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Posted: 10/15/2008 8:57:01 AM EDT
[#1]
I WOULD NOT carry my AR15 into combat.
only because i haven't finished my assembly yet 
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Posted: 10/15/2008 8:57:04 AM EDT
[#2]
n e way back to the topic
no i would not trust just any brand in the op's context of combat i would however trust lmt colt fn and barrett rec7 and would trust rock river bushmaster with proper upgrades i dont own and have never plyed with a dpms olympic noveske wilson combat armalite ECT and will not comment on quality |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:01:36 AM EDT
[#3]
What department do you work for and how much time did you spend in Iraq? |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:02:17 AM EDT
[#4]
And how did their ARs handle being shot at? |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:18:46 AM EDT
[#5]
How many home owners are killed or injured in home invasions every year?
Homeowners and police are civilians. If we are going to define LEO work as combat, what negates a home invasion from being combat? |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:20:07 AM EDT
[#6]
34 people were killed at Virginia Tech last year. When people die, there is combat (according to one of the above posters). Therefore, going to college is combat. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:26:29 AM EDT
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Having spent a semester at VT, known Ryan Clark, and recognizing faces on that list, classmates, people I opened doors for, saw at the gym... I was thinking of taking french or german if I stayed, but I didn't, I went 500 miles back home... I remember when my new classmates at my new college said, "man, if you were there you would have stopped them!" I bit down on my tongue hard... I don't know if I could have stopped him that day, but I am damn sure I would have tried to. We're taking the OP's idea off topic, but he more or less meant- a Fallujah/Red Dawn/Zombie apocalypse type scenario- in which case, yes, the AR is my go to. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:31:51 AM EDT
[#8]
I disagree, police officers should be subject to same gun restrictions that civs do to prevent the US vs THEM mentality. As Thomas Jefferson put it "Anything that is illegal for the citizen but legal for the government is TYRANNY." |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:34:07 AM EDT
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I was going to go there earlier.. People die combating diseases everyday People die combating our nations highways People die combating addictions etc... It is all semantics. And Yes, I would take my AR into military combat. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:34:33 AM EDT
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I seriously doubt ANY cop in ANY city in the united states has to deal with the day to day stresses a soldier over in the international zone does. No city in the US has roadside IEDs going off daily if not hourly, snipers on rooftops and buildings, and RPG attacks on convoys. Even comparing mounted patrols to pulling over someone for speeding is obsurd. The difference is that people here arent looking for any and all ways to kill you...over there they are. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 10:13:07 AM EDT
[#11]
Found one! No we don't. 
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Posted: 10/15/2008 10:21:04 AM EDT
[#12]
The cop haters are thick as fleas on a coon dog today.
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Posted: 10/15/2008 10:29:20 AM EDT
[#13]
All this from some 16yr old(you have to be to ask this question) asking a dumb ass question that none of you should have even responsded too...
Someone kill this thread.... |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 1:37:39 PM EDT
[#14]
Several people mentioned magazines and I am fixing to buy a bunch more. Any recommendations?
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Posted: 10/15/2008 1:41:13 PM EDT
[#15]
Do they count the cops that shoot themselves? |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 1:48:00 PM EDT
[#16]
This +1 |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 1:50:56 PM EDT
[#17]
I would feel comfortable with either of my semi AR-15s, but I have no combat experience or training, and would likely not last long in such a scenerio.
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Posted: 10/15/2008 1:54:03 PM EDT
[#18]
As a fellow LEO, I humbly ask you not to compare our vocation with a combat mission. 
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Posted: 10/15/2008 1:57:38 PM EDT
[#19]
I've been a cop nearly 30 years. I've seen shot officers, I've been to police funerals. When one of us goes down, it's a crime. When our soldiers go down, it's an act of war. Please do not confuse the two. What we do is honorable, and our elected employment stands on it's own merit. We are not combat soldiers. As horrible as those 31 deaths you cited are, I'm sure since 2001 there have been at times 31 military deaths in one day. Keep it real. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 1:59:19 PM EDT
[#20]
You found one. The answer is NO. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 2:00:36 PM EDT
[#21]
I think a lot of people here are confusing combat with violence.
All combat is violence - but not all violence is combat. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 2:01:10 PM EDT
[#22]
The fact that it's not an M1 Garand.
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Posted: 10/15/2008 2:10:06 PM EDT
[#23]
This thread has gone to shit. I don't post much here but I can't help myself. I'm a cop not a soldier. If someone wants to know what police work is like I will give my two cents. I'm smart enough to "stay in my lane" and not spout off about things I do not know or have ever experienced. I would never pretend to know what it's like to be a soldier in "combat". However, I don't want to hear shit, from someone who isn't a cop, telling people what it's like to be one and what the stress is like. If you come from both backgrounds then I respect your voice in an agruement like this. If not, why waste time with talking about things you're not qualified to speak of.
Police and the Armed Forces voluntarily put their lives on the line everyday to protect people they don't know. It's insulting to compare either of those duties to a random home invasion. If you don't see my point don't bother. Both goups deserve respect. Rant off! And by the way, I would take my Colt 6920 into harms way (as I know it) any day of the week. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 2:17:49 PM EDT
[#24]
He never needed an AR..... 
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Posted: 10/15/2008 2:36:37 PM EDT
[#25]
Contractors carry them everyday in the sandbox.
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Posted: 10/15/2008 2:54:53 PM EDT
[#26]
your list is missing Reyka (who's killer has still not been aprehended) a few others from south FL. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 3:26:59 PM EDT
[#27]
Sorry to have started a flame war. This was my very vague way of asking if you would trust said rifles for hard, day-to-day use in an unpleasant environment.
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Posted: 10/15/2008 3:29:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/15/2008 3:30:25 PM EDT
[#29]
ditto. I'd take my mutt in a heartbeat |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 3:31:48 PM EDT
[#30]
I would trust both my Colts under any environment. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 3:32:43 PM EDT
[#31]
I wouldn't feel uncomfortable with an AR for combat, but all things considered, I'd rather have an AK. Preferably in 5.56mm with the muzzle brake, side-folding polymer stock, Ultimak scope mount, and an EOTech.
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Posted: 10/15/2008 7:40:54 PM EDT
[#32]
I just gotta ask... Why would you ask a question about a weapon that has been the primary weapon of our Armed Forces for over 40 years to include over 6 major conflicts and many smaller ones??? |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 8:39:29 PM EDT
[#33]
So what you're really saying here is that despite the deployment, you've NEVER seen combat?
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Posted: 10/15/2008 8:43:38 PM EDT
[#34]
With real, quality ammo, yes.
I'd leave it home if all I had was wolf steel case. My rifle vomits if I try and feed it wolf. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 8:53:48 PM EDT
[#35]
There is absolutly no doubt in my mind that my LMT would preform other than flawlessly if I took it into combat. Every single firearm I own (SIG, LMT, Mossy) I keep well maintained and I trust my life with as we all should with all of our firearms.
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:12:12 PM EDT
[#36]
Police Officer Nathaniel Taylor Jr. Chicago Police Department, IL EOW: Sunday, September 28, 2008 Cause of Death: Gunfire Aren't guns illegal in Chicago? How did this happen? |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:14:03 PM EDT
[#37]
As an Internet Commando, every time I fire up that browser... COMBAT!!
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:14:52 PM EDT
[#38]
no way. Not with my Colt A1, unless in a jungle
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:15:28 PM EDT
[#39]
A great number of the criminals are American Citizens under the protection of the US Constitution. Our enemies fall under the 'protection' of the Geniva Convention. Law Enforecement Officers do not fall under the Uniform Code Of Military Justice. Law Enforecement Officers did not Enlist or were not appointed by the President of the United States of America and not swear an Oath of Enlistment or an Oath of Office. A Law Enforecment Officer can put down his gun and badge at any time and walk away with no concequences. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:27:15 PM EDT
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Huge +1 Shot 4,000+ rds of wolf ammo through my DPMS, not single problem. This thread is retard. The AR platform has been the #1 choice for the SAS since the early 1960s. End of discussion. The AR is the dog's bollocks. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:33:50 PM EDT
[#41]
LEOs jobs generally doesnt involve going without a shower for months, laying in a clandestine partol base, eating MREs for 6 months straight, leaving their family behind for a year to do their job then coming home for 3 months and doing it all over again, worry about mortar/rocket attacks on their home, etc. There are many parallels, and both are honorable positions, but military combat action (if that is what the OP is referring to) is not comparable to a job as a LEO. Defining combat by the amount of casualties incurred by participants would mean that just stepping out your front door = combat. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:38:34 PM EDT
[#42]
Ignoring the thread hijack, the answer to the OP's question is:
Bet my life on mine. (and bet the other guy's against) 
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:44:58 PM EDT
[#43]
I would have no problem with taking one of my L.E model Colts or my LMT into a combat zone.
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:46:16 PM EDT
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if you consider inacurate popshots from a bg and a whole lot of retaliatory fire on biuldings that a guy might have seen a muzzle flash from then going door to door scaring the crap out of people combat then yes been there it was fun but now im home and quite over it while i was more stressed out in the sndbox the stress was different over there i didnt realy worry about getting shot my big concern was IED's over here my concern is more of getting shot or cut i was not saying that both types of combat are the same i was correcting a comment that police work is not combat but that, as previousely commented on, is all semantics and is pretty much over with if you realy want to battle semantics then you will have to admit that the 4200 soldiers lost in iraq since 3\19\03 does not even come close to ww2 that roughly lasted from 1941 to 1945 and had... Total human losses The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II was roughly 72 million people, making it the deadliest and most destructive war in human history. The civilian toll was around 47 million, including 20 million deaths due to war-related famine and disease. The military toll was about 25 million, including the deaths of about 4 million prisoners of war in captivity. The Allies lost approximately 61 million people, and the Axis powers lost 11 million. this make iraq look like a freakin riot by comparison the fact is one mans version of combat is not going to be the same as anothers whether your in a patrol car or a hmmwv when violence is directed at you it sure the hell feels like combat whatever uniform you wear ps for the ridiculous virginia tech comments killing 32 unarmed people is called a massacre not combat if that is your version of combat your a My Lia winner heres your prize  |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:48:51 PM EDT
[#45]
AK47.
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Posted: 10/15/2008 9:52:40 PM EDT
[#46]
Are you kidding me? 154 Officers dead by gunfire = going to combat? How many home invasions have there been this year where the homeowner was killed? How may quicky mart and liquer store owners have been killed? I guess I go into combat sitting in bed when I am at home too right? By the way, just because you are over in Iraq or Afghanistan doesn't mean you are going into combat either. Most of the people end up on an FOB and never leave the wire. That isn't going into combat. Guarding the chow hall and lifting weights in between stuffing your face and pushing paperwork is not combat. Doing DA hits on known members of AQIZ, canvasing the mountains along the border of Pakistan, cruzing the streets of Faluja and Ramadi in 04 and 05 is combat.ETA Yeah, my AR15 is good to hook. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 10:08:37 PM EDT
[#47]
I'll go ahead and say it. Bullshit. Combat? COMBAT? Where? Why is this not in the news? WHERE are cops in combat daily? When did a cop use an AR!5 in combat today? Yesterday? The day before? |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 10:36:05 PM EDT
[#48]
Not going to doubt your service, but even a vet can be a  . And punctuation and sentence structure are your friend. The part where you copied and pasted from wiki is painfully obvious. And number of people dead has very little to do with amount of combat when comparing two totally different wars and time periods. I suppose, percentage wise, WWII has nothing on various ancient wars. Combat is combat, we are just better at keeping people from dying now.
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Posted: 10/15/2008 10:47:11 PM EDT
[#49]
thats kinda what i was implying everybodys version is different
is something wrong with cut paste as a reference or is that way too low brow for your master internet skill level as for troll 1. troll 2895 up, 176 down One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument not trying to argue just disagreeing with a poster on the thread i guess anybody that disagrees is a troll as for my typing IDONTCARE 
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Posted: 10/15/2008 10:57:24 PM EDT
[#50]
It just makes it very hard to read what you have to say. A lot of people here will simply skip over your posts after reading a few words. Take some pride in your language.
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