just guys that can't get pussy?

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I tried skimming through the thread and even checked out MGTOW website, but I just can not seem to get the gist of it.  Is it just guys that can't get pussy?

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Marriage today is one of the most dangerous activities a young man can engage in. More dangerous than drugs, alcohol and juggling running chainsaws.

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Lol, exactly the generalizations that shows what a joke the MGTOW movement is.

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I went through a custody fight that lasted for almost nine (9) years, yeah my nutjob ex was that insane.

Parental alienation, denial of contact, got me fired from 3 jobs and when I could not pay CS, as she expected, filed in court to put me in jail.

Eventually my posterity got tired of her courts, fights with multiple boyfriends, calling police and picked me as the primary parent.

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No it's not, it's a retarded generalization that only truly applies to a small number of the female population.

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I am a single father.. I have 100% primary custody, residential, and legal we split, but de facto, I make the key decisions.. and it took me almost a decade of warfare to get to that point.

I've had multiple false POs against me. I have been kicked out on the street at 11PM on a cold November night.  That's how it all began. I have been accused of everything one can come up with.

Kids rarely accept some court approved schedule, like 50/50 or 80/20 or whatever. They usually pick a winner and a loser and a winner in their eyes is the victim, not the aggressor.  It does not matter what the court says, the kids are mentally absent with that person.

My son sided with me because he saw how abusive NJ EX was. When a spouse begins warfare against his/her partner, he / she in fact begins a war against the kids, too. And the kids react by picking the side that's attacked, that's victimized. Sometimes it's the father, sometimes not. Divorce is the ultimate child abuse and the person who initiates it is the abuser. 80% of the time it's women.

Meaning if you file in court against your wife, who is largely innocent, and unfairly so, kids are likely to come to her defense, the act of divorce is parental alienation, you can lose your kids. My nutjob still has no idea why she lost the kids. My ex created a problem out of nothing just because she wanted to upgrade and kids can see through all the BS.

Anyway, to get back to the kids issue.. See I got primary, and I am single father and that's the best outcome you can hope for in terms of courts. The best. But you can have that outcome almost for free if you (1) you never get married (2) find a way to get kids anyway.. lots of kids to be adopted in various eastern European countries or China or whatever, so you kill multiple birds with one stone  - do a good deed that helps you, too. Maybe the surrogate path is one to be explored, had I known this thing would become such a cluster-f ot the 9th degree, I would have definitely either adopted or paid a surrogate, since that's what I ended up with anyway. But you save 10 years of emotional roller-coasters, courts, lawyers, finances, false protective orders and such.

Marriage is just a total fiction. Maybe it worked in 1955. Today is not 1955 however.  Or 75, or even '95.  Not even close and the social landscape has changed dramatically.

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I could be wrong but I think his point was that someone who thinks providing for ones family makes you a beta is probably selfish, and probably doesn't have much capacity for building a long term meaningful relationship.
Inevitably what happens next when that relationship implodes gets blamed on a branch swinging woman.

ETA also I have high testosterone and have never cheated on a partner. Week excuse.

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I thought this was a thread about some new type of welding I hadn’t heard of.