If only it was that easy.

Hey something just blew up I'll be back though.

I believe I've already mentioned that I consider myself a conservative, but just for kicks, here's my score on the Quiz 2D Political quiz...







And my answers:



01. cut taxes/size of gov't 70%+



02. absolutely no censorship of the media



03. absolutely no business subsidies, tariffs, etc



04. take all anti-sex laws off the books and legalize prostitution



05. take all firearms laws off the books



06. end the War on Drugs and legalize pot (but not harder stuff)



07. replace public schools with vouchers



08. tighten up border security and deploy the Nat'l Guard if necessary



09. hiring and firing should be purely voluntary activities



10. the draft is sometimes acceptable but get rid of registration



11. get rid of Social Security - period



And on those pesky other issues, I oppose all abortions except in the case of rape/incest/when mommy's gonna die, and support civil unions with all the benefits of marriage but not the name. I also support both wars we are involved in. So I guess you could say I'm a conservative Christian libertarian Republican hawk.

I don't care who agrees with me really, I just wish I didn't have religion shoved in my face.

Its simple, If your decisions and views are logically sound and you came to them by some reasonable thought process, I can respect them, even if I disagree.

If they're based on ancient fairy tales and your conversations with your imaginary friend, I have a hard time taking your seriously as a rational man, let alone giving any credibility to your political stance.

But basically, I just want religion out of politics.  Should be simple, with the whole separation of church and state thing, but I think we both realize that's never going to happen.  

If christianity is good at anything, it's good at keeping itself alive and well funded, generation after generation.

I got into a similar conversation with a coworker. He kept hounding the idea that we are a Christian nation and we are founded by Christians and so on. Then followed that with "look how much God is mentioned in the Constitution". I did not have the heart to tell him that God is mentioned Zero times.

The United States may not be a Christian nation, but it is not a secular nation, either, and is sure as hell not a nation of Islam. I take the view that the US is simply a montage of it's citizens, the majority of whom happen to identify as Christians.
 

My biggest problem is that they allowed themselves to basically have their movement stolen and undermined by the neoconservatives, who ideologically belong on the Left, not the Right; the underpinnings of neoconservatism and conservatism proper are very different, in many ways opposite, in spite of the similarity in their names.  Unfortunately, the neocons have tended to use the conservative label, which of course does no service to conservatives and I think results in people thinking of them mistakenly when condemning conservaties for wanting to take away freedom, being statist, wanting theocracy, and all that other crap.  Little do people in the U.S. realize that outside of the U.S., and even moreso outside of the English speaking world, conservatives would be considered liberals, and I think we all know what the root word of liberal is (in case you don't, it is the latin liber, which is incidentally also the root word for liberty); what many don't seem to realize on top of this is that conservatism in the U.S. actually refers to a specific political philosophy, not simple political conservatism (which some here have associated it with); what conservatism suffered from is a lack of a formal name.  Even libertarians, many of them anyways, are a branch of this political philosophy, which is why they may be found in the conservative movement, and this was actually the source of many intra-movement debates on the direction of conservatism.

I also think people are confused as to what is Left, and what is Right, as evidenced by the fact that many people call fascism, theocracy, autocracy, national socialism, etc. right wing, when this is very much not the case.  In regards to the religious aspect, since people seem to be very focused on this area which leads to all sorts of conclusions being drawn, it should be noted that in many ways, Christianity is at the very core of conservatism as a political philosophy, or at the very least, certain Christian concepts, Christian ethics, and concepts compatible with but not exclusive to Christianity, and certainly influenced by Christian thought.  This is because conservatism basically assumes the mantle of Western Civilization, which is a combination of Judeo-Christian and Classical ideas.  Ideas such as transcendental truths, the existence of a non-material world/existence, the concept of spiritual salvation, natural law, a larger structure of reality, the subordination of this world to a single Creator, etc. are all a part of this, and actually serve, contrary to what seems to be popular belief, as the conservative justification for liberty, just as the liberals predating the classical liberals used such justifications for liberty.  It is when the liberals became more agnostic or relativistic in their outlook, and tried to justify liberty materially, such as via utilitarianism, as the classical liberals did (which failed as justifications for liberty) that liberalism to collapsed, and in the U.S., causing the name of liberalism to be taken by an ideology which is quite illiberal.

YOu've been brainwashed into thinking there are only "two" types of political personalities based on our bullshit two party system.
Our system made sense 200 years ago when the voting was between "White male land owner #1" and "White male land owner #2".
but now that everyone can vote and have totally disparate interests YET the two party system remains and you end up with "alliances" that in reality make no sense. What does the political philosophy of Ayn Rand or William Buckley jr. have to do with Oral Roberts? Nuttin, that's what.

Fuckin Iraqis They just did a control det and didn't tell anyone.

Oh so you and I agree

Excellent post.



 

If you don't care why are you arguing? If you don't care why are you insulting? Who forces you to do anything? If a Christian is pushing his veiws on you why don't you smile at him and tell him he is being a shitty Christain? We aint supposed to force anything, freewill and all.

Good to know. You can never have too many allies in the fight against statism, in whatever form it may take.



 

Thinking that anything criticizing multi-national corporations is criticizing capitalism - when massive corporations aren't operating as capitalist entities.

Free speech is inconvenient  isn't it?

How so? If you mean they are not capitalistic because they take gov't handouts, etc, then I agree, but could you clarify?



 

HA! It's fun taking those tests as somebody "else". Sometimes i will answer those questions as if i am Hitler or Stalin or Jefferson.
I base the answers on what Hitlers actual beliefs and actions were. Heres the result i got––

America is a place of great faith.  I know that. It is blatantly obvious to anyone and it is one of the things that makes us great. This ideal has been usurped by groups seeking to promote their own ideals and religion who wish to justify their imposing their will upon others through disingenuous propagation of mythological origins of this country.

Look at when the "religious founding" argument is used. It is always used as reasoning to justify some sort of law or policy that somehow exemplifies "Religious" ideals. Nevermind if it counter to liberty or freedom.  One of the hangups is that one can, and probably has, managed to use the bible/Koran/whatever to justify about anything.

The particular religious affliliation of America's population should be relatively irrelevant and I can see  that my earlier commentary probably unfairly focused on Christians.  To be fair I generally consider folks who use their faith to belittle others to not be representave of their respective faith and not true Christians.

Hence the phrase "god given rights"... right?



 

Shorthand for "Endowed by their creator".

I do that a lot, too. Here are a few examples...





Obama










McCain










JFK










FDR










My Rep., Darrell Issa (CA-49)










All of these are based on my best knowledge and understanding of these politician's positions on the issues.





 

I always thought Libertarians were crazy pot heads then I took this quiz

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When did I start hangin with Alex Jones

OK;

1. Let's stick to the Constitution as it was intended. Both sides have fucked this up. More on the Left though IMO.

2. Mind your own fucking business.

3. Get rid of the Religious Right.

4. Stop the scare tactics and for once tell US, your ELECTORATES the truth. Take off the kid gloves. We NEED to be told the TRUTH. No matter how deep we are.

I firmly believe that if Republicans got back to their true roots, there would be no need in a 3'rd party candidate -and most Americans with a good head on their shoulders would vote for the right...for I strongly feel that we are a right leaning nation.

I would rather run with a few athiests than a few America hater Liberal "bring it all down man ,because it's a racist oppressor nation " kinda guys anyday.

I'm all for choice (In every little turd world village and South American City & group of jungle huts & Every crossroad in the pampas and every African Girls school in the Savannah and every Casbah and Arab Mega Oil city and every sun drenched Island in the Pacific (With people) and every Asian Capitol ...

Define conservative.  If you include the whole social conservative bullshit, then that.  Wanting to force your opinions and beliefs on others is wrong, pure and simple.

Like forcing our children to accept Homosexuiality and forcing others to accept Forced Diversity & Multiculturailsm and forcing people to suppress their beliefs because they migt make others feel injured in some way ??

That they don't fight as dirty and underhanded as LIEberals

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Weapons





 

Genius post for teh WIN !

That they will not get us back to the constitution....they need veto proof majorities in both the House and Senate and to push thru one huge bill that will repeal all the laws passed in the last hundred years that are not expressly authorized by The Constitution....with some leeway for laws that are in the true spirit of the constitution.

Left leaning & middle left kinda guys are uneasy with the term Weapon I guess ?

The notion that your world view can be simply defined on a left/right scale is stupid. Think of it as economic right/left and authoritarian/libertarian:



I suggest that some of you go take the test at politicalcompass.org

Here is me on that quiz2d one:



They both seem pretty accurate.

A weapon is a type of tool.

Both are equally wrong.

Like a Hand or foot is a weapon ?

Not the same context.  A rifle or a pistol, for example, is built/assembled/crafted for accomplishing a task.  It is not a literal part of your body and was created to increase your capacity to accomplish a task.  You can dig with you hands, but a shovel is a tool created to increase your capacity at that task.  You can carry water in your hand but a bucket is a tool created to increase your capacity to carry water.  You could throw projectiles with your hands but a firearm is a tool created to increase that capacity.

CCW types who advocate a full-bore selfdefense lifestyle, and diss people who don't carry 100% of the time get annoying, especially when they are far more likely to have a heart attack than get mugged.

One of the most blatantly hypocritical things about self-described conservatives is how fiscal conservatism flies out the window when it comes to the Pentagon. I don't see anything conservative about crusading around the world, building nations. That's a Wilsonian Democrat ideology. The first half of the Second Amendment was a very poorly worded attempt to limit standing armies––-funny how conservatives completely ignore that half, about as much as liberals ignore the part about the individual right to keep and bear arms. Never made sense to me why we're building nations in the Middle East, protecting South Korea and Germany's borders, etc., all while our own southern border is a fucking sieve.

The blind loyalty to the GOP gets irritating. When the Dems do something, they're a bunch of fucking commies. When the GOP does the exact same thing, they're just implementing conservative values. The last 8 years of Bush is a good example (drunken spending spree, allowing millions of illegals to cross our border, bailing out the mega-banks, etc.).

Mostly I think the liberal-conservative binary is false. Putting a box around your brain like that is not conducive to rational thought.

Well said, that's about how I feel.

How is your child being forced to accept homosexuality?   Social conservatives want one point of view...theirs.

This thread is ghey.

yep

+1 damn Jesus freaks can be violent.

Indeed. bigstick61, you sound like you've done your homework. It's very much worth pointing out that the original Neoconservatives were Democrats (Scoop Jackson).

And this.

Disagree.

Mine is that we Conservatives have become so pussified over the years, we've utterly lost our spine when it comes to dealing with Libs.

In that time the Libs seem to have found their spines, and our Repub leadership is scrambling to figure out what to do. Neoconservatism hasn't worked, that's for sure.

You can't legislate Compassion.   Democrats seem to think so.

That's part of the many arguments here, though.  Standing up for what a person believes in is looked down on by other "Conservatives" if those beliefs have religious roots.  Taking a stance on a moral issue that has been hijacked by politics results in criticism and voiced desires to kick the "religious right" out of the Republican party.