Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: To quote Jim Carrey in "Liar, Liar" in the scene where one of his regular customers has called him because he's in jail YET AGAIN and is asking for advice, QUIT BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE! www.jimcarreyonline.com/images/albums/movies/liarliar/stills/liarliar-still25.jpg I can't believe I actually found that pic!   CJ I wonder what jimcarreyonline.com thinks of you stealing their bandwidth and content?   ETA:  content PWNED HARD!

Hey speaking of being owned.....you get that STD taken care of yet?

Wow, I hope my ISP isn't keeping tabs on my Bittorrent habbits.....they might get the idea that I'm opening up a porn video store

CommunistCast. Welcome to big brother. Enjoy your stay.

I download quite a bit using my cable modem at home.  Mostly individual TV shows so I can watch them here at work.   Recently downloaded Band of Brothers, but I own the box set.   Most everything else, I could record using my VCR and just fast forward through commercials.  

My ISP uses DHCP, so my IP address can change.  I think what I'll try to do is see if there's a good way I can force it to release an IP and obtain a different one... that could be useful!  

Quoted: Tell them that you got rid of the file or never finished downloading it, and that you had no intention of sharing it.   Get it resolved, then switch ISPs.

Quoted: Dear COMCAST: I access the internet by way of a wireless router.   I appear to have failed to secure my router properly, and it seems that my router was allowing some neighbor to sign on and steal my internet access.   I have reset my router, and configured it to block all wireless access except from my own MAC address.   If there was an infringing use, it was not me and I have taken appropriate steps to end the situation.  Thank you.

+1 Tag

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I access the internet by way of a wireless router. I like the way you think... HOWEVER, routers of any type (wireless or wired) are not "supported" by most cable companies. Therefore, they can still say tough titties, cut you for breach of AUP, and turn your ass over to the MPAA. Really?   I have COMCAST, and they helped me set up my wireless router.

Don't know how Comcast runs things, but in my neck of the woods Cox Communications and Pacific Bell (Roadrunner/Yahoo conglomeration of some type) also state that they do not support it, but it's by no means a breach of any agreement.  They simply do not want to be providing tech support for something they didn't sell to you or install.  Similar to how I can turn in my cable modem right now and stop paying the $10 a month rental (which I really need to do) and go buy a Linksys cable modem, but if the presonally owned modem goes kaput I can't complain to them tell them to fix it or have them send me a new one.

Quoted: My ISP uses DHCP, so my IP address can change.  I think what I'll try to do is see if there's a good way I can force it to release an IP and obtain a different one... that could be useful!

Now, don't lay into me for bringing AOL into the discussion here...

Back in the day when everybody dialed up for their service I had AOL.  Obviously you didn't have a static IP, but if you went and started doing whatever it was considered by AOL to be 'bad things' they had the ability to find out which account was connected to which IP at whatever time said bad things were done.  I'm sure that even for broadband users with dynamic IPs your ISP can still track down who was connected if they're given a timeframe.  That is, in tReznr's case, 21 Mar 2006 00:43:44 EST (GMT -0500).

Quoted: My ISP uses DHCP, so my IP address can change.  I think what I'll try to do is see if there's a good way I can force it to release an IP and obtain a different one... that could be useful!

Nah, they still have your physical MAC address that they associated with the IP they gave you. Now on the other hand, some Ethernet cards let you change your MAC address. Not sure if that would solve the problem.

It just occured to me...you think the MPAA would go after my college library if I was downloading torrents one their public, wireless, state funded connection?  I don't need an account or anything.  Just boot up my laptop with automagic network discovery...MAC address be damned.

The library may have the top level torrent sites blocked, but with DHT set to announce I'm sure it won't be a problem if I can just get the tracker from some other unblocked site.

REPEAT AFTER ME!!!
i dont know what your talking about, i have a wireless router, and maybe someone is hacking it..

Quoted: Quoted: On this thread someone mentions PeerGuardian as a way of covering your tracks from that type of thing..I've never tried it so I can't vouch for it www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=448336 I don't think peerguardian would block this.  If the tracker is recording IPs and saving them to a list, then the ISP is being subpoenaed to find out who owns that ISP, having peerguardian wont do anything.

Add a wireless router and download to a laptop. Then tell them it wasn't you, maybe one of your neighbors did it.

Quoted: REPEAT AFTER ME!!! i dont know what your talking about, i have a wireless router, and maybe someone is hacking it..

EXACTLY. and if you don't have a wireless GET ONE

Hmmm. My reply would be to them:

"Dear Comcast,

01000111011011110010000001000110010101010100001101001011001000000111100101101111011101010111001001110011011001010110110001110110011001010111001100100001

Thank you,
[NAME HERE]"

Quoted: Why don't you try obeying the law for a change? Torrenting copyrighted works is simply stating to the world "I'm a spoiled brat who thinks my right to watch some show supersedes the law!" It's not worth it.    Grow up. CJ

"Hi, cmjohnson, I'm Diane Feinstein. How about you hand over your firearms that we'd like to ban and obey the law. It's not worth it. Grow up. Become a sheeple!"



Also, CJ, you're stealing photos from jimcarryonline.com. You're a model for your own words...

Quoted: Hmmm. My reply would be to them: "Dear Comcast, 01000111011011110010000001000110010101010100001101001011001000000111100101101111011101010111001001110011011001010110110001110110011001010111001100100001 Thank you, [NAME HERE]"

HAHAHAHA

Go FUCK yourselves!

Funny shit

Quoted: I have COMCAST, and they helped me set up my wireless router.

Heh. I guess YMMV. I have Adelphia (sux) and they've said that they do not support routers. They want  an unfettered link between PC and modem so the Indian first level support droids can read from their green screens without complications.

Quoted: Honest question from someone who is not a lawyer:  Why is downloading a torrent for personal use illegal but making a copy at home using a VCR or TIVO for personal use legal?

Because Hollywood has lots of money and has been able to buy politicians into passing this insane laws, that violate the intent of trademark and copyright law as outlined in the Constitution. On VCR & TIVO, they get royalties and licensing so it is OK.  On torrent, they got nothing. Like the man said, follow the money.

Of course what none of the media companies bothers to think about is how about if they allowed cable companies to deliver content in a bittorrent type fashion. I think it would be a much preferred system to what cable companies do now and instead of fighting and alienating consumers, they could be making $$$$.

Quoted: The DMCA is a joke.

Oh, the DMCA is no joke.  It is some sinister shit.  Look on Slashdot sometime to see discussion on just how draconian and far-reaching it is.  

I normally don't subscribe to their robin hood / socialist attitudes toward capitalism, but the DMCA is some fucked up shit.

Quoted: Quoted: I access the internet by way of a wireless router. I like the way you think... HOWEVER, routers of any type (wireless or wired) are not "supported" by most cable companies. Therefore, they can still say tough titties, cut you for breach of AUP, and turn your ass over to the MPAA.

Really, my ISP is now giving away wireless routers to get customers to go to them.

OK, let me see if I can shed some light on this for you all sicne I worked for a cable company for several years......

1) EVERY ISP can track what you do online, it goes through them... They dont activly watch and there are rules they have to follow. I didnt send out letters, but when someone called about no connection, I could tell why they were shut down, and on more than several occasions it was cause they were downloading something.  As there ISP, I was able to tell them WHAT they were downloading.

2) Letters like that are just a letter, as someone said erlier, a "scare tactic" from the networks. Most ISP's could care less what you do online. But they get pressured from the networks and FCC and well, if they didnt do these things, they could get shutdown. Your not going to get a "no knock" search warrent over this.... You will get something from the networks legal department when there serious. Just be carefull, and move it off your main HDD when your done, as in another HDD or CD/DVD.......

3) For whoever said "there router wasnt secured..blah blah blah", ISP's DONT CARE!!! Its up to you to secure your own stuff, you are held liable for whats downloaded if your name is on the account.

Any other questions? Ask away.....

To answer the question of how they got your ip adress:  

When you connect to a torrent you can immediately see all of the ip addresses of the seeders and leechers for that file.  So what probably happened was , someone affiliated with HBO connected to the torrent and made record of all the ip addresses in the swarm.  The IP address will let them know who your ISP is and they will forward a letter to your ISP informing them of the infraction.  It is then up to your ISP to decide how to handle it.  I know in my state (mi) comcast did not comply with the subpena(s), took it to court, and won.

For public trackers I stay away from new movies and big name shows like the sopranos.  The safest way to download is from newsgroups and private trackers.  Your sopranos file was a release from the group "lol".  This group usually has their files on newsgroups before they make it to public trackers.  Downloading from newsgroups is also untraceable.

dont sweat it at all. i have gotten 2 of these emails

from isp abuse tracking system

isp has been notified by a copyright owner that your internet account has been involved in the exchange of unauthorized copies of copyrighted material. We are enclosing a copy of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act    [dmca] notice that isp received from the copyright holder.

It is possible that this activity has occurred without your permission or knowledge by an unauthorized user a minor who may not fully understand the copyright laws, or even as a result of a computer virus. However as a ips account owner you can be held liable for this activity.

WE ask that you take immediate action to remove the infringing material from your computer and stop its exchange. If isp continues to recieve DMCA notices regarding your account or if you violate any other clause of ISP acceptable use policy, we will have no choice but to terminate your account.  

Sincerely,

ISP High Speed Internet Security Team




Dear Sir or Madam,

The BSA has determined that a connection listed below which appears to bo using an internet account under your control is using a bit torrent network to offer unlicensed copies of copyrighted computer programs published by the BSA's member companies.




Date found June 10, 2005
Network is BT Peers
IP address 00.00
IP port 6881
Protocol bit torrent
User name
Content being offered
File name MS Office XP with CD key.torrent office XP
File size 404,601k

The above computer program(s) in/are being made available for copying, through downloading, at the above location without authorization from the copyright owners.

Based on BSA's representation of the copyright owners in anti-piracy matters, we have a good faith belief that none of the materials or activities list above have been authorized by the right holders, their agents, or the law.  BSA represents that the information in this notification is accurate and states, under penalty of perjury, that it is authorized to act in the matter on behalf of the copyright owners listed above.

We appreciate your cooperation in this matter. Please advise us regarding what actions you take.

this it the short version, the email was really 2 pages long  I never responded to any of them and
have never heard a word

The thing is they sent you that notice without ever knowing if you subscribe to HBO. For instance sometimes I will DVR a show but want to watch it in the bedroom where I don't have the DVR so I Torrent it and play it on my media player in the bedroom. So tell me what laws have I broken. None in my mind. I just shifted a show from one format to another using the internet. Now in their eye's I have violated the DMCA. I really hope that soon the MPAA and RIAA crumble because they are far worse than the gun grabbers.

Quoted: The thing is they sent you that notice without ever knowing if you subscribe to HBO. For instance sometimes I will DVR a show but want to watch it in the bedroom where I don't have the DVR so I Torrent it and play it on my media player in the bedroom. So tell me what laws have I broken. None in my mind. I just shifted a show from one format to another using the internet. Now in their eye's I have violated the DMCA. I really hope that soon the MPAA and RIAA crumble because they are far worse than the gun grabbers.

to play devils advocate:

Your not only downloading but also uploading the file to others.  So you are probably providing copies to others who did not have a subscription to HBO.  I don't think its possible to not upload while your downloading.

I am glad I work for my ISP.  There is not a damn thing they can do about anything I download.  Bring it, MPAA, RIAA, and HBO.

I am going to go download this seasons episodes of the sopranos now, just because.

It is possible to not upload but it is frowned upon. See thats the problem here I should not have to police who has HBO or not or wether they can recieve NBC with rabbit ears on top of thier trailer house in the middle of kentucky. The MPAA or RIAA needs to offer an alternitive to the 1.99 itunes NBC shows. Why should I pay to watch it in one format when I get it in another for free.

My understanding is that they only go after the people who share and allow uploads. If you share then you have opened your system to them to look into your hard drive and see what you have. They are constantly scanning the universe for systems sharing (distributing).  After they find the sharers then they get you for downloading next.

I have also heard of people playing dumb and saying they have a wireless router that isn't encrypted, hence open to your neighbors who may have downloaded the offending files...

Best thing to do is to pay the .99 for a song, or rip your own cd for your own use.

Quoted: Quoted: Honest question from someone who is not a lawyer:  Why is downloading a torrent for personal use illegal but making a copy at home using a VCR or TIVO for personal use legal? Because Hollywood has lots of money and has been able to buy politicians into passing this insane laws, that violate the intent of trademark and copyright law as outlined in the Constitution. On VCR & TIVO, they get royalties and licensing so it is OK.  On torrent, they got nothing. Like the man said, follow the money.

What about libraries where you can check out videos? They aren't charging for them. How's that work?

You be in trouble.......

Quoted: They know what your downloading.

Indeed.

Every move you make online is tracked by somebody somewhere. The very nature of internet traffic dictates that everything is traceable back to individual IP adresses.

When using a torrent client, I can see the IPs of those who are sending to me and downloading from me. It isn't hard to figure out who the IP range belongs to, and then send them a copyright violation notice, which they will dutifully follow up on.

Generally the MPAA only gets pissy if you are sharing. If you don't configure your client not to share, it is set to do so automatically.

Quoted: It just occured to me...you think the MPAA would go after my college library if I was downloading torrents one their public, wireless, state funded connection?

They have done so in the past. In fact, university networks are targeted by MPAA scans all the time. And most universities have a policy of giving the MPAA whatever they want.

I don't need an account or anything.  Just boot up my laptop with automagic network discovery...MAC address be damned.

Your movements are still logged even with your laptop on a wireless network on most campuses. And most require some form of authentication before you have access to their network.

I received much the same letter from Universal Studios (via Cox Cable) for downloading/uploading BSG with Bittorrent.

I have since stopped my piratey ways, and have reformed myself.

Quoted: I have since stopped my piratey ways

Arrr, can ye smell it shipmates?

i stopped downloaded a while back after doing a reverse ip lookup on those i was downloading from...


bearshare allowed you to see the ip of other users.  whois gave me the name of a company, and google showed me that this particular company was working with the RIAA to stop file sharing.  in other words, a good portion of the files available to download were being hosted indirectly by the RIAA and put out simply as a fishing expedition.

I like SBC, they dont care what you download.

Quoted: Quoted: To quote Jim Carrey in "Liar, Liar" in the scene where one of his regular customers has called him because he's in jail YET AGAIN and is asking for advice, QUIT BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE! www.jimcarreyonline.com/images/albums/movies/liarliar/stills/liarliar-still25.jpg I can't believe I actually found that pic!   CJ I wonder what jimcarreyonline.com thinks of you stealing their bandwidth and content?   ETA:  content

Ooh, good catch.

Quoted: Quoted: The thing is they sent you that notice without ever knowing if you subscribe to HBO. For instance sometimes I will DVR a show but want to watch it in the bedroom where I don't have the DVR so I Torrent it and play it on my media player in the bedroom. So tell me what laws have I broken. None in my mind. I just shifted a show from one format to another using the internet. Now in their eye's I have violated the DMCA. I really hope that soon the MPAA and RIAA crumble because they are far worse than the gun grabbers. to play devils advocate: Your not only downloading but also uploading the file to others.  So you are probably providing copies to others who did not have a subscription to HBO.  I don't think its possible to not upload while your downloading.

It can be argued that you are only uploading small pieces.  I don't know if there is any way to reconstruct who sent what.

Could you be accused of copyright infringment if you post a few quotes or a page from a book online?  I don't think so.  But if you post the whole book, sure.  

What RIAA.org should look like -

Quoted: Trying to sling mud at me doesn't make you any cleaner.

No, but it is fun to needle holier-than-thou net-nannies.

Quoted: I don't think jimcarreyonline cares in the slightest.   And there's no actual law against linking to pictures from other websites anyway. But there ARE laws against piracy of TV programs. Trying to sling mud at me doesn't make you any cleaner. CJ

I'm not slinging mud, just pointing out your hypocrisy (and apparently your moral relativism, as well).

Quoted: I don't think jimcarreyonline cares in the slightest.   And there's no actual law against linking to pictures from other websites anyway. But there ARE laws against piracy of TV programs. Trying to sling mud at me doesn't make you any cleaner. CJ

You need to quit digging...

I had planned to point out your argument on another thread that Deb LaFave (The hot teacher that screwed her student) shouldn't have been arrested because her student probably enjoyed the sex despite the fact that she broke the law but I didn't want to hijack this thread.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=447827&page=5

Quoted: Quoted: My ISP uses DHCP, so my IP address can change.  I think what I'll try to do is see if there's a good way I can force it to release an IP and obtain a different one... that could be useful!   Nah, they still have your physical MAC address that they associated with the IP they gave you. Now on the other hand, some Ethernet cards let you change your MAC address. Not sure if that would solve the problem.

nope, because the MAC they see is the one for the cable/dsl modem

Quoted: On Tuesday I used isohunt.com to find a torrent for Sunday's episode of The Sopranos.  On Wednesday I got the following email entitled "Notice of Claim of Copyright Infringement": Notice of Action under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Abuse Incident Number:      NA0000001172227 Report Date/Time:           Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:29:58 -0500 tReznr xxx xxxx xxxxx  EDITED OUT BY ME BEAUFORT, SC  29906 Dear Comcast High-Speed Internet Subscriber: Comcast has received a notification of claimed infringement made under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (the 'DMCA').  This notification, made by a copyright owner or its authorized agent, reports an alleged infringement of one or more copyrighted works made on or over Comcast's High-Speed Internet service (the 'Service').  The works identified in the notification of claimed infringement are listed below.  In accordance with the DMCA and Comcast's Acceptable Use Policy, Comcast request that you immediately remove the allegedly infringing works from the Service or Comcast will be forced to remove or block access to the works. If you believe in good faith that the allegedly infringing works have been removed or blocked by mistake or misidentification, then you may send a counter notification to Comcast.  Upon Comcast's receipt of a counter notification that satisfies the requirements of the DMCA, Comcast will provide a copy of the counter notification to the party who sent the original notification of claimed infringement.  We will then follow the DMCA's procedures with respect to a received counter notification. For more information regarding Comcast's copyright infringement policy, procedures, and contact information, please read our Acceptable Use Policy by clicking on the Terms of Service link at http://www.comcast.net. Sincerely, Comcast Network Abuse and Observance Team Copyright work(s) identified in the notification of claimed infringement: Infringing Work: Sopranos, The Filepath: The.Sopranos.S06E02.HDTV.XviD-LOL.avi.torrent Filename: The.Sopranos.S06E02.HDTV.XviD-LOL.avi First Found: 21 Mar 2006 00:43:44 EST (GMT -0500) Last Found: 21 Mar 2006 00:43:44 EST (GMT -0500) Filesize: 358,688k IP Address: XX.XX.XXX.XX  EDITED OUT BY ME IP Port: 24036 Network: BTPeers Protocol: BitTorrent Like I said, I initially used isohunt to find the torrent and used bit-torrent to download the file.  It was downloading very slow so I ended the torrent and switched over to azureus to download. So how did comcast get involved with all of this?

Even if you're not guilty do you understand the costs involved in defending (in federal court) a copy right infringement suit?

It's not joke I can tell you that, if they file you have 21 days to answer the complaint in Federal court.
Any lawyer competent to defend such an action will charge you about $4500.00 to file the answer.
Ignore the complaint after it's served and you get a nice fat default judgment entered against you and everything you own.

i got one of those back when cable was att @home...  apparently i was sucking up  83% of my loops bandwidth(yes they actually gave me a number, pathetic) and then told me the info of my FTP and demanded a password so they could "investigate it"   so i made them a BS account on a seperate drive...   sigh...  morons, simply morons.(i figured they might cut my connection if i didnt "comply", hehehe i complied)


seriously though, downloading stuff online is bad. it cuts into the millions of dollars rich ppl get... every time you download a movie or a song they loose 0.25 cents...  think of their children!  they wont be able to get 4 xbox 360s to match their 4 faceplates...  they wont be able to play on their quad SLi gaming computers...

Quoted: Tell them that you got rid of the file or never finished downloading it, and that you had no intention of sharing it.   Get it resolved, then switch ISPs.

yeah but bittorrent is uploading segments of the file as your downloading it.

Quoted: yah what i cant figure out is why the morons who create these torrents use the real friggin name... ITS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN TELL WHAT THE FILE IS

Yeah......   right.


Keep telling yourself that.