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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:43:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .270 better Agreed |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:45:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually I believe the .50 BMG is an upsized 30-06 round. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's just a downsized .50 bmg round  Actually I believe the .50 BMG is an upsized 30-06 round. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:47:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50867198031_01313a0c23_b.jpgIMG_0062 by Blasta3636, on Flickr Currently only have the ole' Mennonite Machine gun in 06. Cool gun, I inherited it from my 90 year old neighbor. As far as I can tell it's a mid 70s 760 sporting a Leupold M8 fixed 4x with the center dot reticle. He won it at an auction back in the day he didn't attend. He said his co worker picked it up for him and "forgot" to tell him he won it until another guy let the cat out of the bag. I put a deer down with it a few years ago, it's a sweet setup here in the thick NEPA woods. He has had some health problems lately, called me over one day and told me the rifle was mine he had no more use for it and with the families blessing he wanted to pass it on to me for helping him out over the years. It's a special piece to me, and I'll hang on to it for the rest of my life.  "Mennonite Machingun" I swear, the majority of pump 30-06 ever produced were sold in PA. Speed |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:55:17 PM EDT
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Meh..the .308 is a more accurate cartridge with less recoil delivering 95% of the performance. I hate long actions too, so there's that. Got rid of my one and only .30-06 some years ago and don't miss it. But if it makes you happy, fo for it.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:55:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Mennonite Machingun" I swear, the majority of pump 30-06 ever produced were sold in PA. Speed Isn't owning one a requirement for PA citizenship? (Note to self: Add pump-action 30.06 to shopping list.) |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:56:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed The .270 first appeared in 1925 chambered in the Winchester Model 54. The Winchester Model 54 was a blatant copy of the Mauser 98 and Winchester wanted a slightly different cartridge for their new rifle. Charles Newton had already developed a 6.5 cartridge based on the .30-06. ( The .256 Newton developed in 1913). Wilhelm Brenneke developed the 7x64mm in 1917, so necking the .30-06 down to 7mm didn't have much appeal. Instead, Winchester engineers multiplied the .308 bullet diameter of the .30-06 by 90%. And that's how they came up with the .277" bore diameter. Thus the .270 was born. The .270 was a waste of time. Both the 7x64 and .256 Newton were better cartridges. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:56:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. Regardless of what anyone says, it is the overall best rifle cartridge ever produced. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:58:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @popnfresh I'm intrigued. Pm me some details would ya. Got some 185 hybrids to try (haven't had time) but figured I'd have a hard time w 230s at mag length... but now you've got me thinking... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I love the .30-06 Short. I call this load the .308 Freight Train. It's heavy, slow and takes forever to slow down. It comes in 2 versions S and M Single feed and Mag length. From a 20" barrel it has a supersonic range of 1320 and 1270 yards in standard Atmos. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83091/230otm_6_shot_zps1k5lck7h_jpg-1792898.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83091/230OTM_5__shot_zpsu8lk2wy1_jpg-1792897.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83091/CIMG2476_zpsobuwa5lj_JPG-1792886.JPG I reality I just wish I had a .30-06  @popnfresh I'm intrigued. Pm me some details would ya. Got some 185 hybrids to try (haven't had time) but figured I'd have a hard time w 230s at mag length... but now you've got me thinking... The Berger 230 OTM fits at mag length.... well.. I load at about 2.830" but could go shorter with maybe a tiny bit of ogive going into the neck. With W748(41.55gr******) in Lapua brass, Wolf LRP I get about 2300fps out of my 19.75" R700(10 twist). The 3.245" single feed load(.010" off the lands) with the same but using W760(47.7gr ******) gets around 2370-2420fps, it's temp sensitive but still holds groups. These are both about 5k psi over my 175SMK at 2620fps and 7k psi over the 175SMK at 2550fps as measured by my PressureTraceII. *******Don't use this exact load! Work up! your chamber, free bore, case cap, temp, bullet coating, etc. will all effect pressure. These are loads made up 100% by me, I don't use loading manuals for obvious reason. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:59:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh..the .308 is a more accurate cartridge with less recoil delivering 95% of the performance. I hate long actions too, so there's that. Got rid of my one and only .30-06 some years ago and don't miss it. But if it makes you happy, fo for it. I have several .308s simply because brass is so available. But the .308 only exists because the US military didn't have a clue. Both the 7x57mm and the 6.5x55mm are far superior to the .308. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:00:37 PM EDT
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Everyone should own at least one 30-06.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:03:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Boomer thread. You won't find a better all-around cartridge, child. 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:07:37 PM EDT
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Any good semi rifles (AR or AK type) that fire a 30-06?
Timely thread, I was just talking to a friend about .308 and 30-06 the other day. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:10:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any good semi rifles (AR or AK type) that fire a 30-06? Timely thread, I was just talking to a friend about .308 and 30-06 the other day. You dont need an AK or an AR in .30-06. All you need is this:  |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:11:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:16:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. there are shit bullet choices for .270. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: .270 better No. there are shit bullet choices for .270. Many good ones coming out as of late. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:16:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Boomer thread. Enjoy your poodle shooter. 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:17:35 PM EDT
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My Deer rifle is a Weatherby vanguard in 30-06 DBM with a vortex Viper 4-12 and a sling it is a perfect setup for me
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:17:56 PM EDT
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I will never like the Dallas Cowboys because of Kyle. I will never have a 30-06 because of Kyle. When we were growing up all Kyle talked about was the Dallas Cowboys and the 30-06. You ruined it Kyle! I bought a .270!
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:19:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Boomer thread. Another young weisenheimer. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. Regardless of what anyone says, it is the overall best rifle cartridge ever produced. Also agree. It’s a jack of all trades and does what I need it to. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:25:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:29:35 PM EDT
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The only 30-06 I have is a M1 Garand made in 1941. Somehow I feel like this is fitting. I've killed a lot of animals over the years, but never with a 30-06. For anything deer sized and smaller I prefer a .270 or less. For anything elk sized and bigger I really prefer something larger than the 06. It's a great cartridge, but IMO their are better options these days.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:35:40 PM EDT
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I know my M-1 likes it a lot...
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:43:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's what Browning did. Take a known cartridge and scale it - 45 ACP is a scaled up .380. 50BMG is a scaled up -06. I knew that, no one has a sense of humor anymore, except for memsu! Thanks for getting me! |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:48:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh..the .308 is a more accurate cartridge with less recoil delivering 95% of the performance. I hate long actions too, so there's that. Got rid of my one and only .30-06 some years ago and don't miss it. But if it makes you happy, fo for it. Not much. I own both, and really theres not even enough to tell. Newtons third law of motion.... if they're that close in performance, you're not getting a free lunch. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:58:17 PM EDT
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In the .30-06 vein...
Some days I have this weird idea that I should find a Remington Model 30 or sporterized M1917, and then have a 26" match .30-06 barrel fitted to it, throated for heavyweight match bullets seated as far out as the M1917 magazine and feedway will permit, fit it into a proper precision-rifle stock (don't have specifics there), and see what she'll do at longer ranges. Not that I'm a match shot, but I'm curious to see how much I could get out of '06 with careful handloading and that longer-than-usual barrel. And because I already have .30-06 reloading tools and components on hand, so the only real "new" aspect would be the different projectiles
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:02:47 PM EDT
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I don't own an 06, but I stopped into a LGS the other day to discuss an upcoming transfer, and he has a beautiful dark walnut Win mod 70 with safari type sights, marked at $450.
If he still has it when I go back to pick up the transfer, I think I'm taking it home. 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:07:46 PM EDT
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I really want to pick up one of those old Husqvarna Mauser rifles in 30-06 one of these days.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:12:26 PM EDT
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Quote History... |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:17:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not much. I own both, and really theres not even enough to tell. Newtons third law of motion.... if they're that close in performance, you're not getting a free lunch. I can absolutely tell the difference in Recoil between the two and don't consider myself to be real shy either. I believe I read somewhere that it was measured at around 17% difference in recoil using the same weight bullet. That's not a ton but it's also not insignificant either. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:20:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can absolutely tell the difference in Recoil between the two and don't consider myself to be real shy either. I believe I read somewhere that it was measured at around 17% difference in recoil using the same weight bullet. That's not a ton but it's also not insignificant either. If the weapon weight, bullet mass, and muzzle velocity is equal there is no difference. Physics and all that jive. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:22:31 PM EDT
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Definitely one if my favorites.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:22:47 PM EDT
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I just put a new old stock, battle sight spring on my Grandpas 1917 Winchester 30-06. I handload for it with IMR4895
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:24:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 30-06 can and will kill anything on earth. It has served me well on multiple continents and killed everything I've shot with it. 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recently found 3 unfired 30-06 rounds at the range, along with a handful of brass. Thy look like older factory rounds, possibly Remington Cor-lock. I brought them home with me, now I want something to shoot them with. There is a 1903 on the EE right now. (Not mine) I just bought one and I might like it more than my Garand. Doo ittt
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:25:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the .30-06 vein... Some days I have this weird idea that I should find a Remington Model 30 or sporterized M1917, and then have a 26" match .30-06 barrel fitted to it, throated for heavyweight match bullets seated as far out as the M1917 magazine and feedway will permit, fit it into a proper precision-rifle stock (don't have specifics there), and see what she'll do at longer ranges. Not that I'm a match shot, but I'm curious to see how much I could get out of '06 with careful handloading and that longer-than-usual barrel. And because I already have .30-06 reloading tools and components on hand, so the only real "new" aspect would be the different projectiles Do it! I've always liked the military actions, but starting a decade ago when my eyes were not what they used to be, I started picking up nicely sporterized Mausers, 1917's and Springfields. My reason was: "still the heart of a military rifle, but a bit more user friendly". You do have to look carefully, the biggest issue I found was scope mounts poorly drilled off center. If you find a rifle that was converted decades ago by a quality gunsmith, you should not have this problem, but a bubba job could be a ruined action. But for those that were well done, you have a nice action and all steel parts. Not cost effective to do anymore (and you should not alter an original rifle now anyway) but finding an old reliable miltary sporter is nice. https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=4941 Like the Swede CG-63 linked above. Sweden made modern target rifles in the 60's from turn of the century 1895 Mauser rifles. I have one, with the iron target sights. Great rifle, accurate and smoother than most any modern rifle until you are spending thousands. Sure, you might be able to buy a new Ruger American rifle for $450, and they are good rifles (and accurate), but a good military rifle has a special charm. ETA: Just shot the Swede and a sporterized/scoped 03a3 this weekend. Great rifles, no comparison with my plastic guns for fun at the range. The classic military bolt guns look at harsh weather and abuse and say "is that all you've got?" |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:26:53 PM EDT
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"No hunter can ever go wrong choosing a .30-06" Jack O'Connor.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:26:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .270 better They make .270 Black Tip? We’re way past worrying about nonsensical discussions over hunting driven ballistics |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:27:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .270 better Even Jack O'Connor admitted the .30-06 was an excellent cartridge. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:28:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can absolutely tell the difference in Recoil between the two and don't consider myself to be real shy either. I believe I read somewhere that it was measured at around 17% difference in recoil using the same weight bullet. That's not a ton but it's also not insignificant either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not much. I own both, and really theres not even enough to tell. Newtons third law of motion.... if they're that close in performance, you're not getting a free lunch. I can absolutely tell the difference in Recoil between the two and don't consider myself to be real shy either. I believe I read somewhere that it was measured at around 17% difference in recoil using the same weight bullet. That's not a ton but it's also not insignificant either. What rifles? |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:30:27 PM EDT
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I have a 22 inch light weight Browning with a really nice 3 x 9 scope that fills just about very role in North America.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:31:41 PM EDT
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Well the op started this! So let’s start posting pics of 30/06 long range rigs!..... go!!! Post em
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even Jack O'Connor admitted the .30-06 was an excellent cartridge. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:49:07 PM EDT
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I own three rifles in .30/06:
M1 Garand. For Nazi scum and Commies, too. Browning BAR with a 4x Leupold (ol’ Reliable). Tikka T3 stainless with a Zeiss 3-9x Conquest (the Workhorse). Greatest cartridge of all time. While I like the 165 Sierra, I really like the 180 Partition at 2700ish or the 165 Barnes TSX at 2800ish. They’ll handle an elk, moose, or bear without issue. Obviously, deer, coyotes, wolves, skunks, and other varmints are all gonna take a dirt nap too. No muss, no fuss. Not too much recoil. Plenty of horsepower at all reasonable distances. From Minnesota to Montana it’s killed everything I’ve pointed ‘em at. If ever I visit Africa my’06 would be the ideal light rifle. Must admit, as a dyed-in-the-wool ‘06 man I never wanted to like the .270. But my kids shoot .270’s and damn do they work. My son has shot a half dozen deer and two pronghorn with his .270 Win (130 grain Fusions) and that sucker hits with authority. Lights out, dead critter. Classics become classics for a reason. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:52:37 PM EDT
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I love me some .30-06.
I just checked my inventory. I have 1,040 pieces of virgin .30-06 brass all resized, trimmed, chamfered, primer pocket uniformed, and flash hole deburred. I have more than enough components to reload them all with some primo ammo. I don't buy cheap or inaccurate bullets. I have hundreds and hundreds of loaded rounds. It is a proven hunting round. My wife and I were going to shoot some at the range in our yard today, but it is too chilly for her. We'll wait a bit for it to warm up and then make some empty brass for reloading. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:58:11 PM EDT
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The first elk I ever shot was with my Father's Win M70 in 30-06. He's gone now but the rifle still remains. He bought it in 1953 after returning home from the Korean War. I still have the receipt somewhere. He paid $119 for it at Sears and Roebuck. A great rifle that has dropped a lot of elk, deer, antelope, and at least one mountain goat over the years. When I check out she won't be orphaned. My oldest son, who has already taken his first deer with it, will inherit her and love and take care of her.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 6:01:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They make .270 Black Tip? We’re way past worrying about nonsensical discussions over hunting driven ballistics Modern armor laughs at m2 black tip at 06 velocities. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 6:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even Jack O'Connor admitted the .30-06 was an excellent cartridge. 06 is a great cartridge. Id argue 270 is better for most hunting needs. Anything larger than elk is going to be taken with my 300 win mag. Thst being said, I own an 03a3, and a garand of course. I derive immense enjoyment in shooting them both. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 6:09:52 PM EDT
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The 06 is great but the .308 can do what it does with less recoil. Both can kill anything on the planet but I prefer the 7mm-08 for anything in the 48 states.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 6:26:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You won't find a better all-around cartridge, child. Username checks out. I’d argue 5.56 is a better all-around cartridge. |
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