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Posted: 10/8/2022 11:23:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree completely. Anderson Manufacturing must get the price under $300. Knock-off $25 for each of the four missing serrations and we're almost there. One of the most well-received aspects of the $299.99 Compact DaggerTM is the frame. The Compact DaggerTM frame and an OEM Glock G19 frame share the same grip angle. However, the unique ergonomics of the Compact DaggerTM frame make it handle as if the grip angle is very different. And people who don't care for the Glock angle can get a Poly80. The Poly80 points like my Sig. |
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Posted: 10/9/2022 6:34:43 AM EDT
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Excellent OP and informative thread.
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Posted: 10/9/2022 6:51:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Want the 22lr version, or at least the slide .22 LR DaggerTMor an offering from Anderson Manufacturing? The dagger. |
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Posted: 10/9/2022 12:10:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: THE SCT frame takes magpul magwells and has its own magwell coming. We have dealer pricing available and could hook up a Arf discount on them |
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Posted: 10/9/2022 12:24:45 PM EDT
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I'm hearing that the SCT 19 frame is compatible with the Strike Industries Strike 80 C magwell,
Strike Industries Strike 80 C MagwellCan anyone confirm this? @Bryan_Aim? And Bryan, Can you please comment on which Magpul magwell is compatible with the SCT 19 frame? Is it this one? Magpul GL Enhanced Magazine Well for Glock 19 gen3 |
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Posted: 10/9/2022 12:26:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Slightly off-topic, but I'd alluded to the Combat Armory G19 gen3 frame in my original post in this thread as another popular serialized G19 gen3 frame. The Combat Armory frame has been extremely well received. As with the Kiger 9C / SCT 19 frame, it's compatible with OEM Glock and aftermarket parts intended for a G19 gen3 frame. The Combat Armory frame has very good compatibility with G19 holsters. And the Combat Armory frame is compatible with magwells and grip plugs intended for a G19 gen3 frame. Combat Armory announced today that the $44.99 G19 gen3 frame (without locking block) will be back in stock soon! Stripped Pistol Frame For Gen 3 Glock 19/23/32 Parts Compatible I kinda like the look of these and the apparent holster compatibility. But, why do they have the right side cut out for an ambidextrous slide catch if they're for Gen 3 Glock 19? |
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Posted: 10/9/2022 12:44:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I kinda like the look of these and the apparent holster compatibility. But, why do they have the right side cut out for an ambidextrous slide catch if they're for Gen 3 Glock 19? I'm holding a Combat Armory G19 gen3 frame in my hand. There is no slide catch cutout on the right side of the Combat Armory G19 gen3 frame. Sorry for the confusion. |
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Posted: 10/9/2022 12:51:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great catch! That photo of the right side of the Combat Armory G19 gen3 frame is Photoshop'd. Clearly, Combat Armory was too lazy to take a picture of the right side of the frame. They simply flipped the picture of the left side of the frame horizontally. I took the picture directly from the Combat Armory web site. I've updated my original post (in this thread) to include a (non-Photoshop'd) picture of the left side of the frame. I'm holding a Combat Armory G19 gen3 frame in my hand. There is no slide catch cutout on the right side of the Combat Armory G19 gen3 frame. Sorry for the confusion. LOL, I was looking but not seeing, should have noticed the mag catch slot. Not on you dude, they put the reversed image up. |
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Posted: 10/9/2022 2:10:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The dagger. The post saying "9 months out" was from almost nine months ago. ?? We know that the upcoming Micro DaggerTM is a G43X "clone". However, we don't know if there will be any commonality between the .22 LR DaggerTM and an OEM Glock G44. Same upper slide assembly internal parts? Same barrel design? Same recoil spring assembly design? Compatible with an OEM Glock G44 magazine or ProMag 18/25-round G44 magazine? Of course, an OEM Glock G44 upper slide assembly is intended to work with an OEM Glock G19 gen5 frame (with a minor modification in the area of the locking block). An OEM Glock G44 ejector is actually quite similar to an OEM Glock G19 gen3 ejector. However, there could be a change in this area. Jason Pittman joined PSA in July 2019 from Taurus. Jason was the lead designer of the TaurusTX 22. Jason was the lead designer of the PSA 5.7 Rock. We can only hope Jason is involved in the design of the .22 LR DaggerTM. However, I could see how that might be a conflict of interest. A .22 LR Glock G19 conversion isn't easy. An optic-ready .22 LR Glock G19 conversion is even more challenging. And thankless, especially given the DaggerTM target audience. They're going to expect the .22 LR DaggerTM to function reliably with a 1.5 oz Holosun HS507C-X2 and the cheapest bucket of .22 LR ammo they can find. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 5:11:42 PM EDT
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I added Grove Gun Shop as an online seller of the Kiger 9C (another data point in terms of price),
Grove Gun Shop ANDERSON KIGER 9C HGA 9MM 3.91 IN BBL 1/15RD MAGPUL MAGSpartan Defense has delisted the Kiger 9C from their web site, Spartan Defense 2nd Amendment Wholesale has delisted the Kiger 9C from their web site, 2nd Amendment Wholesale All of the online sellers are using my clandestine photographs of the Kiger 9C. I can't find any other pictures of the Kiger 9C on the Internet. I can only assume Anderson Manufacturing is encouraging these online sellers to take down their product listings until October 25. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:40:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:42:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:51:33 PM EDT
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strange looking pvs14
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Posted: 10/10/2022 9:48:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThank you Bryan for all the information you've shared regarding the new SCT Manufacturing SCT 19 G19 gen3 frame and the upcoming Anderson Manufacturing Kiger 9C G19 gen3 pistol. If you do decide to offer an ARFCOM / Aim Surplus discount on the SCT 19 frame and/or the Kiger 9C pistol, please let us know. I can direct a few sales your way. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 9:55:07 PM EDT
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I have and like the combat armory G19 lower a lot, it’s my EDC when I don’t need to worry about printing
Brian, what kinda price point is the SCT lower for ARFCOM Peps? |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 9:58:22 PM EDT
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I love the P80 but the gen3 mag release sucks. I found a nice compromise in the Shadow Systems MR series.
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Posted: 10/10/2022 10:12:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love the P80 but the gen3 mag release sucks. I found a nice compromise in the Shadow Systems MR series. |
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Posted: 10/11/2022 12:12:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brian, what kinda price point is the SCT lower for ARFCOM Peps? |
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Posted: 10/11/2022 8:48:30 AM EDT
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i can do them for $42 for arf, St croix
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Posted: 10/11/2022 9:36:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Compact DaggerTM G19 gen3 magazine release is really bad ... extremely stiff, sharp edges. In the resting position, there's considerably more tension on the magazine release spring (red arrow) in the Compact DaggerTM frame than on the magazine release spring (green arrow) in the OEM Glock G19 gen3 frame, Wow! Great pictures, and perfectly illustrating the point. Nice work. |
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Posted: 10/11/2022 10:44:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i can do them for $42 for arf, and can discount the Anderson guns to PM BRYAN |
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Posted: 10/11/2022 11:49:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So as in the past, ARFCOM members simply IM you their order number? please email it to bryan at aimsurplus.com , we ship so fast that I need to get on it fast |
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Posted: 10/11/2022 11:58:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two things. 1. If they made the serrations thinner, they could have for a lot more on the slide 2. The fuck is a “ thumb accelerator pad”? I assume its the bump for your support hand thumb to rest on. I fondled a CZ Tactical Sport with one - it feels SO right !!! |
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Posted: 10/11/2022 11:59:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: please email it to bryan at aimsurplus.com , we ship so fast that I need to get on it fast Can we revisit an earlier question I had ... I'm hearing that the SCT 19 frame is compatible with the Strike Industries Strike 80 C magwell, Strike Industries Strike 80 C MagwellCan you confirm this? Can you please comment on which Magpul magwell is compatible with the SCT 19 frame? Is it this one? Magpul GL Enhanced Magazine Well for Glock 19 gen3And I understand that SCT Manufacturing is developing a magwell specifically for the SCT 19 frame. |
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Posted: 10/11/2022 1:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got it! Thank you. Can we revisit an earlier question I had ... I'm hearing that the SCT 19 frame is compatible with the Strike Industries Strike 80 C magwell, Strike Industries Strike 80 C MagwellCan you confirm this? Can you please comment on which Magpul magwell is compatible with the SCT 19 frame? Is it this one? Magpul GL Enhanced Magazine Well for Glock 19 gen3And I understand that SCT Manufacturing is developing a magwell specifically for the SCT 19 frame. Strike Magwell for STRIKE80 Frame doesn't fit MAGPUL MAG940 fits, but you can see the mag cutouts at some angles. 
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Posted: 10/11/2022 1:49:57 PM EDT
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that Anderson grip looks more like a 2x4 than what people complain the Glock grip is
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Posted: 10/11/2022 1:52:01 PM EDT
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That is hideous
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Posted: 10/11/2022 3:22:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Strike Magwell for STRIKE80 Frame doesn't fit MAGPUL MAG940 fits, but you can see the mag cutouts at some angles. I guess I'll just wait for SCT Manufacturing to develop a magwell specifically for the SCT 19 frame. |
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Posted: 10/11/2022 3:27:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are the AR15 of pistols. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whats the point of another glock? Its the same size and shape, but likely wont be compatible with glock holsters but wont improve ergonomics. It will use the same internals, which means it will have a staple gun trigger. They are the AR15 of pistols. Glock makes AR15s now, only fair everybody makes a Glock. |
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Posted: 10/11/2022 6:19:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you, Bryan! And you'd agree that it would be the Magpul MAG940 magwell that SCT Manufacturing is referring to as being compatible with the SCT 19 frame, correct? There's isn't some other Magpul magwell that we should be evaluating? I guess I'll just wait for SCT Manufacturing to develop a magwell specifically for the SCT 19 frame. I have seen the SCT magwell and I would wait for it, and it will be priced cheaper than the others also. |
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Posted: 10/11/2022 6:23:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2022 12:10:42 AM EDT
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I spent all my Glock money on an aftermarket slide and dot-sight for the G17.
I now no longer have to hold high-right to hit anything with a Glock.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/12/2022 12:19:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this is my personal test frame that I used the last 6 months, I had this frame textured on our laser engraver. https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/h52/flanntastic/IMG_7900.heic?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/h52/flanntastic/IMG_7901.heic?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds |
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Posted: 10/12/2022 3:33:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yooo that looks great with the front and back straps blended in. Throw a few more frames in that thing for us... This! |
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Posted: 10/12/2022 3:37:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yooo that looks great with the front and back straps blended in. Throw a few more frames in that thing for us... I wonder why companies don’t do full wrap textures. It seems like it would be easy to adapt to the current stippling trends. |
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Posted: 10/12/2022 4:13:28 PM EDT
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we thought about offering them pre textured but they would need to be $150 total to make it worth the time invested, it would take him a week to do 20
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Posted: 10/12/2022 6:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder why companies don’t do full wrap textures. It seems like it would be easy to adapt to the current stippling trends. The Compact DaggerTM and Combat Armory frames have a similar backstrap, more like an OEM Glock G19. The back of the SCT 19 frame is straight. The Compact DaggerTM frame has one finger groove. As with any combination of finger grooves, some guys like 'em. Other guys don't. It's hard to find one-size-fits-all when it comes to finger grooves. Neither the SCT 19 nor Combat Armory frames have finger grooves. What really sets the Compact DaggerTM frame apart is the palm swell on the sides (in addition to a slight taper in the sides towards the front and rear of the frame). The Combat Armory frame is compatible with the G19 gen3 magwell (SLR Rifleworks) and grip plug (Pearce) I tried. I'd expect the Combat Armory frame is compatible with most magwells and grip plugs intended for an OEM Glock G19 gen3 frame. I had SLR Rifleworks develop a magwell specifically for the Compact DaggerTM frame. That's the only commercially-available Compact DaggerTM magwell at the moment (excluding a 3D-printed magwell). And the SCT 19 frame doesn't have a good magwell option at the moment. However, SCT Manufacturing is in the process of developing one. |
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Posted: 10/12/2022 11:02:48 PM EDT
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Thanks OP! I much prefer the grip of the Poly80 to that of the Glock, so this offering interests me.
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Posted: 10/12/2022 11:23:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks OP! I much prefer the grip of the Poly80 to that of the Glock, so this offering interests me. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 6:05:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it the grip of the Polymer80 frame that you like or the Polymer80 frame grip angle? Possibly both? None of the frames I've discussed in this thread (OEM Glock G19, Kiger 9C / SCT 19, Combat Armory, and Compact DaggerTM) share the Polymer80 frame grip angle. The Kiger 9C / SCT 19 frame is definitely Polymer80 "brisk-ish". However, the grip angle is Glock-ish. I'm anxiously awaiting my SCT 19 frame. Should be here first thing next week. I went Poly80 because the grip angle is not glockish. I shoot Sigs also and the the poly80 matches the pointing of those. I do have a glock and they point low unless that is what you train to all the time. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 11:04:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I went Poly80 because the grip angle is not glockish. I shoot Sigs also and the the poly80 matches the pointing of those. I do have a glock and they point low unless that is what you train to all the time. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 12:30:52 PM EDT
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The Combat Armory G19 gen3 frame (with locking block) is back in stock,
Combat Armory Stripped Pistol Lower / Frame For Gen 3 Glock 19/23/32 Parts Compatible Locking Block Included |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 6:04:57 PM EDT
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I like the poly 80 locking block used in the dagger also.
It is better than the Glock design in my opinion and appears to be easier to produce. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 6:30:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Compact DaggerTM G19 gen3 magazine release is really bad ... extremely stiff, sharp edges. In the resting position, there's considerably more tension on the magazine release spring (red arrow) in the Compact DaggerTM frame than on the magazine release spring (green arrow) in the OEM Glock G19 gen3 frame, That's unfortunate. The gen4 magazine release is really the only major benefit over anything based on a gen3 design. I hope more of the newer frames are able to adopt it |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:10:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I like the poly 80 locking block used in the dagger also. It is better than the Glock design in my opinion and appears to be easier to produce. It took PSA almost one year to get the Compact DaggerTM locking block design correct (Locking Block #3 depicted below). Earlier revisions of the Compact DaggerTM locking block were allowing barrel feed ramps to come in contact with the front lip of the magazine, disengaging the magazine release, and causing the magazine to fall out. It's believed the most recently redesigned Compact DaggerTM locking block was incorporated into production in the late March / early April 2022 timeframe.
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:38:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's unfortunate. The gen4 magazine release is really the only major benefit over anything based on a gen3 design. I hope more of the newer frames are able to adopt it One of the most exciting things about the PSA Micro DaggerTM (G43X "clone") is the fact that it's based on what amounts to a gen5 pistol. PSA is reverse-engineering as many OEM Glock G43X parts as possible. However, with some parts, PSA is having to work around active Glock patents. Hopefully, more companies will have the courage to tackle patented gen4 and gen5 designs. Of course, the most exciting thing about the Micro DaggerTM is the patented 15-round polymer G43X/G48 magazine (which is compatible with an OEM polymer magazine release). So while PSA may be borrowing from Glock, if the Micro DaggerTM magazine proves to be highly reliable, PSA is also making a major contribution to the greater Glock community. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:50:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer rails that are molded into the frame (as with the OEM Glock, Combat Armory, SCT / Anderson Manufacturing, ... frames). Otherwise, the rails subject the pins to more loading which, in turn, may cause the pins to walk out. And hence the Compact DaggerTM use of trigger housing and locking block roll pins and the need to redesign the trigger pin to have wider and deeper notches in an attempt to fix the infamous walking trigger pin issue. It took PSA almost one year to get the Compact DaggerTM locking block design correct (Locking Block #3 depicted below). Earlier revisions of the Compact DaggerTM locking block were allowing barrel feed ramps to come in contact with the front lip of the magazine, disengaging the magazine release, and causing the magazine to fall out. It's believed the most recently redesigned Compact DaggerTM locking block was incorporated into production in the late March / early April 2022 timeframe. https://www.glocktalk.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=700,height=700,fit=scale-down/https://www.glocktalk.com/attachments/1653320835057-png.1070209/ Glock Gen3s solve the trigger pin walking issue by having the slide stop pivot in a groove like the AR pins having a spring that engages in their grooves. The catch spring forces the catch to slip ever so slightly into the notched pin which holds it in place. I have not looked at the front locking block pin close enough to decide if it is anything more than a friction fit. Roll pins work also for the locking block because they spring out and friction fit. It does appear the Dagger block is slightly different than the P80. I will have to look more closely at my P80 to see if I can really tell. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:51:27 PM EDT
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I'm hoping someone will test fit the new frame in a GCode Phenom Stealth holster before I order one. Either that or the Combat Armory frame without the locking block to come back in stock. I would really like to switch to a 19 for cold weather carry using my current holster if possible and no one makes a P80 holster that I care for.
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:12:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glock Gen3s solve the trigger pin walking issue by having the slide stop pivot in a groove
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:16:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Either that or the Combat Armory frame without the locking block to come back in stock. |
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