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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:24:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'll be the first to start this shitstorm. Their property, their rules. So...I can have a rule that says all law enforcement officers must disarm upon entering my property? |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:25:00 AM EDT
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I'll be the first to start this shitstorm. Their property, their rules. How about the AZ law forcing property owners to allow guns in their parking lots? “Guns in Parking Lots” This law, codified as A.R.S. § 12-781, makes it illegal for a property owner, tenant, public employer, private employer, or any other business entity to establish, maintain or enforce a policy that prohibits their employees, visitors or customers from storing firearms in their cars or motorcycles so long as the firearms are stored in a locked vehicle or in a locked compartment of a motorcycle, and are not visible from outside the vehicle. This law does not impact an employers’ right to prohibit firearms within its buildings. Guns in a parking lot, in a locked vehicle, is very, very different. The vehicle is effectively a bubble of personal property of the owner. Note that no one should be required to provide parking... But once they do, they accept that those bubbles of someone else's property will be there. Is my hip not a bubble of personal property? |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:25:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:25:47 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:29:03 AM EDT
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This pretty much sums up my opinion, as well.
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Finally, someone who gets it. If you are open to the public, then be open to the public. Don't pick and choose what aspects of the public you want to have in your business.
it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Until it's legal for me to have a whites only business, a no guns business shouldn't exist either... You need to lobby for "gun owner" to be a Protected Class under federal law then. Until then a business owner has the same rights as a home owner in regards to what is and isn't allowed on their property. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:29:19 AM EDT
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I'll be the first to start this shitstorm. Their property, their rules. So...I can have a rule that says all law enforcement officers must disarm upon entering my property? Yes, you can. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:29:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Cali open carry activists are becoming the our Westboro fringe...   because?
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:30:20 AM EDT
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And this is why I never open carry.
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:30:59 AM EDT
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Finally, someone who gets it. If you are open to the public, then be open to the public. Don't pick and choose what aspects of the public you want to have in your business.
it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Until it's legal for me to have a whites only business, a no guns business shouldn't exist either... Yep. Should not be illegal, as deplorable as it is. Market would sort it out. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:35:02 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:35:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: Cali open carry activists are becoming the our Westboro fringe... Says the guy who lives where you can't OC a handgun, period. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:35:43 AM EDT
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Finally, someone who gets it. If you are open to the public, then be open to the public. Don't pick and choose what aspects of the public you want to have in your business.
it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Until it's legal for me to have a whites only business, a no guns business shouldn't exist either... Yep. Should not be illegal, as deplorable as it is. Market would sort it out. imagine a movie theater that did not allow a certian group of people that are known for talking/ yelling to the screen / telling the actors LOUDY.. girl.. dont go there,...DONT OPEN THE DOOR! ... i would LOVE that place 
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:40:31 AM EDT
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I'll be the first to start this shitstorm. Their property, their rules. Agreed! Sorry, I agree to. The mall is private property and if they aren't going to let you carry the way you want, go shop somewhere that does. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:42:06 AM EDT
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Surprise, surprise Open Carry sucks.
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:43:05 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? How can a 4 or 5 star restaraunt refuse to seat some dude in a mullet, wife beater, jean shorts, and flip flops who smells like he hasn't showered in a week? How can a business owner ask 2 guys that are very obviously casing the joint to leave? Does anyone have right to be anywhere, anytime, irrespective of the owners wishes? |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:46:27 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? How can a 4 or 5 star restaraunt refuse to seat some dude in a mullet, wife beater, jean shorts, and flip flops who smells like he hasn't showered in a week? How can a business owner ask 2 guys that are very obviously casing the joint to leave? Does anyone have right to be anywhere, anytime, irrespective of the owners wishes? You dodged the question. Nice try though. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:47:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: What State is this in?A dozen armed South Bay Open Carry gun activists were escorted out of a restaurant at the South Bay Galleria mall Saturday afternoon by a Redondo Beach policeman. South Bay Galleria marketing director Mickey Marraffino confirmed that the mall’s guest code of conduct does not allow anyone to bring firearms onto the premises unless permission has been granted ahead of time by mall management. "We have a code of conduct, and we were enforcing our code of conduct,” she said. http://www.easyreadernews.com/2011/01/redondo-beach-news/open-carry Bama, any chance that you could put the State in your title as you post all these interesting news clips that you manage to find? Thanks. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:47:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'll be the first to start this shitstorm. Their property, their rules. Agreed! +1 +2 I expect others to obey my rules when they are on my property. Are you open to thte public? Are your rules posted in a proment place so I am made aware of your rules before entering............ or do I have to a fucking mind reader? *** Not picking on you just your post(s) made the best example for my post. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:47:37 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. those aren't "fundamental" my argument stops at race, gender and the right to defend yourself. no need to include dildos or saggy pants |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:48:05 AM EDT
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I saw a similar thing happen right here at the OutBack restaurant that #2 son used to work in. Guy walks in with a 4" S&W on his hip, cops come 5 minutes later and escort him outside. Cops talk to the guy outside for 2 or 3 minutes and the guy drives away in a huff. To the cops credit they didn't take his gun. #2 son insists it wasn't management who called, the manager at the time always carried a 38. That means some anti-gun nut or angry ex-wife called the cops, probably as soon as he/she saw the gun. I have a REAL problem with this here. If it was legal for open carry and the management (read private property owner) did not call, then why are the police escorting the guy outside? Were they making threatening or furtive moves? Too many drinks with a gun on your hip? What was up with that!? I don't really think the "ant-gun nut" or "angry ex-wife" has any standing in this situation, given the facts above, to complain and have caused the guy with a gun to leave. He has just as much of a right to sit down and enjoy his dinner as anybody else in that place, given the circumstances above. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:48:58 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? How can a 4 or 5 star restaraunt refuse to seat some dude in a mullet, wife beater, jean shorts, and flip flops who smells like he hasn't showered in a week? How can a business owner ask 2 guys that are very obviously casing the joint to leave? Does anyone have right to be anywhere, anytime, irrespective of the owners wishes? You dodged the question. Nice try though. I already posted my answer earlier. The business owner should be able to turn them away, if he chooses. Again, this is deplorable, but it's the kind of thing the market would sort out. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:50:22 AM EDT
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This pretty much sums up my opinion, as well.
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Finally, someone who gets it. If you are open to the public, then be open to the public. Don't pick and choose what aspects of the public you want to have in your business.
it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Until it's legal for me to have a whites only business, a no guns business shouldn't exist either... You need to lobby for "gun owner" to be a Protected Class under federal law then. Until then a business owner has the same rights as a home owner in regards to what is and isn't allowed on their property. thats a capital idea :) In the case of someone having a gun its a "who" isn't allowed not "what" guns aren't evil |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:51:52 AM EDT
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I'll be the first to start this shitstorm. Their property, their rules. Agreed! +1 +2 I expect others to obey my rules when they are on my property. Are you open to thte public? Are your rules posted in a proment place so I am made aware of your rules before entering............ or do I have to a fucking mind reader? *** Not picking on you just your post(s) made the best example for my post. It changes from state to state but in Georgia, signs do not have any legal weight. Someone from the company has to tell you to leave. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:52:32 AM EDT
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Property rights my ass. Try putting up a no HOMOS sign and see how long you stay in business. You're either open to the public, or not. EXCELLENT POINT! Discrimination cuts both ways! |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:53:04 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? Things that can't be changed (gender, sexual preference, race) shouldn't be discriminated against. Everything else is fine. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:54:28 AM EDT
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Ever notice how gunowners/conservitives think "your property your rules" but antigunners/libtards think "your property my rules". Don't fool yourself. Plenty of conservatives feel that way as well. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:55:17 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? Things that can't be changed (gender, sexual preference, race) shouldn't be discriminated against. Everything else is fine. Where in hell does THAT come from? |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:56:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'll be the first to start this shitstorm. Their property, their rules. Of course, now that they've established the precedent, if they have a shooting incident, they can potentially be held legally liable... |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:56:38 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? Are they wearing saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes? |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 8:57:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: Redondo Beach, Los Angeles County, California. LA County, as a rule, does not issue CCW to common citizens.Quoted: What State is this in?A dozen armed South Bay Open Carry gun activists were escorted out of a restaurant at the South Bay Galleria mall Saturday afternoon by a Redondo Beach policeman. South Bay Galleria marketing director Mickey Marraffino confirmed that the mall’s guest code of conduct does not allow anyone to bring firearms onto the premises unless permission has been granted ahead of time by mall management. "We have a code of conduct, and we were enforcing our code of conduct,” she said. http://www.easyreadernews.com/2011/01/redondo-beach-news/open-carry Bama, any chance that you could put the State in your title as you post all these interesting news clips that you manage to find? Thanks. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:01:05 AM EDT
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OK, I'll dive into the fray here....
Open carry is like the "assless chaps" of the gun rights movement. It does more harm than good. It puts people off, and it shifts ppublic opinion against RKBA. Concealed doesn't. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:01:40 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? Things that can't be changed (gender, sexual preference, race) shouldn't be discriminated against. Everything else is fine. (gender, sexual preference, race) can't be changed? I have 3 examples: Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, and Michael Jackson. 
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:02:45 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? Things that can't be changed (gender, sexual preference, race) shouldn't be discriminated against. Everything else is fine. Where in hell does THAT come from? It's the general logic behind our anti-discrimination laws. It's a kind of logic that I have no problem with. So, to answer your question: can't ban gays, can't ban Mexicans, can ban obese people. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:03:48 AM EDT
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It's called DISCRETION, the more people that go out and stick guns (figuratively of course) in the faces of the general public the more people are going to push for silly laws.
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:03:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? Things that can't be changed (gender, sexual preference, race) shouldn't be discriminated against. Everything else is fine. (gender, sexual preference, race) can't be changed? I have 3 examples: Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, and Michael Jackson.  |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:04:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: It's called DISCRETION, the more people that go out and stick guns (figuratively of course) in the faces of the general public the more people are going to push for silly laws. Last time the Dems tried that here, they failed. Miserably. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:06:57 AM EDT
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In on one. The 2nd protects you from the tyranny of the Government, It has no bearing on others private property rights. If that mall is owned fully or patially by the local governemnt, or was built with .gov money via urban rewal, then the "property owner" is...US! |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:09:58 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? Things that can't be changed (gender, sexual preference, race) shouldn't be discriminated against. Everything else is fine. (gender, sexual preference, race) can't be changed? I have 3 examples: Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, and Michael Jackson. Exception that proves the rule, but good joke nonetheless. 
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:11:34 AM EDT
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Is it known if the property owner, or his agent, (the only ones with actual property rights) ask that the OC guys leave, or someone else, (who does not own the property) to ask that the OC guys leave?
I think that this may be an important point as to the legality of the OC guys removal from the property. My understanding of the laws, are that service can be refused for almost any reason, and, that if asked to leave, and one refuses to leave, they would be charged with trespass. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:19:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: A dozen armed South Bay Open Carry gun activists were escorted out of a restaurant at the South Bay Galleria mall Saturday afternoon by a Redondo Beach policeman. South Bay Galleria marketing director Mickey Marraffino confirmed that the mall’s guest code of conduct does not allow anyone to bring firearms onto the premises unless permission has been granted ahead of time by mall management. "We have a code of conduct, and we were enforcing our code of conduct,” she said. http://www.easyreadernews.com/2011/01/redondo-beach-news/open-carry I just love it when a code of conduct over rides the code of the land  |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:20:29 AM EDT
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I'll be the first to start this shitstorm. Their property, their rules. How about the AZ law forcing property owners to allow guns in their parking lots? “Guns in Parking Lots” This law, codified as A.R.S. § 12-781, makes it illegal for a property owner, tenant, public employer, private employer, or any other business entity to establish, maintain or enforce a policy that prohibits their employees, visitors or customers from storing firearms in their cars or motorcycles so long as the firearms are stored in a locked vehicle or in a locked compartment of a motorcycle, and are not visible from outside the vehicle. This law does not impact an employers’ right to prohibit firearms within its buildings. Good. One can always say go find another job, or move somewhere else, but we all know that isn't practical for the most part. I for one, am glad that the law, at least in some places, recognizes that. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:21:57 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? Things that can't be changed (gender, sexual preference, race) shouldn't be discriminated against. Everything else is fine. Where in hell does THAT come from? It's the general logic behind our anti-discrimination laws. It's a kind of logic that I have no problem with. So, to answer your question: can't ban gays, can't ban Mexicans, can ban obese people. Well, I guess that is fine as long as you are the one deciding who gets banned. I am not convinced that what you refer to is the general logic behind anti-discrimination laws. In any event your statement as it is, is a rather severe oversimplification. Since when can sexual preference not be changed!? I think the jury is still out on that one. While it may be difficult for an obese plaintiff to successfully bring a discrimination claim, courts have found some plaintiffs entitled to protection under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Your position is a Pandora's box which can lead to arbitrary and capricious determinations of who has a right and who doesn't. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:24:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'll be the first to start this shitstorm. Their property, their rules. So...I can have a rule that says all law enforcement officers must disarm upon entering my property? Yes, you can. lol....but that doesn't mean they will. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:24:37 AM EDT
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A dozen armed South Bay Open Carry gun activists were escorted out of a restaurant at the South Bay Galleria mall Saturday afternoon by a Redondo Beach policeman. South Bay Galleria marketing director Mickey Marraffino confirmed that the mall’s guest code of conduct does not allow anyone to bring firearms onto the premises unless permission has been granted ahead of time by mall management. "We have a code of conduct, and we were enforcing our code of conduct,” she said. http://www.easyreadernews.com/2011/01/redondo-beach-news/open-carry I just love it when a code of conduct over rides the code of the land
Same as you don't have a 1st amendment right on private property. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:25:38 AM EDT
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Is it known if the property owner, or his agent, (the only ones with actual property rights) ask that the OC guys leave, or someone else, (who does not own the property) to ask that the OC guys leave? I think that this may be an important point as to the legality of the OC guys removal from the property. My understanding of the laws, are that service can be refused for almost any reason, and, that if asked to leave, and one refuses to leave, they would be charged with trespass. Hoping for some responses - |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:43:07 AM EDT
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Is it known if the property owner, or his agent, (the only ones with actual property rights) ask that the OC guys leave, or someone else, (who does not own the property) to ask that the OC guys leave? I think that this may be an important point as to the legality of the OC guys removal from the property. My understanding of the laws, are that service can be refused for almost any reason, and, that if asked to leave, and one refuses to leave, they would be charged with trespass. Hoping for some responses - From the article: The officer, Sgt. Pete Grimm, said he was responding to a request from the restaurant and was simply following the law by checking their firearms.
“What was it that I did that was rogue?” Grimm said. “For the record, the South Bay Galleria does not allow weapons on their property. It is private property…The management at the Red Robin did not want them in there, and they are not allowed to be on Galleria premises with firearms.” I don't see any vagueness to the situation. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:49:06 AM EDT
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it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Ehhh. They can ban saggy pants, plaid shirts and mickey mouse shoes if they want. Private property. What about Gays, Mexicans, or Obese people? Things that can't be changed (gender, sexual preference, race) shouldn't be discriminated against. Everything else is fine. (gender, sexual preference, race) can't be changed? I have 3 examples: Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, and Michael Jackson. Exception that proves the rule, but good joke nonetheless. exceptions that prove the rule, actually prove the rule to be FALSE - that is, not a rule at all.... |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:49:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Your right to carry ends where my rights to private property start. I don't own a shopping mall, and you'd be welcome to carry at my home - but their place, their rules is more than reasonable. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 10:00:07 AM EDT
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Finally, someone who gets it. If you are open to the public, then be open to the public. Don't pick and choose what aspects of the public you want to have in your business.
it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Until it's legal for me to have a whites only business, a no guns business shouldn't exist either... Ditto. |
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Posted: 1/13/2011 10:01:36 AM EDT
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Finally, someone who gets it. If you are open to the public, then be open to the public. Don't pick and choose what aspects of the public you want to have in your business.
it is sad how quick GD is to jump on the "property rights" bullshit (no property rights arn't bullshit you know what i mean) 1. we aren't talking about residential land at issue is property "Open to the public" (not to be confused with public property) 2. Firearm ownership is a fundamental right (per SCOTUS) and should be treated as such. 3. Anywhere i can legally be I should be able to legally carry. This is the same reason you can't say "no mexicans" are allowed in your store. In many states its the same reason you can't say women can't breast feed in your store. you'd think people here want guns rights banned. what if 99% of corporations/owners banned carry on thier property. You would be resticted to only carrying in your driveway and on public streets Until it's legal for me to have a whites only business, a no guns business shouldn't exist either... Should I be able to express myself by burning an American Flag in the center of the Mall? The First is just as protected as the Second. Anti-discrimination laws are bullshit too. |
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