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Posted: 3/27/2023 11:09:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It'd be great if they're stockpiling them prior to the counter offense. They have like 1000 drone operators so it won't be 100,000 all at once. Plus you want reserves of them. Don't want to have 0 attack drones in your inventory after day 1. A couple of drone operators could go through a ton in a day. Couple minute flight each. And if they have autopilot they could be flown close and staged to attack in succession. And if they could sneak some across into Crimea on could have real fun with the naval base... |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 11:13:40 AM EDT
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GD MISSION:
DENY DRONES CARRYING EXPLOSIVES EXIST HOW? ARGUE CONSTANTLY AND DISTRACT FROM ANY DISCUSSION ON HOW TO FIGHT BACK 
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Posted: 3/27/2023 1:56:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suggest to stop arguing with the guy that has openly admitted to sponsoring an Afghan "interpreter" to move over here, such people are broken in the mind and there's no reasoning with them. Why? One of the most shortsighted things Biden did was leave our people to the wolves. Did you never form a bond with the guys you fought alongside? |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 2:17:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? One of the most shortsighted things Biden did was leave our people to the wolves. Did you never form a bond with the guys you fought alongside? The only fighting hes seen has been in GD. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 2:44:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2023 2:46:25 PM EDT
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I was wrong
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Posted: 3/27/2023 2:58:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was wrong Excuse me sir, this is GD. We don't do that here. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 4:17:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt is a 9 or 15, but the 7M is the same warhead anyway. Thry can be fired out of the BMP-1 gun as well. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 5:01:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? One of the most shortsighted things Biden did was leave our people to the wolves. Did you never form a bond with the guys you fought alongside? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I suggest to stop arguing with the guy that has openly admitted to sponsoring an Afghan "interpreter" to move over here, such people are broken in the mind and there's no reasoning with them. Why? One of the most shortsighted things Biden did was leave our people to the wolves. Did you never form a bond with the guys you fought alongside? It's fucking dumb. I was pretty upset hearing about Afghans that fought by our guys were being blocked from coming here. Who would ever want to fight alongside Americans if they throw their friends under the bus. Fucking dumb as hell short sightedness. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 5:42:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell I just printed this FPV drone frame yesterday. Gotta buy the other components though https://i.ibb.co/xY2W1WT/825-F5635-7-D4-B-46-D4-92-E3-A0-BA5-A5-B9-DA5.jpg They're fun to build.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 5:44:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This has been a Great thread for smoking out the demoralized, low information, "Everything is Fake fake as fuck" bois. It's an amazing phenomenon. Is anyone else as shocked by this as I am? Russian propaganda has been Highly effective Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: PsyOps.. Those are not getting off the ground. This. No way those little drones in that pic are hauling that big ass bomb anywhere even if it is hollow. Maybe another drone but imho that pic is faked. This has been a Great thread for smoking out the demoralized, low information, "Everything is Fake fake as fuck" bois. It's an amazing phenomenon. Is anyone else as shocked by this as I am? Russian propaganda has been Highly effective Clown world where nothing is real because *Fill in the blank* is President, not the guy I voted for. It's pathetic we are doing the same stupid shit as we got angry at Libs over. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 5:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RPGs have EFP warheads, the top armor on tanks is thinner. I expected a Russophile to get it wrong |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 5:52:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about it? Both sides are pumping out all the EW they can, but the front line is long, the variety of drones is huge, the inverse square law is always in play and radiating jammers will be located quickly. EW can work, but it isn't magic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unless those were beer can thick aluminium dummies. What about jamming? What about it? Both sides are pumping out all the EW they can, but the front line is long, the variety of drones is huge, the inverse square law is always in play and radiating jammers will be located quickly. EW can work, but it isn't magic. It makes me so happy to see the Russians invested in EW per capital than anyone else, I believe. And it's being overcome with modified commercial drones. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 5:59:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is a 9 or 15, but the 7M is the same warhead anyway. Thry can be fired out of the BMP-1 gun as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: It is a 9 or 15, but the 7M is the same warhead anyway. Thry can be fired out of the BMP-1 gun as well. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 6:09:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Point out where anything I said was wrong instead of throwing insults. As for knowing about them, none of the cheerleaders of the drone superweapon know a damn thing about them either. Are you going to bitch at them too? There are obviously a lot of people making arguments both ways who don't have much knowledge about drones (or RPGs for that matter) but there are quite a few who do. There has also been plenty of technical, referenced data on the subject backing up the easily verifiable fact that a 5" or 6" FPV quad drone can easily carry an RPG warhead. You're kind of showing your ass here by ignoring that. Here is the spec sheet for a popular motor used in drones like the ones in the pic on the first page with the RPGs attached: https://uav-en.tmotor.com/2023/Motor_0301/853.html Don't forget, there are 4 motors on a quad. It's been repeatedly stated (and easily verifiable) that the warhead portion of an RPG is about 2 lbs. Now why in your mind wouldn't it work? Lets hear your reasoning. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 6:24:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Ve vill beet da Amehrikans vith our supah stronk elektronik varfere sistems". It makes me so happy to see the Russians invested in EW per capital than anyone else, I believe. And it's being overcome with modified commercial drones. The Soviets/Russians developed a lot of really fascinating EW equipment and capabilities, with a much more extensive ground vehicle component then what I'm aware of NATO forces having. They then left a lot of that stuff, pristine, as they've been forced to retreat. The latest and greatest Russian jammers, passive radar, crypto, satellite comms terminals etc. all now in NATO hands. Whatever advantages or surprises they had are now being negated. In short order US jammers will be upgraded to exploit that information and Growlers will just rape Russian electronic everything.. Russia EW capabilities aren't worthless against Ukraine,and they're still fighting the fight. It's surprising that they couldn't figure out how to deconflict with their own forces, or protect the ew assets better. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 7:52:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Soviets/Russians developed a lot of really fascinating EW equipment and capabilities, with a much more extensive ground vehicle component then what I'm aware of NATO forces having. They then left a lot of that stuff, pristine, as they've been forced to retreat. The latest and greatest Russian jammers, passive radar, crypto, satellite comms terminals etc. all now in NATO hands. Whatever advantages or surprises they had are now being negated. In short order US jammers will be upgraded to exploit that information and Growlers will just rape Russian electronic everything.. Russia EW capabilities aren't worthless against Ukraine,and they're still fighting the fight. It's surprising that they couldn't figure out how to deconflict with their own forces, or protect the ew assets better. Yeah, I've been informed in the past by people with actual knowledge on this stuff who are serving or have served. It does work. However Ukraine are Drone veterans, they've been doing this since 2014 and have tactics and everything formed into how and where they're used. Russia on the other hand doesn't have any of that almost decades long of drone combat experience. So they're way behind, and is part of why you hardly see any Russian drone drop videos. I was sorta just making fun of the Russians, and be hyperbolic. But it is a fact that they've taken out a bunch of Russian real expensive EW equipment with these things. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 8:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The absolutely staggering incompetence and stupidity of GD never ceases to amaze me. Yes. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 8:05:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are obviously a lot of people making arguments both ways who don't have much knowledge about drones (or RPGs for that matter) but there are quite a few who do. There has also been plenty of technical, referenced data on the subject backing up the easily verifiable fact that a 5" or 6" FPV quad drone can easily carry an RPG warhead. You're kind of showing your ass here by ignoring that. Here is the spec sheet for a popular motor used in drones like the ones in the pic on the first page with the RPGs attached: https://uav-en.tmotor.com/2023/Motor_0301/853.html Don't forget, there are 4 motors on a quad. It's been repeatedly stated (and easily verifiable) that the warhead portion of an RPG is about 2 lbs. Now why in your mind wouldn't it work? Lets hear your reasoning. You are being politer to him than he deserves at this point. For that I tip my hat. He has been Don Quixote'ing that drone windmill way too hard with a much higher devotion to his ego than sincerity. It's getting absurd which is sadly about normal it seems. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 8:09:55 PM EDT
[#20]
Drone pilots stand up!!! It's Orc killing time!!!
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Posted: 3/27/2023 10:31:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hell I just printed this FPV drone frame yesterday. Gotta buy the other components though https://i.ibb.co/xY2W1WT/825-F5635-7-D4-B-46-D4-92-E3-A0-BA5-A5-B9-DA5.jpg They're fun to build. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203945/quad_stuff_jpg-2760911.JPG Buddy of mine built a one-off high speed version. Top end was almost 200mph (right before you ran out of battery  ). I declined to fly that one as the really fast ones just aren't that much fun to me.
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Posted: 3/27/2023 10:38:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are obviously a lot of people making arguments both ways who don't have much knowledge about drones (or RPGs for that matter) but there are quite a few who do. There has also been plenty of technical, referenced data on the subject backing up the easily verifiable fact that a 5" or 6" FPV quad drone can easily carry an RPG warhead. You're kind of showing your ass here by ignoring that. Here is the spec sheet for a popular motor used in drones like the ones in the pic on the first page with the RPGs attached: https://uav-en.tmotor.com/2023/Motor_0301/853.html Don't forget, there are 4 motors on a quad. It's been repeatedly stated (and easily verifiable) that the warhead portion of an RPG is about 2 lbs. Now why in your mind wouldn't it work? Lets hear your reasoning. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Point out where anything I said was wrong instead of throwing insults. As for knowing about them, none of the cheerleaders of the drone superweapon know a damn thing about them either. Are you going to bitch at them too? There are obviously a lot of people making arguments both ways who don't have much knowledge about drones (or RPGs for that matter) but there are quite a few who do. There has also been plenty of technical, referenced data on the subject backing up the easily verifiable fact that a 5" or 6" FPV quad drone can easily carry an RPG warhead. You're kind of showing your ass here by ignoring that. Here is the spec sheet for a popular motor used in drones like the ones in the pic on the first page with the RPGs attached: https://uav-en.tmotor.com/2023/Motor_0301/853.html Don't forget, there are 4 motors on a quad. It's been repeatedly stated (and easily verifiable) that the warhead portion of an RPG is about 2 lbs. Now why in your mind wouldn't it work? Lets hear your reasoning. Keep in mind that you don't actually get 4x the thrust of a single motor on a quad because there has to be some margin for differential throttling to control roll, pitch, and yaw. Still doesn't change the fact that the drones in the OP can hoist 2-2.5lb payloads. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 11:01:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I've been informed in the past by people with actual knowledge on this stuff who are serving or have served. It does work. However Ukraine are Drone veterans, they've been doing this since 2014 and have tactics and everything formed into how and where they're used. Russia on the other hand doesn't have any of that almost decades long of drone combat experience. So they're way behind, and is part of why you hardly see any Russian drone drop videos. I was sorta just making fun of the Russians, and be hyperbolic. But it is a fact that they've taken out a bunch of Russian real expensive EW equipment with these things. They're not drone veterans, the tactics and lessons employed by them are going to be used in future war college papers and presentations. They're drone lords. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 11:06:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: China regime is worse and far more of a threat to the US. I'd rather they not get more powerful then they are now. True, but i'm pointing out a logical deduction. Russia's pathetic attempt to grab land and people is going to cost them. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 11:15:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're not drone veterans, the tactics and lessons employed by them are going to be used in future war college papers and presentations. They're drone lords. While Ukraine's efforts have been innovative, Russia is absolutely smoking them in the drone game regardless of Twitter and Tik Tok videos. They have China and Iran on their side. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 11:16:38 PM EDT
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More propaganda pictures
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Posted: 3/27/2023 11:29:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While Ukraine's efforts have been innovative, Russia is absolutely smoking them in the drone game regardless of Twitter and Tik Tok videos. They have China and Iran on their side. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They're not drone veterans, the tactics and lessons employed by them are going to be used in future war college papers and presentations. They're drone lords. While Ukraine's efforts have been innovative, Russia is absolutely smoking them in the drone game regardless of Twitter and Tik Tok videos. They have China and Iran on their side. Are you referencing the longer range and heavier payload drones in that regard? Hasn’t Ukraine’s increased AD degraded that advantage significantly? I thought although they can’t protect much against the ballistic missiles until they get more Oatriot or NASAM sites up, they were being very successful on the slower drones. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 11:42:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you referencing the longer range and heavier payload drones in that regard? Hasn’t Ukraine’s increased AD degraded that advantage significantly? I thought although they can’t protect much against the ballistic missiles until they get more Oatriot or NASAM sites up, they were being very successful on the slower drones. Are they successful in shooting them down? Or is Russia successful in forcing Ukraine to expend million dollar missiles against $20K OWAs?  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 12:22:24 AM EDT
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With all the AI stuff going on, how long will it take to get AI to write a program that can recognize a Russian tank image and then intentionally ram the drone into it. This would take the jamming off the table as the drone would be autonomous. You could even just program it to look for the letter “z” as a target.
If DJI can write a program that follows you down a hill filming while you ride your mountain bike, writing a program to recognize and ram specific vehicles from a library of target images can’t be any harder. You could even start with manual control and have the drone default to autonomous search and destroy mode if it loses contact with the operator, and return to the take off point and if it doesn’t find a target. There have to be smart folks out there who could do this. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 12:46:48 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While Ukraine's efforts have been innovative, Russia is absolutely smoking them in the drone game regardless of Twitter and Tik Tok videos. They have China and Iran on their side. In the long range drones, yes. The Shahed 136 was very effective. Not so much at the moment. They adapted and overcame. I think in the shorter range/recon area Ukraine has a lot more options that are better. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 12:47:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More propaganda pictures Oh no, some photos disagree with my beliefs 
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Posted: 3/28/2023 12:57:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the long range drones, yes. The Shahed 136 was very effective. Not so much at the moment. They adapted and overcame. I think in the shorter range/recon area Ukraine has a lot more options that are better. They overcame due to receiving an expensive and extremely finite supply of missiles. How long do you think they will last? Even though these drones are functional, the 50k and 100k numbers are most likely complete bullshit. The small drone fight is pretty intense and fast moving on both sides, Twitter only shows half of it though. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 1:25:32 AM EDT
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Need several arrays of auto-loading Net Guns to launch, maybe high power that would go up at least 300 ft, be a hell of a recoil to get a net that high weights to spin out and hold net open. Though if we have MLRS, we have a way of providing anti-drone without having to hit each with a bullet.
An automated mini-CRAM/CIWS are getting down in wavelength and prediction to hit in just a couple shots now. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 2:24:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A PG 7, 9 or 15 does not have an EFP warhead. 99% of RPGs do not have EFP's. They have HEAT warheads, which are significantly different.   |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 4:40:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they successful in shooting them down? Or is Russia successful in forcing Ukraine to expend million dollar missiles against $20K OWAs? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45449/bb6_jpg-2761384.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you referencing the longer range and heavier payload drones in that regard? Hasn’t Ukraine’s increased AD degraded that advantage significantly? I thought although they can’t protect much against the ballistic missiles until they get more Oatriot or NASAM sites up, they were being very successful on the slower drones. Are they successful in shooting them down? Or is Russia successful in forcing Ukraine to expend million dollar missiles against $20K OWAs? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45449/bb6_jpg-2761384.JPG I don’t know which sizes you are referencing, hence the question. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 10:08:16 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With all the AI stuff going on, how long will it take to get AI to write a program that can recognize a Russian tank image and then intentionally ram the drone into it. This would take the jamming off the table as the drone would be autonomous. You could even just program it to look for the letter “z” as a target. If DJI can write a program that follows you down a hill filming while you ride your mountain bike, writing a program to recognize and ram specific vehicles from a library of target images can’t be any harder. You could even start with manual control and have the drone default to autonomous search and destroy mode if it loses contact with the operator, and return to the take off point and if it doesn’t find a target. There have to be smart folks out there who could do this. There were programs that could recognize Russian tanks by engine sound in the 90s, or so I’ve been told. Today’s image processing could make that dual factor authentication easily. Wouldn’t even take AI. TBH I would be surprised if these systems didn’t exist today. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 11:14:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryHEAT is not an EFP. They are both shaped charges but not the same. An EFP uses a significantly shallower curvature of the liner, and they have much different standoff and effective distances. They function very differently, at its base level EFP uses a slug while HEAT uses a jet.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 11:38:21 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know which sizes you are referencing, hence the question. The Russians are using all groups of UAS, but the assumption due to social media is that they are only successful in the group 2/3 range (lancet and shahed). This is not true, successes on both sides in the sUAS Group 1 category ebb and flow based on variables that change daily or weekly. However the Shahed problem is a major issue for Ukraine even if they shoot them all down. Its designed for that type of attrition still creating a positive outcome. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 12:39:52 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With all the AI stuff going on, how long will it take to get AI to write a program that can recognize a Russian tank image and then intentionally ram the drone into it. This would take the jamming off the table as the drone would be autonomous. You could even just program it to look for the letter “z” as a target. If DJI can write a program that follows you down a hill filming while you ride your mountain bike, writing a program to recognize and ram specific vehicles from a library of target images can’t be any harder. You could even start with manual control and have the drone default to autonomous search and destroy mode if it loses contact with the operator, and return to the take off point and if it doesn’t find a target. There have to be smart folks out there who could do this. Already being done as far as I know. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 12:55:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus, the physics of how a HEAT round works isn't simply crashing a RPG round at low speed against a tank. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PsyOps.. Those are not getting off the ground. Plus, the physics of how a HEAT round works isn't simply crashing a RPG round at low speed against a tank. Straight from a low-effort search of Wikipedia: "Since velocity has little effect on the armor-piercing ability of the round, which is defined by explosive power, HEAT rounds were particularly useful in long-range combat where slower terminal velocity was not an issue." Source - HEAT on Wikipedia More low-effort searching shows - "The the tip of the metal jet produced by the Monroe effect is moving at 7 - 14 kilometers per *second*." Source - Shaped charge on Wikipedia The difference in forward velocity produced by a RPG rocket or a drone is irrelevant. That 30 kilometers per hour is fuck all of the combined meeting velocity. Source - my degrees in solid state physics and chemistry. Plus high school algebra, a calculator, and the slightest smidgen of common sense. For the love of God, Buddha, or **insert deity of choice** please do a minimal amount of actual research before you post. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 1:01:43 PM EDT
[#41]
Double tap . . .
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Posted: 3/28/2023 2:03:00 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please Mr. Science - tell me more about how a HEAT round works! Straight from a low-effort search of Wikipedia: "Since velocity has little effect on the armor-piercing ability of the round, which is defined by explosive power, HEAT rounds were particularly useful in long-range combat where slower terminal velocity was not an issue." Source - HEAT on Wikipedia More low-effort searching shows - "The the tip of the metal jet produced by the Monroe effect is moving at 7,000 - 14,000 kilometers per *second*." Source - Shaped charge on Wikipedia The difference in forward velocity produced by a RPG rocket or a drone is irrelevant. That 30 kilometers per hour (.008 k/sec) is less than .000119% of the combined meeting velocity. Source - my degrees in solid state physics and chemistry. Plus high school algebra, a calculator, and the slightest smidgen of common sense. For the love of God, Buddha, or **insert deity of choice** please do a minimal amount of actual research before you post. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: PsyOps.. Those are not getting off the ground. Plus, the physics of how a HEAT round works isn't simply crashing a RPG round at low speed against a tank. Straight from a low-effort search of Wikipedia: "Since velocity has little effect on the armor-piercing ability of the round, which is defined by explosive power, HEAT rounds were particularly useful in long-range combat where slower terminal velocity was not an issue." Source - HEAT on Wikipedia More low-effort searching shows - "The the tip of the metal jet produced by the Monroe effect is moving at 7,000 - 14,000 kilometers per *second*." Source - Shaped charge on Wikipedia The difference in forward velocity produced by a RPG rocket or a drone is irrelevant. That 30 kilometers per hour (.008 k/sec) is less than .000119% of the combined meeting velocity. Source - my degrees in solid state physics and chemistry. Plus high school algebra, a calculator, and the slightest smidgen of common sense. For the love of God, Buddha, or **insert deity of choice** please do a minimal amount of actual research before you post. Meters, not kilometers. It's still fast as hell though. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 2:06:23 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meters, not kilometers. It's still fast as hell though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: PsyOps.. Those are not getting off the ground. Plus, the physics of how a HEAT round works isn't simply crashing a RPG round at low speed against a tank. Straight from a low-effort search of Wikipedia: "Since velocity has little effect on the armor-piercing ability of the round, which is defined by explosive power, HEAT rounds were particularly useful in long-range combat where slower terminal velocity was not an issue." Source - HEAT on Wikipedia More low-effort searching shows - "The the tip of the metal jet produced by the Monroe effect is moving at 7,000 - 14,000 kilometers per *second*." Source - Shaped charge on Wikipedia The difference in forward velocity produced by a RPG rocket or a drone is irrelevant. That 30 kilometers per hour (.008 k/sec) is less than .000119% of the combined meeting velocity. Source - my degrees in solid state physics and chemistry. Plus high school algebra, a calculator, and the slightest smidgen of common sense. For the love of God, Buddha, or **insert deity of choice** please do a minimal amount of actual research before you post. Meters, not kilometers. It's still fast as hell though. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 5:29:03 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They overcame due to receiving an expensive and extremely finite supply of missiles. How long do you think they will last? Even though these drones are functional, the 50k and 100k numbers are most likely complete bullshit. The small drone fight is pretty intense and fast moving on both sides, Twitter only shows half of it though. I do believe they've been shooting down many of those Iranian drones with Gepards, small arms and such. I heard that they're not mass producible in Iran, they're basically making them by hand. The rumor is Iran is almost out of them. But yeah, it is bad to trade a S-300 missile for one if these dumb drones. Russia has the same problem though. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 7:32:03 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I do believe they've been shooting down many of those Iranian drones with Gepards, small arms and such. I heard that they're not mass producible in Iran, they're basically making them by hand. The rumor is Iran is almost out of them. But yeah, it is bad to trade a S-300 missile for one if these dumb drones. Russia has the same problem though. Sorry, but most of this is false. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 7:36:38 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a Dr, but those drones ain't picking up that. You wouldn’t believe how much thrust those props put out…. And it doesn’t have to fly for long. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 7:37:09 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure those drones won't have any issues carrying those RPG warheads............. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Go watch some YT videos of racing quads in action. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 9:44:04 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryNo it is not. A HEAT round creates a molten jet from the copper liner that uses high temperature plasma to melt a hole through armor. It is roughly capable of conservatively penetrating 10-12 times its diameter. An EFP, or explosively formed projectile, uses the liner to create a lug, or mini cannonball if you will. It is much less efficient, maybe 1-2 ties its diameter. What is noteworthy about an EFP is you could set it by the side of the road and it explodes, basically firing a golfball sized projectile into the sides of vehicles. https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1636388484880683014 |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 1:22:56 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Buddy of mine built a one-off high speed version. Top end was almost 200mph (right before you ran out of battery ). I declined to fly that one as the really fast ones just aren't that much fun to me.Wow. Quads have really come a long way over the past few years. It wasn't all that long ago the Guinness record for a racing drone was ~180 mph. I guess the current record is at 224 mph. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 2:07:29 PM EDT
[#50]
Let's throw some actual math out here.
The motors in the pic in the OP aren't recognizable to me, but I can ballpark it based on a few things. The battery straps they're using look to be sized for 6S batteries. When building a 5" freestyle FPV quad, I'd go with ~1800KV motors if I were running 6S. Obviously that's not optimized for payload, but that range is super common, and they're likely basing their designs on available components, not efficiency. For some context, the 5" freestyle quad on my desk at the moment is pushing 24V at 70A to four Velox 2207 1950KV motors and rather aggressive 5150 props - I built it to be very fast and nimble, at the cost of endurance. Anyhow, here's the spec sheet for a common 1800KV motor: Click To View Spoiler According to that, assuming you're pushing adequate power to the motor and using 5050 props, you get 1.613kg of thrust from one motor. Multiply by four and you have 6.452 kg of thrust - ~14.2 pounds. Assuming a (rather conservative) estimate of maintaining a 3:1 TWR for adequate maneuverability, you're still looking at being able to lift ~4.73 pounds. Then consider that they don't mind burning those motors up or running their batteries into the ground... there is absolutely no reason to think a typical 6S 5" quad wouldn't be perfectly capable of carrying an RPG warhead. Hell - given that the TWR of the quad on my desk is 11:1 (!!!), I could probably strap one to it and fly it into a fucking Hind mid-air. |
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