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Posted: 12/25/2005 10:18:08 PM EDT
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Did ya remember to ask him if he would like to 'pipe the piss whistle'? I justgrin and scratch my balls and say, "I like bewbies. Bewbies for you?"
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Posted: 12/25/2005 10:24:49 PM EDT
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As a CHL holder it's not going to make much difference. He would only be prevented from carrying his weapon onto unsecured airport property if proper 30.06 signage was posted; and that would only apply to a private airport as municipalities are prohibited from banning CHL's from carrying on government owned property (other than those places already prohibited by Texas law). |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 10:39:35 PM EDT
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Huh? The calibrated speedo in my patrol car is less than 1 mph off at all speeds..... Please show us where the 'state approved' error for your speedo is found. Last time I heard a defendant base their defense on a faulty speedo they were found guilty but the commisioner did reduce the fine. Brian |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 4:32:17 AM EDT
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I'm pretty good about not parking my car in a location that would invite a break-in. All it takes is a little common-sense when you pick a parking spot. But if someone does decide to break-in my car, losing a $450 handgun is not the end of the world for me. I'd be much more worried about the thousands of dollars in damage done to my car during the course of breaking into my car. If the issue is allowing a theif to steal a gun, which may be used in a crime: Your guns can be stolen from your house, from your car, or from you while you carry them. You have to weigh the odds of risk from theft, against how badly you want to have a gun handy for protection. That's a personal choice that each of us have to make. As long as I'm following the laws and taking reasonable prudence to protect a firearm from theft, then I'm doing what's required of me. For me, 27 years of ZERO gun theft and ZERO car breakins, indicate that I take above reasonable measures to insure that my guns are not stolen from my car. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 5:27:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/26/2005 5:44:49 AM EDT
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It's non-stop excitement in your life isn't it? Does ever a day go by when you DON'T post a drama (starring yourself) in GD?
 As for the airport, better check the local jurisdiction. If it's a municipal airport i think you might be overlooking something. 
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Posted: 12/26/2005 5:48:54 AM EDT
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How about actually reading the story? He clearly stated he got a 5MPH over ticket.
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Posted: 12/26/2005 5:51:45 AM EDT
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No, he was going 5 MPH over according to the LEO who has the proper equipment to accurately measure speed. He thought he was doing 10, but obviously his uncalibrated speedo unit is in error (10MPH is bogus too, this is Texas.) Most likely it was a Kommiefornia/NY/NJ etc. cop transplant - given the 5MPH ticket, lack of knowledge of gun laws, etc. What do you think? 
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Posted: 12/26/2005 6:24:19 AM EDT
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It does not matter in Texas anyway - he could have ticketed you for not driving a reasonable and prudent speed - even if you were going the posted limit, there are other factors to determine if reasonable and prudent. And about the radar issue - they are innacurate as hell. I hate them. I have done designs for (CENSORED DUE TO NDA) company using their police radar, and stationary radar works fairly well and is pretty accurate, BUT the way they determine the speed of the officer's car in order to calculate the speed of the target is BULLSHIT. If I remember correctly, they guess where the horizon (street) is and then use that for a reference of the officer's speed - THIS GIVES NUMEROUS BOGUS RESULTS! A more accurate system would be to hook directly to the speedometer. But when they do measure your speed just remember most of the time they are not directly in-line with you so the result will show a smaller speed than you are traveling. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 6:31:08 AM EDT
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I don't know about your definition of municipal, but if it includes any type of govt entitiy then there is no way for them to prevent you from carrying if you have a CHL. Besides, the orig poster said DFW airport which CANNOT prohibit carry. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 11:09:27 AM EDT
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I was headed to Austin International Airport. However, the policeman did not even ask me which airport I was going to. Evidently the officer felt the airport of my destination was irrelevant, indicating he felt all airports would fall under the umbrella of his "no guns on airport property" claim. Being an Austin Police Officer, perhaps you can comment on the validity of the "no guns on airport property" claim made by the officer that pulled me over. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 12:23:45 PM EDT
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He probably didn't ask since there ISN'T another airport. I suggest you go to the source. Call Airport Police at 512-530-2677.
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Posted: 12/26/2005 1:05:09 PM EDT
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I frequently take flights from Austin and San Antonio. I could have been traveling to either. Regardless, I just called the number that you gave me and I spoke to Lynn of Airport police. She told me there was no law or restriction that prevents me from having a handgun in my parked car as long as I have a CHL and the gun is stored out of plain view or sight. Would you mind passing this information on to your fellow officers so they may educate themselves about the law? Thanks! |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 1:26:20 PM EDT
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I'm 45 minutes from the airport. Generally I have to drive there before the sun comes up and drive home from there after the sun has set. I have to travel on some lonely stretches of highway. If my car were to break down or if I got a flat I would prefer to be armed while I waited for help or changed the tire on the side of the road or walked to get assistance. One time I had to fly out of Miami and I had to stay in a hotel near the airport the night before. I will NOT go to Miami unarmed. Full stop, not gonna happen, wont do it, wouldnt be prudent. YMMV. Nobody can argue that if you need a gun and dont have one you are fucked. I prefer to have one in case I need it. If that involves leaving it locked in my personal vehicle, my property locked inside my property, I will do it. If you dont like that I'm not going to lose sleep over it. If it gets stolen, thats not good but it didnt get stolen because I left it there. It got stolen because a scumbag thief BROKE INTO MY CAR AND TOOK IT! When this exact case presents itself to me I take my Taurus .357 because I wont be too dissapointed if it got stolen. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 2:54:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/26/2005 2:57:23 PM EDT
[#16]
Thanks for keeping me safe dear sir! Your opinion is that - YOURS! I'll carry when I want - where I want. And fuck the snivelling JBT's. I'll remember that next time I moor up in Manhattan.......Actually - no I won't. Because your LEO opinion is subjective. In fact - you don't represent ANY other LEO!! If you are a LEO - you represent YOU! Something tells me - call me crazy - that you aren't the LEO Public Affairs guy. Actually, the average NYPD would be disgusted at your perspective. And that's not saying a whole lot. Oh btw - I carry openly and legally in Manhattan ALL the time. Sucks to have LE disagree hmmm? These uptight assholes need to get a grip. The problem lies with Officers concerned with their career over Constitutional Rights. But we've learned over the years that careers matter most - right??? Justify ANY injustice by the end!!! Fuck the "End justifies the Means" doctrine. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 3:00:34 PM EDT
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Another "The law is what I say it is" type, I gather. If these guys are going to exercise authority based on lack of knowledge, who really needs them?
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Posted: 12/26/2005 3:02:18 PM EDT
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That's his damn job. If he can't, he needs to find another line of work. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 3:30:09 PM EDT
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Johninaustin:,
Are you really a cop in Austin? Texas? I ask because you commented about calling the airport police in Austin. Are you knowledgable of the law in Texas about carry in airports? |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 3:40:14 PM EDT
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Take a look at the CA Penal Code & Vehicle Code and then shoot your mouth off..... Do you know everything about your line of work? I highly doubt it. Brian |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 3:57:01 PM EDT
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Never bothered to even look them up. Since I: Don't work in an airport. Couldn't be dragged into an airport by a team of horses, Don't KNOW anyone that works in an airport, Don't have a CHL, I couldn't care less. I don't know squat about commercial property law either. In 22 years I have yet to be asked a question on it. Why should I spend my time studying something that has no application? Now, if you want to: Commit aggravated sexual assault on preschoolers on the way to the airport, Die in a DWI fatality on the way to the airport, Kill another driver in a road rage incident on the way to the airport, Commit check fraud at the Quickie store on the way to the airport, Punch out your old lady on the way to the airport, Take hostages in a nunnery that requires a SWAT response while on your way to the airport, Violate your parole by possessing kiddie porn on the way to the airport, Suicide by blowing your head off with a shotgun on the way to the airport, Kidnap a Stewardess and shoot at oncoming traffic on your way FROM the airport, Commit illegal dumping off the end of the runway, Rustle Emu's while awaiting your flight, Then I'm your guy. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 3:59:42 PM EDT
[#22]
I know where there's some emus close by. They're like ostriches right? |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 4:01:59 PM EDT
[#23]
Tell me how do you enforce the law if you don't know it? Maybe you should not spend so much time on the internet and start studying. I couldn't get out of the police academy without knowing the laws in the state I was a commissioned officer in. And if you don't know for sure, then you should do what the officer in the OP didn't do. Keep your mouth shut. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 4:06:35 PM EDT
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I'll sum it up. Anyone who has a serious job, where the safety and lives of others (be it one person or the entire American public) is in their hands, needs to be thoroughly familiar with all rules and regulations applicable to carrying out their daily duties, or at the least, be able to readily find the appropriate reference of said rules and regulations. ie I don't expect a LEO to state verbatim all penal codes or vehicle codes, but he/she sure as hell better know where to reference them up if need be. If you can't, SHAME ON YOU. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 4:09:16 PM EDT
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 This one cracked me up.
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Posted: 12/26/2005 4:09:56 PM EDT
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I'll readily admit I dont know every law, however I do know the law for the most common occurances I encounter each night plus some more obscure ones. However, I also have several legal boxes with me along with a police department that has atleast one person that knows the specifics of a law I might not be totally aware of. I have the feeling this is pretty much the standard elsewhere. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 4:11:41 PM EDT
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Are you claiming to "know the laws in your state" the minute you stepped out of a police academy?  I have this pretty neat thing I bought off one of the police supply websites. A 10 disc CD set that has the state statutes and definitions on them. Pretty interesting stuff to me, though the average guy would probably rather have a root canal than be forced to read it. There are almost 200 pages on Bingo halls alone.
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Posted: 12/26/2005 4:17:28 PM EDT
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In Florida you do not have to tell any LEO that you have a weapon on board. Period. It is legal to have a gun in your vehicle in a closed. latched container. You do, however need a ccw to carry on you person. In other words a gun in you purse laying on the seat next to you in perfectly legal. If you don't not have a permit and grab you purse to get out if a LEO ask you to, you just broke the law. It's None of their business that you have something legal in your car.......... What kind of law does Texas Have?
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Posted: 12/26/2005 4:19:55 PM EDT
[#29]
I did at the time. I still have the book in the closet somewhere, but that was 6 years ago. I will admit, the state I was in just revised the criminal code and motor vehicle codes a few years earlier to simplify things. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 4:20:57 PM EDT
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Remember the great EMU fad a few years back? Before the bust they were selling breeding pairs for 20K each. I had a mother/daughter team rustle 480K worth of birds and eggs in a U-haul truck. THAT took a bit of research. Did you know Emu's are chipped?
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Posted: 12/26/2005 5:19:22 PM EDT
[#31]
This is the correct answer. You aren't going to know EVERY law, but you have to be able to look it up; you also have to know what sections have been rendered null and void by court decisions but not yet removed or changed in the lawbooks. If you aren't sure, your fallbacks are supervisors and ADAs. |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 5:23:42 PM EDT
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I carry in N.O. Internatioanl every time I go to pick up or drop off.
Right after 9-11 my truck was searched/looked over by security and not a word was said about the firearms... |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 5:29:27 PM EDT
[#33]
I'll buy that. |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 4:30:57 AM EDT
[#34]
Being a cop and not knowing all of the laws is certainly acceptable, as long as the cop realizes that he doesn't know all the laws and understands his limitations. The real problem is when a cop doesn't realize his limitations. A stupid cop that doesn't realize that he is stupid, is a real danger to society.
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Posted: 12/27/2005 4:41:10 AM EDT
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hey, i don't follow all the new laws like i used to but didn't congress determine that all airports fall under adual jurisdiction of the state and the faa? didn't they also pass a rule that it was legal to carry whle driving on the property but you couldn't carry into terminals???
we had a big stink up here at reagan national (you know, congresses private airport?) about that last year and i thought that was the outcome... |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 6:07:39 AM EDT
[#36]
Well put. |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 8:11:41 AM EDT
[#37]
I will agree, and I will say I have had a few encounters with LEO's who did not know the law and made things up as they went along, and all over...................... RADIOS! I am a ham radio operator, and I happen to like using commercial gear like Motorola for much of what I do. I have had cops tell me it is illegal as a scanner (not true), same guy said it is illegal to use while mobile (not true in the state I was in, or any that I know of), one asked how many watts my radio was and I said 100, he then lectured me that anything over 5 was illegal and interfered with police radios (he was confused with CB, and for CB it is 4 watts AM and 12 watts SSB so he couldn't even get that right) and one ask why I was trying to impersonate a police vehicle because I had several antennas (couldn't tell if he was serious or joking)I actually carry a copy of each states scanner and radio laws that I am traveling in as well as the whole FCC part 90 and 97. Damm, if you don't know just keep your mouth shut.......... because there is a chance the guy you are lecturing knows how much of a fool you are the more you talk.............. |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 8:15:46 AM EDT
[#38]
Cops are not known for their exceptional understanding of the law.
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Posted: 12/27/2005 8:19:01 AM EDT
[#39]
Don't think so. Probably ditto with Midway. |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 8:22:42 AM EDT
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JBT. never fails.
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Posted: 12/27/2005 9:27:55 AM EDT
[#41]
True, you cannot have a gun on airport property. |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 10:01:25 AM EDT
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Maybe not in the liberal bastion of Maryland, but in most states you sure can. Some allow carry in the passenger (non-sterile) areas, some don't. Qualify your posts, please. And cite your source. |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 10:11:04 AM EDT
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Can you not read? He was STOPPED for 10 over and then WRITTEN for 5 over (do ya see the difference or am I using words that are too big for you?). And y'all call us officers idiots? At least I can read AND comprehend what I read and that's more than I can say for you. |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 11:02:51 AM EDT
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tripledouble,
In Texas it is perfectly legal to have a gun on airport property. Otherewise how would you carry it in to check it onto the plane? ALso, you can carry up to the steril area concealed if you have a CHL. As to cops knowing all the laws. I certainly agree that a cop cann't know all the laws. No one can. What I find odd is that we have cop's here that are self professed gun nuts and they have no idea about the carry laws in the state. Sounds very odd to me. I'd think that if guns where a hobby and one is a cop you'd at least have more than a passing familitary on the topic. Espcially, since the state legislatiure enacted new laws on the topic and it was covered by most of the media. Again, I'd particullary expect a gunny cop to know about this topic. Heck, I work in a domain that is at least as broad as the Texas penal code and while it is true I don't know it all, my peers and dependents expect that I am at least broadly read on most topics. |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 11:08:16 AM EDT
[#45]
Well at least the JBT (
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Posted: 12/27/2005 11:16:19 AM EDT
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This is completely and utterly false. |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 11:48:29 AM EDT
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Where do you learn this stuff? |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 11:51:11 AM EDT
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Silly Civilians, don't you know they can make up laws as they go?
It is FUN when you go to court and the judge tosses out the case because the cop made the law up. BTDT |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 12:01:17 PM EDT
[#49]
Details please!!! Gotta love it when we show the MAN who's right!
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Posted: 12/27/2005 12:59:54 PM EDT
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I got ticketed for supposedly (no reason to lie, I won anyway) changing lanes in an intersection Didn't happen, since I was sitting next to the cop at the light, it turns green, no way I was going to change lanes that quick. But, he said I did and wrote a ticket. Got into court, ready to argue it, when the judge looked at him and said "I spent 3 hours yesterday trying to find a law to cover this. There isn't. Case dismissed. Officer, you have 30 days to find it and appeal (something like that) if you like" Cop got all fussed, and proclaimed that he'd find that law. He never did. He made it up. |
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