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Link Posted: 6/10/2015 2:12:46 PM EDT
OP - Have you registered any of your guns with them yet? If so, what was that process like?
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No, because I don't live there.

I'll see what the they say in the law course, but I do not think you have to register firearms there if you don't live there.  I don't know tho.  Leave it to that dipshit district to also require you to register whatever firearm you carry.  I'll be sure to ask in the class.
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Don't know, I just know what this guy is currently offering.  There's a list of approved instructors on the MPD site apparently.
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All the forms, instructions, etc can be found here.

http://mpdc.dc.gov/page/applying-concealed-carry-pistol-license

As far as finding classes, if anyone is really interested I can steer you in the right direction.
I wonder if they waive any requirements for LEOs.  


I would think, as in the post above I quoted they accept retired LEO credentials in lieu of training.  However the DC law class is required of everyone, no matter what.
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Perhaps.  Maybe once they crack down again I'll autograph mine, frame it and sell it in EE for a mint
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All the forms, instructions, etc can be found here.

http://mpdc.dc.gov/page/applying-concealed-carry-pistol-license

As far as finding classes, if anyone is really interested I can steer you in the right direction.
I wonder if they waive any requirements for LEOs.  


Doesn't LEOSA cover you?
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No, because I don't live there.

I'll see what the they say in the law course, but I do not think you have to register firearms there if you don't live there.  I don't know tho.  Leave it to that dipshit district to also require you to register whatever firearm you carry.  I'll be sure to ask in the class.
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No, because I don't live there.

I'll see what the they say in the law course, but I do not think you have to register firearms there if you don't live there.  I don't know tho.  Leave it to that dipshit district to also require you to register whatever firearm you carry.  I'll be sure to ask in the class.


I'm pretty sure you need to register any handgun that you plan to possess in DC. You get one freebie with your carry permit application. It has to be 10 or fewer rounds and be on the CA, MA or MD "approved" list.
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Wait - I thought you had to be a DC resident.  Can someone living in VA apply?  That would be awesome!
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Since open carry is prohibited wouldn't denying out of state applicants be a violation of equal protection for their right to carry?
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Wait - I thought you had to be a DC resident.  Can someone living in VA apply?  That would be awesome!


Since open carry is prohibited wouldn't denying out of state applicants be a violation of equal protection for their right to carry?


Like DC gives a shit about that.

The only reason they're issuing permits to ANYONE is because they've been taken behind the woodshed several times by a federal judge recently.
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No, because I don't live there.

I'll see what the they say in the law course, but I do not think you have to register firearms there if you don't live there.  I don't know tho.  Leave it to that dipshit district to also require you to register whatever firearm you carry.  I'll be sure to ask in the class.


I'm pretty sure you need to register any handgun that you plan to possess in DC. You get one freebie with your carry permit application. It has to be 10 or fewer rounds and be on the CA, MA or MD "approved" list.


I'm having a hard time with this. Do you know if this is the site that says what firearms are gtg in Maryland? LINK

If it is then every handgun I own is on there.
Link Posted: 6/11/2015 7:43:33 AM EDT
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All the forms, instructions, etc can be found here.

http://mpdc.dc.gov/page/applying-concealed-carry-pistol-license

As far as finding classes, if anyone is really interested I can steer you in the right direction.
I wonder if they waive any requirements for LEOs.  


Doesn't LEOSA cover you?


I would think it would but I need to read through their restrictions.  By law,  LEOs are supposed to comply with the local CCW laws.
Link Posted: 6/11/2015 7:43:45 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/11/2015 8:16:34 AM EDT
Would passing through DC be reason enough for the following?


District of Columbia law requires you to demonstrate either that: (1) you have good reason to fear injury to yourself or your property; or (2) you have another proper reason for carrying a concealed pistol.

Demonstration of Good Reason to Fear Injury to Person or Property
To demonstrate a good reason to fear injury to yourself, you must:

?? Show a special need for self-protection distinguishable from the general community, as supported by evidence
of specific threats or previous attacks which demonstrate a special danger to your life.
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Allege serious threats of death or serious bodily harm, any attacks on yourself, or any theft of property from
your person.

?? Allege that the threats are of a nature that the legal possession of a pistol is necessary as a reasonable
precaution against the apprehended danger.

?? Provide all evidence of contemporaneous reports to the police of such threats or attacks, and disclose whether
or not you made a sworn complaint to the police or the courts of the District of Columbia concerning any threat or attack.

Pursuant to District of Columbia law, the fact that you live or work in a high crime area shall not by itself establish a good reason to fear injury to yourself or your property for the issuance of a concealed carry license.
You can also include any supporting statements from third parties, but the statements must be made under oath and before a notary.

Demonstration of Other Proper Reason for a Concealed Carry License
This may include: (1) employment of a type that requires the handling of large amounts of cash or other highly valuable objects that must be transported on your person; or (2) the need for you to provide protection of a family member who is physically or mentally incapacitated to a point where that family member cannot act in defense of himself or herself, or his or her property. You can include any documents (such as police reports or court documents) and/or personal statements to demonstrate that you have a proper reason to be issued a Concealed Carry License.
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Link Posted: 6/11/2015 8:19:00 AM EDT
If you get your DC CCW, just remember that there are a whole shitload of places that you cannot carry.


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District of Columbia law requires you to demonstrate either that: (1) you have good reason to fear injury to yourself or your property; or (2) you have another proper reason for carrying a concealed pistol.

Demonstration of Good Reason to Fear Injury to Person or Property
To demonstrate a good reason to fear injury to yourself, you must:

?? Show a special need for self-protection distinguishable from the general community, as supported by evidence
of specific threats or previous attacks which demonstrate a special danger to your life.
??
Allege serious threats of death or serious bodily harm, any attacks on yourself, or any theft of property from
your person.

?? Allege that the threats are of a nature that the legal possession of a pistol is necessary as a reasonable
precaution against the apprehended danger.

?? Provide all evidence of contemporaneous reports to the police of such threats or attacks, and disclose whether
or not you made a sworn complaint to the police or the courts of the District of Columbia concerning any threat or attack.

Pursuant to District of Columbia law, the fact that you live or work in a high crime area shall not by itself establish a good reason to fear injury to yourself or your property for the issuance of a concealed carry license.
You can also include any supporting statements from third parties, but the statements must be made under oath and before a notary.

Demonstration of Other Proper Reason for a Concealed Carry License
This may include: (1) employment of a type that requires the handling of large amounts of cash or other highly valuable objects that must be transported on your person; or (2) the need for you to provide protection of a family member who is physically or mentally incapacitated to a point where that family member cannot act in defense of himself or herself, or his or her property. You can include any documents (such as police reports or court documents) and/or personal statements to demonstrate that you have a proper reason to be issued a Concealed Carry License.


To answer your question.....yes it would. But all that is irrelevant as of right now. Those requirements are not needed while under appeal, because ya know.....that pesky 2nd amendment.
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Concealed means concealed??
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Concealed means concealed??

Maybe if its a warning, tresspass, or fine involved, but not when we're talking jailtime or getting shot in the face.
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Maybe if its a warning, tresspass, or fine involved, but not when we're talking jailtime or getting shot in the face.
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Concealed means concealed??

Maybe if its a warning, tresspass, or fine involved, but not when we're talking jailtime or getting shot in the face.


Not to mention that a lot of the government buildings have metal detectors anyway.
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What is this shit? I have a DD214 but I was an admin guy.
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So I was confused about one thing - the training req.  Didn't I see that it was something on the order of $200-$400?  I've got plenty of range time and have done some formal carbine/pistol courses as well, but I'm not sure how to prove that for the DCPD.


Download the instructions.


If you are requesting an exemption to the firearms training course requirements, Section 2336.3 of
the regulations requires you to provide supporting documentation, such as:

- Firearms training provided by the National Rifle Association
- DD Form 214 if it shows special training for marksmanship
- Retired law enforcement officer credentials
- Hunting license
- Armed special police officer license


What is this shit? I have a DD214 but I was an admin guy.

Buy a hunting license?  
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Not to mention that a lot of the government buildings have metal detectors anyway.
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Concealed means concealed??

Maybe if its a warning, tresspass, or fine involved, but not when we're talking jailtime or getting shot in the face.


Not to mention that a lot of the government buildings have metal detectors anyway.


Yeah, I don't necessarily mean into the buildings. They were talking like around the perimeters of certain buildings, is considered federal property. I can't see it being an issue for walking down the sidewalk outside of a government building.
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So I was confused about one thing - the training req.  Didn't I see that it was something on the order of $200-$400?  I've got plenty of range time and have done some formal carbine/pistol courses as well, but I'm not sure how to prove that for the DCPD.


Download the instructions.


If you are requesting an exemption to the firearms training course requirements, Section 2336.3 of
the regulations requires you to provide supporting documentation, such as:

- Firearms training provided by the National Rifle Association
- DD Form 214 if it shows special training for marksmanship
- Retired law enforcement officer credentials
- Hunting license
- Armed special police officer license


A hunting license satisfies their requirement for training?  Really?  Odd in a place like DC.
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All the forms, instructions, etc can be found here.



http://mpdc.dc.gov/page/applying-concealed-carry-pistol-license



As far as finding classes, if anyone is really interested I can steer you in the right direction.
I wonder if they waive any requirements for LEOs.  




Doesn't LEOSA cover you?
Yes, but LEOSA doesn't give me blanket authority to carry in places that a local permit might.

 
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I would think it would but I need to read through their restrictions.  By law,  LEOs are supposed to comply with the local CCW laws.
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All the forms, instructions, etc can be found here.



http://mpdc.dc.gov/page/applying-concealed-carry-pistol-license



As far as finding classes, if anyone is really interested I can steer you in the right direction.
I wonder if they waive any requirements for LEOs.  




Doesn't LEOSA cover you?




I would think it would but I need to read through their restrictions.  By law,  LEOs are supposed to comply with the local CCW laws.
No, LEOSA overrides local law. But LEOSA might restrict me where a local permit won't.

 
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Which instructor are you taking it with?
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That's unlikely in the case of DC. For both what you can carry and where you can carry.
Link Posted: 6/11/2015 2:33:10 PM EDT
Meanwhile, in the people's republic of new jerseystan....
Shitshow still continuing, no end in sight.

And even if we could carry, the hollowpoint laws would have us more or less limited to FMJ, powrball, etc.
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A hunting license satisfies their requirement for training?  Really?  Odd in a place like DC.
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So I was confused about one thing - the training req.  Didn't I see that it was something on the order of $200-$400?  I've got plenty of range time and have done some formal carbine/pistol courses as well, but I'm not sure how to prove that for the DCPD.


Download the instructions.


If you are requesting an exemption to the firearms training course requirements, Section 2336.3 of
the regulations requires you to provide supporting documentation, such as:

- Firearms training provided by the National Rifle Association
- DD Form 214 if it shows special training for marksmanship
- Retired law enforcement officer credentials
- Hunting license
- Armed special police officer license


A hunting license satisfies their requirement for training?  Really?  Odd in a place like DC.


Rock Creek Park?
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Lead wadcutters are often underestimated. I would not feel undergunned if they were all I could carry legally.

For that matter, I don't carry HPs at all in my pocket guns - .32ACP doesn't have enough energy to need them. Even up to .380 ACP or .38 Special, plain old "lead round nose" is almost certainly going to guarantee complete energy transfer.
Link Posted: 6/12/2015 3:42:23 PM EDT
I never expected that DC would be better for CCW then a half dozen or so states.
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Yeah, I don't necessarily mean into the buildings. They were talking like around the perimeters of certain buildings, is considered federal property. I can't see it being an issue for walking down the sidewalk outside of a government building.
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Concealed means concealed??

Maybe if its a warning, tresspass, or fine involved, but not when we're talking jailtime or getting shot in the face.


Not to mention that a lot of the government buildings have metal detectors anyway.


Yeah, I don't necessarily mean into the buildings. They were talking like around the perimeters of certain buildings, is considered federal property. I can't see it being an issue for walking down the sidewalk outside of a government building.


I expect that is exactly what the DC Law course is about.  Where you can and can't carry, etc.
Link Posted: 6/12/2015 3:50:39 PM EDT
It's a step in the right direction, but still seems like a lot of bs to go through to get a permit.  Are most states really like that?  Fingerprints, training, 2 hr class?  I wish Md would get with the program.
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I'm having a hard time with this. Do you know if this is the site that says what firearms are gtg in Maryland? LINK

If it is then every handgun I own is on there.
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No, because I don't live there.

I'll see what the they say in the law course, but I do not think you have to register firearms there if you don't live there.  I don't know tho.  Leave it to that dipshit district to also require you to register whatever firearm you carry.  I'll be sure to ask in the class.


I'm pretty sure you need to register any handgun that you plan to possess in DC. You get one freebie with your carry permit application. It has to be 10 or fewer rounds and be on the CA, MA or MD "approved" list.


I'm having a hard time with this. Do you know if this is the site that says what firearms are gtg in Maryland? LINK

If it is then every handgun I own is on there.


I will specifically ask about registration for outside residents at the course.
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Yes, many states are like that.
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I wonder if they'd let a Texan get one.  I kinda want to start collecting out of state CHL permits like Pokemon now...
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No, because I don't live there.

I'll see what the they say in the law course, but I do not think you have to register firearms there if you don't live there.  I don't know tho.  Leave it to that dipshit district to also require you to register whatever firearm you carry.  I'll be sure to ask in the class.
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No, because I don't live there.

I'll see what the they say in the law course, but I do not think you have to register firearms there if you don't live there.  I don't know tho.  Leave it to that dipshit district to also require you to register whatever firearm you carry.  I'll be sure to ask in the class.


Pretty sure you do, and they have to be "on the list" of approved guns, ie 10 round mags.
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No, because I don't live there.

I'll see what the they say in the law course, but I do not think you have to register firearms there if you don't live there.  I don't know tho.  Leave it to that dipshit district to also require you to register whatever firearm you carry.  I'll be sure to ask in the class.


Pretty sure you do, and they have to be "on the list" of approved guns, ie 10 round mags.


If I gotta I gotta.  I'll ask in the class, and if that is the case, I'll register one when I get approved for the CCW.  My daily carry is a 1911 anyways, so the 10 round requirement won't hurt my head.
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Same here and I have LEOSA covering me.

 
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Lead wadcutters are often underestimated. I would not feel undergunned if they were all I could carry legally.

For that matter, I don't carry HPs at all in my pocket guns - .32ACP doesn't have enough energy to need them. Even up to .380 ACP or .38 Special, plain old "lead round nose" is almost certainly going to guarantee complete energy transfer.
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Meanwhile, in the people's republic of new jerseystan....
Shitshow still continuing, no end in sight.

And even if we could carry, the hollowpoint laws would have us more or less limited to FMJ, powrball, etc.


Lead wadcutters are often underestimated. I would not feel undergunned if they were all I could carry legally.

For that matter, I don't carry HPs at all in my pocket guns - .32ACP doesn't have enough energy to need them. Even up to .380 ACP or .38 Special, plain old "lead round nose" is almost certainly going to guarantee complete energy transfer.


Are wadcutters better than FMJ in such a scenario? (In services calibers as well?)
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It is similar to most states...you have to have firearms and a minimum range training unless you provide proof you are exempt, i.e. a DD214.

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SOME states.
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WTF, has your paperwork already been submitted? I would expect a denial.
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I had a feeling it was too good to be true.
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Well, that was short-lived. Glad I didn't rush to apply.
Link Posted: 6/17/2015 11:35:51 AM EDT
The appeal responses are due next week.  I would expect if they deny them while the appeal is being filed, if they reject them but lose the appeal they will have to re-instate them, as the courts will have ruled that they were unlawfully rejected.  So they very well may not rush to deny them.  I'm hoping.  We'll see.

But fuck the court for issuing a stay.  Horseshit.
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So I was confused about one thing - the training req.  Didn't I see that it was something on the order of $200-$400?  I've got plenty of range time and have done some formal carbine/pistol courses as well, but I'm not sure how to prove that for the DCPD.


Download the instructions.


If you are requesting an exemption to the firearms training course requirements, Section 2336.3 of
the regulations requires you to provide supporting documentation, such as:
[list]
- Firearms training provided by the National Rifle Association
- DD Form 214 if it shows special training for marksmanship
- Retired law enforcement officer credentials
- Hunting license
- Armed special police officer license

  Yeah - read that.  Unfortunately none of those apply to me.  Guess I'd have to "retrain", eh?


Yep.

An NRA Basic pistol course can be had in Northern Virginia for arount $100-125.
A resident hunting license in VA is $23.  The online hunter education course is $24.50 from www.hunter-ed.com/Virginia.  The requirement doesn't say you have to hunt, just have a license.
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The appeal responses are due next week.  I would expect if they deny them while the appeal is being filed, if they reject them but lose the appeal they will have to re-instate them, as the courts will have ruled that they were unlawfully rejected.  So they very well may not rush to deny them.  I'm hoping.  We'll see.

But fuck the court for issuing a stay.  Horseshit.
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Appellate courts aren't known for the swiftness with which they issue opinions. It will probably be months after the briefing is done before they decide the case. And then DC will request a stay while they petition for cert to SCOTUS if they lose.

Link Posted: 6/30/2015 9:30:31 AM EDT
Well Crap.



Now that I have the time to go and apply, they aren't issuing.
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