[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Can someone school me on armor? (Page 2 of 8)
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Is this the right one from High Com? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/level-iv-plates/products/guardian-4sas-7?variant=361423011 4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. |
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Those guys seem to be the best in the steel plate business. Quoted:
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Cancel that AR500 order and go to Spartan Armor. I ordered their armaply swimmer's cut plates last weekend and it arrived yesterday. Those guys seem to be the best in the steel plate business. I just got a set myself, for the money and weight, best steel plates going IMO |
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It appears that the shooter was indeed wearing armor. Reports are that an officer was able to score a pistol hit on the shooter while his back was turned, shooter brushed it off, turned around and shot the officer, and finished him off execution style. Quoted:
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Did these shooters have armor? whats the panic here about armor about? It appears that the shooter was indeed wearing armor. Reports are that an officer was able to score a pistol hit on the shooter while his back was turned, shooter brushed it off, turned around and shot the officer, and finished him off execution style. no expert, but yes, that's what it looked like. No clue what pistol DPD issues, but 9/40/45 being slow, the armor did exactly what it was supposed to do. I was surprised he actually had armor, as the media always reports "armor" for chest rig with mags. Firing that round alerted douchebag to his location and finished his life. I'm all for them blowing him to Allah/Malcom X/whatever. |
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Quoted: 4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. Quoted: Quoted: Is this the right one from High Com? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/level-iv-plates/products/guardian-4sas-7?variant=361423011 4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. I think I got mine during their Black Friday sale, shipped, for that price. BOTH plates. Oh shit!!! Just checked my account and it turns out they were only $180 shipped!!!!  |
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The affordable Highcom stuff isn't noticeably lighter than regular AR500 level 3/ "3+" stuff, and the lightweight AR500 "3+" stuff is probably lighter than the affordable HighCom LV4. I own both.
I would look at the best in AR500 from Spartan Armor/AR500 Armor, because it will probably be lighter and provide roughly the same amount of protection now that coatings for steel have been sorted out and tested. The "3+" designation isn't a blanket NIJ standard, but it does have certifications for performance for threats under a certain velocity - and they often stop threats beyond their certified velocity ratings. That puts the best steel armor as capable of stopping pretty much all common rifle threats. Some on this forum argue that steel manufacturers can't possibly produce repeatability in performance across numerous production runs because of the nature of steel manufacturing, and therefore don't trust the steel armor products to perform up to their claims. There's really not much arguing that. However at this point there's a LOT of anecdotal testing that shows steel armor stopping a lot of threats and even outperforming its own manufacturer's claims. But, if you want tried and true NIJ LV4 protection, HighCom Guardian 4SAS7 is tough to beat. |
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Has anyone heard of Bulletproof it armor?..http://www.bulletproof-it.com/
I picked up a couple of their large level 4 plates awhile back. They seem very well made. I got the 4400 series. They are based out of Washington state, and were making the rounds at gunshows for awhile, but have not seen anything lately. Would also like recommendations on plate carriers as well, Don't care about price/ Eta: just looked at the website and noticed the price on the level 4 plates at 200. |
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4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. Quoted:
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Is this the right one from High Com? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/level-iv-plates/products/guardian-4sas-7?variant=361423011 4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. Why are the 10x12 4SAS7 plates so much cheaper in the package with the carrier than they are individually? |
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Why are the 10x12 4SAS7 plates so much cheaper in the package with the carrier than they are individually? Quoted:
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Is this the right one from High Com? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/level-iv-plates/products/guardian-4sas-7?variant=361423011 4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. Why are the 10x12 4SAS7 plates so much cheaper in the package with the carrier than they are individually? Are the 10"x12 plates a good size? That link shows an 11x14 size |
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Is this the right one from High Com? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/level-iv-plates/products/guardian-4sas-7?variant=361423011 4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. Why are the 10x12 4SAS7 plates so much cheaper in the package with the carrier than they are individually? Link to the package? |
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Is this the right one from High Com? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/level-iv-plates/products/guardian-4sas-7?variant=361423011 4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. Why are the 10x12 4SAS7 plates so much cheaper in the package with the carrier than they are individually? Are the 10"x12 plates a good size? That link shows an 11x14 size No idea, this is the first time I have explored armor. You can select the 10x12 plates which are an option in their package deal: http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/plates/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417958468 |
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Is this the right one from High Com? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/level-iv-plates/products/guardian-4sas-7?variant=361423011 4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. Why are the 10x12 4SAS7 plates so much cheaper in the package with the carrier than they are individually? Link to the package? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/plates/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417958468 You have to choose the 4SAS7 plates from the dropdown. |
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http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/plates/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417958468 You have to choose the 4SAS7 plates from the dropdown. Quoted:
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Why are the 10x12 4SAS7 plates so much cheaper in the package with the carrier than they are individually? Link to the package? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/plates/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417958468 You have to choose the 4SAS7 plates from the dropdown. I don't know, but that package is a great deal at $310. The plates alone would be $318 without any discounts and the plate carrier they include is listed $119. $119 for a US made PC is a great deal, although I haven't read anything about that carrier other than the all positive reviews on their website. I don't understand how the plates + carrier is cheaper than the plates alone, especially since it isn't a foreign made carrier, but if I was needing plates and a carrier I would FO like a MoFo on that. |
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Is this the right one from High Com? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/level-iv-plates/products/guardian-4sas-7?variant=361423011 4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. I'm seeing every stat except weight. Any idea what these weigh? |
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I'm seeing every stat except weight. Any idea what these weigh? Quoted:
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Is this the right one from High Com? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/level-iv-plates/products/guardian-4sas-7?variant=361423011 4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. I'm seeing every stat except weight. Any idea what these weigh? 
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Is this the right one from High Com? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/level-iv-plates/products/guardian-4sas-7?variant=361423011 4SAS7s have performed well on The Chopping Block and The Wound Channel videos. I'm seeing every stat except weight. Any idea what these weigh? http://img.ctrlv.in/img/16/07/08/57800b83dc296.png Cool! Thanks! I was afraid they'd be about the same weight as AR500 plates. 
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I'm embarrassed that I haven't already purchased it. Is the AR500 stuff good? I'd want a carrier and plates. Not a huge budget but would prefer something quality. You full upper body coverage like SWAT guys? That vest weighs a ton. If you want full upper body coverage for pistol rounds, the kevlar is pretty light but doesn't breath. It's like wearing a down winter vest in a sauna when its hot outside. |
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You full upper body coverage like SWAT guys? That vest weighs a ton. If you want full upper body coverage for pistol rounds, the kevlar is pretty light but doesn't breath. It's like wearing a down winter vest in a sauna when its hot outside. Quoted:
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I'm embarrassed that I haven't already purchased it. Is the AR500 stuff good? I'd want a carrier and plates. Not a huge budget but would prefer something quality. You full upper body coverage like SWAT guys? That vest weighs a ton. If you want full upper body coverage for pistol rounds, the kevlar is pretty light but doesn't breath. It's like wearing a down winter vest in a sauna when its hot outside. If ~8lbs/plate + a carrier is "a ton" to you, you should be worrying about other things shortening your life before a bullet does. |
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So would this kit be a good one with the 4sas7 plates?
http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/plates/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417959236 |
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So would this kit be a good one with the 4sas7 plates? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/plates/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417959236 Yes. Even if that plate carrier isn't what you're going for, it is $8 less than buying the plates alone. If you want a Pig Brig or Banshee or 6094 or whatever you can easily sell that carrier for $50-75 on the EE and put the money toward a different PC. There may be some discount codes out there for Highcom right now that would make that kit even a better deal. |
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Yes. Even if that plate carrier isn't what you're going for, it is $8 less than buying the plates alone. If you want a Pig Brig or Banshee or 6094 or whatever you can easily sell that carrier for $50-75 on the EE and put the money toward a different PC. There may be some discount codes out there for Highcom right now that would make that kit even a better deal. Quoted:
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So would this kit be a good one with the 4sas7 plates? http://highcomsecurity.com/collections/plates/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417959236 Yes. Even if that plate carrier isn't what you're going for, it is $8 less than buying the plates alone. If you want a Pig Brig or Banshee or 6094 or whatever you can easily sell that carrier for $50-75 on the EE and put the money toward a different PC. There may be some discount codes out there for Highcom right now that would make that kit even a better deal. Damn I just tried 3 codes and nothing haha |
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I have some experience with both steel and ceramics. Definite preference for ceramic armor because of the weight. You can feel a big difference between the Multi-curve shooters cut level IV plate from Highcomm and the level III plate from CATI. Steel plates by themselves weigh you down pretty good, add in a bunch of spare mags, first aid, and maybe water. You likely won't be able to move around very long or very well if you are wearing steel armor and a bunch of other gear. The ceramic plates I have worn feel much more manageable.
That isn't to say steel armor is a bad option. It's great in terms of price. Probably the best option for a back up/ loaner set of plates or if you were buying multiple sets. The weight wouldn't be as much of a problem if you were not moving around very much like in a defensive position. |
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Bulletproofme has level 3+ AR680 lightweight stand-alone plates for $145.
They work fine against 7.62x39, .308, and 5.56; both M855 and M193. Listed as stopping M193 at 78' from a full-length barrel. Says 3200 FPS, so I'm guessing they mean a 16" barrel. 7.2 pounds, half-inch thick, coated for spall. Offered in multiple sizes, including SAPI cut. They'll stop multiple hits, though I recommend using a soft armor backer when running steel plates. They also have stand alone level 4 ceramic plates at around $140 per for standard, along with more expensive lightweight options. ETA: For plate carrier, I highly recommend the AWS Operators' Choice. |
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Hey guys, figured this was relevant... DSG has the T3 Banshee plate carrier on sale right now for 190.
DSG T3 Banshee plate carrier |
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Whats the latest tier 1 soft armor? I have a PC setup but don't have something IIIA that I can wear concealed. $1k would be the budget. $1k will go a very long way. Thinness and arial density level (comfort) is where your money will go if you're talking IIIA armor. I like kevlar woven material over the laminates like spectra or dyneema. |
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Just because it seems relevant, per FB:
In light of recent events, Midwest has decided to extend the time that our 15% discount code MIDWEST15 remains active. Our hearts and are prayers with the families of the fallen. To everyone, stay frosty but most of all, stay safe. http://www.midwestarmor.com |
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I just bought this on High Com. 310 bucks, level 4 plates and basic carrier
http://highcomsecurity.com/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417958468 |
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I just bought this on High Com. 310 bucks, level 4 plates and basic carrier http://highcomsecurity.com/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417958468 That looks like a good deal but I'm not to sure about all the info they want? |
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Just because it seems relevant, per FB: In light of recent events, Midwest has decided to extend the time that our 15% discount code MIDWEST15 remains active. Our hearts and are prayers with the families of the fallen. To everyone, stay frosty but most of all, stay safe. http://www.midwestarmor.com I need some plate backers and $100 for a set isn't too bad but shipping is $26. Now I need a few more drinks to decide.
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That looks like a good deal but I'm not to sure about all the info they want? Quoted:
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I just bought this on High Com. 310 bucks, level 4 plates and basic carrier http://highcomsecurity.com/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417958468 That looks like a good deal but I'm not to sure about all the info they want? Copy of passport? I think they have to keep records since they sell to the government due to the export restrictions. At least that's how I understand it. Want to make sure you are a US citizen. Seems reasonable enough to protect their business. |
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Any recommended brands? I liked US Armor when I had one, KDH is good, Point Blank, etc. Lots of price points, mainly based on what I described before and the materials used. Straight kevlar will be least expensive and heaviest by a bit, but I trust Kevlar more than anything else. All are good, IIIA is IIIA no matter how you slice it. Also ask yourself, do I really need a IIIA? A Level II should suffice for everyday needs, and it will be more comfortable than a IIIA. |
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If you shop sales, you can generally get ceramic level 4 plates for not a whole lot more than steel. I bought mine from Highcom Security during a special for 125 a piece. I think they retail for 150 or so. DSG just sent out an email selling a set of steel/titanium for $200. As far as plate carriers go, there are many good quality plate carriers that are not that expensive. 100-150 should get you a perfectly functional plate carrier. I got mine from Tyr Tactical on sale for 125. It has really nice padding. I wore it all day long for two days in a carbine course, and it wasn't too horrendously bad. Steel is even heavier than the cheaper ceramic plates. |
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Hey guys, figured this was relevant... DSG has the T3 Banshee plate carrier on sale right now for 190. DSG T3 Banshee plate carrier T3 makes some great gear |
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Hey guys, figured this was relevant... DSG has the T3 Banshee plate carrier on sale right now for 190. DSG T3 Banshee plate carrier I don't like that they are still selling Team Wendy Gear |
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I just bought this on High Com. 310 bucks, level 4 plates and basic carrier http://highcomsecurity.com/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417958468 I want that setup but I'm looking for a coupon code |
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Copy of passport? I think they have to keep records since they sell to the government due to the export restrictions. At least that's how I understand it. Want to make sure you are a US citizen. Seems reasonable enough to protect their business. Quoted:
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I just bought this on High Com. 310 bucks, level 4 plates and basic carrier http://highcomsecurity.com/products/personal-defense-kit?variant=19417958468 That looks like a good deal but I'm not to sure about all the info they want? Copy of passport? I think they have to keep records since they sell to the government due to the export restrictions. At least that's how I understand it. Want to make sure you are a US citizen. Seems reasonable enough to protect their business. I don't even have a passport |
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Friends don't let friends buy steel armor. I agree. Highcom 4sas7 is a good plate, as long as you understand it is smaller than 10x12, even though they call it 10x12. Also, they will demand credentials to keep on file. Midwest Proguard IV is a good plate and is 10x12 actual and zero hassle with purchases. BulletProofMe has good options as well, with minimal hassle. Stay away from steel (just my two cents - not trying to stir any shit). |