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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:38:20 PM EDT
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The comments section is rather... colorful. 
There is one guy there one taco short of a full platter |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:39:42 PM EDT
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My liberal friend will argue that crime follows socioeconomic groupings more so than race, and that the only reason blacks are over-represented is because they are poorer. I'll have to check these data out to see if they list socioeconomic status.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:41:46 PM EDT
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My liberal friend will argue that crime follows socioeconomic groupings more so than race, and that the only reason blacks are over-represented is because they are poorer. I'll have to check these data out to see if they list socioeconomic status. Would be interesting to see the numbers of people living below the poverty line, grouped by race. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:43:26 PM EDT
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My liberal friend will argue that crime follows socioeconomic groupings more so than race, and that the only reason blacks are over-represented is because they are poorer. I'll have to check these data out to see if they list socioeconomic status.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:48:13 PM EDT
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There are a hell of a lot more impoverished white people in this country than black, so per usual your lib friend is full of shit to his eyeballs. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/284035/poverty-331533.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My liberal friend will argue that crime follows socioeconomic groupings more so than race, and that the only reason blacks are over-represented is because they are poorer. I'll have to check these data out to see if they list socioeconomic status. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/284035/poverty-331533.JPG If his lib friend is right, the crime rate among those living under the poverty line should be pretty uniform across all races. I'll bet it isn't. 
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:50:44 PM EDT
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The comments section is rather... colorful.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:50:49 PM EDT
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People do have to keep one thing in mind, it isn't the pigment in the skin or some innate criminality, it's the culture that many American blacks have embraced. There was a time that you could have made similar charts with Scots-Irish Irish Italians Vs WASPish Americans of English stock |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:53:45 PM EDT
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Even more fascinating, would be to see how the crimes break down among those living under the poverty line, by race. I'm not even sure where you would find data like that, but I'd love to see it. If his lib friend is right, the crime rate among those living under the poverty line should be pretty uniform across all races. I'll bet it isn't. 
Some interesting findings. edit: well this is victimization stats, not perpetrator but still. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:55:00 PM EDT
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One thing you need to keep in mind, "Hispanic" is often in the eye of the beholder. Many reporting agencies don't even have a separate category for them.
If we could get truly accurate numbers, I think people would be shocked at how little of the violent crime in this country is committed by whites. (Well, some people would be shocked.) |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:02:10 PM EDT
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My liberal friend will argue that crime follows socioeconomic groupings more so than race, and that the only reason blacks are over-represented is because they are poorer. I'll have to check these data out to see if they list socioeconomic status. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:04:49 PM EDT
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You're one taco short of a full platter. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:06:55 PM EDT
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Tell him socioeconomic is not the cause, it is another result. Plenty of people have come to this country from all over the world and have found a way to integrate and succeed. I have known a guy that as a child, was an evacuee from Vietnam. Told me about living in alleyways with nothing but underwear on shortly there after. Eventually made it to the US, became an electrical engineer, bought a small chicken house and grew that business over time into many chicken houses, enough that he quite doing engineering work to work the farms. Dude still can't hardly speak English but apparently hasn't used that as an excuse to make something of himself and be a part of society. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:07:49 PM EDT
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And the Asians didn't even make the cut. 
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:16:49 PM EDT
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Rasis |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:19:23 PM EDT
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Those stats are the result of racist police refusing to arrest whites and framing blacks for white crime! |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:21:09 PM EDT
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Asked my co worker and she said it's pretty much as long as you don't kill someone it's cool Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if Mexico and the other Latin American countries have DUI laws.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:21:32 PM EDT
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Even more fascinating, would be to see how the crimes break down among those living under the poverty line, by race. I'm not even sure where you would find data like that, but I'd love to see it. If his lib friend is right, the crime rate among those living under the poverty line should be pretty uniform across all races. I'll bet it isn't. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:22:57 PM EDT
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It would have been a clean sweep if the Hispanics hadn't stepped up and taken the DUI crown.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:23:46 PM EDT
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Heck I might take a knee to protest black crime rates.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:23:53 PM EDT
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Hispanics been getting their drunk on |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:27:16 PM EDT
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I forgot DUI is a crime in the majority of states.
We don't report DUIs under UCR. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:28:53 PM EDT
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White Christian male checking in.
Can someone explain again how I caused this? |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:34:31 PM EDT
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I have a pretty good feeling (and that's all it is - a hunch) that there are a lot more poor white people in this country than there are poor black people. Would be interesting to see the numbers of people living below the poverty line, grouped by race. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:37:05 PM EDT
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People do have to keep one thing in mind, it isn't the pigment in the skin or some innate criminality, it's the culture that many American blacks have embraced. There was a time that you could have made similar charts with Scots-Irish Irish Italians Vs WASPish Americans of English stock While many immigrant groups have indeed had somewhat higher crime rates than their peer groups, this differences were typically quite a bit smaller, and likely more explained by general poverty and other typical causes more so than the deep seated cultural issues that still plague African-Americans. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 3:10:25 PM EDT
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There are a hell of a lot more impoverished white people in this country than black, so per usual your lib friend is full of shit to his eyeballs. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/284035/poverty-331533.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My liberal friend will argue that crime follows socioeconomic groupings more so than race, and that the only reason blacks are over-represented is because they are poorer. I'll have to check these data out to see if they list socioeconomic status. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/284035/poverty-331533.JPG The statistics are given in a rate per 100,000 people. You have to use to percent of the population in poverty. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 4:34:13 PM EDT
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When I tell people why I want to move to certain States, they get upet, untl I explain the statitics.
I’m getting old, I’m not all up for a fight anymore... Not looking for one. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 4:37:31 PM EDT
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Someone want to calculate as a percentage of the population and replot the graphs?.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 4:37:58 PM EDT
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Yikes!!!!! Those numbers are pretty telling.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 4:38:26 PM EDT
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Damn Pedro loves to booze cruise. That was surprising. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 4:41:22 PM EDT
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I wonder if Mexico and the other Latin American countries have DUI laws. I wouldn't try this is you are not Mexican. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 4:44:42 PM EDT
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Someone want to calculate as a percentage of the population and replot the graphs?. Here's another way to view it though: Raw Data from FBI:  Attached FileSorry, I looked up the census data earlier, and it was a pain, so I'm just giving you Google:  Attached File52.6% of murders are committed by a 13.3% minority. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 4:49:13 PM EDT
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People do have to keep one thing in mind, it isn't the pigment in the skin or some innate criminality, it's the culture that many American blacks have embraced. There was a time that you could have made similar charts with Scots-Irish Irish Italians Vs WASPish Americans of English stock
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Posted: 10/12/2017 4:51:57 PM EDT
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Note that homicide went down during the Great Depression.
I believe the spike in homicides that started around 1900 was due to immigration. The early republic had a low homicide rate. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 4:57:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:00:52 PM EDT
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If you actually look at from a socioecomic point it is very close, a class I was in back in 06-07 did this to prove a point to the professor. By the way one statement is the exception, rape...
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:06:14 PM EDT
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Damn we cant even win DUI's this year?
Surely we took embezzlement. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:09:21 PM EDT
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Damn we cant even win DUI's this year? Surely we took embezzlement.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:13:49 PM EDT
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Damn we cant even win DUI's this year? Surely we took embezzlement. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:15:45 PM EDT
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Meh, arfcom likes to point over and over to the same problems, yet never offers up solutions. No different than a bunch of old women gossiping.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:20:12 PM EDT
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actually... not so much. While many immigrant groups have indeed had somewhat higher crime rates than their peer groups, this differences were typically quite a bit smaller, and likely more explained by general poverty and other typical causes more so than the deep seated cultural issues that still plague African-Americans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People do have to keep one thing in mind, it isn't the pigment in the skin or some innate criminality, it's the culture that many American blacks have embraced. There was a time that you could have made similar charts with Scots-Irish Irish Italians Vs WASPish Americans of English stock While many immigrant groups have indeed had somewhat higher crime rates than their peer groups, this differences were typically quite a bit smaller, and likely more explained by general poverty and other typical causes more so than the deep seated cultural issues that still plague African-Americans. It is staggering But I will argue that there is some inherent problem with black skin. I'm not just talking about immigrants. Southerners who never let go of their scots Irish culture remained stupid under achieving, violent morons. Those who came from the borderlands of England and Scotland AFTER those lands were pacified and the culture chsnged, were not the rednedk stereotype we still sometimes see today |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:21:19 PM EDT
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Clean sweep |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:21:44 PM EDT
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The DUI thing for hispanics does not shock me at all. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:21:52 PM EDT
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Meh, arfcom likes to point over and over to the same problems, yet never offers up solutions. No different than a bunch of old women gossiping. Further, the lack of a solution is due to the left. Rudy et al did a good job reducing crime in high crime cities, but the methods are at odds with the left wing agenda. Obama and BLM made inner city homicides surge, and they don't care because they don't really care about black lives. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:31:35 PM EDT
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I won't argue the huge disparity of the current numbers It is staggering But I will argue that there is some inherent problem with black skin. I'm not just talking about immigrants. Southerners who never let go of their scots Irish culture remained stupid under achieving, violent morons. Those who came from the borderlands of England and Scotland AFTER those lands were pacified and the culture chsnged, were not the rednedk stereotype we still sometimes see today Hell, the English of the Hundred Years War period were damn violent towards the French. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:35:29 PM EDT
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Meh, arfcom likes to point over and over to the same problems, yet never offers up solutions. No different than a bunch of old women gossiping. It strikes me as more of the same old identity politics that we see everywhere else. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:37:20 PM EDT
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And the Asians didn't even make the cut. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:43:32 PM EDT
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Aids the site has.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:45:44 PM EDT
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White Christian male checking in. Can someone explain again how I caused this?
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:47:19 PM EDT
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I agree. But I don't think we go so far as to understand the problem. We just point out that it exists. It strikes me as more of the same old identity politics that we see everywhere else. I think the answer is fairly simple. Use the crime fighting methods that have been shown to work in the places with the high crime problems, and also approach the problem honestly and openly and, essentially, call out the dysfunctional inner city black culture that is the cause. Instead of excusing and celebrating that culture. However, the Democrats won't do this. They are in fact dependent on such disfunction. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:47:23 PM EDT
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Meh, arfcom likes to point over and over to the same problems, yet never offers up solutions. No different than a bunch of old women gossiping. They know the bad things they do is wrong but they do it anyway, who do you blame for that again? |
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