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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:15:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been there twice. You ride up from the base of the mountain to the Eagle's Nest in a gold plated elevator. The old SS guard posts are still on the road up the mountain. Interesting place for history buffs. Berchtesgaden is one of the most beautiful places on earth, too. ETA: The biergarten is second to none for places to grab a meal and a beer. Yup, been there once, absolutely gorgeous views. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:22:07 AM EDT
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I was there in 91. You could still see where the 101st guys burned their names into the ceiling.
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:32:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was there in 91. You could still see where the 101st guys burned their names into the ceiling.  Soldiers of all eras and all countries apparently can't resist letting you know they graced places with their presence. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:40:48 AM EDT
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We used to go to Easter retreat at the General Walker Hotel, the former SS barracks at base of the mountain.
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:41:06 AM EDT
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I went there as a toddler in the 70’s when my dad was stationed in Vilseck but don’t remember much other than it was cold and walking down a path of some sort.
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:42:34 AM EDT
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If you go across the road from the bus drop off there is a trail that will lead to these ruins. The rebar is at least an inch thick on the bunker. That is me next to the concrete foundation. I am 6'2" for comparison. I think this was a bunkhouse back then, but have not researched it. Pretty cool to find them and the view was magnificent!
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:44:26 AM EDT
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It’s interesting how they sought to eradicate the Hitler Virus by destroying anything he’d touched and made magical...either to worshippers or enemies
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Posted: 4/18/2020 12:26:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's interesting how they sought to eradicate the Hitler Virus by destroying anything he'd touched and made magical...either to worshippers or enemies Seriously.  I'm amazed at the number of people who will wig out over "OMFG THAT'S SOMETHING HITLER DID IT MUST BE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!11!!" Yeah, like the interstate highway system, the VW bug, the rockets that got us to the moon, all that bad stuff... 
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Posted: 4/18/2020 12:29:18 PM EDT
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So they scrubbed all the "Kilroy was Here" images off? Oh the hystery.
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Posted: 4/18/2020 12:44:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, been there once, absolutely gorgeous views. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've been there twice. You ride up from the base of the mountain to the Eagle's Nest in a gold plated elevator. The old SS guard posts are still on the road up the mountain. Interesting place for history buffs. Berchtesgaden is one of the most beautiful places on earth, too. ETA: The biergarten is second to none for places to grab a meal and a beer. Yup, been there once, absolutely gorgeous views. Not impressed with the offerings, but the setting was cool. Was a while ago tho O Views are nice - kid was knocking around Europe last summer and sent this  Attached FileHe wasn't much impressed either so we must have similar tastes 
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Posted: 4/18/2020 1:10:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously. I'm amazed at the number of people who will wig out over "OMFG THAT'S SOMETHING HITLER DID IT MUST BE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!11!!" Yeah, like the interstate highway system, the VW bug, the rockets that got us to the moon, all that bad stuff... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's interesting how they sought to eradicate the Hitler Virus by destroying anything he'd touched and made magical...either to worshippers or enemies Seriously. I'm amazed at the number of people who will wig out over "OMFG THAT'S SOMETHING HITLER DID IT MUST BE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!11!!" Yeah, like the interstate highway system, the VW bug, the rockets that got us to the moon, all that bad stuff... Right, and the issue has been politicized to the degree that approval (big or small) of any part of the Hilter machine is seen as a tacit endorsement of the many evils of the machine. We all acknowledge that Hitler and his merry band of fascists were horrible shitheads. Even horrible shitheads get things right occasionally. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 1:14:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of the red fireplace is missing in front top . The end of the mantel is rounded too . Very cool . Yeah a number of the GIs chipped the fireplace as souvenirs.  I read about the fate of Hitler and Goerings cars a few years back. You guys should read about it if you haven’t already. Check out Mark Felton productions on YouTube for some excellent history lessons. 
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Posted: 4/18/2020 2:23:01 PM EDT
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Hitler wasn't fond of the Eagle's Nest. Even if he had been, the place isn't tainted by its association to him; it's a building. I think that keeping the place intact and using it for something constructive is the real estate version of riding your conquered enemy's horse away from his ruined camp.
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Posted: 4/18/2020 2:29:46 PM EDT
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 Eagle's Nest - Hitler's Mountaintop Headquarters Today |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 2:36:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2020 3:13:17 PM EDT
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For those interested, at the very end of the movie "The Sound of Music", with Julie Andrews, the Von Trapp family are fleeing the Nazis and are shown hiking across the top of a mountain with a beautiful valley below. That is the Obersalzburg area and if you look carefully at the path the actors are walking on you will see a raised depression. That spot was an anti-aircraft gun position for defense of the Berghof area.
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Posted: 4/18/2020 4:12:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2020 5:43:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a network of tunnels and bunkers under the ruins of the Berghof connecting to what is now a hotel, but at the time was Goering's house. Some of these tunnels are on youtube, some of it is sealed off. The hotel is the Zum Turkin and if you ask the owner nicely she will let you go into the tunnels. During the war the hotel was used by the Reichssicherheitsdienst and housed troops assigned to protect Hitler. Walk down the road, past the guard booth and you will find the remnants of the Berghof's retaining wall. Berchtesgaden and Obersalzberg are absolutely beautiful and still have a lot of history there if you know where to look. Before you go I highly recommend you spend some time on the Third Reich in Ruins website. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 6:26:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The hotel is the Zum Turkin and if you ask the owner nicely she will let you go into the tunnels. During the war the hotel was used by the Reichssicherheitsdienst and housed troops assigned to protect Hitler. Walk down the road, past the guard booth and you will find the remnants of the Berghof's retaining wall. Berchtesgaden and Obersalzberg are absolutely beautiful and still have a lot of history there if you know where to look. Before you go I highly recommend you spend some time on the Third Reich in Ruins website. Hm, thank you for that; alot of great info. Apparently they did not tear down the house Hitler was born in - I'd heard they had. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 6:48:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously. I'm amazed at the number of people who will wig out over "OMFG THAT'S SOMETHING HITLER DID IT MUST BE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!11!!" Yeah, like the interstate highway system, the VW bug, the rockets that got us to the moon, all that bad stuff... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's interesting how they sought to eradicate the Hitler Virus by destroying anything he'd touched and made magical...either to worshippers or enemies Seriously. I'm amazed at the number of people who will wig out over "OMFG THAT'S SOMETHING HITLER DID IT MUST BE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!11!!" Yeah, like the interstate highway system, the VW bug, the rockets that got us to the moon, all that bad stuff... I'm more amazed at the amount of American liberals who drive Volkswagens, and have no idea of his connection to the company. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 7:00:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah a number of the GIs chipped the fireplace as souvenirs. I read about the fate of Hitler and Goerings cars a few years back. You guys should read about it if you haven’t already. Check out Mark Felton productions on YouTube for some excellent history lessons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some of the red fireplace is missing in front top . The end of the mantel is rounded too . Very cool . Yeah a number of the GIs chipped the fireplace as souvenirs. I read about the fate of Hitler and Goerings cars a few years back. You guys should read about it if you haven’t already. Check out Mark Felton productions on YouTube for some excellent history lessons. See my post on page one for a picture of one of those chips. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 7:03:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: See my post on page one for a picture of one of those chips. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some of the red fireplace is missing in front top . The end of the mantel is rounded too . Very cool . Yeah a number of the GIs chipped the fireplace as souvenirs. I read about the fate of Hitler and Goerings cars a few years back. You guys should read about it if you haven’t already. Check out Mark Felton productions on YouTube for some excellent history lessons. See my post on page one for a picture of one of those chips. Yeah! I read it. That is really cool.
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Posted: 4/18/2020 8:41:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that was great, thanks for posting. His channel is worth it to subscribe to. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 8:49:05 PM EDT
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I was there a couple of years ago. Unfortunately weather was atrocious that day. All we saw was fog/clouds/rain!
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Posted: 4/18/2020 8:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beautiful place, but a fire truck full of Holy Water couldn't wash the evil out that place. I worked for a German chemical company that we later found out used Jews for slave labor and produced Zyklon B. I left a couple of years later because I never felt good about them after I found out. BASF? There's alot of companies that came out of IG Farben. Alot of the things we use today came out of bad origins, but we can't dwell on the past too much or else you will never be able to do anything |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 9:05:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BASF? There's alot of companies that came out of IG Farben. Alot of the things we use today came out of bad origins, but we can't dwell on the past too much or else you will never be able to do anything Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Beautiful place, but a fire truck full of Holy Water couldn't wash the evil out that place. I worked for a German chemical company that we later found out used Jews for slave labor and produced Zyklon B. I left a couple of years later because I never felt good about them after I found out. There's alot of companies that came out of IG Farben. Alot of the things we use today came out of bad origins, but we can't dwell on the past too much or else you will never be able to do anything
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:05:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We used to go to Easter retreat at the General Walker Hotel, the former SS barracks at base of the mountain. They demolished those about a decade ago, iirc. Too bad, would have made a great basecamp to sightsee SE Bavaria and parts of Austria. Closest place now is Hohenfels I think. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:14:24 PM EDT
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I went there in 2010 with my wife, its a cool place to see for yourself. I hope to see it again with my boys someday soon.
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:21:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BASF? There's alot of companies that came out of IG Farben. Alot of the things we use today came out of bad origins, but we can't dwell on the past too much or else you will never be able to do anything Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Beautiful place, but a fire truck full of Holy Water couldn't wash the evil out that place. I worked for a German chemical company that we later found out used Jews for slave labor and produced Zyklon B. I left a couple of years later because I never felt good about them after I found out. BASF? There's alot of companies that came out of IG Farben. Alot of the things we use today came out of bad origins, but we can't dwell on the past too much or else you will never be able to do anything Degussa. I’m not normally affected by things like this, and I’ve got some German ancestry, but something just didn’t feel right about working there after I found out. I know, feelings and such, but sometimes they happen. Did get a better paying job afterwards, too. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:23:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Soldiers of all eras and all countries apparently can't resist letting you know they graced places with their presence.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was there in 91. You could still see where the 101st guys burned their names into the ceiling. Soldiers of all eras and all countries apparently can't resist letting you know they graced places with their presence.It's really a shame penis drawing hadn't been such a part of the culture back then. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:26:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was there a couple of years ago. Unfortunately weather was atrocious that day. All we saw was fog/clouds/rain! I always feel bad for tourists I see when the weather is bad anywhere, especially if it's a place where I can decide to go to based on my "weather will be great tomorrow, let's do X" assessment. Bad weather can really ruin a trip. There have to be tens of thousands of Chinese tourists whose only memory of certain European cities is horrible rain. |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 12:03:10 AM EDT
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Neat thread.
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Posted: 4/19/2020 3:06:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always feel bad for trusts I see when the weather is bad anywhere, especially if it's a place where I can decide to go to based on my "weather will be great tomorrow, let's do X" assessment. Bad weather can really ruin a trip. There have to be tens of thousands of Chinese tourists whose only memory of certain European cities is horrible rain. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was there a couple of years ago. Unfortunately weather was atrocious that day. All we saw was fog/clouds/rain! I always feel bad for trusts I see when the weather is bad anywhere, especially if it's a place where I can decide to go to based on my "weather will be great tomorrow, let's do X" assessment. Bad weather can really ruin a trip. There have to be tens of thousands of Chinese tourists whose only memory of certain European cities is horrible rain. It sucked how we couldn't see anything, but we still really appreciated being there. It was seeing things I had only ever seen in a book or on TV It was a once in a lifetime opportunity for us, especially since getting to Europe is ~22hrs on a plane. We will never go back, since we would rather see things that we have never seen before. |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 8:44:46 AM EDT
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Here is part E Company 506th resting in place at the Eagles Nest
Major Winters is in the middle right, 3rd ftom right seated  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 10:18:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It sucked how we couldn't see anything, but we still really appreciated being there. It was seeing things I had only ever seen in a book or on TV It was a once in a lifetime opportunity for us, especially since getting to Europe is ~22hrs on a plane. We will never go back, since we would rather see things that we have never seen before. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was there a couple of years ago. Unfortunately weather was atrocious that day. All we saw was fog/clouds/rain! I always feel bad for trusts I see when the weather is bad anywhere, especially if it's a place where I can decide to go to based on my "weather will be great tomorrow, let's do X" assessment. Bad weather can really ruin a trip. There have to be tens of thousands of Chinese tourists whose only memory of certain European cities is horrible rain. It sucked how we couldn't see anything, but we still really appreciated being there. It was seeing things I had only ever seen in a book or on TV It was a once in a lifetime opportunity for us, especially since getting to Europe is ~22hrs on a plane. We will never go back, since we would rather see things that we have never seen before. On a clear day, you can see Salzburg. You can also see that the mountains all head into Germany, Hence, the remarks you see from time to time joking about "The Sound of Music" and where that family was going at the end. |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 11:33:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always feel bad for tourists I see when the weather is bad anywhere, especially if it's a place where I can decide to go to based on my "weather will be great tomorrow, let's do X" assessment. Bad weather can really ruin a trip. There have to be tens of thousands of Chinese tourists whose only memory of certain European cities is horrible rain. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was there a couple of years ago. Unfortunately weather was atrocious that day. All we saw was fog/clouds/rain! I always feel bad for tourists I see when the weather is bad anywhere, especially if it's a place where I can decide to go to based on my "weather will be great tomorrow, let's do X" assessment. Bad weather can really ruin a trip. There have to be tens of thousands of Chinese tourists whose only memory of certain European cities is horrible rain. We got in before the fog came in completely, and I took this (auto-stitched from a Canon 60D):  The building at the top is a nice restaurant, as someone said (they were private party only that day):  : |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 11:39:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 14 known visits. Didn't like the heights or the elevator. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Kehlsteinhaus most certainly is still there and you can visit it. BTW - Hitler did not actually like the place very much, and did not go there often. 14 known visits. Didn't like the heights or the elevator. Or getting pooed on by Eva, if that's the only place he hung out with her
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Posted: 4/19/2020 11:40:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Degussa. I’m not normally affected by things like this, and I’ve got some German ancestry, but something just didn’t feel right about working there after I found out. I know, feelings and such, but sometimes they happen. Did get a better paying job afterwards, too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Beautiful place, but a fire truck full of Holy Water couldn't wash the evil out that place. I worked for a German chemical company that we later found out used Jews for slave labor and produced Zyklon B. I left a couple of years later because I never felt good about them after I found out. BASF? There's alot of companies that came out of IG Farben. Alot of the things we use today came out of bad origins, but we can't dwell on the past too much or else you will never be able to do anything Degussa. I’m not normally affected by things like this, and I’ve got some German ancestry, but something just didn’t feel right about working there after I found out. I know, feelings and such, but sometimes they happen. Did get a better paying job afterwards, too. Think they'd were an independent business bought out by IG Farben during the Nazi years. An actual pesticide company hired to fumigate inmate barracks. They would give warnings that the shit was fatal if you were inside the tents. The Nazi lightbulb went off and they tried it out predominantly on Russian POWs brought to Germany for forced labor and 200 Jews before adopting it for the final solution |
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