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Link Posted: 9/19/2017 5:22:02 PM EDT
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EXCLUSIVE: The Forensicator On Guccifer 2.0’s “Clinton Foundation” Files


Follow link much more information there.

https://disobedientmedia.com/2017/09/exclusive-the-forensicator-on-guccifer-2-0s-clinton-foundation-files/


September 19, 2017 Elizabeth Vos

Disobedient Media provided the first media coverage of the findings of the independent analyst known as the Forensicator. The Forensicator’s work and our coverage of their analysis was cited by Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) in their memorandum to President Trump questioning Russian hacking allegations. The Forensicator’s groundbreaking analysis, the VIPS memorandum, and the immense work of Adam Carter have been instrumental in forcing legacy press and establishment figures to face a fundamental lack of evidence supporting Russian hacking claims.

The Forensicator‘s latest analysis was sparked in part by twitter user Stephen McIntyre’s observation regarding the so-called “Clinton Foundation” (cf.7z) file. The alleged Clinton Foundation information is separate from NGP-VAN data, though both were published by the Guccifer 2.0 persona.

The Forensicator’s report illustrated the time stamps used in their latest analysis of the “Clinton Foundation” files:
Image credit: The Forensicator. Used With Permission.

The Forensicator prefaced their discussion of the latest findings with Disobedient Media by emphasizing that Guccifer 2.0’s use of the title “Clinton Foundation” was potentially misleading. They noted that despite the title, the file may not have actually come from a “hack” of the Clinton Foundation. When the Forensicator analyzed the files attributed to The Clinton Foundation, they confirmed that some were dated 7/5/2016; those files fit into gaps in the previously analyzed NGP/VAN data.

McIntyre’s tweets pointed out an observable time zone difference of an hour between the NGP-VAN files and the purported Clinton Foundation files. The Forensicator explained that the latest available information raised questions as to whether one person or multiple individuals were responsible for copying the files published by Guccifer 2.0. They stated that the available evidence is not sufficient to draw a strong conclusion on that issue.

The Forensicator addressed the time zone issue in his latest findings:
Image credit: The Forensicator. Used With Permission.

The Forensicator additionally told Disobedient Media that in their earlier analysis of the NGP-VAN data, a copying event at a later date had raised questions as to the number of  “team members” involved. The Forensicator told Disobedient Media that the the data in the “Clinton Foundation” disclosure introduces new content that has time stamps which fit into the NGP/VAN timeline. This observation supports their conclusion that both the NGP/VAN files and the Clinton Foundation files were selected from a larger group of files dated 2016-07-05.

The Forensicator further explained to us that these new files either fit into gaps previously observed in their analysis of the NGP/VAN files, or preceded them by just one minute. This, they said, strengthens their earlier analysis of the NGP-VAN meta data, and suggests that the “Clinton Foundation” files was pulled from a much larger set of data, then curated.

The Forensicator also emphasized that “the entire cf.7z archive has two second granularity,” indicating that the Clinton Foundation files were copied to a FAT-based media (most likely a thumb drive) before the final 7zip file was built. They added that the files appear to have been copied to a Windows PC before the final 7zip was constructed.



Additionally, the Forensicator concluded that the presence of “last mod times” that are only accurate to 2 seconds, makes it impossible to estimate transfer speeds. In contrast, they said, most of the NGP/VAN files had “sub microsecond time resolution,” which made it possible to estimate transfer speed with some confidence.

The Forensicator explained that the Clinton Foundation files had many internal time gaps that the NGP/VAN files did not, adding that the time gaps suggested that one directory in that archive was built from documents originating in multiple other directories. The Forensicator emphasized that the Clinton Foundation files (dated July 5, 2016) appear to have been carefeully selected.

It is important to note that the Forensicator’s findings indicate that the one hour difference between the files in the Clinton Foundation collection and the NGP/VAN collection is partially explained by a first initial copy to a FAT-based media – most likely a thumb drive – while Central time zone settings were in force.

The device was then transported to a system where Eastern time zone settings were in force and the final 7zip file was built there. The Forensicator said clearly that they are unable to speculate as to the identity or motivation of the individual who copied the files in the Central time zone.

It is a testament to the work of the Forensicator that they analyzed the available evidence from Guccifer 2.0 without working towards a biased or preconceived outcome. The newest report raises questions as to how many people were involved with copying these files. However, if The Forensicator’s work is proven to be correct, it corroborates their earlier findings regarding the NGP/VAN files, which fundamentally question the Russian hacking narrative.
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Link Posted: 9/19/2017 5:23:33 PM EDT
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I'm saying Trump is not Manafort..... Trump made up good sounding lies about HIS wires being tapped.
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So you are saying Manafort is a foreigner? Or that Obama DOJ just don't care about the rules?
I'm saying Trump is not Manafort..... Trump made up good sounding lies about HIS wires being tapped.
The FISA warrant was originally submitted with Trump's name on it. Denied in summer '16. Resubmitted in Oct/ Nov absent Trump's name on it, but apparently, Manafort was the catalyst for the 2nd FISA application (that was approved). After they'd dropped the first IC surveillance on Manafort back in 2014/ 2015 for lack of evidence.

Trump lived in Trump Tower. The FISA warrant allows all and any communication/ video recording to be accumulated in Trump Tower with regard to Manafort. The 3 degrees of Paul Manafort thingy allowed by FISA/ IC collection of other people in communication with Manafort and whoever they communicate with. Get it? Political chicanery by the Obama justice department. And his National Security advisor.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 5:24:30 PM EDT
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That is FISA you are describing then, not Patriot Act.  Totally two different legislatures.   FISA predates Patriot Act by decades.
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Not when they are being investigated for international crime.

not just intl terrorism..

iintl crime.
That is FISA you are describing then, not Patriot Act.  Totally two different legislatures.   FISA predates Patriot Act by decades.
Somebody tore out some pages. Or crayon scribbling.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 5:24:37 PM EDT
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Oh i have.....Patriot Act allows NSA to spy only on people that are foreigners, not US citizens. Only metadata can be collected on US citizens.
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Link Posted: 9/19/2017 5:25:36 PM EDT
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The FISA warrant was originally submitted with Trump's name on it. Denied in summer '16. Resubmitted in Oct/ Nov absent Trump's name on it, but apparently, Manafort was the catalyst for the 2nd FISA application (that was approved). After they'd dropped the first IC surveillance on Manafort back in 2014/ 2015 for lack of evidence.

Trump lived in Trump Tower. The FISA warrant allows all and any communication/ video recording to be accumulated in Trump Tower with regard to Manafort. The 3 degrees of Paul Manafort thingy allowed by FISA/ IC collection of other people in communication with Manafort and whoever they communicate with. Get it? Political chicanery by the Obama justice department. And his National Security advisor.
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Ah,  finally someone gets it.   As I've been saying. You don't have to get the order on primary target ( although that's preferred). If you can get PC on someone close then do it,  then wait till they talk to primary and tada!
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 5:26:59 PM EDT
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Manafort was suspected of being an "agent of a foreign government."

Per all of our discussions this year on this topic, that was how they were able to collect.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 5:27:44 PM EDT
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Serious question,  how do you know this didn't happen? Please state reasons you believe Trump wasn't included in this at some point.
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Serious question,  how do you know this didn't happen? Please state reasons you believe Trump wasn't included in this at some point.
Because Trump own DOJ already stated so?



The Department of Justice said in a court filing Friday it has no evidence that former President Obama ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower, despite President Trump’s assertions.

“Both the FBI and NSD confirm that they have no records related to wiretaps as described the March 4, 2017 tweets,” the DOJ wrote in the court filing, obtained by Fox News.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/02/doj-no-evidence-trump-tower-was-wiretapped.html
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 5:29:30 PM EDT
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The FISA warrant was originally submitted with Trump's name on it. Denied in summer '16. Resubmitted in Oct/ Nov absent Trump's name on it, but apparently, Manafort was the catalyst for the 2nd FISA application (that was approved). After they'd dropped the first IC surveillance on Manafort back in 2014/ 2015 for lack of evidence.

Trump lived in Trump Tower. The FISA warrant allows all and any communication/ video recording to be accumulated in Trump Tower with regard to Manafort. The 3 degrees of Paul Manafort thingy allowed by FISA/ IC collection of other people in communication with Manafort and whoever they communicate with. Get it? Political chicanery by the Obama justice department. And his National Security advisor.
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lol cite your sources of these claims....
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 5:30:55 PM EDT
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Remember when Killery was possibly notified of the then Candidate Trump wiretap, and she made a bunch of tweets, and then she deleted them? The Internet does...

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Because Trump own DOJ already stated so?



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/02/doj-no-evidence-trump-tower-was-wiretapped.html
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Lol,  ok listen.  I understand how that would read to someone unfamiliar with how the feds talk about investigations,  but read it again,  VERY carefully.

Eta: ok I can't help it,  ill translate:

Obama didn't directly order it and the records are not being kept by FBI or NSD yup,  no wiggle room there
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Lol,  ok listen.  I understand how that would read to someone unfamiliar with how the feds talk about investigations,  but read it again,  VERY carefully.
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Because Trump own DOJ already stated so?



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/02/doj-no-evidence-trump-tower-was-wiretapped.html
Lol,  ok listen.  I understand how that would read to someone unfamiliar with how the feds talk about investigations,  but read it again,  VERY carefully.
Hell he can't even read the Patriot Act.
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Lol,  ok listen.  I understand how that would read to someone unfamiliar with how the feds talk about investigations,  but read it again,  VERY carefully.
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haaaa ok Trumps own DOJ would try to cover up for Obama after Trump makes bold allegation....GOT IT!
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 5:36:54 PM EDT
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Manafort was suspected of being an "agent of a foreign government."

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In the age when voting for Trump Makes you a NAZI, Speaking French probably makes a person a foreign agent.


I rest my case




http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/19/dem-senator-suggests-russia-to-blame-for-dreamers-protesting-pelosi-video/
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haaaa ok Trumps own DOJ would try to cover up for Obama after Trump makes bold allegation....GOT IT!
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Have you been watching the news at all the last 6 months? People in this government have been "resisting" Trump the entire way to the point of releasing full transcripts of classified conversations. Damn dude,  I know Trumps not your guy but wake the fuck up
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Hell he can't even read the Patriot Act.
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Yeah I'm just letting that one go, he's been corrected by several posters by now.  
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Have you been watching the news at all the last 6 months? People in this government have been "resisting" Trump the entire way to the point of releasing full transcripts of classified conversations. Damn dude,  I know Trumps not your guy but wake the fuck up
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yeees they are all against him, including his own DOJ appointees tasked with proving him correct........
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yeees they are all against him, including his own DOJ appointees tasked with proving him correct........
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As I said in my edit: that statement says in fed speak,  "Obama didn't order it": why didn't they say no record of anyone ordering it?

"FBI and NSD don't have the records": instead of no record of this exists.  

See the difference?
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lol cite your sources of these claims....
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The FISA warrant was originally submitted with Trump's name on it. Denied in summer '16. Resubmitted in Oct/ Nov absent Trump's name on it, but apparently, Manafort was the catalyst for the 2nd FISA application (that was approved). After they'd dropped the first IC surveillance on Manafort back in 2014/ 2015 for lack of evidence.

Trump lived in Trump Tower. The FISA warrant allows all and any communication/ video recording to be accumulated in Trump Tower with regard to Manafort. The 3 degrees of Paul Manafort thingy allowed by FISA/ IC collection of other people in communication with Manafort and whoever they communicate with. Get it? Political chicanery by the Obama justice department. And his National Security advisor.
lol cite your sources of these claims....
Specifically? Want to list the items you question?
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 6:04:05 PM EDT
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haaaa ok Trumps own DOJ would try to cover up for Obama after Trump makes bold allegation....GOT IT!
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Lol,  ok listen.  I understand how that would read to someone unfamiliar with how the feds talk about investigations,  but read it again,  VERY carefully.
haaaa ok Trumps own DOJ would try to cover up for Obama after Trump makes bold allegation....GOT IT!
Sally Yates?
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 6:04:20 PM EDT
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As I said in my edit: that statement says in fed speak,  "Obama didn't order it": why didn't they say no record of anyone ordering it?

"FBI and NSD don't have the records": instead of no record of this exists.  

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LOL you seem not to be aware what roles NSD plays.....all while insisting that Trump's own DOJ is covering for the ex-boss (Obama) by lying to current boss (Trump) that employed them.  You live, breath and eat cognitive bias.

It's time to admit a defeat once the man's own admin is forced to admit that they have nothing to support the man's fairytales.....
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Sally Yates?
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She was not his appointee. She was just acting AG (Obama's appointee) while Sessions was waiting for Senate confirmation.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 6:12:12 PM EDT
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CNN's still right.  Obama did not physically enter Trump Tower and attaching listening devices to Trump's communications equipment himself.
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It appears that you desperately need some straws to grasp.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 6:13:24 PM EDT
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so how is this not watergate? whose going to jail?
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It appears that you desperately need some straws to grasp.
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CNN's still right.  Obama did not physically enter Trump Tower and attaching listening devices to Trump's communications equipment himself.
It appears that you desperately need some straws to grasp.
He was just preempting the never Trumpers.

This time.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 6:26:19 PM EDT
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She was not his appointee. She was just acting AG (Obama's appointee) while Sessions was waiting for Senate confirmation.
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Sally Yates?
She was not his appointee. She was just acting AG (Obama's appointee) while Sessions was waiting for Senate confirmation.
But the whole of the DOJ infiltrated with big state Leftists. They are Leftists. That think just like her. A career DOJer. Trump is an outsider.


since you were none specific with which things you doubted in the previous post and asked for links, here they are...



Obama's wiretaps?

President Obama's own Defense Deputy admits Obama White House spied on candidate/ President-Elect Trump


The Big If: What crimes could Obama be potentially charged with?

Yes, There Could Be Serious Legal Problems if Obama Admin Involved in Illegal Surveillance

Barack Obama's team secretly disclosed years of illegal NSA searches spying on Americans |


MetaPhone: The NSA Three-Hop

Section 702: What It Is & How It Works


DOCUMENTS CONFIRM HOW THE NSA'S SURVEILLANCE PROCEDURES THREATEN AMERICANS' PRIVACY
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 6:38:48 PM EDT
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Judicial Watch FOIA Emails Show Hillary Invited Vladimir Putin to Clinton Foundation Gala (gatewaypundit.com)link



SURPRISE! Judicial Watch Emails Show Hillary Invited Vladimir Putin to Clinton Foundation Gala
by Cristina Laila



Shocking emails obtained by conservative watchdog group, Judicial Watch show that Hillary Clinton invited Vladimir Putin to a Clinton Foundation gala back in 2009.

Just a couple months into Hillary Clinton’s term as Secretary of State, the Clinton Foundation invited Vladimir Putin and other leaders to the Clinton Global Initiative’s 2009 annual gathering.

The email containing the list of leaders who were invited was forwarded in March of 2009 from the Director of Foreign Policy of the Clinton Foundation Amitabh Desai to former Assistant Secretary of State Andrew Shapiro. Shapiro then forwarded it to Hillary’s foreign policy advisor Jake Sullivan showing a conflict of interest between the Clinton Foundation and the federal government.

Hillary Clinton was also seeking to ‘reset’ relations with Russia at this time. Remember that cheap plastic ‘reset’ button she handed the Russian Foreign Minister that actually said ‘overcharged’? What a disaster!



SURPRISE! Judicial Watch Emails Show Hillary Invited Vladimir Putin to Clinton Foundation Gala
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Shocking emails obtained by conservative watchdog group, Judicial Watch show that Hillary Clinton invited Vladimir Putin to a Clinton Foundation gala back in 2009.

Just a couple months into Hillary Clinton’s term as Secretary of State, the Clinton Foundation invited Vladimir Putin and other leaders to the Clinton Global Initiative’s 2009 annual gathering.

The email containing the list of leaders who were invited was forwarded in March of 2009 from the Director of Foreign Policy of the Clinton Foundation Amitabh Desai to former Assistant Secretary of State Andrew Shapiro. Shapiro then forwarded it to Hillary’s foreign policy advisor Jake Sullivan showing a conflict of interest between the Clinton Foundation and the federal government.

Hillary Clinton was also seeking to ‘reset’ relations with Russia at this time. Remember that cheap plastic ‘reset’ button she handed the Russian Foreign Minister that actually said ‘overcharged’? What a disaster!

What about Hillary’s Uranium deal with Russia? Nearly 20% of the U.S.’s Uranium assets were sold to Russia while Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State in exchange for $150 million to the Clinton Foundation.

Bill Clinton also gave a speech to the Russia-based Renaissance Capital in Moscow on June 29, 2010.

Bill Clinton spoke in Moscow for one hour for half a million dollars. (Breitbart)
But the media has pushed a Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy theory for almost a year with zero proof.

Hillary Clinton used this projection technique on her opponent by acting like she was ‘anti-Putin’ and ‘anti-Russia’ while claiming Trump was somehow colluding with them.

Hillary Clinton was good friends with the Russians and Vladimir Putin until she no longer saw a way to profit off of them financially. She then turned them into the ‘boogie man’ in order to blame her loss on something and delegitimize President Trump.

What a truly sick woman. Thank God she lost the election. We really dodged a bullet.
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Link Posted: 9/19/2017 7:07:38 PM EDT
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Statement from Paul Manafort's legal counsel in response to alleged FISA warrant!

Link Posted: 9/19/2017 7:15:45 PM EDT
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Manafort Calls On DOJ To Release His Intercepted Communications With Foreigners (dailycaller.com)

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/19/manafort-calls-on-doj-to-release-his-intercepted-communications-with-foreigners/

Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort is calling on the Justice Department to release transcripts of any intercepted communications he may have had with foreigners.

Manafort, a longtime Republican political consultant, also called on the Justice Department’s inspector general to investigate the leak of details of secret surveillance warrants obtained by U.S. investigators.

“Mr. Manafort requests that the Department of Justice release any intercepts involving him and any non-Americans so interested parties can come to the same conclusion as the DOJ — there is nothing there,” Manafort spokesman Jason Maloni said in a statement.

On Monday, CNN reported that investigators obtained a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant against Manafort prior to the presidential election. The wiretapping continued into early this year, according to CNN’s unnamed sources. (RELATED: Feds Wiretapped Paul Manafort Before And After The Election)

It is unclear whether the warrant was obtained before or after Manafort left the Trump campaign in August. According to CNN, the surveillance on Manafort, who has a residence in Trump Tower in New York, picked up conversations he had with Russian operatives about the election.

That was the second FISA warrant obtained by investigators against Manafort. The FBI also conducted surveillance on the longtime Republican operative during a 2014 investigation into his consulting work for a Ukrainian political party. That surveillance reportedly ended without charges being followed prior to Manafort joining the Trump campaign last May.

Manafort is currently at the center of a sprawling investigation being conducted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

That probe began as an inquiry into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian government, but Mueller appears lately to have focused on Manafort’s business dealings. Mueller conducted an early-morning raid on Manafort’s Virginia residence at the end of July. The New York Times reported on Monday that Mueller, a former FBI director, told Manafort that he will be indicted.

Whether or not Manafort committed a crime — and he has not been charged with anything — the leak of information about FISA warrants is a federal crime, Maloni noted in his statement.

“If true, it is a felony to reveal the existence of a FISA warrant, regardless of the fact that no charges ever emerged,” Maloni said.

Information about FISA warrants is classified and tightly held by government officials and the federal judges that approve them. Unauthorized disclosures of FISA information is also a felony.

At a House Intelligence Committee hearing in March, then-FBI Director James Comey testified that the leak of FISA information is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

In his statement, Maloni called on the Justice Department’s watchdog to “immediately” open an investigation into the leak and to “examine the motivations behind the previous Administration’s effort to surveil a political opponent.”

Trump’s Justice Department has recently ramped up its efforts to get to the bottom of a spate of classified leaks. Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein are overseeing the effort, which includes a task force involving FBI agents.

The Justice Department did not respond to a request for comment about the Manafort leak.
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LOL you seem not to be aware what roles NSD plays.....all while insisting that Trump's own DOJ is covering for the ex-boss (Obama) by lying to current boss (Trump) that employed them.  You live, breath and eat cognitive bias.

It's time to admit a defeat once the man's own admin is forced to admit that they have nothing to support the man's fairytales.....
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Admit defeat?  "Trump will never be president" -pgaplayerless
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Any of you think the FBI, CIA, NSA or congress are going to admit to violating the 4th amendment?

Republicans are actively covering this up. There are maybe 5 members of congress trying to get to the truth out there and the rest are stabbing them in the back and contradicting their statements.
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We need a prison just for politicians.
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Mike Huckabee: Manafort Wiretap 'Frightening'! (newsmax.com)http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/wiretap-mike-huckabee-paul-manafort/2017/09/19/id/814522/
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We need a prison rope just for politicians.
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Fixed...
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+1, thumbs up, all day long.

I'm aghast that anyone, anyone at all that calls themselves an American can't see this for what it is. If this path is left unpunished, there will be such abuse of this it will be biblical.
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Too big to jail. 


I hope someone grows some nads and addresses this. 
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Also for the record, Patriot Act allows NSA to spy only on people that are foreigners, not US citizens.
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Ho Lee Phuc, Are you:

1. A paid mercenary CTR shill

2. A deluded leftist zealot CTR volunteer shill, or

3. An NSA employee that actually believes that you are doing God's work?

Wow, I can't believe anybody other than Clapper could actually bring themselves to type such farcical lie.
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so how is this not watergate? whose going to jail?
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It's a good deal worse than that. Stay tuned.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/paul-manafort-surveillance-during-2016-campaign/

Long before the special counsel began investigating Russian meddling in the U.S. election -- and whether anyone in the Trump campaign was involved -- Paul Manafort was the target of an FBI investigation. It included electronic surveillance of the one-time Trump campaign chairman.

CBS News has learned that the surveillance on Manafort occurred during the 2016 presidential campaign.

According to a former U.S. official, the intercepts picked up conversations between Manafort and Russian individuals about the campaign. The intercepts potentially include conversations between Manafort and President Trump.
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Long before the special counsel began investigating Russian meddling in the U.S. election -- and whether anyone in the Trump campaign was involved -- Paul Manafort was the target of an FBI investigation. It included electronic surveillance of the one-time Trump campaign chairman.

CBS News has learned that the surveillance on Manafort occurred during the 2016 presidential campaign.

According to a former U.S. official, the intercepts picked up conversations between Manafort and Russian individuals about the campaign. The intercepts potentially include conversations between Manafort and President Trump.
i am surprised you would post that..

But you did forget the part where the investigation was dropped months before the FISC issuance, and then restarted when Alexandria Chilupa got the war torn/desperate/Soros Installed Ukrainian government to create false evidence( False by that countries governments own admission).


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-27/ukraine-says-there-s-no-evidence-of-illicit-payments-to-manafort


Ukrainian prosecutors said they’d found no proof of illicit payments to U.S. President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager from his work for the party of the nation’s ousted leader.

Anti-corruption investigators in the ex-Soviet republic said last year that they’d found ledgers showing $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments between 2007 and 2012 earmarked for Paul Manafort from Viktor Yanukovych’s Party of Regions. But a probe uncovered no evidence, chief anti-graft prosecutor Nazar Kholodnytskyi told Ukrainian television.

“There were no Manafort signatures on any page of this ledger,” he said late Monday.

The news follows last week’s visit by Ukrainian leader Petro Poroshenko to Washington, where he met Trump in the White House. Manafort, who’d previously advised the Party of Regions and helped Yanukovych become president, denies any wrongdoing with regard to his activities in Ukraine.


Watch Next: Remember Paul Manafort? Well, He's Back
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i am surprised you would post that..

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Long before the special counsel began investigating Russian meddling in the U.S. election -- and whether anyone in the Trump campaign was involved -- Paul Manafort was the target of an FBI investigation. It included electronic surveillance of the one-time Trump campaign chairman.

CBS News has learned that the surveillance on Manafort occurred during the 2016 presidential campaign.

According to a former U.S. official, the intercepts picked up conversations between Manafort and Russian individuals about the campaign. The intercepts potentially include conversations between Manafort and President Trump.
i am surprised you would post that..

But you did forget the part where the investigation was dropped months before the FISC issuance, and then restarted when Alexandria Chilupa got the war torn/desperate/Soros Installed Ukrainian government to create false evidence( False by that countries governments own admission).
It's always enjoyable when you go off on your infowars/rt tangents.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 10:36:00 PM EDT
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Long before the special counsel began investigating Russian meddling in the U.S. election -- and whether anyone in the Trump campaign was involved -- Paul Manafort was the target of an FBI investigation. It included electronic surveillance of the one-time Trump campaign chairman.

CBS News has learned that the surveillance on Manafort occurred during the 2016 presidential campaign.

According to a former U.S. official, the intercepts picked up conversations between Manafort and Russian individuals about the campaign. The intercepts potentially include conversations between Manafort and President Trump.
i am surprised you would post that..

But you did forget the part where the investigation was dropped months before the FISC issuance, and then restarted when Alexandria Chilupa got the war torn/desperate/Soros Installed Ukrainian government to create false evidence( False by that countries governments own admission).
It's always enjoyable when you go off on your infowars/rt tangents.
Bloomberg is infowars now in Nevertrumplandia?

Your timeline must be awesome.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 10:41:19 PM EDT
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Bloomberg is infowars now in Nevertrumplandia?

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Long before the special counsel began investigating Russian meddling in the U.S. election -- and whether anyone in the Trump campaign was involved -- Paul Manafort was the target of an FBI investigation. It included electronic surveillance of the one-time Trump campaign chairman.

CBS News has learned that the surveillance on Manafort occurred during the 2016 presidential campaign.

According to a former U.S. official, the intercepts picked up conversations between Manafort and Russian individuals about the campaign. The intercepts potentially include conversations between Manafort and President Trump.
i am surprised you would post that..

But you did forget the part where the investigation was dropped months before the FISC issuance, and then restarted when Alexandria Chilupa got the war torn/desperate/Soros Installed Ukrainian government to create false evidence( False by that countries governments own admission).
It's always enjoyable when you go off on your infowars/rt tangents.
Bloomberg is infowars now in Nevertrumplandia?

Your timeline must be awesome.


Not really sure why Manafort would have to sign off on that ledger, but hey whatever I guess.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 10:41:29 PM EDT
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It's a good deal worse than that. Stay tuned.
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so how is this not watergate? whose going to jail?
It's a good deal worse than that. Stay tuned.
LOL.

You actually believe your busted crystal ball will someday defy the odds and be right?

In all recorded history few have been so consistently wrong yet so eager to prognosticate.

You truly have a gift.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 10:47:38 PM EDT
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so how is this not watergate? whose going to jail?
It's a good deal worse than that. Stay tuned.
Are you enjoying watching the country get torn apart ?

Why no outcry about possible violations by Dems?

I see way more probable cause to go after Clinton, Lynch, Rice, DWS et al.

Will you be happy if the Trump goes to jail? His family and every one around him destroyed or bankrupted trying to defend themselves in FISA court ?

You should read up on the staff getting dragged into this witch hunt. Not wealthy or powerful people either.




I'm seeing extra Constitutional bullshit every where the last 20 yrs. It angers and scares me at the same time.


I don't know you. But I dont like you.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 10:51:14 PM EDT
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Are you enjoying watching the country get torn apart ?

Why no outcry about possible violations by Dems?

I see way more probable cause to go after Clinton, Lynch, Rice, DWS et al.

Will you be happy if the Trump goes to jail? His family and every one around him destroyed or bankrupted trying to defend themselves in FISA court ?

You should read up on the staff getting dragged into this witch hunt. Not wealthy or powerful people either.




I'm seeing extra Constitutional bullshit every where the last 20 yrs. It angers and scares me at the same time.


I don't know you. But I dont like you.
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They seriously are. The unhinged NOVA people I know IRL are some of the most disgusting and unreasonable people I have ever met. Up until this election season they were alright, just a bit smug and closed minded. I just don't even discuss politics with them, they are absolutely deranged.


ETA: If you want to know where your 'deep state' comes from its people like this from NOVA/DC that have no issues using whatever power/ability they have to advance their agenda. They get their 'marching orders' from the MSM/neoliberal hive mind and just operate semi independently.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 10:53:26 PM EDT
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So in addition to proving braying #NeverTrumpers wrong yet again, once again Clapper is on record lying. Not under oath this time, so I suppose that's progress?
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 10:59:37 PM EDT
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No record of obama ordering it

I did not have sexual relations with that woman

Sexual relations

Obama ordered

Zero in on these two technicalities
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Not really sure why Manafort would have to sign off on that ledger, but hey whatever I guess.
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Long before the special counsel began investigating Russian meddling in the U.S. election -- and whether anyone in the Trump campaign was involved -- Paul Manafort was the target of an FBI investigation. It included electronic surveillance of the one-time Trump campaign chairman.

CBS News has learned that the surveillance on Manafort occurred during the 2016 presidential campaign.

According to a former U.S. official, the intercepts picked up conversations between Manafort and Russian individuals about the campaign. The intercepts potentially include conversations between Manafort and President Trump.
i am surprised you would post that..

But you did forget the part where the investigation was dropped months before the FISC issuance, and then restarted when Alexandria Chilupa got the war torn/desperate/Soros Installed Ukrainian government to create false evidence( False by that countries governments own admission).
It's always enjoyable when you go off on your infowars/rt tangents.
Bloomberg is infowars now in Nevertrumplandia?

Your timeline must be awesome.
https://imgv2-1-f.scribdassets.com/img/document/346376283/original/120332edd4/1498299587

Not really sure why Manafort would have to sign off on that ledger, but hey whatever I guess.
You are only [Dr.Evil-Pinky-To-Lip-Thing]TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS[/Dr.Evil-Pinky-To-Lip-Thing ] short Mr. Secret.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 11:12:01 PM EDT
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You are only [Dr.Evil-Pinky-To-Lip-Thing]TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS[/Dr.Evil-Pinky-To-Lip-Thing ] short Mr. Secret.
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Long before the special counsel began investigating Russian meddling in the U.S. election -- and whether anyone in the Trump campaign was involved -- Paul Manafort was the target of an FBI investigation. It included electronic surveillance of the one-time Trump campaign chairman.

CBS News has learned that the surveillance on Manafort occurred during the 2016 presidential campaign.

According to a former U.S. official, the intercepts picked up conversations between Manafort and Russian individuals about the campaign. The intercepts potentially include conversations between Manafort and President Trump.
i am surprised you would post that..

But you did forget the part where the investigation was dropped months before the FISC issuance, and then restarted when Alexandria Chilupa got the war torn/desperate/Soros Installed Ukrainian government to create false evidence( False by that countries governments own admission).
It's always enjoyable when you go off on your infowars/rt tangents.
Bloomberg is infowars now in Nevertrumplandia?

Your timeline must be awesome.
https://imgv2-1-f.scribdassets.com/img/document/346376283/original/120332edd4/1498299587

Not really sure why Manafort would have to sign off on that ledger, but hey whatever I guess.
You are only [Dr.Evil-Pinky-To-Lip-Thing]TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS[/Dr.Evil-Pinky-To-Lip-Thing ] short Mr. Secret.
Some can be bought out cheaper than others.

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all day long-24/7  haven't looked at the Crim  Statute,but Mannafort will be wanting to "make a deal" in hopes of a downward departure for substantial assistance.
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