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Posted: 1/27/2002 3:41:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Swinestein raf, "Swinestein" ?? [:D] A somewhat less-than-affectionate name for Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-CA. BTW, are you a present/former submariner? I'll bet either I or my G/F helped build one or more of your boats. |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 3:51:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: No, Stubbs. Smith and Wesson sold their SOUL. Read the agreement. That was a complete sellout. Bill Ruger made a mistake, admitted it, and has tried to atone for it, but perfect people just can't forgive. You must be joking. Forgive? Scroll up and read the quotes for the Ruger-Brokaw interview again. You and I are simple civilians, that can't handle a 30 round mag and a folding stock. We are a danger to society. Congress should pass a law prohibiting us cerebrally challenged people from owning these guns. Congress did. Ohhh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean all that. I really do support the constitution in all its aspects. You gunowners are great. Blah blah blah blah. |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 4:08:48 PM EDT
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No disputing Ruger's errors here. He [i]was[/i] naive. Times have changed and, seeing where Ruger is spending their money fighting [b]our[/b] fight, so has Ruger.
Seeing as some dislike Ruger so much, then how many millions can you all contribute to replace his donations to the legal battles? After all, since some of you say he's no damn good, then so's his money. Please pledge your millions here: Seems like some want it both ways: Ruger: Bad. Ruger's legal defense money: Good. Ruger still bad. |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 4:29:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: No disputing Ruger's errors here. He [i]was[/i] naive. Times have changed and, seeing where Ruger is spending their money fighting [b]our[/b] fight, so has Ruger. Seeing as some dislike Ruger so much, then how many millions can you all contribute to replace his donations to the legal battles? After all, since some of you say he's no damn good, then so's his money. Please pledge your millions here: Seems like some want it both ways: Ruger: Bad. Ruger's legal defense money: Good. Ruger still bad. His money [i]is[/i] good. Any money for the cause is good. If Al Gore wants to contribute money...that's great. If Fineswine wants to contribute...that's also great. What B. Ruger did to the cause....[i]is still bad[/i]. |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 4:40:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: No disputing Ruger's errors here. He [i]was[/i] naive. Times have changed and, seeing where Ruger is spending their money fighting [b]our[/b] fight, so has Ruger. Seeing as some dislike Ruger so much, then how many millions can you all contribute to replace his donations to the legal battles? After all, since some of you say he's no damn good, then so's his money. Please pledge your millions here: Seems like some want it both ways: Ruger: Bad. Ruger's legal defense money: Good. Ruger still bad. His money [i]is[/i] good. Any money for the cause is good. If Al Gore wants to contribute money...that's great. If Fineswine wants to contribute...that's also great. What B. Ruger did to the cause....[i]is still bad[/i]. You are correct, sir. What Ruger [i]did[/i] was bad. What he is [i]doing[/i] is good. A lesson we all can learn: Never forget the past, and never live in it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 4:47:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Swinestein raf, "Swinestein" ?? [:D] A somewhat less-than-affectionate name for Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-CA. BTW, are you a present/former submariner? I'll bet either I or my G/F helped build one or more of your boats. raf, former. I rode three "Electric Boat Company, Groton subs and one that I picked up in new construction at Mare Island. The Sargo was the fifth but I can't remember who did the building. (Got the Swine-stein - with apologies to all swine and Jews) [:D] |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 4:50:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Swinestein raf, "Swinestein" ?? [:D] A somewhat less-than-affectionate name for Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-CA. BTW, are you a present/former submariner? I'll bet either I or my G/F helped build one or more of your boats. raf, former. I rode three "Electric Boat Company, Groton subs and one that I picked up in new construction at Mare Island. The Sargo was the fifth but I can't remember who did the building. (Got the Swine-stein - with apologies to all swine and Jews) [:D] Hull numbers, please. I [i]knew[/i] it. BTW, the unofficial EB motto was/is: "We guarantee the boats will submerge." [:D] |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 4:55:31 PM EDT
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I switched over to Ruger after the S&W BS.....BIG MISTAKE. Purchased 3 NEW revolvers
GP100, Super Blackhawk, and a RedHawk befor the NY crime bill went into effect on 3/1/01. 2 of the 3 had to get sent back to mother Ruger. Their QC as bart simpson said "sucks and blows" The blachhawk had a .010 deep counterbore around the fireing pin hole causing the primer to backout locking up the cylinder. Had to pound out a loaded cylinder. [:(!] The Redhawk had bad endshake causing the cylinder to contact the barrel along with the ring notches being off .020. Called customer service and the guy said no problem send them back. Had to argue with the guy to get them to sent me a prepaid mailing label for each of them. I aint spending $80 to next day air....2 f'n new handguns! Got them back 2 months later.....and promply traded all of them for a new V-match. Ruger can kiss my [moon] . You have been warned!!!! |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 5:07:00 PM EDT
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I'm sorry about your problems. Nobody ought to have to deal with shoddy workmanship like that.
Did Ruger satisfactorally repair your firearms? And, no offense, how does this unfortunate incident pertain to the topic? I won't make light of your problem by noting that had not Ruger had to spend a fortune in defending our common rights, perhaps they could have paid more attention to QC. Incidentally, most rental gunranges report that Ruger pistols hold up far better than virtually any other make. Again, I regret your unfortunate experience. |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 5:10:03 PM EDT
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Can someone post a credible excerpt from Bill's apology or statement of his repentance?
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Posted: 1/27/2002 5:14:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Can someone post a credible excerpt from Bill's apology or statement of his repentance? No, Ruger isn't much of a public kind of guy. Some exceptions have noted above, when he screwed up before Congress. However, Money talks, too. Follow Ruger's donations and contributions to the battle against the Antis, and consider where our rights would be without them. |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 5:22:40 PM EDT
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Sleepy-time now. I'll check in on this thread tomorow. 'Bye.
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Posted: 1/27/2002 5:29:48 PM EDT
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[b]A little while ago, some threads here bashed Bill Ruger unmercifully for his actions of the past. These actions were seen as sellouts to the antis, and as totally self-serving.[/b]
I was pointing out some serious QC issues with Ruger to folks that might be "on the fence" regarding a ruger purchase (sellouts or not). I'm not bashing ruger for their actions of the past......but their actions right now. |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 7:15:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: [b]A little while ago, some threads here bashed Bill Ruger unmercifully for his actions of the past. These actions were seen as sellouts to the antis, and as totally self-serving.[/b] I was pointing out some serious QC issues with Ruger to folks that might be "on the fence" regarding a ruger purchase (sellouts or not). I'm not bashing ruger for their actions of the past......but their actions right now. |
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Posted: 1/27/2002 11:12:48 PM EDT
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If Ruger wishes to make right on his "mistake", then maybe he should consider using his clout to help in the efforts to reverse or amend this absured provision that limits mag capacity to 10 and prohibits configuation based on the most dangerous apachures of a firearm ie, bayonet lug, pistol grip, mag or mag well that protrudes conspicuiously from beneath the weapon, and of course the deadliest of all, the evil, sinister flash hider. I know of dozens that have been killed by flash hiders. Hell, we should even ban the language. HAHA
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Posted: 1/28/2002 5:48:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Can someone post a credible excerpt from Bill's apology or statement of his repentance? No, Ruger isn't much of a public kind of guy. Some exceptions have noted above, when he screwed up before Congress. Ah. I see. [rolleyes] |
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Posted: 1/28/2002 9:18:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: BTW, are you a present/former submariner? I'll bet either I or my G/F helped build one or more of your boats. Shouldn't your handly end with a [b]T[/b] then? As in raft. [8D] |
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Posted: 1/28/2002 9:28:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can someone post a credible excerpt from Bill's apology or statement of his repentance? No, Ruger isn't much of a public kind of guy. Some exceptions have noted above, when he screwed up before Congress. Ah. I see. [rolleyes] Please read the remainder of my statement that you excluded in [i]your[/i] quote. Maybe you won't need the rolleyes icon. |
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Posted: 1/28/2002 10:26:45 AM EDT
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i can't say i have owned many rugers. i had a 10/22 that i liked very much, but the words that came out of his mouth shock me.
he will never get a penny from me untill he lobbies for the removal of those same laws that he championed, AS LOUDLY AND PUBLICLY OR MORESO than as he championed these draconian "mistakes". when he does this, i will forgive him, but i will never forget. |
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Posted: 1/28/2002 10:28:21 AM EDT
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I guess you are misinterpreting my point.
Let me make it as clear as I can. If he chooses to be vocal, he can. He was vocal about his position regarding trusting regular old law abiding citizens. He has not been vocal about admitting any mistake. I think it's great that he contributes to the NRA and other RKBA movements, but until he's man enough to publicly admit that he was wrong he's not worth the sweat of my ass to me. Fuck me once, shame on you. Fuck me twice, shame on me. Edited to add that until he apologizes publicly and admits his mistakes, he not only is a traitor but a huge, ignorant hypocrite. |
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Posted: 1/29/2002 12:30:24 AM EDT
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Thanks for all your replies. Clearly, some are never going to forgive Bill Ruger for his errors in the past. That's the way it goes.
This topic was posted to give "the rest of the story", and I can only hope that some will reconsider their views. |
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