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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:32:17 AM EDT
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A lot of people like the thinness of the shield for appendix carry. I shoot the 26 better than the shield. This. except, I prefer G27 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:36:23 AM EDT
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The Glock cant do this with its poor grip angle http://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/kiss-kiss-bang-bang-val-kilmer-crotch-gun.gif That is also Hollywood. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:38:13 AM EDT
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I'm still holding out for a single stack 9mm Glock.
Till then, G19. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:40:06 AM EDT
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OK, and I'm glad you brought that up; that is one of the only situations where I can see it being better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I put the shield in my pocket. OK, and I'm glad you brought that up; that is one of the only situations where I can see it being better. Non permissive environment for me means AIWB carry is a must. AIWB carry for me means a manual safety, but YMMV. Sure wish Glock offered that as a factory option. Another arfcom thread brought this to my attention and it may be of interest to some here. Also, if you see the Shield as an upgrade for a Jframe (similar size + greater capacity, faster reloads and thinner) VS comparing it with a chopped compact it really shines in that niche. There are many times, temperatures and situations where I would leave behind larger double stack autos in favor of the smaller lighter Jframe. A shield is IMO a better compromise (and all CC guns are a compromise) than a Jframe or something in .380. ETA pics of Jframe and Shield here |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:40:50 AM EDT
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Never understood why Glock even made the G26. It is like a worthless chambering of the .40 between a .45 and 9mm.
Carry a G19 or actually go smaller with the Shield. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:41:59 AM EDT
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Sure wish Glock offered that as a factory option. I wish Glock would offer a manual safety option on all of their guns... just to watch the Glock fanboy apoplexy. 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:43:13 AM EDT
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I'm still holding out for a single stack 9mm Glock. Till then, G19. Same Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:46:31 AM EDT
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I've only shot a .40 Shield and it was a snappy little thing.
I'm just waiting on the single stack 9 Glock. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:48:01 AM EDT
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The Shield and Walther PPS are very similar in size.
I have both and prefer to carry them to the G19. The Shield required a bit of extra work with the addition of Apex trigger parts and a Talon grip. The Talon grip made a significant difference as it made it so the gun stopped squirreling in my hand upon recoil. In a thin kydex holster the Shield or PPS is a very easy gun to conceal. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:49:55 AM EDT
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This. except, I prefer G27 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A lot of people like the thinness of the shield for appendix carry. I shoot the 26 better than the shield. This. except, I prefer G27 Same here. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:57:42 AM EDT
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Full size 1911 shoved inside waistband sans holster at appendix carry position FTW.
9 rounds of .45acp in an accurate platform, perfectly concealed. No need to try and re-invent the wheel. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:00:24 AM EDT
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I really don't know what the big attraction is to the Shield. For me, the Glock's length and especially its height advantage, outweigh the Shield's thickness advantage. Shit, I would choose the Glock, even if they had the same capacity, but the Glock holds even more ammo! Bottom line for me: the G26 holds more ammo and is more concealable. Not even a contest. Get the Glock. agreed. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:03:55 AM EDT
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I put the shield in my pocket. Semi autos don't belong in pockets My PM9 seems to like it just fine 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:07:26 AM EDT
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Totally unfair comparison. To compare one of the finest handguns in the world to the SW is like comparing a Bugati to a potato.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:08:35 AM EDT
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Full size 1911 shoved inside waistband sans holster at appendix carry position FTW. 9 rounds of .45acp in an accurate platform, perfectly concealed. No need to try and re-invent the wheel. Do you run or wrestle with a 1911 carried that way? Just wondering..... |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:19:26 AM EDT
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My wife owns a Shield 9MM and it has been a great little pistol.
The trigger is good, with a decent break point and positive reset. However, I do prefer my Glock 19 trigger to that of the Shield. The Shield does have a slightly heavier trigger I believe than the Glock (maybe a lb or 2 lbs). The pistol grip is very slick stock and definitely will require some stippling at some point for her, because she does find herself having to readjust her grip due to the slickness of it when her hands sweat. The slide is very difficult to rack at first due to the dual capture recoil spring and I don't like the disassembly with the little trigger bar. The eight round magazine sleeve slips loose all the time and can make it difficult to seat the mag. I don't feel that either the Glock or the Shield have aggressive enough slide serrations stock. Where the Shield has shined has been in reliability. Although she has a few failures to extract with steel cased 9mm Tula for the most part it has been highly reliable. However, I do have to give my Glock 19 with APEX extractor the edge in reliability as it has only ever failed once in over 1000 rounds. The thing that my wife likes most though about the Shield is the point of aim and the width of the grip for her small hands. The Glock does have a more aggressive lower bore axis and my wife just prefers the higher bore axis of the Shield. The number one thing she likes about it though is the grip size, because she just found my 19's double stack thicker grip too much for her hands. The Shield has performed well. It's accurate. It has surprising little recoil for such a short pistol in part I believe to its dual capture recoil spring assembly (even though that comes with the draw back of a harder to rack slide). I'd say it's a great little pistol for those who just aren't happy with the Glock 19's thickness or ergonomics. The above said, I'm holding out for the single stack Glock 9mm version of the 42 before I go single stack. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:22:46 AM EDT
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Isn't the thickness difference between the G26 and the Shield something like 3.5mm? Are all y'all so short and anorexic that a grain of rice difference makes such an impact on concealment?
Seems like holster selection would make more of an impact on concealment. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:23:31 AM EDT
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Had a Kahr PM9, was fooled by the chanting of the benefits of the Shield. Since I have an M&P45C that I love I got a Shield and sold the Kahr. Carrying a PM9.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:24:10 AM EDT
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My wife owns a Shield 9MM and it has been a great little pistol. The trigger is good, with a decent break point and positive reset. However, I do prefer my Glock 19 trigger to that of the Shield. The Shield does have a slightly heavier trigger I believe than the Glock (maybe a lb or 2 lbs). The pistol grip is very slick stock and definitely will require some stippling at some point for her, because she does find herself having to readjust her grip due to the slickness of it when her hands sweat. The slide is very difficult to rack at first due to the dual capture recoil spring and I don't like the disassembly with the little trigger bar. The eight round magazine sleeve slips loose all the time and can make it difficult to seat the mag. I don't feel that either the Glock or the Shield have aggressive enough slide serrations stock. Where the Shield has shined has been in reliability. Although she has a few failures to extract with steel cased 9mm Tula for the most part it has been highly reliable. However, I do have to give my Glock 19 with APEX extract the edge in reliability as it has only ever failed once in over 1000 rounds. The thing that my wife likes most though about the Shield is the point of aim and the width of the grip for her small hands. The Glock does have a more aggressive lower bore axis and my wife just prefers the higher bore axis of the Shield. The number one thing she likes about it though is the grip size, because she just found my 19's double stack thicker grip to much for her hands. The Shield has performed well. It's accurate. It has surprising little recoil for such a short pistol in part I believe to its dual capture recoil spring assembly (even though that comes with the draw back of a harder to rack slide). I'd say it's a great little pistol for those who just aren't happy with the Glock 19's thickness or ergonomics. The above said, I'm holding out of the single stack Glock 9mm version of the 42 before I go single stack. Check out a Talon grip for the Shield. It adds very little thickness but the difference in grip is striking. The gun no longer squirrels in my hand as I shoot it. http://talongungrips.com/grips/smith-and-wesson/shield.html |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:25:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Full size 1911 shoved inside waistband sans holster at appendix carry position FTW. 9 rounds of .45acp in an accurate platform, perfectly concealed. No need to try and re-invent the wheel. The hell with that belt anchor.. Shield with 9 accurate rounds of 9mm comfortably placed IWB. G19 with 16 rounds of 9mm if you want to trade comfort for capacity.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:25:24 AM EDT
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Never understood why Glock even made the G26. It is like a worthless chambering of the .40 between a .45 and 9mm. Carry a G19 or actually go smaller with the Shield. Because AWB. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:29:25 AM EDT
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A lot of people like the thinness of the shield for appendix carry. I shoot the 26 better than the shield. Yep I appendix carry the shield. The glock would create a huge bump. I'm a small guy so I need the shield thinness. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:31:03 AM EDT
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I really don't know what the big attraction is to the Shield. For me, the Glock's length and especially its height advantage, outweigh the Shield's thickness advantage. Shit, I would choose the Glock, even if they had the same capacity, but the Glock holds even more ammo! Bottom line for me: the G26 holds more ammo and is more concealable. Not even a contest. Get the Glock. Do you own and shoot both? I do and I say you're wrong. The shield is much more concealable and a better shooter. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:34:00 AM EDT
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A better comparison would be the G26vs M&P 9C
In which case, the 9C is the better choice. As is the shield over the G42 |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:35:08 AM EDT
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I own 6 glocks and a Shield. You have to be smoking crack to say the Glock conceals better than the Shield.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:40:07 AM EDT
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I put the shield in my pocket. Semi autos don't belong in pockets My PM9 seems to like it just fine Kahrleg 
Assuming it actually functions |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:40:45 AM EDT
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S&W 3913 > Shield
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:53:57 AM EDT
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S&W 3913 > Shield ? 3913 is a fine gun but it is not in the same category size wise as the Shield. Hell, I shoot my G34 better than my Shield but isn't that to be expected to some degree? |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:56:07 AM EDT
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? 3913 is a fine gun but it is not in the same category size wise as the Shield. Hell, I shoot my G34 better than my Shield but isn't that to be expected to some degree? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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S&W 3913 > Shield ? 3913 is a fine gun but it is not in the same category size wise as the Shield. Hell, I shoot my G34 better than my Shield but isn't that to be expected to some degree? Lies 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:58:00 AM EDT
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The hell with that belt anchor.. Shield with 9 accurate rounds of 9mm comfortably placed IWB. G19 with 16 rounds of 9mm if you want to trade comfort for capacity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Full size 1911 shoved inside waistband sans holster at appendix carry position FTW. 9 rounds of .45acp in an accurate platform, perfectly concealed. No need to try and re-invent the wheel. The hell with that belt anchor.. Shield with 9 accurate rounds of 9mm comfortably placed IWB. G19 with 16 rounds of 9mm if you want to trade comfort for capacity. Belt anchor?? I don't have a muffin top or distended abdomen working to push my pants off. It's super easy. By accuracy I'm not talking center mass at 7yds. I'm talking headshots at 50yds. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:58:07 AM EDT
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1000%
I made the right choice a few months ago. I know a few other family members who chose .... unwisely. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:58:48 AM EDT
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S&W 3913 > Shield ? 3913 is a fine gun but it is not in the same category size wise as the Shield. Hell, I shoot my G34 better than my Shield but isn't that to be expected to some degree? Lies http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/742/dscn2968l.jpg You got an ambi safety on that 3913? Much thickness. Would not conceal. I seem to recall the 3913, Sig 239 and G19 being very similar in size. Anyhoo enjoy your 3913. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:00:30 PM EDT
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the shield as a pocket gun?
even in shoot-me-first cargo pants, no way. It's the SAME SIZE as the compact, just thinner. how is that a pocket gun? Cause you can get it to fit? Then the shield is as much a pocket gun as a 6" Smith 44 magnum. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:01:31 PM EDT
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You got an ambi safety on that 3913? Much thickness. Would not conceal. I seem to recall the 3913, Sig 239 and G19 being very similar in size. Anyhoo enjoy your 3913. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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S&W 3913 > Shield ? 3913 is a fine gun but it is not in the same category size wise as the Shield. Hell, I shoot my G34 better than my Shield but isn't that to be expected to some degree? Lies http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/742/dscn2968l.jpg You got an ambi safety on that 3913? Much thickness. Would not conceal. I seem to recall the 3913, Sig 239 and G19 being very similar in size. Anyhoo enjoy your 3913. Mine yes. But not all do. The safeties are in one spot. Not the entire width. You can also get the 3954 with no safeties/ decocker. I also own the G19 it's not the same size not even close. Much smaller than the fatass 239 also I will enjoy it. Thanks. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:02:02 PM EDT
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By accuracy I'm not talking center mass at 7yds. I'm talking headshots at 50yds. Oh, I see. You're that guy.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:03:28 PM EDT
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I would have LOVED a 3913 with a polymer lower... the hammer/trigger ombo was workable, unlike the shield's.
a gun that REQUIRES a trigger kit to use. ugh |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:06:55 PM EDT
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I would have LOVED a 3913 with a polymer lower... the hammer/trigger ombo was workable, unlike the shield's. a gun that REQUIRES a trigger kit to use. ugh The Apex kit helps no doubt. The stock trigger on the Shield is clearly better than a stock M&P, at least all the ones I have handled so far. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:07:07 PM EDT
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Am im I the only person who shoots the 26 better than the shield? I shoot Glocks including the 26 better than the Shield |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:08:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBy accuracy I'm not talking center mass at 7yds. I'm talking headshots at 50yds. watchoutwehaveabadassoverhere.jpg |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:10:59 PM EDT
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I went glock since I couldn't stand the hinge. so you have to add an apex kit (the pricey one!) to every m&p you get. also why I didn't get the SD. if sw had put in standard triggers, I'd have at least three 9's, a shield 9, and few SD's as well. Instead , we have a 19 for her, and a 26 for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The Apex kit helps no doubt. The stock trigger on the Shield is clearly better than a stock M&P, at least all the ones I have handled so far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would have LOVED a 3913 with a polymer lower... the hammer/trigger ombo was workable, unlike the shield's. a gun that REQUIRES a trigger kit to use. ugh The Apex kit helps no doubt. The stock trigger on the Shield is clearly better than a stock M&P, at least all the ones I have handled so far. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:14:26 PM EDT
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Do you own and shoot both? I do and I say you're wrong. The shield is much more concealable and a better shooter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I really don't know what the big attraction is to the Shield. For me, the Glock's length and especially its height advantage, outweigh the Shield's thickness advantage. Shit, I would choose the Glock, even if they had the same capacity, but the Glock holds even more ammo! Bottom line for me: the G26 holds more ammo and is more concealable. Not even a contest. Get the Glock. Do you own and shoot both? I do and I say you're wrong. The shield is much more concealable and a better shooter. 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:16:42 PM EDT
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Why... it's almost as if he's trying to say that some people shoot some guns better than others. No way that can be the case.
A Glock AND .40S&W fanboy... shouldn't expect any better I suppose. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:20:18 PM EDT
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I pocket carried my 26 daily for close to 2 years  , because IWB didn't work for me for concealing at work.
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I put the shield in my pocket. OK, and I'm glad you brought that up; that is one of the only situations where I can see it being better. , because IWB didn't work for me for concealing at work.
I now pocket carry my 42, and the 26 is back to IWB, where it belongs. LOL, I did that with my G27 for about the same time. Despite many nancy boys stating that it was not a pocket gun... I just bought my wife a M&P Shield 9mm (she hasn't gotten a chance to shoot it yet). The slide was very stiff at first. I had some bad ammo and it had several failures to fire. But I switched ammo and it has not malfunctioned further. We shot 250 rounds through it and the slide has loosened up. I like the size but will stick with my G19. I am considering picking up one for a pocket gun. It does disappear in the pocket. When looking at the G26 and the 9mm Shield in the store I believe I saw that there is only a two round difference. YMMV |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:21:20 PM EDT
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Isn't the thickness difference between the G26 and the Shield something like 3.5mm? Are all y'all so short and anorexic that a grain of rice difference makes such an impact on concealment? Seems like holster selection would make more of an impact on concealment. As a female shooter with small hands (which is why I prefer the baby glocks), and the need to wear form fitting clothes without printing like no tomorrow, yes, the shield has its advantages when it comes to its size. that said. I shoot the 27 much better than the shield despite the snappier recoil. in the summer, I carry the shield. in the winter, I rock the Glock.
as far as holsters go, safariland for the glock, and crossbreed supertuck for the shield... |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:24:36 PM EDT
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Why... it's almost as if he's trying to say that some people shoot some guns better than others. No way that can be the case.
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Why... it's almost as if he's trying to say that some people shoot some guns better than others. No way that can be the case.
A Glock AND .40S&W fanboy GIRL... shouldn't expect any better I suppose. FIFY both have their advantages, but to say that the shield shoots better than a glock is just plain blasphemy. I shoot and carry both (alternating) and can attest to this based on personal experience. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:25:39 PM EDT
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I sold my 27 and switched to the Shield. It seems to be more accurate than the G19 I usually carry.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mark D:
Isn't the thickness difference between the G26 and the Shield something like 3.5mm? Are all y'all so short and anorexic that a grain of rice difference makes such an impact on concealment? Seems like holster selection would make more of an impact on concealment. It doesn't sound like a lot. But it is. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:29:23 PM EDT
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The Apex kit helps no doubt. The stock trigger on the Shield is clearly better than a stock M&P, at least all the ones I have handled so far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would have LOVED a 3913 with a polymer lower... the hammer/trigger ombo was workable, unlike the shield's. a gun that REQUIRES a trigger kit to use. ugh The Apex kit helps no doubt. The stock trigger on the Shield is clearly better than a stock M&P, at least all the ones I have handled so far. The apex trigger just allows you to see past the terrible trigger pull and see how poor the rest of the mechanism really is |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:29:44 PM EDT
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By accuracy I'm not talking center mass at 7yds. I'm talking headshots at 50yds. watchoutwehaveabadassoverhere].jpg Although true, we're not talking about that. It is well known fact the 1911 platform carries a higher standard of accuracy. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:31:00 PM EDT
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Although true, we're not talking about that. It is well known fact the 1911 platform hcarries a higher standard of accuracy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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By accuracy I'm not talking center mass at 7yds. I'm talking headshots at 50yds. watchoutwehaveabadassoverhere].jpg Although true, we're not talking about that. It is well known fact the 1911 platform hcarries a higher standard of accuracy. [bs1] |
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