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4/18/2014 8:33:52 AM EDT
Whoa.

http://fd-defense.com/index.php/home/fd-news#F&D_v_LWRCI
4/18/2014 8:34:42 AM EDT
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Old news, dude.
4/18/2014 8:36:24 AM EDT
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Sorry I just came across it.



 
4/18/2014 8:38:27 AM EDT
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Aren't y'all supposed to supply a link if you call dupe?

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4/18/2014 8:39:50 AM EDT
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No, that's your job.
4/18/2014 8:44:34 AM EDT
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If people in the gun business spent as much time and money on R&D as they did  filling lawsuits we'd all have plasma rifles in the 40-watt range by now.  
4/18/2014 8:50:48 AM EDT
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Shit, off topic but since L-Dubs were brought up -

Stupid question and feeling too lazy to filter through Google so I'll understand any flames. Did Colt purchase LWRC?
4/18/2014 9:12:12 AM EDT
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Yup.
4/18/2014 9:17:55 AM EDT
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Funny, I didn't see that in my job description.
4/20/2014 5:09:37 AM EDT
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Shit, off topic but since L-Dubs were brought up -

Stupid question and feeling too lazy to filter through Google so I'll understand any flames. Did Colt purchase LWRC?
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4/20/2014 7:13:09 AM EDT
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Dupe...and the owner is all kinds of bragging about how brilliant he is.  Now him and Mark LaRue are comparing dicks.  Both those guys sure come across as dicks with ego and other related issues.
4/20/2014 10:35:43 AM EDT
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When you build the finest/best/highest quality/most accurate production AR on the planet, you should brag too.

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4/20/2014 11:06:30 AM EDT
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4/20/2014 11:09:42 AM EDT
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 Riiiight.  Let's see the test targets or an independent review that you don't have a plethora of excuses for regarding why your rifle shot almost as well as a DPMS 308.
4/20/2014 4:02:04 PM EDT
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 Riiiight.  Let's see the test targets or an independent review that you don't have a plethora of excuses for regarding why your rifle shot almost as well as a DPMS 308.

Done. Muliple times.

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4/20/2014 4:09:04 PM EDT
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4/20/2014 4:20:21 PM EDT
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Hello George!  
4/20/2014 4:22:57 PM EDT
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WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY M LARUE IS ROASTING YOUR CHOPS.
4/20/2014 4:23:34 PM EDT
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http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/patent-lawsuits/maryland-district-court/763183/lwrc-international-llc-v-f-d-defense-llc-et-al/summary/        



LWRCI filed suit in MD over a week ago but yet no update on the F&D website. I do not feel fully informed.
ETA: The LWRCI suit filed in TX is on the F&D website but not the second one in MD.
 
4/20/2014 4:34:58 PM EDT
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 Riiiight.  Let's see the test targets or an independent review that you don't have a plethora of excuses for regarding why your rifle shot almost as well as a DPMS 308.

Done. Muliple times.

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Links or GTFO.
4/20/2014 4:39:57 PM EDT
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In on this one...
4/20/2014 5:40:24 PM EDT
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WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY M LARUE IS ROASTING YOUR CHOPS.

Riiiight... which is why he crawled back into his little hole.
Marky Mark... sit back and learn from a real rifle-maker... as always.

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4/20/2014 5:48:36 PM EDT
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I'd have to think so.
4/20/2014 5:49:32 PM EDT
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 Riiiight.  Let's see the test targets or an independent review that you don't have a plethora of excuses for regarding why your rifle shot almost as well as a DPMS 308.

Done. Muliple times.

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Links or GTFO.


This.
4/20/2014 7:58:38 PM EDT
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 Riiiight.  Let's see the test targets or an independent review that you don't have a plethora of excuses for regarding why your rifle shot almost as well as a DPMS 308.

Done. Muliple times.

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Links or GTFO.



LOL, What link's? Has this rifle won a single match? Do any state or government agency's use this rifle? Has this rifle done a fucking thing to back up these outlandish claim's?????

4/20/2014 8:22:00 PM EDT
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4/20/2014 8:31:49 PM EDT
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Awww hell yeah in for the trash talk and bullshit.
4/20/2014 8:35:03 PM EDT
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Marky Mark... sit back and learn from a real rifle-maker... as always.

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WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY M LARUE IS ROASTING YOUR CHOPS.

Riiiight... which is why he crawled back into his little hole.
Marky Mark... sit back and learn from a real rifle-maker... as always.

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Sig line
4/21/2014 2:49:41 AM EDT
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LOL, What link's? Has this rifle won a single match? Do any state or government agency's use this rifle? Has this rifle done a fucking thing to back up these outlandish claim's?????

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This as well.
4/21/2014 3:00:00 AM EDT
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WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY M LARUE IS ROASTING YOUR CHOPS.

Riiiight... which is why he crawled back into his little hole.
Marky Mark... sit back and learn from a real rifle-maker... as always.

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You.  Are.  Not.  Right.  In.  The.  Head.
4/21/2014 3:45:59 AM EDT
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WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY M LARUE IS ROASTING YOUR CHOPS.


Riiiight... which is why he crawled back into his little hole.

Marky Mark... sit back and learn from a real rifle-maker... as always.



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You are the one that "crawled back into his little hole".  LaRue was in that thread for 3+ days waiting for you to return.





 
4/21/2014 3:50:44 AM EDT
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Lulz, avoiding the other thread
4/21/2014 3:55:18 AM EDT
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WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY M LARUE IS ROASTING YOUR CHOPS.

Riiiight... which is why he crawled back into his little hole.
Marky Mark... sit back and learn from a real rifle-maker... as always.

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You are the one that "crawled back into his little hole".  LaRue was in that thread for 3+ days waiting for you to return.

 


Link me to that thread?
4/21/2014 3:56:57 AM EDT
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WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY M LARUE IS ROASTING YOUR CHOPS.

Riiiight... which is why he crawled back into his little hole.
Marky Mark... sit back and learn from a real rifle-maker... as always.

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4/21/2014 4:07:21 AM EDT
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That's the one.  Last page, but the rest of the thread is quite entertaining.  



 
4/21/2014 4:32:57 AM EDT
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Thanks, guys.
4/21/2014 4:37:34 AM EDT
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Wow you learned that in just 6 months and 200 posts

Also what makes you think that Whoever you are talking about, builds the finest/best/highest quality/most accurate production AR on the planet?
Did the fairy godmother tell you that?
Or is it just your vast testing all of the other High Quality rifles being made out there
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Wow you learned that in just 6 months and 200 posts

Also what makes you think that Whoever you are talking about, builds the finest/best/highest quality/most accurate production AR on the planet?
Did the fairy godmother tell you that?
Or is it just your vast testing all of the other High Quality rifles being made out there


He's referring to himself.
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Wow you learned that in just 6 months and 200 posts



Also what makes you think that Larue, builds the finest/best/highest quality/most accurate production AR on the planet?

Did the fairy godmother tell you that?

Or is it just your vast testing all of the other High Quality rifles being made out there


I think you are confused.  CHall isn't taking about LaRue's rifles.  He's talking about his own, aka F&D.  



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As he represents himself in court, the judge will ask the same questions too.
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Wow you learned that in just 6 months and 200 posts

Also what makes you think that Whoever you are talking about, builds the finest/best/highest quality/most accurate production AR on the planet?
Did the fairy godmother tell you that?
Or is it just your vast testing all of the other High Quality rifles being made out there


He's referring to himself.


So, c_hall  builds the finest/best/highest quality/most accurate production AR on the planet?.. That's a mighty big statement to make.
I wonder how his wonder guns stand up to Les Bauer? He guarantees .500 or under. You can beat that, I guess?
Wow some people have egos the size of Mt Everest. Nice to see them get knocked down to the size of PEA Gravel.

Off to read the linked thread.
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So, c_hall  builds the finest/best/highest quality/most accurate production AR on the planet?.. That's a mighty big statement to make.
I wonder how his wonder guns stand up to Les Bauer? He guarantees .500 or under. You can beat that, I guess?
Wow some people have egos the size of Mt Everest. Nice to see them get knocked down to the size of PEA Gravel.

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Wow you learned that in just 6 months and 200 posts

Also what makes you think that Whoever you are talking about, builds the finest/best/highest quality/most accurate production AR on the planet?
Did the fairy godmother tell you that?
Or is it just your vast testing all of the other High Quality rifles being made out there


He's referring to himself.


So, c_hall  builds the finest/best/highest quality/most accurate production AR on the planet?.. That's a mighty big statement to make.
I wonder how his wonder guns stand up to Les Bauer? He guarantees .500 or under. You can beat that, I guess?
Wow some people have egos the size of Mt Everest. Nice to see them get knocked down to the size of PEA Gravel.

Off to read the linked thread.


I chuckled when I spotted the switch to "production" rifles.  I'll guess he doesn't want to lose a match to a "custom" rifle.

Hall's comments must be considered carefully, if he's skilled at anything, it's in subtle moves in his commentary.

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Well I just read 4 of 10 pages in the other thread. Seemed to me that there was no difference in any of the pages I read. They were basically the same shit. Over and over again.
I will say one thing. If I ever want to buy a top tier 308. I won't be buying one of , c_hall's  rifles. I'll buy the Les Bauer. That way I know I'll get .500. Not some pie in the sky .343-.900 groups . Les's 1911's are world renowned. He doesn't take his name lightly

I also own 3 Mega 10's all with Krieger Fluted stainless barrels head spaced to my supplied bolts. At least I have a good barrel according to C_ball. But they probably aren't as good as the Krieger's that HE GETS!

C_hall , is just another guy that thinks his shit smells like Roses. I don't want anything to do with a person like that.
I buy Larue stuff. But mostly mounts.
What a wasted morning it has been reading this crap.
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Wow you learned that in just 6 months and 200 posts

Also what makes you think that Whoever you are talking about, builds the finest/best/highest quality/most accurate production AR on the planet?
Did the fairy godmother tell you that?
Or is it just your vast testing all of the other High Quality rifles being made out there


He's talking about himself.
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Well I just read 4 of 10 pages in the other thread. Seemed to me that there was no difference in any of the pages I read. They were basically the same shit. Over and over again.
I will say one thing. If I ever want to buy a top tier 308. I won't be buying one of , c_hall's  rifles. I'll buy the Les Bauer. That way I know I'll get .500. Not some pie in the sky .343-.900 groups . Les's 1911's are world renowned. He doesn't take his name lightly

I also own 3 Mega 10's all with Krieger Fluted stainless barrels head spaced to my supplied bolts. At least I have a good barrel according to C_ball. But they probably aren't as good as the Krieger's that HE GETS!

C_hall , is just another guy that thinks his shit smells like Roses. I don't want anything to do with a person like that.
I buy Larue stuff. But mostly mounts.
What a wasted morning it has been reading this crap.
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Here is a CHALLENGE to any AR maker. YOU vs ME. 30 shot average and best 5 round group. You beat me in both and you can have my company. If I win both I take your company. If each wins one, its a draw. TAKERS? This is the real deal.

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Here is a CHALLENGE to any AR maker. YOU vs ME. 30 shot average and best 5 round group. You beat me in both and you can have my company. If I win both I take your company. If each wins one, its a draw. TAKERS? This is the real deal.

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Well I just read 4 of 10 pages in the other thread. Seemed to me that there was no difference in any of the pages I read. They were basically the same shit. Over and over again.
I will say one thing. If I ever want to buy a top tier 308. I won't be buying one of , c_hall's  rifles. I'll buy the Les Bauer. That way I know I'll get .500. Not some pie in the sky .343-.900 groups . Les's 1911's are world renowned. He doesn't take his name lightly

I also own 3 Mega 10's all with Krieger Fluted stainless barrels head spaced to my supplied bolts. At least I have a good barrel according to C_ball. But they probably aren't as good as the Krieger's that HE GETS!

C_hall , is just another guy that thinks his shit smells like Roses. I don't want anything to do with a person like that.
I buy Larue stuff. But mostly mounts.
What a wasted morning it has been reading this crap.

Here is a CHALLENGE to any AR maker. YOU vs ME. 30 shot average and best 5 round group. You beat me in both and you can have my company. If I win both I take your company. If each wins one, its a draw. TAKERS? This is the real deal.

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Heres a challenge! Can your d*** touch your a**? Well then go.....


Seriously if you want to put your money where your mouth is send one of your rifles to a member and have him test fire it. Hell, I'll sign a contract saying ill pay your ridiculous for an unknown product price if it lives up to your talk.
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Here is a CHALLENGE to any AR maker. YOU vs ME. 30 shot average and best 5 round group. You beat me in both and you can have my company. If I win both I take your company. If each wins one, its a draw. TAKERS? This is the real deal.

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Well I just read 4 of 10 pages in the other thread. Seemed to me that there was no difference in any of the pages I read. They were basically the same shit. Over and over again.
I will say one thing. If I ever want to buy a top tier 308. I won't be buying one of , c_hall's  rifles. I'll buy the Les Bauer. That way I know I'll get .500. Not some pie in the sky .343-.900 groups . Les's 1911's are world renowned. He doesn't take his name lightly

I also own 3 Mega 10's all with Krieger Fluted stainless barrels head spaced to my supplied bolts. At least I have a good barrel according to C_ball. But they probably aren't as good as the Krieger's that HE GETS!

C_hall , is just another guy that thinks his shit smells like Roses. I don't want anything to do with a person like that.
I buy Larue stuff. But mostly mounts.
What a wasted morning it has been reading this crap.

Here is a CHALLENGE to any AR maker. YOU vs ME. 30 shot average and best 5 round group. You beat me in both and you can have my company. If I win both I take your company. If each wins one, its a draw. TAKERS? This is the real deal.

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We read that LWRCI filed suit against you. Will you even have a company to wager on the internet when their lawyers are done with you?

Any comments on pending litigation against yourself?
4/21/2014 6:45:49 PM EDT
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Here is a CHALLENGE to any AR maker. YOU vs ME. 30 shot average and best 5 round group. You beat me in both and you can have my company. If I win both I take your company. If each wins one, its a draw. TAKERS? This is the real deal.

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Well I just read 4 of 10 pages in the other thread. Seemed to me that there was no difference in any of the pages I read. They were basically the same shit. Over and over again.
I will say one thing. If I ever want to buy a top tier 308. I won't be buying one of , c_hall's  rifles. I'll buy the Les Bauer. That way I know I'll get .500. Not some pie in the sky .343-.900 groups . Les's 1911's are world renowned. He doesn't take his name lightly

I also own 3 Mega 10's all with Krieger Fluted stainless barrels head spaced to my supplied bolts. At least I have a good barrel according to C_ball. But they probably aren't as good as the Krieger's that HE GETS!

C_hall , is just another guy that thinks his shit smells like Roses. I don't want anything to do with a person like that.
I buy Larue stuff. But mostly mounts.
What a wasted morning it has been reading this crap.

Here is a CHALLENGE to any AR maker. YOU vs ME. 30 shot average and best 5 round group. You beat me in both and you can have my company. If I win both I take your company. If each wins one, its a draw. TAKERS? This is the real deal.

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lol!    Why would any of them do this? If you win you get a established company that build's high quality rifles that actuality ship out to their customers. If they win they get what exactly?    
4/21/2014 6:49:31 PM EDT
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We read that LWRCI filed suit against you. Will you even have a company to wager on the internet when their lawyers are done with you?

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Well I just read 4 of 10 pages in the other thread. Seemed to me that there was no difference in any of the pages I read. They were basically the same shit. Over and over again.
I will say one thing. If I ever want to buy a top tier 308. I won't be buying one of , c_hall's  rifles. I'll buy the Les Bauer. That way I know I'll get .500. Not some pie in the sky .343-.900 groups . Les's 1911's are world renowned. He doesn't take his name lightly

I also own 3 Mega 10's all with Krieger Fluted stainless barrels head spaced to my supplied bolts. At least I have a good barrel according to C_ball. But they probably aren't as good as the Krieger's that HE GETS!

C_hall , is just another guy that thinks his shit smells like Roses. I don't want anything to do with a person like that.
I buy Larue stuff. But mostly mounts.
What a wasted morning it has been reading this crap.

Here is a CHALLENGE to any AR maker. YOU vs ME. 30 shot average and best 5 round group. You beat me in both and you can have my company. If I win both I take your company. If each wins one, its a draw. TAKERS? This is the real deal.

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We read that LWRCI filed suit against you. Will you even have a company to wager on the internet when their lawyers are done with you?

Any comments on pending litigation against yourself?

That suit against f&d is a ruse and will be combined to my prior suit against them. End of story.

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4/21/2014 6:50:26 PM EDT
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Here is a CHALLENGE to any AR maker. YOU vs ME. 30 shot average and best 5 round group. You beat me in both and you can have my company. If I win both I take your company. If each wins one, its a draw. TAKERS? This is the real deal.

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Well I just read 4 of 10 pages in the other thread. Seemed to me that there was no difference in any of the pages I read. They were basically the same shit. Over and over again.
I will say one thing. If I ever want to buy a top tier 308. I won't be buying one of , c_hall's  rifles. I'll buy the Les Bauer. That way I know I'll get .500. Not some pie in the sky .343-.900 groups . Les's 1911's are world renowned. He doesn't take his name lightly

I also own 3 Mega 10's all with Krieger Fluted stainless barrels head spaced to my supplied bolts. At least I have a good barrel according to C_ball. But they probably aren't as good as the Krieger's that HE GETS!

C_hall , is just another guy that thinks his shit smells like Roses. I don't want anything to do with a person like that.
I buy Larue stuff. But mostly mounts.
What a wasted morning it has been reading this crap.

Here is a CHALLENGE to any AR maker. YOU vs ME. 30 shot average and best 5 round group. You beat me in both and you can have my company. If I win both I take your company. If each wins one, its a draw. TAKERS? This is the real deal.

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Meh, I don't need another manual lathe and a Sears drill press, but I did find a post from a thread started over on the LaRue side of the house ...


A thread on here last week about the repeatability of Larue removable scope mounts prompted me to do some testing.  Let me preface this with the admission that I am just a guy that has a passion for the best of the best when it comes to all things firearm related. For me, the most important factor in all firearms, is accuracy and precision, regardless of what it costs.  There are many high priced weapon platforms, scopes...etc. that I have bought and sold or do not use because they don't fit my needs accuracy and precision wise.  That does not make these products bad, everyone has their expectations and use for a product, for my use and needs these did not prove themselves to be what I want. Let me also say I am by no means a formally instructed , white coat wearing, lab product vetting type of any sort. Point is I am sure that there are better ways to test these mounts but this is how I did it and in my mind it seems to have been a feasibly relevant test. On to the good stuff.


As some here that may have seen in previous posts of mine, I have what is IMO, an extraordinarily accurate 18" OBR.  A rifle that shots far better than 1/2 MOA, 1/4 MOA is closer to the average, every time it spits a projectile out. The perfect platform to test any optic, mount etc.  If this rifle does not shoot it is the fault of something other than the rifle itself.


Test Rifle:


Larue 2012 yr model 18" OBR


Nightforce NXS 5.5-22x56 scope.


TBA Supressor


Handloaded Ammunition 175g Berger OTM


Mount Tested:


Laure LT112 PSR20,  this is the 20 MOA mount.  








This rifle has had somewhere around 1000 rounds shot out of it.  The only scope it has ever worn is this nightforce scope.  This LT112 mount has been on the rifle for roughly 500 of those rounds.  I changed to the 20 MOA LT112 to get more distance out of the scope.  1300 yards was max using the full adjustment range and the reticle with the previous LT111.  The LT112 got me to 95 MOA of adjustment which gets me wayyyy out there.


 In the past when I have seen comments criticizing Larue mounts there is talk of "slide marks" on the underside of the mount, where it has slid back and forth under recoil. I will agree that this is a highly likely scenario with a mount that is NOT adjusted properly.  In the next picture you will see that this mount with over 500 rounds, has no sign of slide marks.  In fact you will see the oil dots where the rail contacts the mount and they are pristine where they ride the rail.  This photo was taken after firing the first 3 shots as the test control target.  








I have also seen comments criticizing Larue mounts that if the mount was tight enough to keep from sliding then the levers would tear up the rail.  I do not remove the scope from this rifle very often, maybe it has been off 10-15 times over the period of 500 rounds.  After I was done shooting this test and had removed and re mounted the scope 8 times, I took this photo of the rail.  There is no damage or distortion to the rail.  There are several spots where the Anodizing has been marred, which IMO is a non issue and not what I would call damage.





Now the meat.  It has been well documented here with load development in this rifle how well it will shoot.  I shot a 3 round control group to compare the next two targets to.  I know there are people here that require 76 round groups to agree anything is proven, give me a pass here, a 5 round test group would have just made the final results boring, trust me.  For the test I had a single target with 6 aiming points, I only used the top row of 3.  The first group on the left, is the control group.  For the next group I removed the scope, took pictures of the underside of the LT112 (posted above) Fired one round, removed scope, fired another, removed scope and fired another, for a 3 round group.  The next target I did the same, starting by removing the scope and re mounting and then shot a 5 shot group with the same remove/shoot procedure.  





1. control group size:  .264


2. 3 shot group size:  .341  (Removed/mounted every shot)


3. 5 shot group size   .344  (Removed/mounted every shot)


In my opinion I would say this is a fairly revealing test.  With these results it is hard to dispute that the Larue mount, when properly adjusted, will return to zero in an amazingly consistent manner.  Going in to this I had assumed that the results would be great but I honestly did not think it would be this consistent.  I figured if there was less then 1/2 MOA movement then I was happy and the test was a success.  If this rifle still shot MOA with a 5 shot remove/mount group I thought that would be excellent results.  I am sure these results are no news to the folks at Larue, Mark and Mark are likely saying, "told you sumbitches".......  I am a fan of Larue products because they work, they are quality engineered and executed and last but not least they reside in the greatest country known to man......................TEXAS















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