User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 6/12/2017 11:13:17 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I've never heard anything about this. Care to educate me? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Remember the Palladin Press books? One of their books probably singlehandedly saved the existence of the AR-7. Paladin Press had all sorts of books for sale-Anarchist Cookbook,homemade suppressors,full auto conversion manuals,etc... Used to see them for sale at gun shows. Don't think they are around anymore.I have a bunch of old Shotgun News and other type mags from the 80' and 90's-I'll see if I saved a copy. @Bassgasm |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/12/2017 11:16:29 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I've never heard anything about this. Care to educate me? |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 12:09:29 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Don't think they are around anymore.I have a bunch of old Shotgun News and other type mags from the 80' and 90's-I'll see if I saved a copy. If you pull up Netflix and watch The New Detectives(old Discovery Channel show) one of the first few episodes is about that case. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 12:28:59 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not only is it much easier to manufacture suppressors than rimfire ammunition, but the circumstances were much different. Newtown was an unforeseen event with tough political timing (Obama reelected), and people were panicking and hoarding. HPA/SHARE would be the opposite of that. The entire industry is watching and quietly making plans, and manufacturers can gradually increase their level of investment as the bill passes. There will probably be an effective date that comes after Trump signs it. In the time between the Senate passing a bill and that bill going into effect, manufacturers can build a stock of inventory ready to roll on day 1. Pallets of suppressors, integrally suppressed firearms, and integrally suppressed uppers could be arriving at distributors within 48 hours. That's my half way logic-based daydream, anyways. There will definitely be a market for used suppressors if it passes. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 12:32:38 AM EDT
[#5]
Hopefully this'll see the light of day. But I doubt it gets out of the committee.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 12:34:31 AM EDT
[#6]
On topic: What's the opinion of what will happen to the cost of plinking ammo in, say, 5.56 and 9mm if this happens? Flood the market? Remain similar for high quality American made brass cased ammo? How about for the new whiz-bang 5.56 self defense rounds like tipped matchking, matchking, TSX, Gold Dots, etc?
I can't imagine that a company like Federal or Winchester operates on huge profit margins. How much lower can it go and them be able to keep the doors open? |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 12:38:40 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote History |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 12:40:36 AM EDT
[#8]
If HPA passes cans will be HAAAARDDD to come by for quite some time. It may take 2-3 years for the industry to catch up, hope quality does not slip.
Once they do I bet the prices then become very competitive over the years to come. Right now really quality cans at 1000-1500 make sense, since they will not sell many units. Eventually that same model should sell 10s of thousands of units, instead of hundreds. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 12:41:11 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
so..once this passes will all the dickface whiners shit up about trump? If this passes (highly unlikely) then it'll be a step in the right direction for sure but there's much more to be done. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 12:44:00 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
SO want I to hold a candidate to his promises makes people whiners? Lol If this passes (highly unlikely) then it'll be a step in the right direction for sure but there's much more to be done. There is a whole party rallying against him as hard they possibly can and there are traitors in his own party helping them every step of the way. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 12:45:24 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Hillary lost-get over it. The Republicans control all 3 branches.Fasten your seatbelt........... 
You can't be serious in thinking just because republicans control all three branches that means anything of consequence... 
Need I remind you of the time period between 2000-2008 where we had an even larger majority? 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 12:46:42 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Im not boltcathc. but I would like to respond. How much does a CNC mill cost? How much does a CNC lather cost? How much does an EDM sinker machine cost? How much does a CNC TIG welding machine cost? How much do the materials cost? How much do your machine operators make a year? How does your graphics design team cost? How much does it cost to produce packaging? CNC Cerakote applicator, R&D, ammo, full auto firearms, bullet traps, air scrubbers...the list goes on. Add all that up (plus some) and I think we can begin to understand why a quality suppressor costs what it costs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Mr Boltcatch, How much machining experience do you personally have? Honest answer please. I'm no trying to be an ass. I am just trying to understand your statement above. I can't say that I have extreme extensive experience. But I do have a bit of it with ti ( Ti 6-4) , al (Various), and various stainless steels. The machining is not that difficult to do, just takes quality cutting heads and good equipment. The average joe who can get access to a good quality lathe can make all of this stuff quickly and easily. There is also more "slop" than you would think in most suppressors. ( I have a few suppressors as well ) Thank you. The tech is not difficult and is actually pretty easy to machine and setup for a few cans. I would not want to make a thousand cans like this, but like many here would probably be able to say. Getting access to a lathe and a simple mill/drill press is not that hard. I know of a few I could use at any given time that are not CNC, and I could make a few for myself rather easily. They would look decent and work effectively. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 12:56:57 AM EDT
[#13]
All of the Chicom "Type ##" guns I could ever want. I'm IN on this one. Unfortunately the politicians that we need to get on board with something like this can fuck up a wet dream, my fingers are crossed though!
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 1:04:31 AM EDT
[#14]
If you gave me free chicom shit, I would throw it away.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 1:09:54 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If you gave me free chicom shit, I would throw it away. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 1:15:08 AM EDT
[#16]
My lathe is so wet right now
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 1:19:31 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I bet 90% of the stuff you own is made in China. You gonna throw that away? Any cheap shit laying around that has a bunch of chicom components in it I could definitely do without. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 1:23:50 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
But the prices will still be $800 or more because a tube with caps on the end is damn near impossible to manufacture.  Or keep charging $800, and you save $200 tax stamp. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 1:23:52 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If you gave me free chicom shit, I would throw it away. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 1:38:13 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
All of the Chicom "Type ##" guns I could ever want. I'm IN on this one. Unfortunately the politicians that we need to get on board with something like this can fuck up a wet dream, my fingers are crossed though! |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 1:56:56 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Like Keltec? A few houses might have the means to quickly ramp up production but, most will not. There will definitely be a market for used suppressors if it passes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Not only is it much easier to manufacture suppressors than rimfire ammunition, but the circumstances were much different. Newtown was an unforeseen event with tough political timing (Obama reelected), and people were panicking and hoarding. HPA/SHARE would be the opposite of that. The entire industry is watching and quietly making plans, and manufacturers can gradually increase their level of investment as the bill passes. There will probably be an effective date that comes after Trump signs it. In the time between the Senate passing a bill and that bill going into effect, manufacturers can build a stock of inventory ready to roll on day 1. Pallets of suppressors, integrally suppressed firearms, and integrally suppressed uppers could be arriving at distributors within 48 hours. That's my half way logic-based daydream, anyways. There will definitely be a market for used suppressors if it passes. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 2:28:46 AM EDT
[#22]
According to this, the House passed a previous version of this bill last year but it died in the Senate. Comparing the bills, it looks like they shortened the number of chapters/titles/whatever and added the HPA and sporting purposes stuff for the 115th Congress version.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 3:13:33 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yeah,53% to 41% over his democrat challenger.Easily beat his primary challengers as well. Seems to me,that if the people of Arizona were sick of him,he would have gotten the boot,rather than a 6th term. I hope you are right on 2018,but I have serious doubts............ Here is his chapter on Revenge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd0AdArPjqU Listen and take notes, factor in Bannon and Louindski being back on the team and leftists and cucks will REEE like never seen before. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 5:21:05 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
On topic: What's the opinion of what will happen to the cost of plinking ammo in, say, 5.56 and 9mm if this happens? Flood the market? Remain similar for high quality American made brass cased ammo? How about for the new whiz-bang 5.56 self defense rounds like tipped matchking, matchking, TSX, Gold Dots, etc? I can't imagine that a company like Federal or Winchester operates on huge profit margins. How much lower can it go and them be able to keep the doors open? So prices for those commie calibers would drop like a rock, and NATO calibers would probably have to drop a little bit too to compete with the demand for dirt cheap AKs and dirt cheap 7.62 ammo. The AR15 is still the most common gun in America. So there will still be a demand for .225/5.56 no matter how much cheap surplus chinese 7.62 gets imported. We might see brass cased .223 selling for 20-25 cpr and brass 9mm selling for 10-15 cpr. That's my wild guess. Hopefully the imports aren't so cheap that American companies aren't able to compete and go under. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 5:39:32 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
What does it do? Give me a boner No more sporting clause for importation No more ATF rulings on ammo No more restricting ammo from importation No more over .50 caliber = DD That last one I'm hazy on, maybe buying handguns across state lines? |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 5:59:50 AM EDT
[#26]
So I could buy 20mm rifles and ammo no DD asshatery?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 6:29:51 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not really. Suppressors cost so much because they are marketed towards people who have enough disposable income to pay a $200 tax, and those people expect an extremely long lasting product in exchange for their expense and inconvenience. This is compounded by the regulatory burden of dealing in NFA transactions. Manufacturers, distributors, and retailers all need to make a big enough margin to make that pain worthwhile. Pull suppressors out of the NFA, and all of that mostly goes away overnight. The tax goes away, and cans will go from manufacturers to consumers in a couple of weeks. Do you really think suppressors should cost more than AR barrels or magnified optics? The real fun is going to be in the hardware store parts lists that pop up here on Arfcom. Guys are going to be making cans out of all kinds of crazy shit just because we can. You think it's going to stop at Maglight bodies and freeze plugs? People are going to be making science experiments out of PVC, conduit, copper pipe, aerosol cans, shop vac attachments, or whatever they think might be fun to duct tape to the end of a 10/22. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 6:31:14 AM EDT
[#28]
That looks great, I'm hoping for the best now.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 6:56:59 AM EDT
[#29]
I hope it passes.
Something needs to pass. Anything. GOP doing nothing while the D's whittle away our rights will kill the 2A. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 7:05:10 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Im not boltcathc. but I would like to respond. How much does a CNC mill cost? How much does a CNC lather cost? How much does an EDM sinker machine cost? How much does a CNC TIG welding machine cost? How much do the materials cost? How much do your machine operators make a year? How does your graphics design team cost? How much does it cost to produce packaging? CNC Cerakote applicator, R&D, ammo, full auto firearms, bullet traps, air scrubbers...the list goes on. Add all that up (plus some) and I think we can begin to understand why a quality suppressor costs what it costs. How much does a forging hammer cost? How much do forging dies cost? How much does a billet of 7075 aluminum cost? How much does a CNC mill and tooling cost? How much does an anodizing setup cost? ... and yet you can buy one for $40. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 7:07:47 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
And that enterprising person will have his ass sued into the ground when the baffle strikes start and somebody gets hurt. Then the next guy will copy that design and the ID will go to twice the size of a normal can and the suppression will suck balls. It'll sell about as well as the crazy ass pistol grip not a shoulder stock NY legal shoulder stock. Aimless will have 3 of them. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 7:20:49 AM EDT
[#32]
So can we say anyone who doesn't support this is against sharing?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:09:21 AM EDT
[#33]
Lots of negative Nancy's around here.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:14:10 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Lots of negative Nancy's around here. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:19:09 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Until this passes then everyone will be making them and 80% suppressor kits....... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Yep,there's only a handful of people in the US that could possibly make suppressors............. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:21:17 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why would you get baffle strikes if it's sleeved onto the barrel? |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:21:20 AM EDT
[#37]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:22:30 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Lots of negative Nancy's around here. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:24:45 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Patiently waiting for PSA to release shitty Chinese $200 cans. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:26:55 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You won't though...Economies of scale much? The sheer number of suppressors that will flood the market and the innovation involved with new brands finding their market niche will make the floor fall out of the suppressor market. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:28:08 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
The ban on Chinese firearms is due to a Presidential Order issued by Bush1. Bush sanctions on China |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:35:15 AM EDT
[#42]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:47:06 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Its not like the Republicans are in Control of Congress and The White House. Of course they should just sit on their fat asses and do nothing, and bask in their victory. IT'S TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:55:43 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
But the prices will still be $800 or more because a tube with caps on the end is damn near impossible to manufacture. All contingent on HPA....but still. Expect prices to drop. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:57:38 AM EDT
[#45]
Can all this somehow be tied to a "reconciliation type of bill"???
That way Mitchie would only need 51 votes??? |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 8:59:30 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Considering my home was made right here, and consists of 70% of my net worth there is no way you are right. Any cheap shit laying around that has a bunch of chicom components in it I could definitely do without. Linked nails for nail guns likely came from China. The rest of the nails and drywall screws have a better than 1 in 3 chance of coming from China. Be sure and toss your electrical outlets and most of your light fixtures. After the 2000 scare on China made sheetrock, your have a fair chance of US made sheetrock. Do you have porcine or ceramic tile, better check on that. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 9:00:55 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
This. There is a PA RINO calling for UBCs. We have a RINO in OR supporting secret court confiscations and indefinite purchase delays. TX RINOs kill open carry. FL RINOs do the same. On federal level, Republicans are even worse when it comes to 2A rights. Only better than commies for now. Yep, all those R's were standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the gun grabbers when they went full-retard after Sandy Hook. It's a good thing those gun grabbers didn't push for another AWB or mag limits or UBCs or a gun registry at the time. We would have had nobody to stop it. Oh wait, they did try it, and republicans (and some democrats) banded together and voted to stop it. And they will vote pro-2A again, but only if we tell them to. If we assume this bill is DOA and roll over like a bunch of bitches then the only voices they hear will be pajama boy crying about scary guns. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 9:05:38 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yep, all those R's were standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the gun grabbers when they went full-retard after Sandy Hook. It's a good thing those gun grabbers didn't push for another AWB or mag limits or UBCs or a gun registry at the time. We would have had nobody to stop it. Oh wait, they did try it, and republicans (and some democrats) banded together and voted to stop it. And they will vote pro-2A again, but only if we tell them to. If we assume this bill is DOA and roll over like a bunch of bitches then the only voices they hear will be pajama boy crying about scary guns. I think the Reps, Senators and President are getting a bit sick of all my emails!! 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 9:12:45 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Can I buy crack from you?
You can't be serious in thinking just because republicans control all three branches that means anything of consequence...
Need I remind you of the time period between 2000-2008 where we had an even larger majority? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Hillary lost-get over it. The Republicans control all 3 branches.Fasten your seatbelt...........
You can't be serious in thinking just because republicans control all three branches that means anything of consequence...
Need I remind you of the time period between 2000-2008 where we had an even larger majority? |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/13/2017 9:38:06 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
There was a big lawsuit-One of their books-Hitman, A Technical Manual for the Independent Contractor-was used word for word as instructions in a murder for hire, once the killer and the person who hired him were caught there was a big lawsuit between the feds and the publisher that resulted in most, if not all of those books being pulled from publication. If you pull up Netflix and watch The New Detectives(old Discovery Channel show) one of the first few episodes is about that case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Don't think they are around anymore.I have a bunch of old Shotgun News and other type mags from the 80' and 90's-I'll see if I saved a copy. If you pull up Netflix and watch The New Detectives(old Discovery Channel show) one of the first few episodes is about that case. |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
Attached File