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Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:44:28 PM EDT
They both have their strengths and weaknesses. I'll take either over a Ram any day though.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:44:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bushtree:


Lies. Not a single scuff (implies nothing worse), and the ford was totaled? Show just a picture you took of this accident scene. You did take a picture didn't you?

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Originally Posted By Bushtree:
Originally Posted By 2ANut:
My steel-bodied Chevy got hit in the parking lot by a steel-bodied Ford. The Ford was totaled and my Chevy wasn't even scuffed. Had it been a new aluminum Ford, the carnage would have been hilarious.


Lies. Not a single scuff (implies nothing worse), and the ford was totaled? Show just a picture you took of this accident scene. You did take a picture didn't you?



maybe the ford was a 1987.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:48:33 PM EDT
Ford....go with the company who did it on their own through the tuff times without taking tax payer dollars.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:52:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rapracing:
Ford....go with the company who did it on their own through the tuff times without taking tax payer dollars.
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Originally Posted By rapracing:
Ford....go with the company who did it on their own through the tuff times without taking tax payer dollars.

Except they did take tax dollars.

Ford, being the only company that didn’t get the much-publicized bailout back in 2008, had the envious position of bragging about its financial stability to its Detroit rivals. But this time it’s Ford, not GM or Chrysler, that has been receiving loans from the US government in order to upgrade its assembly lines.

Ford received $5.9 billion in June 2009, and since then has received more than $4.5 billion to retool 11 plants in five states, according to a Department of Energy spokeswoman.


http://www.automotive.com/news/ford-nissan-quietly-received-loans-from-department-of-energy-for-fuel-efficient-vehicles-74417/

Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:52:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By paul463:
Chevy...........
Because steel is vastly superior to aluminum.
<a href="http://s149.photobucket.com/user/paulz463/media/junk/IMG_20141111_135121737_zpsdhvlhzoh.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s48/paulz463/junk/IMG_20141111_135121737_zpsdhvlhzoh.jpg</a>
2006 65,000 miles.
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Im not going to add to a ford vs chevy arguement because I am not loyal to either but I have a 05 sierra with 103k on it that has no rust and I live in MN.  All lot of issues like this come from people not caring for their vehicles......
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:54:12 PM EDT
Don't really care what its made of, but is it made in the USA?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:56:50 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By OverScoped:


Don't really care what its made of, but is it made in the USA?
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Define "made".
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 8:02:06 PM EDT
FORD.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 10:45:55 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By OverScoped:


Don't really care what its made of, but is it made in the USA?I have a couple of friends that work at the GM  truck plant in Flint.

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I have a couple of friends that work at the GM truck factory in Flint.   A friend of mine ordered his truck to be built there and he got to drive his new truck off the assembly line.



 
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 10:49:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2ANut:


No pics, we were already pretty embarrassed on behalf of the Ford driver who hit a parked pickup truck.

I think he hit one of his own crumple zones just right. The front end was really mangled. Chevy taillights and rear bumpers are surprisingly durable!
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Originally Posted By 2ANut:
Originally Posted By Bushtree:
Originally Posted By 2ANut:
My steel-bodied Chevy got hit in the parking lot by a steel-bodied Ford. The Ford was totaled and my Chevy wasn't even scuffed. Had it been a new aluminum Ford, the carnage would have been hilarious.


Lies. Not a single scuff (implies nothing worse), and the ford was totaled? Show just a picture you took of this accident scene. You did take a picture didn't you?



No pics, we were already pretty embarrassed on behalf of the Ford driver who hit a parked pickup truck.

I think he hit one of his own crumple zones just right. The front end was really mangled. Chevy taillights and rear bumpers are surprisingly durable!


There's a difference between exaggeration and compulsively lying...
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Originally Posted By 2ANut:


My steel-bodied Chevy got hit in the parking lot by a steel-bodied Ford. The Ford was totaled and my Chevy wasn't even scuffed. Had it been a new aluminum Ford, the carnage would have been hilarious.
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LOL



 
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 10:54:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By P400:





Originally Posted By rapracing:


Ford....go with the company who did it on their own through the tuff times without taking tax payer dollars.



Except they did take tax dollars.
Ford, being the only company that didn’t get the much-publicized bailout back in 2008, had the envious position of bragging about its financial stability to its Detroit rivals. But this time it’s Ford, not GM or Chrysler, that has been receiving loans from the US government in order to upgrade its assembly lines.





Ford received $5.9 billion in June 2009, and since then has received more than $4.5 billion to retool 11 plants in five states, according to a Department of Energy spokeswoman.








http://www.automotive.com/news/ford-nissan-quietly-received-loans-from-department-of-energy-for-fuel-efficient-vehicles-74417/





couple big players take DOE loans.  






Nissan and Ford at least paid it back

 





 
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 10:55:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kentucky_smith:
The stable (just missing the Rav4). They're all good, the Ford is just more gooderer.  Love my Ecoboost and the hoods have been aluminum since 04.  The wife's Tahoe is more plastic than steel.  
How many 99-09 Chevy's are running around with half rusted out rocker panels?  
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XhHpzeaTjKg/VE2pZbALxkI/AAAAAAAADfs/1L4ksTGT6pc/s800/20141026_182500.jpg
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Not mine.
It has 348,000 Km and is winter driven.
Not a spot of rust on it.


Link Posted: 1/18/2015 10:56:05 PM EDT
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Not in 2014 but Ford fans claim #1 last 37 years in a row.
Pull those numbers up

Eta: Doh forgot to quote vvvvvvvvvv
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 10:57:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
Originally Posted By ARWrench223:
Originally Posted By Jmo371:
there is a reason why the best selling truck for like 37 years is the F-150...oh and it is the most American vehicle on the road...


If you wanna get technical however Chevy and GMC combined far exceeds Ford sales

Are you sure about that?

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/11/best-selling-pickup-trucks-october-2014.html

http://blogs.cars.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e201b7c6ffb3dc970b-pi


Eta: I currently drive a 2014 F250
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 10:59:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jmo371:
there is a reason why the best selling truck for like 37 years is the F-150...oh and it is the most American vehicle on the road...
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They sell more Timex watches than Rolex, It doesn`t  make them better . Usually just more cheaper.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:06:54 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By kentucky_smith:


The stable (just missing the Rav4). They're all good, the Ford is just more gooderer.  Love my Ecoboost and the hoods have been aluminum since 04.  The wife's Tahoe is more plastic than steel.  

How many 99-09 Chevy's are running around with half rusted out rocker panels?  

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XhHpzeaTjKg/VE2pZbALxkI/AAAAAAAADfs/1L4ksTGT6pc/s800/20141026_182500.jpg
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Cheyenne is the best in that group!

 
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:10:24 PM EDT
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I was really looking forward to the new F150, but I'm going to pass on the '15.

It's only getting a 6 speed this year, I think it's supposed to have an 8 and 10 speed available next year.
I believe Sync is also to be replaced in '16.

I'm not buying a new truck that'll be an old truck next year.
I like all of Fords selling points on the new truck, but it'll be better next year.

Of course you can't get the 8 speed with the 5.3 on the Chevy for '15. You have to wait for '16 for that too.

Those Rams are looking pretty sharp. And the review have been pretty positive.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:11:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AKSnowRider:
Will have to see how the paint holds up, extremely hard to get paint to stick good to aluminum especially in high calcium chloride areas....as for the poster who said they sell more trucks then anyone else..technically they don't..GM out sells them when you combine chevy/gmc/caddy...all built on the same platform.....as for the V-6..I will still take a GM 6.2 over it..better performance and fuel economy out of the new 6.2.....Drive what fits you..they are all damn good compared to even 10 years ago...
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These guys have been doing it for a very very long time



Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:14:22 PM EDT
My next truck will likely be a F150. (If I can find one around here with a V8 for under 50K )
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:19:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Private-Sectre:

These guys have been doing it for a very very long time

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Yep, lots have been able to stick in good conditions..but fords up here have already had issues with paint bubbling , especially on tailgates and lower cab corners..Aluminum makes that even harder... hope they do, but its something I will be watching for....
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Originally Posted By 2ANut:


No pics, we were already pretty embarrassed on behalf of the Ford driver who hit a parked pickup truck.

I think he hit one of his own crumple zones just right. The front end was really mangled. Chevy taillights and rear bumpers are surprisingly durable!
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Originally Posted By Bushtree:
Originally Posted By 2ANut:
My steel-bodied Chevy got hit in the parking lot by a steel-bodied Ford. The Ford was totaled and my Chevy wasn't even scuffed. Had it been a new aluminum Ford, the carnage would have been hilarious.


Lies. Not a single scuff (implies nothing worse), and the ford was totaled? Show just a picture you took of this accident scene. You did take a picture didn't you?



No pics, we were already pretty embarrassed on behalf of the Ford driver who hit a parked pickup truck.

I think he hit one of his own crumple zones just right. The front end was really mangled. Chevy taillights and rear bumpers are surprisingly durable!

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Originally Posted By Dagger41:
Not mine.

It has 348,000 Km and is winter driven.

Not a spot of rust on it.

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l519/Dagger41/029_zps3ae2a254.jpg



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Originally Posted By kentucky_smith:

The stable (just missing the Rav4). They're all good, the Ford is just more gooderer.  Love my Ecoboost and the hoods have been aluminum since 04.  The wife's Tahoe is more plastic than steel.  

How many 99-09 Chevy's are running around with half rusted out rocker panels?  

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Not mine.

It has 348,000 Km and is winter driven.

Not a spot of rust on it.

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l519/Dagger41/029_zps3ae2a254.jpg



Do you use Krown or just wash regularly? Just curious.

 
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:20:56 PM EDT
Super Charged Tundra FTW
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:21:39 PM EDT
No gov motors for me. Ever.
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Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:23:27 PM EDT
I drive diesels, we need them for farm work. Only one choice when it comes to diesel, and it's a Dodge. If you want to get picky it's a Cummins wrapped in a Dodge.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:24:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bm3:
Tundra FTW
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Trucks, not cars.

Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:29:22 PM EDT
Every truck I owned gets sprayed with hydrolic oil in the rocker panels, doors, and up in the fender wells. I drove my 95 toy t100 til 2008 with no signs of rust.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:30:00 PM EDT
wow, so after 65,000 miles it turns into a dpms lower.  go ford.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:34:40 PM EDT
So Ford is advertising "military grade" aluminum and Chevy has rolled steel that is "used to make US submarines".  How long before Ram comes out with a truck that has some stupid ass comparison to military hardware?  
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:40:25 PM EDT
Too soon to say; give it a few more years.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:41:02 PM EDT
I think our old friend "rust" will settle this debate a few years down the road.
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Originally Posted By AKSnowRider:
Will have to see how the paint holds up, extremely hard to get paint to stick good to aluminum especially in high calcium chloride areas....as for the poster who said they sell more trucks then anyone else..technically they don't..GM out sells them when you combine chevy/gmc/caddy...all built on the same platform.....as for the V-6..I will still take a GM 6.2 over it..better performance and fuel economy out of the new 6.2.....Drive what fits you..they are all damn good compared to even 10 years ago...
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Yeah, biggest threat is galvanic corrosion in the rust belt. I've seen so much of it on cars and trucks, that it's going to take time for me to believe that Ford has taken enough safeguards to prevent it. I'm more concerned about the points where steel meets Al than I am about paint peeling.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:44:41 PM EDT
Ford F2/350, since you can get a diesel 3/4 or 1 ton from them for like $2k more than a half ton now.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:45:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Stealthy_Waffle:
Solid front axle.
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1906 called, they want their technology back.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:48:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Stealthy_Waffle:
Solid front axle.
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13er. Figures.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:49:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rogueboss:
Have owned a non aluminum ford and a chevy. Own a dodge now for a reason. Are they both still using leaf springs in the rear? Outdated bro. My 3/4 ton Ram rides so much better than any 1/2 ton truck I ever owned. (Chevy,ford,toyota)
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Is that reason because you don't keep vehicles long?

And yes, leaf springs hold up much better with heavy loads. They're useful if you use your truck for anything besides BroDozing around town.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:54:39 PM EDT
If I was buying a new pickup it'd be a 1 ton and it'd probably be a Ram with a Cummins. Having said that, if we limit the discussion to 1/2 tons only, I'd look at the Ford...and then probably still buy a Ram.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:56:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ReallyLongAction:
As a long time Chevy guy, I like the Ram of the 3.  I don't like the current trend Ford is on. Yes, I know Ford is ARFCOM's truck of choice.


A buddy of mine just bought a Laramie Longhorn 2500.  Bar none, that is the nicest truck I have ever been in.
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Ford isn't arfcom's favorite. Do you even Taco bro? Or Tundra if you want to be extra ArfBro.
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Originally Posted By P400:
Originally Posted By rapracing:
Ford....go with the company who did it on their own through the tuff times without taking tax payer dollars.

Except they did take tax dollars.

Ford, being the only company that didn’t get the much-publicized bailout back in 2008, had the envious position of bragging about its financial stability to its Detroit rivals. But this time it’s Ford, not GM or Chrysler, that has been receiving loans from the US government in order to upgrade its assembly lines.

Ford received $5.9 billion in June 2009, and since then has received more than $4.5 billion to retool 11 plants in five states, according to a Department of Energy spokeswoman.


http://www.automotive.com/news/ford-nissan-quietly-received-loans-from-department-of-energy-for-fuel-efficient-vehicles-74417/


Did you even read the article???
Geesus F**king Christ!
Dept of Energy?
Read first, flap your gums after you comprehend what you just read.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 12:02:33 AM EDT
I drive an F350.  Half tons are for city slickers.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 12:06:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By captexas:
So Ford is advertising "military grade" aluminum and Chevy has rolled steel that is "used to make US submarines".  How long before Ram comes out with a truck that has some stupid ass comparison to military hardware?  
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Watch for the return of;
Fine Corinthian Leather.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 12:10:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By kentucky_smith:
The stable (just missing the Rav4). They're all good, the Ford is just more gooderer.  Love my Ecoboost and the hoods have been aluminum since 04.  The wife's Tahoe is more plastic than steel.  
How many 99-09 Chevy's are running around with half rusted out rocker panels?  
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XhHpzeaTjKg/VE2pZbALxkI/AAAAAAAADfs/1L4ksTGT6pc/s800/20141026_182500.jpg
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dang, your old chevy looks like an s10 compared to the f150
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 12:17:07 AM EDT
Ford no doubt
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 12:19:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ackspac:

Did you even read the article???
Geesus F**king Christ!
Dept of Energy?
Read first, flap your gums after you comprehend what you just read.
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Originally Posted By ackspac:
Originally Posted By P400:
Originally Posted By rapracing:
Ford....go with the company who did it on their own through the tuff times without taking tax payer dollars.

Except they did take tax dollars.

Ford, being the only company that didn’t get the much-publicized bailout back in 2008, had the envious position of bragging about its financial stability to its Detroit rivals. But this time it’s Ford, not GM or Chrysler, that has been receiving loans from the US government in order to upgrade its assembly lines.

Ford received $5.9 billion in June 2009, and since then has received more than $4.5 billion to retool 11 plants in five states, according to a Department of Energy spokeswoman.


http://www.automotive.com/news/ford-nissan-quietly-received-loans-from-department-of-energy-for-fuel-efficient-vehicles-74417/


Did you even read the article???
Geesus F**king Christ!
Dept of Energy?
Read first, flap your gums after you comprehend what you just read.

If you are trying to voice some sort of objection to what I posted, you're doing a derptastic job.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 12:20:28 AM EDT
I'm rocking a 2014 GMC Sierra with the 5.4 EcoTech at the moment. Liking it so far.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 12:21:31 AM EDT
I wouldn't ever buy a Ford..not be a use of ecoboost or aluminum bodies but because Ford likes to experiment on it's customers...I've had issues with GM products...all of it out of warranty..and after a phone call to the regional GM reps all of it was covered by GM. Ford has told many people I know to get bent the moment the warranty expired...even with egregious defects. For some reason the brand loyalty allows owners to look past this. I would never trust a Ford power train over the long haul.



I've done cab corners on my truck after 200k in the rust belt. I can't complain about that...salt is brutal.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 12:22:18 AM EDT

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I'm rocking a 2014 GMC Sierra with the 5.4 EcoTech at the moment. Liking it so far.
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