[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Fenix Lights Vs. Surefire ? (Page 3 of 5)
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I tried Fenix. The tailcap was reversed of what it should be. instead of press for momentary-click for on, it was click for on then press for momentary. The switch also felt cheap/mushy. My wife dropped it while walking the dog, it landed on the sidewalk and died. The Nuwaii Q-III is a better flashlight than my Fenix was. Surefire makes better lights than both. Price and lumens are not what i rate lights on. Reliability, durability and ease of use are what matters. I dont need a light that has a strobe feature, various outputs, low battery indicator, gps or mp3 player. I need a light that always turns on when i want it to. Stays turned off until i want it on and will survive being uses as an impact weapon, doorbell, dropped, kicked, step on for the 10-15 more years until i retire. As a counterpoint in favor of Fenix lights: I've carried my PD30 every single day since I bought it 20 months ago. I use it every day and the battery life is astounding, though I've never tracked time on or written down the times I needed to swap batteries. I've taken the light for granted and treated it worse than any tool I own, almost sadistically waiting for it to die. Anecdotally; twice in the same day a co-worker of mine dropped the thing from a 12 foot platform onto the concrete flooring below (or so my other co-workers and a couple of then recent scuffs informed me). No issues other than cosmetic. With the exception of dying batteries, not once have I ever noticed the light waver in its performance. I've never used a surefire, and I am sure they are fine lights. When I decided to purchase the PD30 for ~$53, I'd figured it'd be a small loss if the thing ever went tits up, then I'd have justification to spend the $200 on a surefire equivalent. I've come to realize that a Surefire, or any other light in this particular class, would not do a single thing more than I've asked of my PD30. Maybe I just got the Apex Fenix specimen, but given all the other anecdotes, I do not think that is the case. No you got a run of the mill Fenix light that works, for work and play.I have a Fenix and also a Nitecore light that are great ,but I still would not put it on any of my weapons as I want the known reliability of the Surefire that has been proven many times over. True enough. I can't speak to the effect of many thousands of recoil 'shock' events on a Fenix, as I've never used it, or any other light in that capacity. Surefire's reputation of reliability for that use is undisputed. I can only attest that it will stand up to hundreds of rounds so far. I have only had it on for 300 to 500 rounds. Seems to me I don't have to attest to how many rounds my Surefire 600c will stand up to as it's been done for me already. 
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Looking at this Maelstrom X7 , I may have to rethink things . Lots of good info but now more confused ! Quarks are a lot like Fenix, but with more features geared toward flash light junkies like myself. They are famous for super low moon light modes that is one of my favorite modes. The maelstrom has it available. Unfortunately the circuit is not optimized for this level so it only runs for 144 hours on moon light mode. 480 lumens for 1.3 hours is pretty damn efficient though. I really like the user interface of this light so I am most likely going to order one up this week. |
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I tried Fenix. The tailcap was reversed of what it should be. instead of press for momentary-click for on, it was click for on then press for momentary. The switch also felt cheap/mushy. My wife dropped it while walking the dog, it landed on the sidewalk and died. The Nuwaii Q-III is a better flashlight than my Fenix was. Surefire makes better lights than both. Price and lumens are not what i rate lights on. Reliability, durability and ease of use are what matters. I dont need a light that has a strobe feature, various outputs, low battery indicator, gps or mp3 player. I need a light that always turns on when i want it to. Stays turned off until i want it on and will survive being uses as an impact weapon, doorbell, dropped, kicked, step on for the 10-15 more years until i retire. As a counterpoint in favor of Fenix lights: I've carried my PD30 every single day since I bought it 20 months ago. I use it every day and the battery life is astounding, though I've never tracked time on or written down the times I needed to swap batteries. I've taken the light for granted and treated it worse than any tool I own, almost sadistically waiting for it to die. Anecdotally; twice in the same day a co-worker of mine dropped the thing from a 12 foot platform onto the concrete flooring below (or so my other co-workers and a couple of then recent scuffs informed me). No issues other than cosmetic. With the exception of dying batteries, not once have I ever noticed the light waver in its performance. I've never used a surefire, and I am sure they are fine lights. When I decided to purchase the PD30 for ~$53, I'd figured it'd be a small loss if the thing ever went tits up, then I'd have justification to spend the $200 on a surefire equivalent. I've come to realize that a Surefire, or any other light in this particular class, would not do a single thing more than I've asked of my PD30. Maybe I just got the Apex Fenix specimen, but given all the other anecdotes, I do not think that is the case. No you got a run of the mill Fenix light that works, for work and play.I have a Fenix and also a Nitecore light that are great ,but I still would not put it on any of my weapons as I want the known reliability of the Surefire that has been proven many times over. True enough. I can't speak to the effect of many thousands of recoil 'shock' events on a Fenix, as I've never used it, or any other light in that capacity. Surefire's reputation of reliability for that use is undisputed. I can only attest that it will stand up to hundreds of rounds so far. I have only had it on for 300 to 500 rounds. Seems to me I don't have to attest to how many rounds my Surefire 600c will stand up to as it's been done for me already. Mine cost $60. How much did your's cost again? 
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I tried Fenix. The tailcap was reversed of what it should be. instead of press for momentary-click for on, it was click for on then press for momentary. The switch also felt cheap/mushy. My wife dropped it while walking the dog, it landed on the sidewalk and died. The Nuwaii Q-III is a better flashlight than my Fenix was. Surefire makes better lights than both. Price and lumens are not what i rate lights on. Reliability, durability and ease of use are what matters. I dont need a light that has a strobe feature, various outputs, low battery indicator, gps or mp3 player. I need a light that always turns on when i want it to. Stays turned off until i want it on and will survive being uses as an impact weapon, doorbell, dropped, kicked, step on for the 10-15 more years until i retire. As a counterpoint in favor of Fenix lights: I've carried my PD30 every single day since I bought it 20 months ago. I use it every day and the battery life is astounding, though I've never tracked time on or written down the times I needed to swap batteries. I've taken the light for granted and treated it worse than any tool I own, almost sadistically waiting for it to die. Anecdotally; twice in the same day a co-worker of mine dropped the thing from a 12 foot platform onto the concrete flooring below (or so my other co-workers and a couple of then recent scuffs informed me). No issues other than cosmetic. With the exception of dying batteries, not once have I ever noticed the light waver in its performance. I've never used a surefire, and I am sure they are fine lights. When I decided to purchase the PD30 for ~$53, I'd figured it'd be a small loss if the thing ever went tits up, then I'd have justification to spend the $200 on a surefire equivalent. I've come to realize that a Surefire, or any other light in this particular class, would not do a single thing more than I've asked of my PD30. Maybe I just got the Apex Fenix specimen, but given all the other anecdotes, I do not think that is the case. No you got a run of the mill Fenix light that works, for work and play.I have a Fenix and also a Nitecore light that are great ,but I still would not put it on any of my weapons as I want the known reliability of the Surefire that has been proven many times over. True enough. I can't speak to the effect of many thousands of recoil 'shock' events on a Fenix, as I've never used it, or any other light in that capacity. Surefire's reputation of reliability for that use is undisputed. I can only attest that it will stand up to hundreds of rounds so far. I have only had it on for 300 to 500 rounds. So - one trip to the range? |
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I really like what Fenix is doing with AA batteries and high output LEDs.
If Surefire doesn't start to catch up quickly then they will get left in the dust. There are times I'll deal with Lithium batteries and the logistics of carrying them. Then there are times I simply want the damned AA batteries and the ease of using those instead. Fenix and a few of the other companies have really been innovative in that regard. Surefire? Crickets chirping while they make all kinds of fancy aluminum bodied crenelated nightmares of theory in using a 7+infinity axis CNC machine. Yes, the biggest downside to Fenix is the tail cap. The tailcap and the warranty/service with Surefire is the only thing I'm putting in their camp as a pro. My Fenix LD20 and TK10 get more use than ANY of my multiple Surefires. Maybe once I convert out my Surefires to upgraded aftermarket LED heads they will get more use. TNVC has all the conversion goodness I need for my Surefire 500A, G2s, and other surefires. http://www.tnvc.com/shop/tx-4-cree-led-600-lumen-conversion-head |
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I tried Fenix. The tailcap was reversed of what it should be. instead of press for momentary-click for on, it was click for on then press for momentary. The switch also felt cheap/mushy. My wife dropped it while walking the dog, it landed on the sidewalk and died. The Nuwaii Q-III is a better flashlight than my Fenix was. Surefire makes better lights than both. Price and lumens are not what i rate lights on. Reliability, durability and ease of use are what matters. I dont need a light that has a strobe feature, various outputs, low battery indicator, gps or mp3 player. I need a light that always turns on when i want it to. Stays turned off until i want it on and will survive being uses as an impact weapon, doorbell, dropped, kicked, step on for the 10-15 more years until i retire. As a counterpoint in favor of Fenix lights: I've carried my PD30 every single day since I bought it 20 months ago. I use it every day and the battery life is astounding, though I've never tracked time on or written down the times I needed to swap batteries. I've taken the light for granted and treated it worse than any tool I own, almost sadistically waiting for it to die. Anecdotally; twice in the same day a co-worker of mine dropped the thing from a 12 foot platform onto the concrete flooring below (or so my other co-workers and a couple of then recent scuffs informed me). No issues other than cosmetic. With the exception of dying batteries, not once have I ever noticed the light waver in its performance. I've never used a surefire, and I am sure they are fine lights. When I decided to purchase the PD30 for ~$53, I'd figured it'd be a small loss if the thing ever went tits up, then I'd have justification to spend the $200 on a surefire equivalent. I've come to realize that a Surefire, or any other light in this particular class, would not do a single thing more than I've asked of my PD30. Maybe I just got the Apex Fenix specimen, but given all the other anecdotes, I do not think that is the case. No you got a run of the mill Fenix light that works, for work and play.I have a Fenix and also a Nitecore light that are great ,but I still would not put it on any of my weapons as I want the known reliability of the Surefire that has been proven many times over. True enough. I can't speak to the effect of many thousands of recoil 'shock' events on a Fenix, as I've never used it, or any other light in that capacity. Surefire's reputation of reliability for that use is undisputed. I can only attest that it will stand up to hundreds of rounds so far. I have only had it on for 300 to 500 rounds. So - one trip to the range? not at the recent prices! I am planning on picking up a couple cases of wolf so I can go out and play! 
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I tried Fenix. The tailcap was reversed of what it should be. instead of press for momentary-click for on, it was click for on then press for momentary. The switch also felt cheap/mushy. My wife dropped it while walking the dog, it landed on the sidewalk and died. The Nuwaii Q-III is a better flashlight than my Fenix was. Surefire makes better lights than both. Price and lumens are not what i rate lights on. Reliability, durability and ease of use are what matters. I dont need a light that has a strobe feature, various outputs, low battery indicator, gps or mp3 player. I need a light that always turns on when i want it to. Stays turned off until i want it on and will survive being uses as an impact weapon, doorbell, dropped, kicked, step on for the 10-15 more years until i retire. As a counterpoint in favor of Fenix lights: I've carried my PD30 every single day since I bought it 20 months ago. I use it every day and the battery life is astounding, though I've never tracked time on or written down the times I needed to swap batteries. I've taken the light for granted and treated it worse than any tool I own, almost sadistically waiting for it to die. Anecdotally; twice in the same day a co-worker of mine dropped the thing from a 12 foot platform onto the concrete flooring below (or so my other co-workers and a couple of then recent scuffs informed me). No issues other than cosmetic. With the exception of dying batteries, not once have I ever noticed the light waver in its performance. I've never used a surefire, and I am sure they are fine lights. When I decided to purchase the PD30 for ~$53, I'd figured it'd be a small loss if the thing ever went tits up, then I'd have justification to spend the $200 on a surefire equivalent. I've come to realize that a Surefire, or any other light in this particular class, would not do a single thing more than I've asked of my PD30. Maybe I just got the Apex Fenix specimen, but given all the other anecdotes, I do not think that is the case. No you got a run of the mill Fenix light that works, for work and play.I have a Fenix and also a Nitecore light that are great ,but I still would not put it on any of my weapons as I want the known reliability of the Surefire that has been proven many times over. True enough. I can't speak to the effect of many thousands of recoil 'shock' events on a Fenix, as I've never used it, or any other light in that capacity. Surefire's reputation of reliability for that use is undisputed. I can only attest that it will stand up to hundreds of rounds so far. I have only had it on for 300 to 500 rounds. Seems to me I don't have to attest to how many rounds my Surefire 600c will stand up to as it's been done for me already. Mine cost $60. How much did your's cost again? I shop for the best deal I can find and wait till I find the deal I'm looking for.I paid $200.00 for my 600c and $129 for my E2DL that also came with a $25.00 gift certificate and 2 free batteries,so if you figure it out I saved $225.00 just on the 600c alone and $65.00 on the E2DL that worked out to around $100.00. Not to bad huh ? Edit for pic 
Edit 2 -Forgot to clarify that's brand new in the box for both not used. |
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I tried Fenix. The tailcap was reversed of what it should be. instead of press for momentary-click for on, it was click for on then press for momentary. The switch also felt cheap/mushy. My wife dropped it while walking the dog, it landed on the sidewalk and died. The Nuwaii Q-III is a better flashlight than my Fenix was. Surefire makes better lights than both. Price and lumens are not what i rate lights on. Reliability, durability and ease of use are what matters. I dont need a light that has a strobe feature, various outputs, low battery indicator, gps or mp3 player. I need a light that always turns on when i want it to. Stays turned off until i want it on and will survive being uses as an impact weapon, doorbell, dropped, kicked, step on for the 10-15 more years until i retire. As a counterpoint in favor of Fenix lights: I've carried my PD30 every single day since I bought it 20 months ago. I use it every day and the battery life is astounding, though I've never tracked time on or written down the times I needed to swap batteries. I've taken the light for granted and treated it worse than any tool I own, almost sadistically waiting for it to die. Anecdotally; twice in the same day a co-worker of mine dropped the thing from a 12 foot platform onto the concrete flooring below (or so my other co-workers and a couple of then recent scuffs informed me). No issues other than cosmetic. With the exception of dying batteries, not once have I ever noticed the light waver in its performance. I've never used a surefire, and I am sure they are fine lights. When I decided to purchase the PD30 for ~$53, I'd figured it'd be a small loss if the thing ever went tits up, then I'd have justification to spend the $200 on a surefire equivalent. I've come to realize that a Surefire, or any other light in this particular class, would not do a single thing more than I've asked of my PD30. Maybe I just got the Apex Fenix specimen, but given all the other anecdotes, I do not think that is the case. No you got a run of the mill Fenix light that works, for work and play.I have a Fenix and also a Nitecore light that are great ,but I still would not put it on any of my weapons as I want the known reliability of the Surefire that has been proven many times over. True enough. I can't speak to the effect of many thousands of recoil 'shock' events on a Fenix, as I've never used it, or any other light in that capacity. Surefire's reputation of reliability for that use is undisputed. I can only attest that it will stand up to hundreds of rounds so far. I have only had it on for 300 to 500 rounds. Seems to me I don't have to attest to how many rounds my Surefire 600c will stand up to as it's been done for me already. Mine cost $60. How much did your's cost again? My Scout Light was free. Well I did have to go out to dinner and drinks with some guys from surefire. Like i said earlier. Surefire takes care of the end users of their products. |
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I tried Fenix. The tailcap was reversed of what it should be. instead of press for momentary-click for on, it was click for on then press for momentary. The switch also felt cheap/mushy. My wife dropped it while walking the dog, it landed on the sidewalk and died. The Nuwaii Q-III is a better flashlight than my Fenix was. Surefire makes better lights than both. Price and lumens are not what i rate lights on. Reliability, durability and ease of use are what matters. I dont need a light that has a strobe feature, various outputs, low battery indicator, gps or mp3 player. I need a light that always turns on when i want it to. Stays turned off until i want it on and will survive being uses as an impact weapon, doorbell, dropped, kicked, step on for the 10-15 more years until i retire. As a counterpoint in favor of Fenix lights: I've carried my PD30 every single day since I bought it 20 months ago. I use it every day and the battery life is astounding, though I've never tracked time on or written down the times I needed to swap batteries. I've taken the light for granted and treated it worse than any tool I own, almost sadistically waiting for it to die. Anecdotally; twice in the same day a co-worker of mine dropped the thing from a 12 foot platform onto the concrete flooring below (or so my other co-workers and a couple of then recent scuffs informed me). No issues other than cosmetic. With the exception of dying batteries, not once have I ever noticed the light waver in its performance. I've never used a surefire, and I am sure they are fine lights. When I decided to purchase the PD30 for ~$53, I'd figured it'd be a small loss if the thing ever went tits up, then I'd have justification to spend the $200 on a surefire equivalent. I've come to realize that a Surefire, or any other light in this particular class, would not do a single thing more than I've asked of my PD30. Maybe I just got the Apex Fenix specimen, but given all the other anecdotes, I do not think that is the case. No you got a run of the mill Fenix light that works, for work and play.I have a Fenix and also a Nitecore light that are great ,but I still would not put it on any of my weapons as I want the known reliability of the Surefire that has been proven many times over. True enough. I can't speak to the effect of many thousands of recoil 'shock' events on a Fenix, as I've never used it, or any other light in that capacity. Surefire's reputation of reliability for that use is undisputed. I can only attest that it will stand up to hundreds of rounds so far. I have only had it on for 300 to 500 rounds. Seems to me I don't have to attest to how many rounds my Surefire 600c will stand up to as it's been done for me already. Mine cost $60. How much did your's cost again? My Scout Light was free. Well I did have to go out to dinner and drinks with some guys from surefire. Like i said earlier. Surefire takes care of the end users of their products. If a company was buying me drinks, dinner, and, giving me free gear, I'm sure I'd say the same thing. 
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Fondled a tk12 and a tk15 today. Strengthened my pro-surefire opinion. Just didn't like the feel. Seemed less solid and to-hell-and-back durable than a surefire.
If you want a solid alternative to surefires I highly suggest jetbeams. Very rugged had solid with similar options to fenix lights. Specifically check out the Jet-III M. The newest version with 355 lumens at $84 is nice. Bug out gear usa dot com. Nice people there too. (I know fenix supports this site and I do really like the fenix lights. I own and I do suggest people check them out sometimes but in this case I'm just giving my opinion) |
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Fondled a tk12 and a tk15 today. Strengthened my pro-surefire opinion. Just didn't like the feel. Seemed less solid and to-hell-and-back durable than a surefire. If you want a solid alternative to surefires I highly suggest jetbeams. Very rugged had solid with similar options to fenix lights. Specifically check out the Jet-III M. The newest version with 355 lumens at $84 is nice. Bug out gear usa dot com. Nice people there too. (I know fenix supports this site and I do really like the fenix lights. I own and I do suggest people check them out sometimes but in this case I'm just giving my opinion) Just looked at the Jetbeam jet III M , that looks like a bad ass light just wish it had strobe on it ! |
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Fondled a tk12 and a tk15 today. Strengthened my pro-surefire opinion. Just didn't like the feel. Seemed less solid and to-hell-and-back durable than a surefire. If you want a solid alternative to surefires I highly suggest jetbeams. Very rugged had solid with similar options to fenix lights. Specifically check out the Jet-III M. The newest version with 355 lumens at $84 is nice. Bug out gear usa dot com. Nice people there too. (I know fenix supports this site and I do really like the fenix lights. I own and I do suggest people check them out sometimes but in this case I'm just giving my opinion) Just looked at the Jetbeam jet III M , that looks like a bad ass light just wish it had strobe on it ! It does. Thats part of the user programmable mode. And you can set the strobe from slow to fast. ETA: Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82JLxaRvAAQ This one gives the overview of the light (older version with lower output as well) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EJkVNXsqNE That is the older version with only around 200 lumens. The new one is 355 lumens but with same functions and user interface. ETA again- found another one for the newest version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak0hHfCsZM4&feature=related |
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Fondled a tk12 and a tk15 today. Strengthened my pro-surefire opinion. Just didn't like the feel. Seemed less solid and to-hell-and-back durable than a surefire. If you want a solid alternative to surefires I highly suggest jetbeams. Very rugged had solid with similar options to fenix lights. Specifically check out the Jet-III M. The newest version with 355 lumens at $84 is nice. Bug out gear usa dot com. Nice people there too. (I know fenix supports this site and I do really like the fenix lights. I own and I do suggest people check them out sometimes but in this case I'm just giving my opinion) Just looked at the Jetbeam jet III M , that looks like a bad ass light just wish it had strobe on it ! It does. Thats part of the user programmable mode. And you can set the strobe from slow to fast. ETA: Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82JLxaRvAAQ This one gives the overview of the light (older version with lower output as well) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EJkVNXsqNE That is the older version with only around 200 lumens. The new one is 355 lumens but with same functions and user interface. ETA again- found another one for the newest version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak0hHfCsZM4&feature=related Ok , I may be sold on the Jet III M , watched the vids and that seems like a rugged light and has all the options I'm looking for ! What reflector is best , smooth or orange peel ? |
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it depends on what you're looking for. Smooth has better throw (ie distance) but the beam won't look as smooth or light up an area as well. Orange Peel will have a smoother beam, will light up a larger area, but might not light things up quite as far away.
The arfcommer in me thinks you should get both. I think you can buy spare reflectors for them and they're not hard change out at all. Good luck! |
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I have a number of lights from both brands. My Surefire lights are of better quality in terms of fit, finish, machining and materials. The Fenix lights work just as well in that neither brand has failed me. If I had to choose just one handheld light to own, it would be a Surefire. Probably my A2.
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I tried Fenix. The tailcap was reversed of what it should be. instead of press for momentary-click for on, it was click for on then press for momentary. The switch also felt cheap/mushy. My wife dropped it while walking the dog, it landed on the sidewalk and died. The Nuwaii Q-III is a better flashlight than my Fenix was. Surefire makes better lights than both. Price and lumens are not what i rate lights on. Reliability, durability and ease of use are what matters. I dont need a light that has a strobe feature, various outputs, low battery indicator, gps or mp3 player. I need a light that always turns on when i want it to. Stays turned off until i want it on and will survive being uses as an impact weapon, doorbell, dropped, kicked, step on for the 10-15 more years until i retire. As a counterpoint in favor of Fenix lights: I've carried my PD30 every single day since I bought it 20 months ago. I use it every day and the battery life is astounding, though I've never tracked time on or written down the times I needed to swap batteries. I've taken the light for granted and treated it worse than any tool I own, almost sadistically waiting for it to die. Anecdotally; twice in the same day a co-worker of mine dropped the thing from a 12 foot platform onto the concrete flooring below (or so my other co-workers and a couple of then recent scuffs informed me). No issues other than cosmetic. With the exception of dying batteries, not once have I ever noticed the light waver in its performance. I've never used a surefire, and I am sure they are fine lights. When I decided to purchase the PD30 for ~$53, I'd figured it'd be a small loss if the thing ever went tits up, then I'd have justification to spend the $200 on a surefire equivalent. I've come to realize that a Surefire, or any other light in this particular class, would not do a single thing more than I've asked of my PD30. Maybe I just got the Apex Fenix specimen, but given all the other anecdotes, I do not think that is the case. No you got a run of the mill Fenix light that works, for work and play.I have a Fenix and also a Nitecore light that are great ,but I still would not put it on any of my weapons as I want the known reliability of the Surefire that has been proven many times over. True enough. I can't speak to the effect of many thousands of recoil 'shock' events on a Fenix, as I've never used it, or any other light in that capacity. Surefire's reputation of reliability for that use is undisputed. I can only attest that it will stand up to hundreds of rounds so far. I have only had it on for 300 to 500 rounds. Seems to me I don't have to attest to how many rounds my Surefire 600c will stand up to as it's been done for me already. Mine cost $60. How much did your's cost again? My Scout Light was free. Well I did have to go out to dinner and drinks with some guys from surefire. Like i said earlier. Surefire takes care of the end users of their products. Ahhh, vendor advertising. Well I'm sure your opinion is as unbiased and impartial as they come...... ETA: For what its worth, I run SF lights myself. My next light will not be a SF, not because of any failings in the light but rather I want to try less expensive options. The fact it is does NOT take $400 to make a dead nuts reliable quality light. I love my SureFire lights, but I know when I'm paying for marketing. 
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Let me see, my Surefire 6P (actually marked Laser Products) which I carry everyday was purchased over 20 years ago, I have ONE light bulb change, which is changing over to the Surefire LED, my total cost, $70 +$30 = $100.
I have been carrying this light for 20 years, from light duty office work (I work in a vault), to patrol duty, heavy duty training, LE firearm instructor, when I was a PD reserve. It lived thru multiple training courses at Front Sight, Gunsite, and FTA, being dropped, roll down stairs, from table top, slam down into dirt or mud while rapid assumption of prone position...etc. Most anoidization have been worn out, the benzel have several dents on it, and is polished silver at the edge, but the switch is still perfect and the light comes on everytime I push the button. My cost, $10 a year, and is still reducing. Hell it out lasted two Uncle Mike's flashlight holder, and I am using the Surefire hard plastic holster now. I have several Surefire lights, including weapon lights, that are over 10 years old, and is still working without missing a beat. I had one X-200A that had "punched" door frames more than once and still working. Until any of these Fenix or other lesser Chi-Com made light make it more than 10 years with real abuse, never ever say they are even close to Surefire products. |
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I tried Fenix. The tailcap was reversed of what it should be. instead of press for momentary-click for on, it was click for on then press for momentary. The switch also felt cheap/mushy. My wife dropped it while walking the dog, it landed on the sidewalk and died. The Nuwaii Q-III is a better flashlight than my Fenix was. Surefire makes better lights than both. Price and lumens are not what i rate lights on. Reliability, durability and ease of use are what matters. I dont need a light that has a strobe feature, various outputs, low battery indicator, gps or mp3 player. I need a light that always turns on when i want it to. Stays turned off until i want it on and will survive being uses as an impact weapon, doorbell, dropped, kicked, step on for the 10-15 more years until i retire. As a counterpoint in favor of Fenix lights: I've carried my PD30 every single day since I bought it 20 months ago. I use it every day and the battery life is astounding, though I've never tracked time on or written down the times I needed to swap batteries. I've taken the light for granted and treated it worse than any tool I own, almost sadistically waiting for it to die. Anecdotally; twice in the same day a co-worker of mine dropped the thing from a 12 foot platform onto the concrete flooring below (or so my other co-workers and a couple of then recent scuffs informed me). No issues other than cosmetic. With the exception of dying batteries, not once have I ever noticed the light waver in its performance. I've never used a surefire, and I am sure they are fine lights. When I decided to purchase the PD30 for ~$53, I'd figured it'd be a small loss if the thing ever went tits up, then I'd have justification to spend the $200 on a surefire equivalent. I've come to realize that a Surefire, or any other light in this particular class, would not do a single thing more than I've asked of my PD30. Maybe I just got the Apex Fenix specimen, but given all the other anecdotes, I do not think that is the case. No you got a run of the mill Fenix light that works, for work and play.I have a Fenix and also a Nitecore light that are great ,but I still would not put it on any of my weapons as I want the known reliability of the Surefire that has been proven many times over. True enough. I can't speak to the effect of many thousands of recoil 'shock' events on a Fenix, as I've never used it, or any other light in that capacity. Surefire's reputation of reliability for that use is undisputed. I can only attest that it will stand up to hundreds of rounds so far. I have only had it on for 300 to 500 rounds. Seems to me I don't have to attest to how many rounds my Surefire 600c will stand up to as it's been done for me already. Mine cost $60. How much did your's cost again? My Scout Light was free. Well I did have to go out to dinner and drinks with some guys from surefire. Like i said earlier. Surefire takes care of the end users of their products. Ahhh, vendor advertising. Well I'm sure your opinion is as unbiased and impartial as they come...... Vendor? You have it completely wrong. Surefire takes care of the military and police end users of their products. They make sure they get what they need whether they can pay for it or not. Retail consumers may pay slightly inflated prices so that they can do it though. |
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I tried Fenix. The tailcap was reversed of what it should be. instead of press for momentary-click for on, it was click for on then press for momentary. The switch also felt cheap/mushy. My wife dropped it while walking the dog, it landed on the sidewalk and died. The Nuwaii Q-III is a better flashlight than my Fenix was. Surefire makes better lights than both. Price and lumens are not what i rate lights on. Reliability, durability and ease of use are what matters. I dont need a light that has a strobe feature, various outputs, low battery indicator, gps or mp3 player. I need a light that always turns on when i want it to. Stays turned off until i want it on and will survive being uses as an impact weapon, doorbell, dropped, kicked, step on for the 10-15 more years until i retire. As a counterpoint in favor of Fenix lights: I've carried my PD30 every single day since I bought it 20 months ago. I use it every day and the battery life is astounding, though I've never tracked time on or written down the times I needed to swap batteries. I've taken the light for granted and treated it worse than any tool I own, almost sadistically waiting for it to die. Anecdotally; twice in the same day a co-worker of mine dropped the thing from a 12 foot platform onto the concrete flooring below (or so my other co-workers and a couple of then recent scuffs informed me). No issues other than cosmetic. With the exception of dying batteries, not once have I ever noticed the light waver in its performance. I've never used a surefire, and I am sure they are fine lights. When I decided to purchase the PD30 for ~$53, I'd figured it'd be a small loss if the thing ever went tits up, then I'd have justification to spend the $200 on a surefire equivalent. I've come to realize that a Surefire, or any other light in this particular class, would not do a single thing more than I've asked of my PD30. Maybe I just got the Apex Fenix specimen, but given all the other anecdotes, I do not think that is the case. No you got a run of the mill Fenix light that works, for work and play.I have a Fenix and also a Nitecore light that are great ,but I still would not put it on any of my weapons as I want the known reliability of the Surefire that has been proven many times over. True enough. I can't speak to the effect of many thousands of recoil 'shock' events on a Fenix, as I've never used it, or any other light in that capacity. Surefire's reputation of reliability for that use is undisputed. I can only attest that it will stand up to hundreds of rounds so far. I have only had it on for 300 to 500 rounds. Seems to me I don't have to attest to how many rounds my Surefire 600c will stand up to as it's been done for me already. Mine cost $60. How much did your's cost again? My Scout Light was free. Well I did have to go out to dinner and drinks with some guys from surefire. Like i said earlier. Surefire takes care of the end users of their products. If a company was buying me drinks, dinner, and, giving me free gear, I'm sure I'd say the same thing. YEP! I will look at your post for surefire with a  from now on. There may be some truth but in a MSNBC way
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The SF and Laser Devices lights are mounted on weapons and the only lights I'll trust on my weapons. I carry Streamlight and Fenix on my duty belt. Each have their own roles. My streamlight HP xt throws a tighter beam than my Fenix TK40. I use the Streamlight for a spot light, I use the Fenix if I need to brighten up a whole building. Still don't believe the TK40 is 300 lumens much less their advertised 630 lumens. Thats when comparing it to my 200 lumen streamlight. I do like the Fenix though. |
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I'm tired of shipping money to China. This . . . in a very , very big damned way .
Will you guys get your asses in gear and make American made versions of Fenix and Quark lights for 1.5 times the price? I will buy them! Just make sure they have the form factor and user interface. I would happily pay more for an American light that has the features I want. Anyone want to step up so I can spend some money on US companies. Surefire has their heads up their asses so far that only the military and police matter. Their new two mode lights UI sucks because you have to scroll through the low to get to high. No twisty head to switch like the quark tactical. |
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Ok folks , here is what I ordered.......Jetbeam Jet III M , watch the vids above , looks like one tuff mofo ! $84 I'll post pics when it comes in ! http://www.flashaholics.co.uk/images/jetbeam/jetbeam-jet-iii-m-r5.jpg Excellent choice! I EDC a Jetbeam. They're great lights. I'd also recommend Olight. |
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If you want, and I owe this to CTbuilder1, you can put together a very solid weapons light for around 100 bucks as he shows here. A SF G2X for 55 looks like a good light with high output and good runtime. I dont think I'd use it if I were a door kicker but as an average Joe it seems to be a very solid solution. |
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Surefire has their heads up their asses so far that only the military and police matter. This is partially true. The first reponder/end uses matters at Surefire. More than the hobbiest or collector. Most of whom don't realize they are getting screwed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Another AR15.com thread that made me buy something. This thread sparked my interest about getting a flashlight so I started Googling Fenix lights. I found this and ordered it. Fenix TK35 (820 lumens) Link https://www.fenix-store.com/images/TK35-1.jpg Damn it man....you just cost me $120!!! My TK35 just came in, and all I've to say is FUCK THIS THING IS BRIGHT!! |
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Surefire has their heads up their asses so far that only the military and police matter. This is partially true. The first reponder/end uses matters at Surefire. More than the hobbiest or collector. Most of whom don't realize they are getting screwed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeah, I got screwed alright. I have an M600c, one of, if not the finest weapon light on the market. I can't believe the thing only has an on and off setting. I mean, for that much money shouldn't I have 20 brightness settings, 6 strobe patterns and at least three buttons? While we're at it, SF supressors are ovrpiced too. It doesn't matter that they have the most rok solid attachment system on the market, and have almost no zero shift. Other brands are a few db lower. They must be better and they are cheaper. There is more than lumens and multi functions when it comes to lights and there is more to supressors than just db levels. Surefire knows this and the people who use their products know this. |
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Surefire has their heads up their asses so far that only the military and police matter. This is partially true. The first reponder/end uses matters at Surefire. More than the hobbiest or collector. Most of whom don't realize they are getting screwed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeah, I got screwed alright. I have an M600c, one of, if not the finest weapon light on the market. I can't believe the thing only has an on and off setting. I mean, for that much money shouldn't I have 20 brightness settings, 6 strobe patterns and at least three buttons? While we're at it, SF supressors are ovrpiced too. It doesn't matter that they have the most rok solid attachment system on the market, and have almost no zero shift. Other brands are a few db lower. They must be better and they are cheaper. There is more than lumens and multi functions when it comes to lights and there is more to supressors than just db levels. Surefire knows this and the people who use their products know this. Wait a minute, you spent all that money on a light and it didnt come with a noisemaker to announce your presence? Man you got ripped off.... 
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I have SF, Laser Devices, Streamlight and Fenix. The SF and Laser Devices lights are mounted on weapons and the only lights I'll trust on my weapons. I carry Streamlight and Fenix on my duty belt. Each have their own roles. My streamlight HP xt throws a tighter beam than my Fenix TK40. I use the Streamlight for a spot light, I use the Fenix if I need to brighten up a whole building. Still don't believe the TK40 is 300 lumens much less their advertised 630 lumens. Thats when comparing it to my 200 lumen streamlight. I do like the Fenix though. The reason for this (unless Fenix has changed) is that they measure lumens as total output AT THE DIODE. Whereas Surefire measures ACTUAL light output, after hitting the reflector and passing through the lens etc. Hence why a 100 lumen surefire in use looks just as bright as almost anyone elses 250 lumen light. I like fenix lights, but its almost impossible to read lumens on a surefire light, and lumens on someone elses to have an accurate comparison. |
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I have lots of Surefires with aftermarket LED modules and protected Li ion rechargeable batteries. They make for a great combo. Do they make a LED replacment for the 9N bulb ? Not that I've seen. I have an SF 8NX full kit and would love an LED conversion for it! |
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I have SF, Laser Devices, Streamlight and Fenix. The SF and Laser Devices lights are mounted on weapons and the only lights I'll trust on my weapons. I carry Streamlight and Fenix on my duty belt. Each have their own roles. My streamlight HP xt throws a tighter beam than my Fenix TK40. I use the Streamlight for a spot light, I use the Fenix if I need to brighten up a whole building. Still don't believe the TK40 is 300 lumens much less their advertised 630 lumens. Thats when comparing it to my 200 lumen streamlight. I do like the Fenix though. The reason for this (unless Fenix has changed) is that they measure lumens as total output AT THE DIODE. Whereas Surefire measures ACTUAL light output, after hitting the reflector and passing through the lens etc. Hence why a 100 lumen surefire in use looks just as bright as almost anyone elses 250 lumen light. I like fenix lights, but its almost impossible to read lumens on a surefire light, and lumens on someone elses to have an accurate comparison. Fenix and Quark have been doing out the front lumens for a long time now. |
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Surefire has their heads up their asses so far that only the military and police matter. This is partially true. The first reponder/end uses matters at Surefire. More than the hobbiest or collector. Most of whom don't realize they are getting screwed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeah, I got screwed alright. I have an M600c, one of, if not the finest weapon light on the market. I can't believe the thing only has an on and off setting. I mean, for that much money shouldn't I have 20 brightness settings, 6 strobe patterns and at least three buttons? While we're at it, SF supressors are ovrpiced too. It doesn't matter that they have the most rok solid attachment system on the market, and have almost no zero shift. Other brands are a few db lower. They must be better and they are cheaper. There is more than lumens and multi functions when it comes to lights and there is more to supressors than just db levels. Surefire knows this and the people who use their products know this. You would think the douche bag's hand held two level lights would work without scrolling through both brightness modes to use it. You can't use it as a tactical light because it comes on in low. I am not arguing for many modes on a carbine light, but their hand held lights suck for user interface |