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Posted: 8/1/2002 12:58:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: That politician is right. There should be a 5 cent tax. I support that 100% and will be voting in favor of it. I wonder when school starts again in the fall, if our BOG will have something else to do with his time. As always, time will tell. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 1:03:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: I wonder if there's going to be border check points between here and Nevada? There already is -- to check for the importation of fruit. Now they'll ask if you have out-of-state fruit and bullets. he he If this thing passes how many here would like to form a Nevada business to set up a roadside ammunition store on the 15 near state line - Whiskey Pete's lot makes the most sense to me. We'd make millions... AFAIK, out of state businesses are not responsible for collecting CA taxes. Therefore, I suspect you could still order ammo from out of state. If not, open a mail box at MBE in Reno and use that as your drop point. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 1:05:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: This [b]MUST[/b] die in committee. If it goes on the November ballot, it's a done deal. California voters never met a tax hike they didn't like, especially tax hikes that punish politically incorrect activity, i.e. smokers, SUVs, gun owners, etc. Or bond measures. The other day I was reading an article in the local paper about how Californians are griping about new taxes, yet pass every bloody bond measure presented to them and then wonder why taxes are so high. Morons! |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 1:16:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: That politician is right. There should be a 5 cent tax. I support that 100% and will be voting in favor of it. We don't let children, or those with grave mental defects such as yourself, vote. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 1:18:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: I lived in Cali my first 25 years, the last 5 I tried my hardest to get out. I sold my house for a song and moved to Las Vegas, when are you people gonna get the hell out?? I know, I know....you don't want to uproot and all that, but look where you live, is it getting any better? How much more are you willing to put up with? What exactly does the state have to do for you to say "Allrighty then, were moving!" FirearmTom1 and I were talking about how unbelieveable it is that you can't buy an AR-15 without committing about 100 felonies, it is soooooo nice to be able to go to a gun show here or in AZ and buy ANYTHING I want, MOVE GODDAMMIT!! Don't give that fucking state another red cent of tax to keep screwing you over. You live in one of the highest taxed states in the nation and nothing goes your way, keep paying them to keep bending you over, it sure is nice over here, just one state over. [:D] The biggest issue is jobs, especially tech. If you're a techie, you are sometimes limited as to where you can live. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 4:52:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: That politician is right. There should be a 5 cent tax. I support that 100% and will be voting in favor of it. Your right, with this tax the state of CA will be sooooooo much safer! Maybe we could get a bill in adding 5 cents a mile tax on our cars so nobody will speed? yea that will work!![rolleyes] You need to be woken up with a bitch slap! |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:02:24 AM EDT
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One has to understand an angle of stupidity of this proposed bill. This is that most ammo I shoot (and probably true for other AR15.com readers) is surplus with headstamps of 10 years in the past. It will most likely take 10 years before it can be universally enforced. Darn hard to prove that the FNM-81 I have in my garage is subject to the tax.
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:16:58 AM EDT
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stator,
Like all the other ridiculous Caliban gun laws, there will never be any effort to universally enforce it against individuals. The only systematic enforcement will be at collecting the tax from legitimate retailers. The sporting goods stores and even Wal-Mart will be our friends on this one. Look deep into the code and you'll see that it would impose absurd record-keeping requirements on them, and would require them to PAY THE TAX ON UNSOLD INVENTORY. This puppy will never hunt. It needs to be mercifully drowned before its eyes open. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 8:16:59 AM EDT
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"FISCAL IMPACT
...This measure will likely generate tens of millions of dollars...anticipate a minimum of $20 million annually... Specifically, in 2001 there were over 354,000 handguns purchased in California. ...DOJ has approved the sale of approximately 8.5 million handguns. ...if each gunowner purchased just 1 box of 50-bullets per gun, this measure would generate more than $21 million...." /rant-on To line the pockets of some socialists /rant-off Does this mean they want everyone to arm themselves? |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 10:14:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Does this mean they want everyone to arm themselves? Nah it just means they need more money to luanch investigative committees to find out how they can disarm people. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 11:51:03 AM EDT
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I know what you guys are up against. I live in Maryland where they tried this tax several months ago. Ours was going to be 5 cents per round unless it was hollow point rounds where they wanted [b]$5.00 per round [/b]. The talk was to include reloading supplies. Fortunately the bill did not make it out of the committee. That doesn't mean it will not come back.
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Posted: 8/1/2002 12:09:59 PM EDT
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If this passes, forget about reloading suppleis in CA, as the text of the bill specifies tax on assembled ammunition or its components.
That's $.05 per assembled round or $.05 per primer $.05 per case $.05 per bullet $.05 for powder (by grain? by load per cartridge?) so a minimum of $.20 per reload. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 2:26:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: That politician is right. There should be a 5 cent tax. I support that 100% and will be voting in favor of it. I think we all hope your joking. Heres a little history about tax's and whats behind taxation. [i][b]"The question was never the immediate amount of taxation that the British were asking of the colonists. The question was whether the British had the right to do it at all. We're talking about people [the American colonists] with enormous sensitivity to the dangers of power. If you conceded the right to Parliament to tax and if there was no check on it, no limit, it could go on indefinitely. You could be bled white. The power to tax was the power to destroy."[/i][/b] This is an image from the historical source. [img]http://www.pbs.org/ktca/liberty/images/tarfeather.jpg[/img] Unfair taxation with underlying "freedom grabbing" intentions will always be frowned upon by freedom loving americans. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 5:19:04 PM EDT
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It won't impose absurd recording keeping otherwise gas stations would suffer the same fate. The excise tax portion of the code is for PRK residents who buy mail order and bring in from out of state retailers. It simply requires those residents to remit $.05 per round to the franchise tax board. The hidden catch here is that you are required to pay the sales tax as well. So one better account for the $.05 per round excise tax and the appropriate sales tax on top. Otherwise, the franchise tax board will come after that person for tax evasion.
I should point out that the Federal courts struck down California's attempt to collect taxes from out-of-state mail order companies. Nothing more. Therefore, the law now says that the CA resident who ordered and received the product/service must pay the sales tax. This is legal but I say f|_|ck that. In short, the retailer tax will be easily enforced but not the excise portion until headstamps are dated 2003 and later. And, if you sell or give a 20-round box to a buddy at the range, he will have to pay the $.05 per round as it is an excise tax not a sales tax. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 8:06:33 PM EDT
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Why don't all you real people just get the hell out of that commie paradise? Then they would only have the Hollywood types to redistribute income to the illegal aliens. Just imagine. A state with 300,000 gang bangers, 10,000 rich liberal assholes, 200,000 sissy boys and 20 million illegal aliens. Oh, I forgot, one asshole who wants to put a 5 cent tax on each bullet.
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Posted: 8/5/2002 1:56:57 AM EDT
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FYI : [url]www.RKBA.org/antis/hci-master[/url]Allege 1993 feinstein/hci master plan
PRETEXT for TOTAL Gun Confiscation Dis-Armament [size=1] * Taxes on ammo, Dealers licenses & guns to offset the medical costs to society. This cost is not unreasonable, since it would offset considerably the _estimated $60 Billion dollars in medical and social costs related to gun violence._ If a gun enthusiast feels that he needs such firepower, it is not unreasonable to require him to provide the money necessary to offset the cost to society of such firepower. Ultimately such action would take the glamour and attraction out of firearms ownership and decrease the numbers of gun owners in the U.S. _to a [b]manageable number._[/b] [/size=1] They are [b]On Schedule.[/b] ^[size=1] [url]www.cures-not-wars.org/[/url] Truth Will Liberate Earth. [url]www.RKBA.org/antis/hci-master[/url]Allege 1993 feinstein/hci master plan PRETEXT for TOTAL Gun Confiscation Dis-Armament. [url]http://www.DigitalAngel.net/[/url]Revelation 13:18 ID-GPS-MONEY Human Implant Micro-chip Never Again, Never Forget Seek the Truth , Liberate Your Mind We Are At WAR [/size=1] FIXED BAYONETS VX |
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Posted: 8/6/2002 7:10:45 AM EDT
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For reloading componets I understand that the tax is on the primer $50 tax on a box of 1000 primers.
I'm already looking for investors for the store I'm going to set up at Whiskey Petes. I figure that normal size magazines would be big sellers too. |
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Posted: 8/6/2002 7:40:55 AM EDT
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There was a new status added to the bill on the 5th...
Joint Rule 61(b) suspended. Anyone know what that means? |
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Posted: 8/6/2002 11:04:38 AM EDT
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Joint Rule 61(b) defines deadlines for submissions of bills to various committees. Waiving the rule is no doubt tantamount to jamming it up our asses.
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Posted: 8/7/2002 9:07:35 AM EDT
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If you look at the history of the bill, on the same day (8/5), there's this entry:
Aug. 5 Set, first hearing. Hearing canceled at the request of author. Is Perata feeling the heat? |
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Posted: 8/7/2002 9:56:22 AM EDT
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We may have won another one folks.
[url]http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/3884195p-4909954c.html[/url] |
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Posted: 8/7/2002 11:41:57 AM EDT
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BTT and a big THANKS for those that wrote in!
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Posted: 8/7/2002 12:00:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: We may have won another one folks. [url]http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/3884195p-4909954c.html[/url] Don't go out celebrating just yet. Our friend Don P, pulled the bill because of other pressing matters concerning other bills before the legislature, which adjourds at the end of the month. Look for the bill to re-appearing at another in the future. Probably the $21 million income is probably chump change compared to the billions that they are short in the budget. |
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Posted: 8/7/2002 12:07:35 PM EDT
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Hey they had a good idea, but it would be better to tax polititions and CEO/CFOs for all the corruption in their respective carreers.
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Posted: 8/7/2002 1:00:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: Don't go out celebrating just yet. Our friend Don P, pulled the bill because of other pressing matters concerning other bills before the legislature, which adjourds at the end of the month. Look for the bill to re-appearing at another in the future... "...other pressing matters concerning other bills..." That's leftspeak for "...it didn't have enough support to pass..." My understanding is that the bill was withdrawn, not shelved. If they think it could pass they generally shelve it until the next session, not withdraw it. But I agree with you that it will be back next year, so keep your eyes and ears open. |
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Posted: 8/7/2002 1:30:57 PM EDT
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No. We see the error in our ways. Your side has won.
No need to pay attention to our activities anymore. Go on about your bidness. We won't try to pass any more sensible gun laws again. Don't worry. Go back to your wife beating and minority repressing. tweedledee ho hum bum bah dum.... |
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Posted: 8/7/2002 2:09:01 PM EDT
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Congrats boys. But don't give those Native American costumes to goodwill just yet, these guys are like playing Whack-a-mole.
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Posted: 8/7/2002 3:25:39 PM EDT
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We didn't win anything. At least, not like the .50 ban where we clearly won. Here's another link:
[url]www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2002/08/07/state1906EDT0183.DTL[/url] ...His and other gun control groups supported the concept of the bill, but are generally focused on a second Perata bill, which has an Assembly counterpart by Assemblyman Paul Koretz, D-West Hollywood. Those bills would strip gun manufacturers' and sellers' liability waiver in civil damages lawsuits, and are expected to be called for floor votes in the next two weeks. This bill is much more dangerous. If passed, it could mean the end of gun sales in CA. Think about it. What gun manufacturer would do business in CA knowing he could lose his ass at the whim of an uninformed jury? |
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Posted: 8/8/2002 8:08:31 PM EDT
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WOO
FUCKING HOO!! =D |
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Posted: 8/8/2002 8:13:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: No. We see the error in our ways. Your side has won. No need to pay attention to our activities anymore. Go on about your bidness. We won't try to pass any more sensible gun laws again. Don't worry. Go back to your wife beating and minority repressing. tweedledee ho hum bum bah dum.... La...hoo...zer |
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