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"Those people" are lower middle class teachers, police, firefighters, highway workers, and their supporters.  There hasn't been a single arrest of a protester for vandalism or violence.  Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about.

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I don't understand how they can be for large government yet trash the public spaces provided to us by and maintained by the government!?

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"Those people" are lower middle class teachers, police, firefighters, highway workers, and their supporters.  There hasn't been a single arrest of a protester for vandalism or violence.  Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about.

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Were you the drunk guy at Canoecopia who got escorted out of the goods area by the cute blond cop chick?

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And people who agree with that statement ^ are idiotic, crooks, and I may suggest some serious mental help for them.





It's one thing to take away pensions for future jobs.





It's plain wrong and a criminal act to take away the pensions of people who chose lesser paying jobs to better serve the community in light of the benefit of a pension.

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eddiein1984, Is that you? Third from the right?



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No, but I have a good idea of who it might have been.

I met up with about 40-60 people I backpack and paddle with on weekend trips here and there. The whole weekend is a big party. We ended up at dinner at the Brass Ring after the days events. From there, the party went back to the Clarion.
I wish I would have known you would be there. I would have liked to have met you.

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Job security for their friends in another department.

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"Those people" all believe they have a right to dip their hands into the pockets of others.

And there are no arrests because the fine, upstanding police officers of Madison refuse to enforce the law because they 100% support this Marxist uprising.

That bit about shutting the fuck up if you don't know what you're talking about?  Might want to replay it and take heed of your own wisdom.

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Name calling much?

The imoral act was making the promises to those people that were unsustainable.

 

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Where does the money come from?

Those pension "promises", made decades ago by politicians long retired or dead... who should be making good on them?  Why should I pay more in taxes because someone else promised you something a long time ago that they knew you would never get, but they didn't care because they were never going to be on the hook?

If unions think it's so criminal and wrong to "take away pensions", then they should be more than happy to pay more to support that system.

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I found myself way south yesterday less than a mile from the capital at a paddlesports expo my son and I attended. During a break for lunch, we thought we'd go grab a burger and go see the protest.
I give our day a perfect /

It was winding down by the time we got there. Jesse Jackson, I'm sure was well into his second helping of a free lunch somewhere.

We did learn a few things about the protesters though. Let's go through them together, shall we?

1: Although 66% of the protesters stuck to the issue, there was that 33% that was not even close to the issue and seemed to be protesting everything from (of course) Fox News, Blackwater, The republican ties to Al Queda and everything else in between.
http://<a href=http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/46842/2688725700092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />

2: Changing the "F" to a "Ph" on obscene protest signs doesn't really make it right. Especially when thrust into the hands of eight year olds to carry. We saw enough of this.

3: Protesters 4 blocks away screaming obscenities at passing cars full of families with foul signs and others cheering along doesn't much help their cause.
* They really freak out when you yell "Walker for President!" as you drive by.

4: Union people do not want money going towards helping pay for their benefits. However, they have no problems paying dues to the unions so they can have these to drive around in as billboards.
http://<a href=http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/28127/2790799050092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />
And another....
http://<a href=http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/24022/2545601390092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />

5: Bongo beats are only good for getting middle aged earthy chicks to get up out of their sleeping bags on the sidewalk and sway back and forth rhythmically.
(I'll spare you all the pic )

6: Nobody we asked, not one, knew who the Koch brothers are, what their first names are, what businesses they own or how it ties in with the whole budget issue thing. However, there were many signs directing seething hatred telling us they are evil and must be stopped(We had to ask this of the  protesters around us, because we didn't know )
Apparently, neither did they. Not one!

7: As long as you are protesting, it's ok to jump up on a veterans memorial even though the signs say no sitting, and trample it.

8: Apparently, it's cool to carry instruments in a loosely formed band to entertain the masses while marching. However, not one note was played. My son (I love this kid more and more each day) said. "Dad, they are in the unions, they are probably on break!"

http://<a href=http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/45155/2075753300092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />


9: In the liberal mindset, it is perfectly ok to cause this much damage as long as somebody else is paying for it. This was the most graphic example of people who simply do not care about anything but their own agenda. This was absolutely sickening.
http://<a href=http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/13357/2652113050092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />
All four sides were equally as bad, boot sucking mud that was oozing onto the sidewalks. It was about 8 inches deep.
http://<a href=http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/46619/2349438210092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />
The grounds are trashed. There are stickers on every sign, post, sidewalk and every other structure that doesn't move for a block in each direction. this will all have to be cleaned up. The grounds are a total loss and will have to be graded and replanted.
Upon leaving, the trash cans were all full and signs were just thrown down in piles near the trash cans.

It was a strange experience. We would have got better and more pics, but we were getting strange looks for not carrying signs and perhaps dressed too nicely while not having mud all over our shoes.

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They haven't been lesser paying jobs for many years.

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and what union do you belong to?

there are numerous reports of BROKEN WINDOWS, BROKEN LOCKS, VANDALISM, and of course the damage to the granite inside the capitol.

get your facts straight... union scum.

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"Besides their self loathing, they're disrespectful and rude, not to mention hypocritical, and ignoramuses to boot." and that isn't name calling?





Doesn't matter. Promises are promises. Ruining someone's life IS immoral by taking money away that is rightfully theirs. Whatever happen to the "honor" that this site boasts of? People on here get all shitstormed when someone backs out of a little gun deal. Imagine someone backing out of paying you your paycheck.

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And it is another thing to totally lie and say their pensions are being taken away when they will only have to contribute towards them and health care just like everybody else in the country.

There is a budget gap and they don't want to take a modest cut.

The crooks who gave them all that money were fired by the people of Wisconsin.

Now the collectivists don't want to take a cut, but want everyone else in the state have to pay more to support them.




 

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Contributing to them is okay for future employees BUT adding that condition on something that has already been legally established is illegal.

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The law enforcement unions in Madison have made their position perfectly clear. Smash whatever you want, send death threats to the GOP, its all good since the police are expressing 'solidarity' now.

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"Those people" are lower middle class teachers, police, firefighters, highway workers, and their supporters.  There hasn't been a single arrest of a protester for vandalism or violence.  Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about.

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"Those people" are lower middle class teachers, police, firefighters, highway workers, and their supporters.  There hasn't been a single arrest of a protester for vandalism or violence.  Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about.

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I hate having to work in the middle of Madison around all these people. This city is full of liberal pukes who have no idea what they're protesting. I'm convinced that they're sad they missed their chance to be hippies in the 60's and this is their chance to re-live what their worthless hippie parents went through.



I'm proud to be a non-union, public employee who voted for, and strongly supports Governor Walker!

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I found myself way south yesterday less than a mile from the capital at a paddlesports expo my son and I attended. During a break for lunch, we thought we'd go grab a burger and go see the protest.
I give our day a perfect /

It was winding down by the time we got there. Jesse Jackson, I'm sure was well into his second helping of a free lunch somewhere.

We did learn a few things about the protesters though. Let's go through them together, shall we?

1: Although 66% of the protesters stuck to the issue, there was that 33% that was not even close to the issue and seemed to be protesting everything from (of course) Fox News, Blackwater, The republican ties to Al Queda and everything else in between.
http://<a href=http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/46842/2688725700092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />

2: Changing the "F" to a "Ph" on obscene protest signs doesn't really make it right. Especially when thrust into the hands of eight year olds to carry. We saw enough of this.

3: Protesters 4 blocks away screaming obscenities at passing cars full of families with foul signs and others cheering along doesn't much help their cause.
* They really freak out when you yell "Walker for President!" as you drive by.

4: Union people do not want money going towards helping pay for their benefits. However, they have no problems paying dues to the unions so they can have these to drive around in as billboards.
http://<a href=http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/28127/2790799050092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />
And another....
http://<a href=http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/24022/2545601390092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />

5: Bongo beats are only good for getting middle aged earthy chicks to get up out of their sleeping bags on the sidewalk and sway back and forth rhythmically.
(I'll spare you all the pic )

6: Nobody we asked, not one, knew who the Koch brothers are, what their first names are, what businesses they own or how it ties in with the whole budget issue thing. However, there were many signs directing seething hatred telling us they are evil and must be stopped(We had to ask this of the  protesters around us, because we didn't know )
Apparently, neither did they. Not one!

7: As long as you are protesting, it's ok to jump up on a veterans memorial even though the signs say no sitting, and trample it.

8: Apparently, it's cool to carry instruments in a loosely formed band to entertain the masses while marching. However, not one note was played. My son (I love this kid more and more each day) said. "Dad, they are in the unions, they are probably on break!"

http://<a href=http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/45155/2075753300092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />


9: In the liberal mindset, it is perfectly ok to cause this much damage as long as somebody else is paying for it. This was the most graphic example of people who simply do not care about anything but their own agenda. This was absolutely sickening.
http://<a href=http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/13357/2652113050092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />
All four sides were equally as bad, boot sucking mud that was oozing onto the sidewalks. It was about 8 inches deep.
http://<a href=http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/46619/2349438210092840604S600x600Q85.jpg</a>" />
The grounds are trashed. There are stickers on every sign, post, sidewalk and every other structure that doesn't move for a block in each direction. this will all have to be cleaned up. The grounds are a total loss and will have to be graded and replanted.
Upon leaving, the trash cans were all full and signs were just thrown down in piles near the trash cans.

It was a strange experience. We would have got better and more pics, but we were getting strange looks for not carrying signs and perhaps dressed too nicely while not having mud all over our shoes.

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$60,000 a year is not a family figure. Please. You wonder why so many students want to go into the sciences vs. something like becoming a teacher. AND we wonder why teachers are considered not so qualified for their position.

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I live in the downtown area and I have to say that the number of protesters reported by the media is way off, at least at any given time –– there were never more than several thousand at the capitol square at any given time.  There is no way that the capitol square could fit a hundred thousand.  For example, during halloween, state street reaches about 35,000 to 60,000 people at any given time, and it is exactly a mile long.  I should go get some pictures

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"Those people" are lower middle class teachers, police, firefighters, highway workers, and their supporters.  There hasn't been a single arrest of a protester for vandalism or violence.  Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about.

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It's plain wrong and a criminal act to take away the pensions of people who chose lesser paying jobs to better serve the community in light of the benefit of a pension.

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Doesn't matter. Promises are promises. Ruining someone's life IS immoral by taking money away that is rightfully theirs. Whatever happen to the "honor" that this site boasts of? People on here get all shitstormed when someone backs out of a little gun deal. Imagine someone backing out of paying you your paycheck.

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Contributing to them is okay for future employees BUT adding that condition on something that has already been legally established is illegal.

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You sound like a character in the book '1984'.



Lower middle class? Give me a break. WI isn't much different than MI and around here the only time they are lower middle class is when they start.

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And it is a FUN Halloween party! It was way better years ago before they limited the crowd or did they stop doing that?
 

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Well, at least some landscapers will have work this Spring...

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We have seen the enemy, and they are lazy, stinking, disrespectful, useless, worthless, hippies.

Protest for the sake of protesting, how quaint.

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And people who agree with that statement ^ are idiotic, crooks, and I may suggest some serious mental help for them.

It's one thing to take away pensions for future jobs.

It's plain wrong and a criminal act to take away the pensions of people who chose lesser paying jobs to better serve the community in light of the benefit of a pension.

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The topic is not just public employee pensions, and if you were paying attention, you would know that no one is losing their pension in Wisconsin.  What they will lose in regard to pensions, or gain, depending on your perspective, is (to gain) responsibility to contribute to their personal pension funds, instead of robbing the taxpayer.

My point is protestors waving signs around about all sorts of unrelated issues, then acting like a bunch of inconsiderate morons; trashing the grounds and leaving their trash are the most visible signals.  

Peace, brother.

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Doesn't matter. Promises are promises. Ruining someone's life IS immoral by taking money away that is rightfully theirs. Whatever happen to the "honor" that this site boasts of? People on here get all shitstormed when someone backs out of a little gun deal. Imagine someone backing out of paying you your paycheck.