Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: . They don't go through all of that in Missouri stores. BTW--I'm guessing you're not a big fan of us buying an SKS. I have a Yugoslavian SKS.  I also have a Norinco MAK-90 (chinese), that I bought in the early 90's when I was just getting into guns and didn't know any better.  But, no, I don't purchase Chinese arms now.

 

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why the hell would anyone want to buy guns from China-mart?  Announcing what you are buying over the store's PA and an escorted walk to the front door with the manager sound like a good time to you?  Spend a few extra bucks and support your local dealer.... I love that ignorant "China-mart" label. Guess what, their percentage of goods made in China is no higher than any other big chain.  That, plus some people have nowhere else to buy firearms.  Some towns don't have dealers. I personally have never bought a firearm from WalMart, but I am not going to make ignorant remarks about those that do. If by "ignorant" you mean rude - please show me where in my post I called anyone a name or stated anything else off-color other than to question why someone would buy there - and I shared my experience with the local store.  No need to get your shorts in a twist... Ignorant does not mean rude.  It means you lack knowledge of a given subject.  Calling the China-mart is ignorant.  Why would anyone buy there?  How about price. If you think I have my shorts in a twist, you are mistaken. Wrong.  It's not ignorant - it's informed, as a very high percentage of their goods come from China.  This is obvious to anyone that buys there.  I assumed you knew that and were using the word in another context (rude) as is quite prevalant in my area.  In any event, I'll nickname the store as I wish.   BTW, glad your shorts are OK.

No, their percentage of goods from China is no different from any other chain.  So, it was not informed, it was just the opposite.

Quoted: I am pretty sure there is a bolt release that you depress to remove the bolt on a savage. It is located just in front of the bolt handle.  Luckily my local Walmart has a guy with a  Legit Class III ffL and alot of knowledge and love of firearms.... however he is a cockly arrogant SOB.

Class III FFL and working at Wally world...............probably best way to buy all of the Winchester White box before ARFCOMers get to it.

Wal-Mart no longer sells firearms in CA, but at least we have Big5 and a nice SoCal chain called Turners that have better selection and decent prices.

I see pleny of stuff at Wallyworld that is made in USA. The stuff that is Chinese is mostly the low $ value, cheap plastic crap/Toys as well as the tool section(but most of those crappy tools arnt worth buying anyway). Most linen things like towels are Pakistani, some auto parts are from Mexico or Canada. Clothes are from Centra/South America or Asia. However I have a pair of jeans I bought there that are made in USA. Things that are almost alway American is the entire Pharmacy/Hygene section, cleaning products, pet food, garden supplies, motor oil/fuel addatives, Ammo, gun products, guns, grocery section, some clothing, books, paint, some cookware/tableware.

If you want to call a place china-mart, that would be Harbor Freight tools.

It is simply stupid and ignorant to support NO international trade whatsoever. Isolationism/protectionism is disasterous to an economy. Importing and exporting improve the growth, consumer selection and competitive health of an economy. Nations have competitive advantage in certain markets and/or producing specific items. That means some nations are just better at or can more efficiently produce a product than another nation, and thus it would be ideal for nations to produce what they are most effective at making and let other nations make what they are best at making. This way, a nation is free from wasting resources making  products that it is comparatively ineffective at making, so it can devote its resources and production to what its good at.

An exaple: Kuwait COULD grow bananas, but it would be very expensive and a waste of resources. It would be better for them to let Costa Rica and Panama grow them and import the product. Costa Rica has the correct climate and soil for banana growing, that is its competitive advantage in that market. Kuwait would have to ship in soil, and use special climate controlled green-houses to grow them. Obviously very inefficient.

Quoted: Wal-Mart no longer sells firearms in CA, but at least we have Big5 and a nice SoCal chain called Turners that have better selection and decent prices. I see pleny of stuff at Wallyworld that is made in USA. The stuff that is Chinese is mostly the low $ value, cheap plastic crap/Toys as well as the tool section(but most of those crappy tools arnt worth buying anyway). Most linen things like towels are Pakistani, some auto parts are from Mexico or Canada. Clothes are from Centra/South America or Asia. However I have a pair of jeans I bought there that are made in USA. Things that are almost alway American is the entire Pharmacy/Hygene section, cleaning products, pet food, garden supplies, motor oil/fuel addatives, Ammo, gun products, guns, grocery section, some clothing, books, paint, some cookware/tableware. If you want to call a place china-mart, that would be Harbor Freight tools. It is simply stupid and ignorant to support NO international trade whatsoever. Isolationism/protectionism is disasterous to an economy.

Free trade is not fair trade my friend.  The deck has been stacked heavily against the U.S. Here are some articles that may get folks to put down the kool-aid the RINOs have been feeding America since the first George Bush:


http://user.pa.net/~nrwing/buyamerican/

http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/news/20050913-reut.html


Ignore the AFL-CIO label and give this article a chance:
http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/walmart/walmart_5.cfm


http://www.1worldcommunication.org/Walmart.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/secrets/wmchina.html


Ignore the fact that this one is from the liberal Washington Post - still a good article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A22507-2004Feb7?language=printer


You may have to cut and paste the links.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to investigate further.

Heres the 2005 U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission Annual Reports to Congress:

http://www.uscc.gov/annual_report/2005/05_executive_summary.php


It's lengthy, but very worthwhile and straight from the horse's mouth.  The article also has a link to the full 220 page report.

Quoted: Heres the 2005 U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission Annual Reports to Congress: http://www.uscc.gov/annual_report/2005/05_executive_summary.php It's lengthy, but very worthwhile and straight from the horse's mouth.  The article also has a link to the full 220 page report.

And how does that proves that WalMart carries a higher percentage of goods made in China than other chains?

Quoted: And how does that proves that WalMart carries a higher percentage of goods made in China than other chains?

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html
Here's an excerpt from this site:

Wal-Mart is not just the world's largest retailer. It's the world's largest company--bigger than ExxonMobil, General Motors, and General Electric. The scale can be hard to absorb. Wal-Mart sold $244.5 billion worth of goods last year. It sells in three months what

number-two retailer Home Depot sells in a year. And in its own category of general merchandise and groceries, Wal-Mart no longer has any real rivals. It does more business than Target, Sears, Kmart, J.C. Penney, Safeway, and Kroger combined. "Clearly," says Edward Fox, head of Southern Methodist University's J.C. Penney Center for Retailing Excellence, "Wal-Mart is more powerful than any retailer has ever been." It is, in fact, so big and so furtively powerful as to have become an entirely different order of corporate being.


Now consider the below excerpt from 2004 from this site:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/29/content_395728.htm

Nevertheless, he said China is Wal-Mart's most important supplier in the world. The overseas procurement home office in Shenzhen, a city of South China's Guangdong Province, has played a key role in the firm's global purchasing business.

Wal-Mart shifted its overseas procurement centre from Hong Kong to Shenzhen in February 2002 to better serve the purchasing and exporting business.

"If Wal-Mart were an individual economy, it would rank as China's eighth-biggest trading partner, ahead of Russia, Australia and Canada," Xu said.

Last year, the firm bought US$15 billion products from China, half from direct purchasing, the other from the firm's suppliers in China.

More than 5,000 Chinese enterprises have established steady supply alliances with Wal-Mart.

Insiders point out Wal-Mart's imports from China have largely influenced the US trade deficit in China, which is expected to reach US$150 billion this year.

Xu declined to comment if the anti-dumpling measures of the US Department of Commerce have impacted the firm's procurement of textile commodities and household appliances in China, saying again that China is an important sourcing base for the firm.

So far, more than 70 per cent of the commodities sold in Wal-Mart are made in China.

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Here is an excerpt from this article:
http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/walmart/walmart_5.cfm


More than 80 percent of the 6,000 factories in Wal-Mart's worldwide database of suppliers are in China. If Wal-Mart were a separate nation, it would rank as China’s fifth-largest export market, ahead of Germany and Britain.

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I don't know of the percentages of Chinese goods that Wal-mart carries versus other retailers, but they are BY FAR the biggest overall importer of Chinese "goods"  just by the sheer VOLUME and size of the business.  

If you note from the excerpts I posted, Wal-Mart went from being China's 8th biggest export trading partner IN THE WORLD in '02, to the 5th largest export trading partner IN THE WORLD currently, beating out most other NATIONS.


So, you can see that my China-Mart label is MORE than justified, and quite informed at that.

Quoted: I don't know of the percentages of Chinese goods that Wal-mart carries versus other retailers, but they are BY FAR the biggest overall importer of Chinese "goods"  just by the sheer VOLUME and size of the business.   If you note from the excerpts I posted, Wal-Mart went from being China's 8th biggest export trading partner IN THE WORLD in '02, to the 5th largest export trading partner IN THE WORLD currently, beating out most other NATIONS. So, you can see that my China-Mart label is MORE than justified, and quite informed at that.

That is the key statement in blue.  YOU DON'T KNOW, yet you claim your OPINION is informed.  Whatever.

None of what you posted backs up your UNINFORMED opinion.

It's only justified in YOUR mind because you don't like WalMart.  Who cares.  You haven't proven squat.

Quoted: Free trade is not fair trade my friend.  The deck has been stacked heavily against the U.S. Here are some articles that may get folks to put down the kool-aid the RINOs have been feeding America since the first George Bush:

So what? Since when is any part of real life supposed to be fair? Thats the whole point of Capitalism. If you try to play 'fair', you will just lose. The main point is to gain an advantage over your competitors in your market so you defeat them. Is it fair that one business succeeds and profits while its rival fails and has to lay off its workers and the investors lose their money? No it is not 'fair' but thats the way things go.

The only people who are concerned about making things 'fair' are socialists/unions trying to get people 'lifetime' employment and the right to a job like they have over in France which is an economic disaster.

Many on this board like to talk about RINOs being a problem, well the real problem is CINO's(capitalists in name only). Too many people are willing to accept any of the aspects of socialism, or any of the obstructions to a market based/free trade economy and still consider themselves supporters of a free market system.

Quoted: Quoted: That is the key statement in blue.  YOU DON'T KNOW, yet you claim your OPINION is informed.  Whatever. None of what you posted backs up your UNINFORMED opinion. It's only justified in YOUR mind because you don't like WalMart.  Who cares.  You haven't proven squat.

I couldn't find a percentage in my research - I'm not afraid to admit when I could not come up with a specific number.  Not finding a percentage number but posting numerous other sources to back up my point should suffice.  Since you apparently have a problem with reading comprehension or simpy can't admit that you are wrong, here it is one more time:

Wal-Mart imports more Chinese products than any other company and more than all but 4 NATIONS.  

Just curious - how long have you worked for China-Mart?

So what? Since when is any part of real life supposed to be fair? Thats the whole point of Capitalism. If you try to play 'fair', you will just lose. The main point is to gain an advantage over your competitors in your market so you defeat them. Is it fair that one business succeeds and profits while its rival fails and has to lay off its workers and the investors lose their money? No it is not 'fair' but thats the way things go. The only people who are concerned about making things 'fair' are socialists/unions trying to get people 'lifetime' employment and the right to a job like they have over in France which is an economic disaster. Many on this board like to talk about RINOs being a problem, well the real problem is CINO's(capitalists in name only). Too many people are willing to accept any of the aspects of socialism, or any of the obstructions to a market based/free trade economy and still consider themselves supporters of a free market system.

So you think that American workers should be forced to compete with psuedo-slave labor from China?  Lets see - they have no labor laws, no unions, no health care, no EPA,  and you think that Joe American should be forced to compete with that?  What do you think will eventually happen to our standard of living?

Do you know how many jobs have left this country in the years since NAFTA, the WTO, GATT and all the other "trade - agreements" that have come to fruition?  Do you think that America has a shortage of unskilled labor?  Do you like speaking with someone in a foreign country that can barely speak the language whenever your computer craps the bed?  

I'm all for competition in business to make a better product(s), but sellng out Americans in order to hire slave labor for pennies a day so some multinational corporation can improve their bottom line is just plain wrong.  Guess what - there will always be SOMEONE from another country that is willing to take YOUR job for much less than you could afford to live on.  The politicians should be protecting American jobs - not selling us down the river to a foreign country.

they should have handed him the insturctions manual

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That is the key statement in blue.  YOU DON'T KNOW, yet you claim your OPINION is informed.  Whatever. None of what you posted backs up your UNINFORMED opinion. It's only justified in YOUR mind because you don't like WalMart.  Who cares.  You haven't proven squat. I couldn't find a percentage in my research - I'm not afraind to admit when I could not come up with a specific number.  Not finding a percentage number but posting numerous other sources to back up my point should suffice.  Since you apparently have a problem with reading comprehension or simpy can't admit that you are wrong, here it is one more time: Wal-Mart imports more Chinese products than any other company and more than all but 4 NATIONS.

I think you are the one with the reading comprehension problem and/or can't admit that you are wrong.  

None of what you posted shows that walmart carries a larger percentage of chinese made products than other retailers, which is what you originally stated.

What you have posted, and I don't think anything is disagreeing with this fact, is that WM does buy more from the chinese than any other retailer. For some reason you can't comprehend the reason for that is that WM is larger than any other retailer, so simple logic would deduce that they would buy more merchandise from their suppliers.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That is the key statement in blue.  YOU DON'T KNOW, yet you claim your OPINION is informed.  Whatever. None of what you posted backs up your UNINFORMED opinion. It's only justified in YOUR mind because you don't like WalMart.  Who cares.  You haven't proven squat. I couldn't find a percentage in my research - I'm not afraind to admit when I could not come up with a specific number.  Not finding a percentage number but posting numerous other sources to back up my point should suffice.  Since you apparently have a problem with reading comprehension or simpy can't admit that you are wrong, here it is one more time: Wal-Mart imports more Chinese products than any other company and more than all but 4 NATIONS.   I think you are the one with the reading comprehension problem and/or can't admit that you are wrong.   None of what you posted shows that walmart carries a larger percentage of chinese made products than other retailers, which is what you originally stated.

No, it's not.  Kindly, go reread ALL of my posts.  I never claimed that Wal-Mart carried a higher percentage of Chinese goods then any other retailer. I simply stated that they carry a "high percentage" of Chinese goods.  In fact, if you check my posts, I've never compared Wal-Mart to any other store whatsoever!

Actually, it was LarryG that claimed that Wal-Mart's percentage is about the same as other retailers - yet he has posted no references or evidence to support his contention.

What you have posted, and I don't think anything is disagreeing with this fact, is that WM does buy more from the chinese than any other retailer. For some reason you can't comprehend the reason for that is that WM is larger than any other retailer, so simple logic would deduce that they would buy more merchandise from their suppliers.

Yeah, no kidding...  This is my point entirely!

Can't comprehend the reason for it?  It's all right there in my posted examples.  Obviously they import more - it's because they are huge!! I'm not sure what the disconnect is here...