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Posted: 5/21/2005 5:20:47 AM EDT

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WTF!?! Why is it that half of all Americans vote against freedom, for oppression, for intrusive gooberment, for oppressive laws, in favor of hyperactive children running their state houses, and openly support illegal immigrants, vicious Muslim terrorist lovers, and anything or anybody who'll tear this country down?

Why can't these people all just move to a few states and start their own damned country - the People's Republik of Kalifonistan und New York or some other such bullshit as this?

People vote for the laws they feel are needed. They don't vote for "oppression, hyperactive children, etc". They vote for the people and laws they thinik are the best. So they differ from your candidates and ideal laws. Thats why its a free country. You will never find a free country where the people totally agree with each other.

Yes, indeed and "one-party" states are always oppressive and repressive.

Not THAT'S the most intelligent thing you've posted on this thread - and funny thing: tc556guy lives in a "one-party" state - and believe me, it IS oppressive and repressive... The state??? - NEW YORK....

- georgestrings

Posted: 5/21/2005 5:25:43 AM EDT

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Do you really think the democraps don't like the Pat act? They are slobbering all over themselves just waiting until they get back into power so they can use it to go after the "domestic terrorists".

Keep telling yourself that and you will feel much better when the JBTs come to knock down your door.

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The democraps have no tolerance to anyone that doesn't think like them. If you can't see that you have problems.

Get a clue as the redumblicans have the White House, the Senate AND the House of Representatives.
You can try this failed ploy of passing it on to the Democrats but it is simple; the Republicans used to be the party of smaller government and less intrusive laws but that day is past. Now they are the party of Gestapo laws, mind control and bankruptcy government.
Hmmm... I guess you can't "see" either.
You see what your party turned into as well, Bill? Just a question, not a set up for an attack.

There is nobody winning a prize in this contest as the Democrats have failed to oppose most of this nonsense and have offered few alternatives but that wasn't the question. The question concerned the Republicans and what they did. I guess it goes this way; [Republicans] We just pass these horseshit laws so the Democrats can fuck you with them.[/Republicans] Please...

Seems to be an issue of denial in regards to the leftwingers who have commandeered the democratic party - I'll take the GOP over the likes of kerry, kennedy, klinton, schumer, feinstein, boxer, daly, sharpton, pelosi, etc... ANY day!!! If you think that group of socialists has the country's best interests in mind, you're on some serious crack...

- georgestrings

Posted: 5/21/2005 5:36:43 AM EDT

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Do you really think the democraps don't like the Pat act? They are slobbering all over themselves just waiting until they get back into power so they can use it to go after the "domestic terrorists".

Keep telling yourself that and you will feel much better when the JBTs come to knock down your door.

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The democraps have no tolerance to anyone that doesn't think like them. If you can't see that you have problems.

Get a clue as the redumblicans have the White House, the Senate AND the House of Representatives.
You can try this failed ploy of passing it on to the Democrats but it is simple; the Republicans used to be the party of smaller government and less intrusive laws but that day is past. Now they are the party of Gestapo laws, mind control and bankruptcy government.
Hmmm... I guess you can't "see" either.
You see what your party turned into as well, Bill? Just a question, not a set up for an attack.

There is nobody winning a prize in this contest as the Democrats have failed to oppose most of this nonsense and have offered few alternatives but that wasn't the question. The question concerned the Republicans and what they did. I guess it goes this way; [Republicans] We just pass these horseshit laws so the Democrats can fuck you with them.[/Republicans] Please...

Seems to be an issue of denial in regards to the leftwingers who have commandeered the democratic party - I'll take the GOP over the likes of kerry, kennedy, klinton, schumer, feinstein, boxer, daly, sharpton, pelosi, etc... ANY day!!! If you think that group of socialists has the country's best interests in mind, you're on some serious crack...
- georgestrings

And you're not ?

Posted: 5/21/2005 10:40:01 AM EDT

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Seems to be an issue of denial in regards to the leftwingers who have commandeered the democratic party - I'll take the GOP over the likes of kerry, kennedy, klinton, schumer, feinstein, boxer, daly, sharpton, pelosi, etc... ANY day!!! If you think that group of socialists has the country's best interests in mind, you're on some serious crack..

How are any of those people socialists? Politically on a world scale the Democrats are actually right wing compared to the rest of the world. At least you didn't call them communists.

Posted: 5/21/2005 10:41:23 AM EDT

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Seems to be an issue of denial in regards to the leftwingers who have commandeered the democratic party - I'll take the GOP over the likes of kerry, kennedy, klinton, schumer, feinstein, boxer, daly, sharpton, pelosi, etc... ANY day!!! If you think that group of socialists has the country's best interests in mind, you're on some serious crack..

How are any of those people socialists? Politically on a world scale the Democrats are actually right wing compared to the rest of the world. At least you didn't call them communists.

They're actually statists.

Posted: 5/21/2005 10:50:11 AM EDT

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You only have 2 choices, you either like America or you hate America.
So 1 out of 2 choices is 50%

So thats why 50% of Americans hate America. The other 50% like America.

This might be the most ignorant post ever.BTW DK prof hit the nail on the head.

Posted: 5/21/2005 11:00:55 AM EDT

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Do you really think the democraps don't like the Pat act? They are slobbering all over themselves just waiting until they get back into power so they can use it to go after the "domestic terrorists".

Keep telling yourself that and you will feel much better when the JBTs come to knock down your door.

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The democraps have no tolerance to anyone that doesn't think like them. If you can't see that you have problems.

Get a clue as the redumblicans have the White House, the Senate AND the House of Representatives.
You can try this failed ploy of passing it on to the Democrats but it is simple; the Republicans used to be the party of smaller government and less intrusive laws but that day is past. Now they are the party of Gestapo laws, mind control and bankruptcy government. Hmmm... I guess you can't "see" either.

Whast a fucking douchebag. "Mind control". And WHAT "Gestapo" laws, ya nimrod?

Posted: 5/21/2005 11:07:57 AM EDT

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I call myself an independant, I do not make decisions based on the R or D next to the name of the person with an idea. We as a nation are getting weaker by the minute and it is not the fault of the Democrats, it is the fault of every American who has decided to choose a team and try to humiliate the other, we are divided as a nation and our nations leader has stated repeatedly that he is "a uniter not a divider", I say prove it. The Democratic party enrages me daily. The Republican party won't be satisfied until every square inch of this nation is sold to the highest bidder and they have complete control of our faith or lack of and sexual behavior. Let me add, just for the record, I would kill or die for this nation.

Posted: 5/21/2005 11:10:41 AM EDT

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What qualifies you as a liberal? You sound more like a libertarian.

Me personally, i'm basically a libertarian who is an economic moderate and wants some social programs to help people.

I think liberal is misused in American politics. Most libertarians fit the definition of liberal really.
Which definition of liberal are you talking about? Classic, where personal freedom and ability is emphasized, or Modern, where a "progressive vision" for society is emphasized?
ETA - I don't have a vision for society. I want the government out of personal lives and business as much as possible. Society is not my concern. I trust others to run their lives.

hear hear. The classic label "Liberal" - representing the Kennedy-era promotion of Global Freedom, coupled with some social programs - has been completed subverted over the last 10yrs. "Liberal" today means "Progressive" - and THAT is just another name for outright Socialists. I SPIT on Liberals today. Their platforms and goals are the ruination of all the things this country was Great at. Their Socialist / Communist Nanny State and totalitarian nature can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

Likewise the Isolationist Crumudgeon wing of the Libertarians - Isolationism doesn't work. Isolationism / Benign Neglect did NOTHING to prevent some mofos from flying jets into our buildings on our own soil.

Likewise the Child-Dopers who espouse the Party line of the 'Libertarian Socialists' - the only reason those piecees of slack AREN'T "Progressives" is because they played with guns / first person shooters as kids.

I left the Republican Party during Bush the Elder's term, for his tax betrayal. I made the mistake of voting for Clinton in '92 and very quickly regretted it. After seeing the slide of the Democrat party into irrelenvecy and lunacy, I actively work for their downfall as a National Party. And there isn't a 3rd party out there that's worth a shit. The Republicans get my vote by default and that sucks too - but I'm sure as hell not going to be some fucking dumbass that CHOOSES NOT TO VOTE. Height of stupidity, to voluntarily surrender something so many have died for.

Posted: 5/21/2005 11:10:57 AM EDT

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Do you really think the democraps don't like the Pat act? They are slobbering all over themselves just waiting until they get back into power so they can use it to go after the "domestic terrorists".

Keep telling yourself that and you will feel much better when the JBTs come to knock down your door.

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The democraps have no tolerance to anyone that doesn't think like them. If you can't see that you have problems.

Get a clue as the redumblicans have the White House, the Senate AND the House of Representatives.
You can try this failed ploy of passing it on to the Democrats but it is simple; the Republicans used to be the party of smaller government and less intrusive laws but that day is past. Now they are the party of Gestapo laws, mind control and bankruptcy government. Hmmm... I guess you can't "see" either.
Whast a fucking douchebag. "Mind control". And WHAT "Gestapo" laws, ya nimrod?

Mind control, censorship of the airwaves? Gestapo laws, hrm.. REAL ID, Patriot Act, holding people without trial until the Supreme Court tells you that you cannot do this?

Posted: 5/21/2005 11:15:16 AM EDT

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Seems to be an issue of denial in regards to the leftwingers who have commandeered the democratic party - I'll take the GOP over the likes of kerry, kennedy, klinton, schumer, feinstein, boxer, daly, sharpton, pelosi, etc... ANY day!!! If you think that group of socialists has the country's best interests in mind, you're on some serious crack..

How are any of those people socialists? Politically on a world scale the Democrats are actually right wing compared to the rest of the world. At least you didn't call them communists.

Silly bastard.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/06/28/politics2039EDT0165.DTL&type=printable

(06-28) 19:03 PDT SAN FRANCISCO (AP) --

The leftiest big city on the Left Coast was Clinton country on Monday, with former President Clinton continuing his blockbuster book tour and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton headlining a Democratic fund-raiser where she vowed to defeat the Republicans' "extraordinarily ruthless machine."

Headlining an appearance with other Democratic women senators on behalf of Sen. Barbara Boxer, who is up for re-election this year, Hillary Clinton told several hundred supporters -- some of whom had ponied up as much as $10,000 to attend -- to expect to lose some of the tax cuts passed by President Bush if Democrats win the White House and control of Congress.

"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you," Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Posted: 5/21/2005 11:23:20 AM EDT

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Mind control, censorship of the airwaves? Gestapo laws, hrm.. REAL ID, Patriot Act, holding people without trial until the Supreme Court tells you that you cannot do this?

Nice fuzzily-stated complaints
What "censorship of the airwaves" are you referring to? Specific examples. Are you some jerkoff Howard Stern fan whinging about decency standards? Some crank p.o.'d he can't operate an unlicensed radio station? Someone that think nipple jewelry flashed nationwide on a Sunday afternoonnn is acceptable behaviour? Do tell.

Real ID - fapfapfapfapfapfapfap. Not a fucking thing in all the Crank's boogabooga about Real ID that the FedGov didn't ALREADY have the technical ability to do for the last forty years. It's mental masturbation to whinge about it. The UPSIDE is that Real ID will prevent socialist states from issuing ID to ILLEGALS. That's a REAL benefit, and not the fever-dream scaremongering about a f'n 'Police State' that Libertarian jackoffs are always on about.

As for 'holding people without trial' - presumably you are short-stroking about terrorist detainees at Gitmo. Non-Cits. People taken on battlefields while actively engaged in attacks on our troops. By ANY "Law", those mofos have NO 'Rights'. IF you are by chance referring to some 'secret detention camp' within the CONUS, spell it out. I need a good laugh.

Posted: 5/21/2005 1:08:21 PM EDT

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Quoted:If the Democrats really hated America they'd be trying to overthrow our country or be leaving en masse.

Subversion of the Constitution is the same as Overthrow. Granted, both parties are guilty of twisting the Consitution or shredding it when it suits their needs.

Personally, I love the concept of America. I hate what the people are doing to it on both sides.

While much of my fury lately is directed towards idiot liberals, I have no great love for the lock step conservatives either. Aristotle once said something along the lines that Democracy used in large scale becomes unworkable. Democracy functions at its best at a community level.

Posted: 5/21/2005 1:12:01 PM EDT

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Do you really think the democraps don't like the Pat act? They are slobbering all over themselves just waiting until they get back into power so they can use it to go after the "domestic terrorists".

Keep telling yourself that and you will feel much better when the JBTs come to knock down your door.

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The democraps have no tolerance to anyone that doesn't think like them. If you can't see that you have problems.

Get a clue as the redumblicans have the White House, the Senate AND the House of Representatives.
You can try this failed ploy of passing it on to the Democrats but it is simple; the Republicans used to be the party of smaller government and less intrusive laws but that day is past. Now they are the party of Gestapo laws, mind control and bankruptcy government. Hmmm... I guess you can't "see" either.
Whast a fucking douchebag. "Mind control". And WHAT "Gestapo" laws, ya nimrod?

Mind control, censorship of the airwaves? Gestapo laws, hrm.. REAL ID, Patriot Act, holding people without trial until the Supreme Court tells you that you cannot do this?

I'm not denying that. They are bad. But do you really think the democraps will get rid of all those laws when they get in power? Or will they expand and use the hell out of them? Republicans are bad, democraps are pure evil.

Posted: 5/21/2005 1:13:12 PM EDT

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Do you really think the democraps don't like the Pat act? They are slobbering all over themselves just waiting until they get back into power so they can use it to go after the "domestic terrorists".

Keep telling yourself that and you will feel much better when the JBTs come to knock down your door.

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The democraps have no tolerance to anyone that doesn't think like them. If you can't see that you have problems.

Get a clue as the redumblicans have the White House, the Senate AND the House of Representatives.
You can try this failed ploy of passing it on to the Democrats but it is simple; the Republicans used to be the party of smaller government and less intrusive laws but that day is past. Now they are the party of Gestapo laws, mind control and bankruptcy government. Hmmm... I guess you can't "see" either.

Whast a fucking douchebag. "Mind control". And WHAT "Gestapo" laws, ya nimrod?

Nice, in-depth comment. Shows maturity and respect for others and indicates a well-seasoned debater. Tell me, does your mommy let you use her computer often ?

Posted: 5/21/2005 1:15:09 PM EDT

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Subversion of the Constitution is the same as Overthrow. Granted, both parties are guilty of twisting the Consitution or shredding it when it suits their needs.

Personally, I love the concept of America. I hate what the people are doing to it on both sides.

While much of my fury lately is directed towards idiot liberals, I have no great love for the lock step conservatives either. Aristotle once said something along the lines that Democracy used in large scale becomes unworkable. Democracy functions at its best at a community level.

Aristotle was referring to a democracy, we are not a democracy. We are a democratic republic there is a huge difference between that and what Aristotle meant when he said democracy.

Posted: 5/21/2005 1:15:35 PM EDT

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To the BIG quoters, why not edit out some what has been quoted at LENGTH so others can sift through this debate without having to read the SAME text over and over and over again.

Posted: 5/21/2005 1:19:45 PM EDT

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Quoted:Aristotle was referring to a democracy, we are not a democracy. We are a democratic republic there is a huge difference between that and what Aristotle meant when he said democracy.

Of course there are differences, similiarites too. We are simply a representative democracy, hence the popular vote is diffused and in some cases lost.

Posted: 5/21/2005 2:07:05 PM EDT

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Real Differences Between Democrats and Republicans

Democrats are big spenders.

Republicans are fiscally responsible and support balanced budgets.

Nope.

Democrats are for the nanny state with laws restricting personal freedom.

Republicans are for the Patriot Act, against abortion, against recreational drug use.

Uhhh....

Republicans are conservative and respect the traditions of our nation.

States rights? Like in the Schiavo case?

Ted Kennedy - Tom DeLay??????

Hillary in pics with Newt???

Bill with GBI???

I shudder to think what would happen if either party was in office for too long.

Posted: 5/21/2005 10:07:57 PM EDT

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Do you really think the democraps don't like the Pat act? They are slobbering all over themselves just waiting until they get back into power so they can use it to go after the "domestic terrorists".

The democraps have no tolerance to anyone that doesn't think like them. If you can't see that you have problems.

You know, I always wondered if the GOP and Dems were in cahoots in that way. Has anyone ever noticed how the GOP tends to consistently call for stiffer penalties for crime and the criminalization of various acts? Ever notice how the democrats often make aggressive use of those laws to curb and control behavior as much as possible.

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Excellently put, both of you. I have always wondered this myself - the law and order lovin' Republicans, and the Intrusive.Gov DemocRATS seem to always feel right at home manufacturing yet another law to socially engineer us into some narrow group's idea of perfection.

They both suck. Then again, I'm a Conservative and a Libertarian, NOT a Republican or a Democrat.

Posted: 5/21/2005 10:08:58 PM EDT

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Why does Milsurp still need an audiance??

Same question be honest!

Bob

I agree.

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Why do half of all Americans hate America?

I think your statistics are more than a little skewed.

Oh, that's right. I'm that Milsurp person. I keep forgetting.

Posted: 5/21/2005 11:30:48 PM EDT

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Quote form the new Star Wars movie I thought appropriate not exact but close enough to make the point "this is how freedom dies, to thunderous applause"

Posted: 5/22/2005 12:25:34 AM EDT

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Aristotle once said something along the lines that Democracy used in large scale becomes unworkable. Democracy functions at its best at a community level.

Aristotle was referring to a democracy, we are not a democracy. We are a democratic republic there is a huge difference between that and what Aristotle meant when he said democracy.

Now this is what has caused our nation to head down the shit hole. When have changed the form of government we operate by without ever amending our constitution. We are not a democracy, we are not a democratic republic, we are a constitutional republic. your ass gets to vote for a represenative, who is bound by a supreme law. You don't get to vote on mine nor anyone elses property (democracy of any form), which we have been doing to produce all these bullshit, oppressive laws. How can people put faith in a government if it can change it's self without amending it's establishing document. You want a democratic republic, amend or abolish the constitution. Until then, stop fucking with the constitution to further your cause.

Posted: 5/22/2005 1:22:22 AM EDT

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Do you really think the democraps don't like the Pat act? They are slobbering all over themselves just waiting until they get back into power so they can use it to go after the "domestic terrorists".

Keep telling yourself that and you will feel much better when the JBTs come to knock down your door.

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The democraps have no tolerance to anyone that doesn't think like them. If you can't see that you have problems.

Get a clue as the redumblicans have the White House, the Senate AND the House of Representatives.
You can try this failed ploy of passing it on to the Democrats but it is simple; the Republicans used to be the party of smaller government and less intrusive laws but that day is past. Now they are the party of Gestapo laws, mind control and bankruptcy government.
Hmmm... I guess you can't "see" either.
You see what your party turned into as well, Bill? Just a question, not a set up for an attack.

There is nobody winning a prize in this contest as the Democrats have failed to oppose most of this nonsense and have offered few alternatives but that wasn't the question. The question concerned the Republicans and what they did. I guess it goes this way; [Republicans] We just pass these horseshit laws so the Democrats can fuck you with them.[/Republicans] Please...

Seems to be an issue of denial in regards to the leftwingers who have commandeered the democratic party - I'll take the GOP over the likes of kerry, kennedy, klinton, schumer, feinstein, boxer, daly, sharpton, pelosi, etc... ANY day!!! If you think that group of socialists has the country's best interests in mind, you're on some serious crack...
- georgestrings

And you're not ?

Obviously not when compared to the likes of you... You can honestly point to that group of democrats I named and tell me they're good for the country??? Please put down the crackpipe - it's rotting your brain....

- georgestrings

Posted: 5/22/2005 1:23:54 AM EDT

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Why does Milsurp still need an audiance??

Same question be honest!

Bob

I agree.

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Why do half of all Americans hate America?

I think your statistics are more than a little skewed.

Oh, that's right. I'm that Milsurp person. I keep forgetting.

You have shown me nothing to indicate that you aren't, at the least, a good copy.

Posted: 5/22/2005 2:21:19 AM EDT

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Do you really think the democraps don't like the Pat act? They are slobbering all over themselves just waiting until they get back into power so they can use it to go after the "domestic terrorists".

The democraps have no tolerance to anyone that doesn't think like them. If you can't see that you have problems.

You know, I always wondered if the GOP and Dems were in cahoots in that way. Has anyone ever noticed how the GOP tends to consistently call for stiffer penalties for crime and the criminalization of various acts? Ever notice how the democrats often make aggressive use of those laws to curb and control behavior as much as possible.

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Excellently put, both of you. I have always wondered this myself - the law and order lovin' Republicans, and the Intrusive.Gov DemocRATS seem to always feel right at home manufacturing yet another law to socially engineer us into some narrow group's idea of perfection.

They both suck. Then again, I'm a Conservative and a Libertarian, NOT a Republican or a Democrat.

You have a lot more faith in their ability to coordinate and plan than I do.

Posted: 5/22/2005 2:42:25 AM EDT

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Quoted:Aristotle was referring to a democracy, we are not a democracy. We are a democratic republic there is a huge difference between that and what Aristotle meant when he said democracy.

Of course there are differences, similiarites too. We are simply a representative democracy, hence the popular vote is diffused and in some cases lost.

Actually, no.
Democracy, by its very nature, CANNOT be representative. You just produced a contradiction in terms.
Democracy is you showing up and voting on every issue.
A Republic is you either electing or appointing representatives to vote on issues on your behalf.
Putting representative in front of republic produces a redundancy.

Posted: 5/22/2005 2:44:33 AM EDT

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Real Differences Between Democrats and Republicans

Democrats are big spenders.

Republicans are fiscally responsible and support balanced budgets.

Nope.

Democrats are for the nanny state with laws restricting personal freedom.

Republicans are for the Patriot Act, against abortion, against recreational drug use.

Uhhh....

Republicans are conservative and respect the traditions of our nation.

States rights? Like in the Schiavo case?

Ted Kennedy - Tom DeLay??????

Hillary in pics with Newt???

Bill with GBI???

I shudder to think what would happen if either party was in office for too long.

States have no rights. No government organization has rights - EVER.
All government organizations have powers.
I wonder how long it takes before I'm known as the civics nazi.

Posted: 5/22/2005 3:00:09 AM EDT

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Offtopic

I fucking hate Kris fagoffison.

Go back to normal topic.

Posted: 5/22/2005 4:50:33 AM EDT

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I fucking hate Kris fagoffison.
Go back to normal topic.

Who cares ?
Go away.

Posted: 5/22/2005 4:59:08 AM EDT

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Not THAT'S the most intelligent thing you've posted on this thread - and funny thing: tc556guy lives in a "one-party" state - and believe me, it IS oppressive and repressive... The state??? - NEW YORK....

If you knew anything about state party politics, yopu would know that wasn't true. The Democrats control the state Assembly, the Republicans control the state Senate, by mutual agreement. If we went to a unicamberal legislature like the Downstaters have been pushing for, I would agree with you, but thats currently not the case.
In actuality, our state politics are controlled by 3 people, and THAT is the deficiency in our political system that needs to be corrected.

Posted: 5/22/2005 5:11:45 AM EDT

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I only agree with you for about about 2% of your response... republicans, democrats, all politicians are all sneaky, power hungry asshats.

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Why are 90% of Republicans (Including those on this board) fucking morons?

Really I see you people whining about the Democrats wanting to control your lives (Gun ownership), but the Republicans want to do the same thing (Enforcing morals on people, banning drugs, abortion, censoring TV, etc)

Vote Republican: Vote for holding people without trial, vote for the Patriot Act and allowing the Government to have sneak peaks into your private life (And you can't say a thing if you find out), vote for censorship of the media, vote against individual liberties (In regards to drugs, abortion, prostitution, etc). We can still have our guns.

I want to be able to have an MP5 on my couch, while I smoke a joint and fuck a prostitute. I want the poor to be taken care of, why...? I would like to see it made easier for people to obtain a higher education How much easier does it have ot get. People who apply themselves to getting educated find it incredibly easy. What you're thinking is that people should have their education spoonfed to them with a giant serving spoon or uploaded like in The Matrix. Education can't get any easier to get for people that want one. Ever hear of a public library? It's a FREE school... only prerequisite is knowing how to read., I believe a woman should be able to get an abortion. Me too I believe the FCC has no business in regulating radio and TV content (See, the market can do this). For the most part I agree. Just another form of unnecessary control. I would like the government to be fiscally responsible in terms of not going into massive debt, if we have to pay a little more taxes (We should pay less than we do now though since if they were responsible we'd get rid of all the pork) so be it. Madness. If more than 25% of a person's paycheck isn't enough taxes then the .gov is doing something wrong. What they need to do to be more responsible is trim some fat off the edges. Get rid all any and all government sponsored handout programs for starters. Let people take responsibility for their own actions and futures. I for one can't stand paying into FICA and SS. Stop spending ungodly amounts of money on advanced defense programs that end up never being used. Stop paying representatives such a high salary when they clearly haven't done anything productive for our society in decades. The only thing they do is play power battle with our tax dollars. Who can trump whose bills and shit like that.I believe we should have tollerance for people different than us and allow people to immigrate legally to better themselves and our nation. Where've you been for the last 100+ years? we've been letting immigrants into this country by the droves. It's not a question of letting them in... we do it with open arms. It's a question of regulating the flow... like a dam. You open it up full throttle and let them pour in and it'll become overwhelming. Lastly, I would like the government (Republicans and Democrats) to leave me the fuck alone. Apparently you don't if you want more taxes, more immigrants, more "free education" more "free handouts" for the poor, etc.

ps....

Posted: 5/22/2005 9:14:10 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
You have a lot more faith in their ability to coordinate and plan than I do.

This kinda reminds me of the fear everyone has of the U.N. taking power in this country during strife - it's laughable to think that a body as ill-concieved, corrupt, poorly organized, and totally incompetent could ever intimidate or threaten the use of force successfully against the Principality of Monte Carlo, much less than, say, Kansas.

Posted: 5/22/2005 12:24:12 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:Actually, no.
Democracy, by its very nature, CANNOT be representative. You just produced a contradiction in terms.
Democracy is you showing up and voting on every issue.
A Republic is you either electing or appointing representatives to vote on issues on your behalf.
Putting representative in front of republic produces a redundancy.

Contradictions are a natural part of life, especially in politics. Our nation is a representative democracy. We elect our officials, then it is our duty to keep them informed on how we want them to vote on a our behalf--though once elected they are not beholden to act on our input.

Posted: 5/22/2005 12:57:25 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Quoted:Actually, no.
Democracy, by its very nature, CANNOT be representative. You just produced a contradiction in terms.
Democracy is you showing up and voting on every issue.
A Republic is you either electing or appointing representatives to vote on issues on your behalf.
Putting representative in front of republic produces a redundancy.

Contradictions are a natural part of life, especially in politics. Our nation is a representative democracy. We elect our officials, then it is our duty to keep them informed on how we want them to vote on a our behalf--though once elected they are not beholden to act on our input.

I'm about halfway to the conclusion that you are trying to yank my chain.

Posted: 5/22/2005 1:09:51 PM EDT

[#36]

They're not in power....even apparently of their own lives...hence their dancing like a crazy dog..

Posted: 5/22/2005 1:11:20 PM EDT

[#37]

I dont hate America.

I hate other Americans.

Posted: 5/22/2005 11:26:39 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:I'm about halfway to the conclusion that you are trying to yank my chain.

No I am not yanking your chain. To the best of my knowledge, what I posted regarding our government is more or less true. What is it that you find odd in my posting. Perhaps your experience with Gov't has been different than mine.

Posted: 5/23/2005 3:44:54 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
Quoted:I'm about halfway to the conclusion that you are trying to yank my chain.

No I am not yanking your chain. To the best of my knowledge, what I posted regarding our government is more or less true. What is it that you find odd in my posting. Perhaps your experience with Gov't has been different than mine.

I recently read a textbook from 1870, which describes our government as a Federated Republic. It specifically stated that we aren't a democracy.

Posted: 5/23/2005 7:51:27 AM EDT

[#40]

they are the half that doesn't work and has their friggin hand out.

Lebrew

Posted: 5/23/2005 8:00:28 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:I'm about halfway to the conclusion that you are trying to yank my chain.

No I am not yanking your chain. To the best of my knowledge, what I posted regarding our government is more or less true. What is it that you find odd in my posting. Perhaps your experience with Gov't has been different than mine.
I recently read a textbook from 1870, which describes our government as a Federated Republic. It specifically stated that we aren't a democracy.

+100
We ARE NOT a Democracy, this is a Federated Republic.
The half that hates America moved here to take it over, not to assimilate and contribute to the betterment of our society, rather they come to take it and change it.

Look at who lives here and hates America.

Posted: 5/23/2005 8:02:26 AM EDT

[#42]

You're under the assumption that one party, in this case the Republican party, commits no wrong and works solely for the betterment of the US. It doesn't, and neither does the Democratic party.

Posted: 5/24/2005 11:53:19 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:You're under the assumption that one party, in this case the Republican party, commits no wrong and works solely for the betterment of the US. It doesn't, and neither does the Democratic party.

No, no I'm not. The Republican Party panders ceaselessly to special Big Money/Industry interests. The "other half" I'm talking about are the groups who wish to impose an obviously evil influence, with predictably self-destructive and evil result, upon the nation. Presumably, this is so that some sort of suicidal psychotic vision they have can be fulfilled, a la Hitler, who was going to save mankind from the obviously contemptible influence of the Jews. %(. (that's my attempt at the "freak face" to indicate sarcasm; I'm writing from my PDA @ Chik-Fil-A and can't select images).

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