What pisses me off is the news media opened the story with "Good news for a change in Iraq..."  There is a lot of good news, they just choose not to report it.

Quoted: Quoted: NovaGator, what's your connection on this story? Good insights. Please keep us posted.      I respectfully disagree. Jill's people seem to have mounted a PR campaign to mitigate the damage, but I have yet to see any of Novagators IM snippets or similar comments sourced anywhere else.    It is now 24 hours after this story broke and there has been no repudiation of her articulation of terrorist talking points.

Of course they're not sourced elsewhere. I'm the primary source.

They're private IMs with her boss - Cairo bureau chief for the CS monitor - whom I've known since childhood.

When Dan gets back on line, I'll try to clarify some of these issues. The full text of her interview is certainly damning.

Quoted: Jill Carroll Video here……… Note that even after her release, Carroll maintained that she had been treated well by her captors—so it would appear that this journalist for the Christian Science Monitor made these anti-American comments voluntarily. thursday, march 30, 2006 The Mujahideen Interview Jill Carroll UPDATE at 3/30/06 6:04:14 pm: Here’s a full translation of the tape: Insurgents Justify Release of Jill Carroll in Web Tape. Voice in tape: How did the Mujahedeen treat you? Jill Carroll: They treated me very well. They treated me very well, like a guest. I was given very good food, kept very safe, treated very, very well. Voice in tape: Did you think the American Army or the CIA would save you in any time? Carroll: I thought maybe they might. Sometimes I thought that they might come, that they might find me. They might (sic) a way to know where I am and come get me. I did think maybe they might. Voice: Why didn’t they save you? Carroll: Well, I think the Mujahedeen are very smart and even with all the technology and all the people the American Army has here, they still are better at knowing how to live and work here and more clever, despite all the technology of the American Army, still more clever and better at being here than the American Army, still better at what they do. Voice: Does this mean anything? Carroll: I think it makes it very clear, it makes very clear that the Mujahedeen are the ones who will win in the end in this war, I think it makes very clear that even with thousands of troops and airplanes and tanks and guns that that doesn’t mean anything here on the ground in Iraq as it shows over time, maybe how many months over time or however (sic) months are left in the occupation that it’s pretty clear that the Mujahedeen are the ones that will have the victory left at the end of the day. It shows that no matter no matter what Americans try to say is happening here or try to do with all their weapons, they aren’t going to be able to stay here, they’re not going to be able to stop the Mujahedeen and that’s for sure. Voice: What will you tell the American people? Carroll: Well, first of all I want them to be able to understand, I want them to understand the Mujahedeen, truly. There are a lot of lies to come out of the American government, calling the Mujahedeen terrorists and other things and I think it’s important that American people hear from me the Mujahedeen are only trying to defend their country. This is only a jihad to stop an illegal and dangerous and deadly occupation so I think it’s important that people see the Mujahedeen are people that we’ve seen in our entire history resisting an occupation trying to fight a foreign force in their land, it’s their country and they have a right to fight for their own freedom so I want people to understand that it’s not people that like to kill, not people that like violence but people who love their country, people who want to see their country free from an occupation and also I want them to understand that the situation in Iraq in general, how difficult it is here, people don’t have electricity, people don’t have water, children don’t have safe streets to walk in, women and children are always in danger&People are killed left and right on the streets without any reason. People die everyday from the bombings and shootings of the army and all these things. So I think people need to understand in America how difficult life is here for the normal, average Iraqis. That everyday is a matter of survival, life and death for most Iraqis and thousands and thousands and tens of thousands of Iraqis have lost their lives here because of the occupation. I think Americans need to think about that and day to day how difficult life is here, how terrifying it is for most people to live here everyday because of the occupation. Voice: Do you have a message for Mr. Bush? Carroll: (Laughs)Yeah, he needs to stop this war. He knows this war is wrong. He knows that it was illegal from the very beginning. He knows that it was built on a mountain of lies and I think he needs to finally admit that to the American people and make the troops go home and he doesn’t care about his own people. littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=19858_The_Mujahideen_Interview_Jill_Carroll&only

Well, for me, this clears everything up.  I now know exactly where she stands.

Quoted: Quoted: Jill Carroll Video here……… Note that even after her release, Carroll maintained that she had been treated well by her captors—so it would appear that this journalist for the Christian Science Monitor made these anti-American comments voluntarily. thursday, march 30, 2006 The Mujahideen Interview Jill Carroll UPDATE at 3/30/06 6:04:14 pm: (snip) littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=19858_The_Mujahideen_Interview_Jill_Carroll&only Well, for me, this clears everything up.  I now know exactly where she stands.

Don't jump the gun....

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060331/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_carroll;_ylt=AqdkO1FVQ1rP0uR1SfKOmf5vaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Jill Carroll's kidnappers reportedly warned her before her release that she might be killed if she cooperated with the Americans or went to the Green Zone, saying it was infiltrated by insurgents. At first, she was reluctant to go, but a Monitor writer in Baghdad,     Scott Peterson, convinced her it was safe, the newspaper said. The Monitor quoted her family as saying that her kidnappers had warned her against talking to the Americans or going to the Green Zone. They told her it was "infiltrated by the mujahedeen," the newspaper said.

Here's the whole story from Fox
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189884,00.html

Report: Jill Carroll Threatened Before Her Release  
Friday, March 31, 2006

NEW YORK  — Jill Carroll's kidnappers reportedly warned her before her release that she might be killed if she cooperated with the Americans or went to the Green Zone, saying it was infiltrated by insurgents.
The freelance writer for The Christian Science Monitor, who was freed by her captors Thursday and dropped off at a branch office of the Iraqi Islamic Party, was later escorted to the Green Zone by the U.S. military, the newspaper said Friday.
At first, she was reluctant to go, but a Monitor writer in Baghdad, Scott Peterson, convinced her it was safe, the newspaper said.
The Monitor quoted her family as saying that her kidnappers had warned her against talking to the Americans or going to the Green Zone. They told her it was "infiltrated by the mujahedeen," the newspaper said.
Her captors, calling themselves the Revenge Brigades, had demanded the release of all female detainees in Iraq by Feb. 26 and said Carroll would be killed otherwise.
In a video purportedly from her kidnappers that was posted on the Internet, her abductors said Carroll was released because "the American government met some of our demands by releasing some of our women from prison." The video was found on an Islamic Web site where such material has appeared before.
But U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said Thursday there was no connection between the recent release of several female Iraqi detainees and Carroll's freedom.
"No U.S. person entered into any arrangements with anyone. By U.S. person I mean the United States mission," he said.
"What we did before had no connection with Jill Carroll," Khalilzad said. "We still have a few female detainees — four — and that's all I can say on that."
The Monitor's editor, Richard Bergenheim, also said no money had been exchanged for Carroll's release. "We simply know she was dropped off at the Iraqi Islamic Party headquarters," he said.
Carroll, who was kidnapped Jan. 7 in Baghdad, said Thursday she was not harmed by her captors and added that she did not know why she was released.
Also on the Internet video, Carroll is shown answering questions, presumably from her captors, and saying that Iraqi insurgents were "only trying to defend their country ... to stop an illegal and dangerous and deadly occupation."
"So I think people need to understand in America how difficult life is here for the normal, average Iraqis ... how terrifying it is for most people to live here every day because of the occupation," she said on the video.
Bergenheim said Friday that Carroll's parents, who spoke to her about the video, told him it was "conducted under duress."
"What emerged was that they actually started filming this tape the night before and then there was a power outage. Jill had been told the questions, asked to translate them from Arabic into English," he said in a TV interview.
"When you're making a video and having to recite certain things with three men with machine guns standing over you, you're probably going to say exactly what you're told to say," Bergenheim added.
The U.S. Embassy spokeswoman in Baghdad declined to comment on the video, saying all queries regarding Carroll were being handled by her family and the Monitor.
Iraq's Interior Ministry said it had no information regarding Carroll's departure plans, which an Iraqi official said were being handled by the Americans.
Bergenheim said the 28-year-old Carroll is "emotionally fragile" after 82 days in captivity and will begin her journey home as soon as possible.
"Yesterday was way too soon. I think they're investigating whether she could leave today," he said in an interview. "But her family wants to make sure that she's strong enough, emotionally and otherwise, to take this step."


It looks like she was saying what she needed to to live. So instead of being in bed with them, she's just weak. I'd like to think that I would have handled it differently than her, but it's impossible to say for sure when there's AK47s pointed at you.

Quoted: Here's the whole story from Fox www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189884,00.html Report: Jill Carroll Threatened Before Her Release   Friday, March 31, 2006 NEW YORK  — Jill Carroll's kidnappers reportedly warned her before her release that she might be killed if she cooperated with the Americans or went to the Green Zone, saying it was infiltrated by insurgents. -snip- It looks like she was saying what she needed to to live. So instead of being in bed with them, she's just weak. I'd like to think that I would have handled it differently than her, but it's impossible to say for sure when there's AK47s pointed at you.

Bullshit, they're doing damage control. I guarantee she believes what she said, and she didn't say it under duress.

She is a shitbag socialist bitch, just like Rachael Corry. She is on their side.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Jill Carroll Video here……… Note that even after her release, Carroll maintained that she had been treated well by her captors—so it would appear that this journalist for the Christian Science Monitor made these anti-American comments voluntarily. thursday, march 30, 2006 The Mujahideen Interview Jill Carroll UPDATE at 3/30/06 6:04:14 pm: (snip) littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=19858_The_Mujahideen_Interview_Jill_Carroll&only Well, for me, this clears everything up.  I now know exactly where she stands. Don't jump the gun.... news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060331/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_carroll;_ylt=AqdkO1FVQ1rP0uR1SfKOmf5vaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- BAGHDAD, Iraq - Jill Carroll's kidnappers reportedly warned her before her release that she might be killed if she cooperated with the Americans or went to the Green Zone, saying it was infiltrated by insurgents. At first, she was reluctant to go, but a Monitor writer in Baghdad,     Scott Peterson, convinced her it was safe, the newspaper said. The Monitor quoted her family as saying that her kidnappers had warned her against talking to the Americans or going to the Green Zone. They told her it was "infiltrated by the mujahedeen," the newspaper said.

OK, I'll wait a little longer for her to say something really critical of her captors.  If she's still afraid for her life, I'm willing to have a little more patience.

looks like novagator was onto something.....

Yep.

That's how I would wish my daughter to be treated by her 'friends.'

The woman is simply a tramp, another media whore for everyone and everything anti-American.

Eric The(Pitiless)Hun

And you know she was saying it from the heart, no way that was written for her, those monkeys who had her could not write that well. Those were the words of an America hating shitbag journalist....

don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining

Quoted: Quoted: Jill Carroll Video here……… Note that even after her release, Carroll maintained that she had been treated well by her captors—so it would appear that this journalist for the Christian Science Monitor made these anti-American comments voluntarily. thursday, march 30, 2006 The Mujahideen Interview Jill Carroll UPDATE at 3/30/06 6:04:14 pm: Here’s a full translation of the tape: Insurgents Justify Release of Jill Carroll in Web Tape. Voice in tape: How did the Mujahedeen treat you? Jill Carroll: They treated me very well. They treated me very well, like a guest. I was given very good food, kept very safe, treated very, very well. Voice in tape: Did you think the American Army or the CIA would save you in any time? Carroll: I thought maybe they might. Sometimes I thought that they might come, that they might find me. They might (sic) a way to know where I am and come get me. I did think maybe they might. Voice: Why didn’t they save you? Carroll: Well, I think the Mujahedeen are very smart and even with all the technology and all the people the American Army has here, they still are better at knowing how to live and work here and more clever, despite all the technology of the American Army, still more clever and better at being here than the American Army, still better at what they do. Voice: Does this mean anything? Carroll: I think it makes it very clear, it makes very clear that the Mujahedeen are the ones who will win in the end in this war, I think it makes very clear that even with thousands of troops and airplanes and tanks and guns that that doesn’t mean anything here on the ground in Iraq as it shows over time, maybe how many months over time or however (sic) months are left in the occupation that it’s pretty clear that the Mujahedeen are the ones that will have the victory left at the end of the day. It shows that no matter no matter what Americans try to say is happening here or try to do with all their weapons, they aren’t going to be able to stay here, they’re not going to be able to stop the Mujahedeen and that’s for sure. Voice: What will you tell the American people? Carroll: Well, first of all I want them to be able to understand, I want them to understand the Mujahedeen, truly. There are a lot of lies to come out of the American government, calling the Mujahedeen terrorists and other things and I think it’s important that American people hear from me the Mujahedeen are only trying to defend their country. This is only a jihad to stop an illegal and dangerous and deadly occupation so I think it’s important that people see the Mujahedeen are people that we’ve seen in our entire history resisting an occupation trying to fight a foreign force in their land, it’s their country and they have a right to fight for their own freedom so I want people to understand that it’s not people that like to kill, not people that like violence but people who love their country, people who want to see their country free from an occupation and also I want them to understand that the situation in Iraq in general, how difficult it is here, people don’t have electricity, people don’t have water, children don’t have safe streets to walk in, women and children are always in danger&People are killed left and right on the streets without any reason. People die everyday from the bombings and shootings of the army and all these things. So I think people need to understand in America how difficult life is here for the normal, average Iraqis. That everyday is a matter of survival, life and death for most Iraqis and thousands and thousands and tens of thousands of Iraqis have lost their lives here because of the occupation. I think Americans need to think about that and day to day how difficult life is here, how terrifying it is for most people to live here everyday because of the occupation. Voice: Do you have a message for Mr. Bush? Carroll: (Laughs)Yeah, he needs to stop this war. He knows this war is wrong. He knows that it was illegal from the very beginning. He knows that it was built on a mountain of lies and I think he needs to finally admit that to the American people and make the troops go home and he doesn’t care about his own people. littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=19858_The_Mujahideen_Interview_Jill_Carroll&only Well, for me, this clears everything up.  I now know exactly where she stands.

LOL...No you don't!

You people are fucking hilarious!  The woman is STILL terrified.  You would be too!  Give her a few days to FULLY REALIZE that she's out of harm's way and can speak her mind without having her head sawed off and THEN you might be able to appropriately make a judgement one way or the other.

Every stinking one of you would have said whatever they told you to say, but behind your keyboards you are full of piss, vinegar and righteous indignation.  Give it a rest!  

Quoted: Quoted: "When you're making a video and having to recite certain things with three men with machine guns standing over you, you're probably going to say exactly what you're told to say," Bergenheim added. Nope, sorry, not buyng that… US aned UK pilots made simlar statements on video during GWI but they said it with no enthusiasm and a dead pan look in their eyes. YOU KNEW they were saying what they had to to stay alive. Now Ms Carroll's delivery… just a bit too enthusuiastic and she is just a bit TOO elequent in her comments… she was not delivering a present message, she was deilivering a message she believed also… ANdy

Military combatants are specifically trained for such circumstances - not so Miss Carroll.

Quoted: -snip- LOL...No you don't! You people are fucking hilarious!  The woman is STILL terrified.  You would be too!  Give her a few days to FULLY REALIZE that she's out of harm's way and can speak her mind without having her head sawed off and THEN you might be able to appropriately make a judgement one way or the other. Every stinking one of you would have said whatever they told you to say, but behind your keyboards you are full of piss, vinegar and righteous indignation.  Give it a rest!

Ok, maybe you should go back to DU....Her statement was much to eloquent, and exactly what you'd expect to hear from someone aligned with DU who hates America, and the military and wants to see a socialist paradise.

Maybe you're that gullible, but I'm not...decision: She's a shitbag.

She is a traitor.

She deserves nothing.

She sold out.

Selling out without torture is selling out.

I am sure I would admit to being the killer of every iraqi baby if tortured enough....But they gotta get me there.

She did and said all that she did on her own free will. She has yet to say one thing bad about her captors killing her translator.

Maybe that was part of the ransom demands.

I'm willing to entertain the possibility...even probability...that there were extenuating circumstances surrounding those interviews and tapes that we are unaware of.  Give her some time to come out strongly against the terrorists.

However, if she doesn't, I'll hunt her down and saw off her fucking head myself.  Just joking, of course.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "When you're making a video and having to recite certain things with three men with machine guns standing over you, you're probably going to say exactly what you're told to say," Bergenheim added. Nope, sorry, not buyng that… US aned UK pilots made simlar statements on video during GWI but they said it with no enthusiasm and a dead pan look in their eyes. YOU KNEW they were saying what they had to to stay alive. Now Ms Carroll's delivery… just a bit too enthusuiastic and she is just a bit TOO elequent in her comments… she was not delivering a present message, she was deilivering a message she believed also… ANdy Military combatants are specifically trained for such circumstances - not so Miss Carroll. Air Force pilots are not trained in media presentation skills, she is… ANdy

That cuts both ways.  I've seen some presentations by Air Force officers, who happened to be sitting in a conference room with prepared PowerPoint slides and not being held captive by people who were threatening to kill them, that were not very eloquent.

Quoted: Can't WAIT to read the book. Libtard + Stockholm Syndrome + Disdain for the US mission in Iraq and our Military + 15 minutes of fame ought to make for some interesting reading. JDC

that about sums it up. i mean, what kind of terrorist buys new hijabs for his hostage??? i think she WAS kidnapped but i think they found a willing participant in their captive. i noticed over the last several days, a lot of media types have been tap dancing like mofo's about this...kinda makes you wonder what they're trying to deny.

Ha, take a look at this link, and read the petition...

Man what a bunch of fruit loops...god, I hate liberals with an unquenchable firelike hatred....

This one I think needs to remain cold....I tried to "sign" the petition, but I either they read the comments before, or they simply stopped posting them since she is free....

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?freejill

IMHO she is a nut case.  

Her interpreter was shot/killed in front of her.  Terrorists with loaded AK's were holding her against her will for 86 days.  

She says, she wasn't threatened.  What the Hell do you call the same armed terrorists, that killed your interpreter, holding AK's to your head doing?  Showing you how clean the bore is?    


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stockholm syndrome

Quoted: stockholm syndrome

It's not Stockholm Syndrome if you sided with them beforehand.

This girl was forged in the hot iron cauldron of liberal hippie-town Ann Arbor. She's been taught since birth that evil white guys are all conspiring to oppress her. She's lived all her life in fear.

It seems plausible to me that all the kind words she's been heaping on her former captors are false, since she's not really safe until she's back in the U.S.A. I doubt she'll come out with any strong contradiction of her recent statements until this war is long over, her former captors dead and gone, and Jill Carroll needs a new pair of shoes. Book deals await.

She's spouting terrorist propaganda.

Next subject

Here's my buddy's latest article:

www.csmonitor.com/earlyed/earlyWO0331a.html

Jill Carroll forced to make propaganda video as price of freedom

By Dan Murphy | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

CAIRO - The night before journalist Jill Carroll's release, her captors said they had one final demand as the price of her freedom: She would have to make a video praising her captors and attacking the United States, according to Jim Carroll.
In a long phone conversation with his daughter on Friday, Mr. Carroll says that Jill was "under her captor's control."

Ms. Carroll had been their captive for three months and even the smallest details of her life - what she ate and when, what she wore, when she could speak - were at her captors' whim. They had murdered her friend and colleague Allan Enwiya, "she had been taught to fear them," he says. And before making one last video the day before her release, she was told that they had already killed another American hostage.

That video appeared Thursday on a jihadist website that carries videos of beheadings and attacks on American forces. In it, Carroll told her father she felt compelled to make statements strongly critical of President Bush and his policy in Iraq.

Her remarks are now making the rounds of the Internet, attracting heavy criticism from conservative bloggers and commentators.

In fact, Carroll did what many hostage experts and past captives would have urged her to do: Give the men who held the power of life and death over her what they wanted.

"You'll pretty much say anything to stay alive because you expect people will understand these aren't your words," says Micah Garen, a journalist and author who was held captive by a Shiite militia in southern Iraq for 10 days in August 2004. "Words that are coerced are not worth dying over."

Shortly before her release, her captors - who refer to themselves as the Revenge Brigade - also told her they had infiltrated the US diplomatic compound in Baghdad, and she would be killed if she went there or cooperated with the American authorities. It was a threat she took seriously in her first few hours of freedom.

Carroll worked at the Wall Street Journal's Washington office in early 2002 when that paper's reporterDaniel Pearl was abducted and beheaded in Pakistan. "Many of her colleagues knew him and it was very emotional in the office,'' Jill told her father. "She had that memory in the back of her head while she was being threatened."

In making their last video, Mr. Carroll says her captors "obviously wanted maximum propaganda value in the US. After listening to them for three months she already knew exactly what they wanted her to say, so she gave it to them with appropriate acting to make it look convincing."

Jill Carroll will undoubtedly speak for herself once she's had time to recover from her ordeal and spend time with her family. But her friends and colleagues say she made it clear that she's no friend to those who kidnap or harm civilians.

Those who encountered Carroll in a professional context repeatedly praised her fairness and compassion, as demonstrated by some of the thousands of letters the Monitor has received in her support.

"Her professionalism and objectivity were unparalleled within the media community," Capt. Patrick Kerr, a Marine public affairs officer who got to know Carroll last December, when she spent a month with a Marine unit in Western Iraq, said in an e-mail. "I saw her in Husaybah, on the Syrian border, in early December shortly before I returned to the States. Aside from being very personable and down-to-earth, what really struck me was Jill's bravery. She seemed to fit right in with the marines and Iraqi security forces," he wrote in January.

The Monitor's editor, Richard Bergenheim, says that "none of us - except perhaps her personal friends and family - know what Jill's views are about the war in Iraq. But we do know that they did not color her reporting for the Monitor. She covered a wide spectrum of people in Iraq and that is part of what made her reporting valuable."

On the evening of March 29, her captors brought her written questions in Arabic, and asked her to translate them into English for the video. Though they promised her freedom in exchange for cooperating, she didn't believe them, as she'd been promised freedom many times in the past, she told her father.

But that evening, during the first attempt at producing the video, the power went out. They finished up the next morning, shortly before she was dropped off in a Baghdad neighborhood and pointed to the offices of the Iraqi Islamic Party (IIP), which then contacted friends and the US government.

Mr. Garen, who was forced to make a propaganda video by his own captors, says that "I said the US should 'stop the massacre' in Najaf - and they weren't my words, and I felt very uncomfortable saying them," recalls Garen. He says he tried to change some of the text he was fed but "that was very risky."

Garen's book "American Hostage," co-authored with his wife Marie-Helene, recounts his experience, and in the process of researching it he delved into the methods and motives of kidnappers, particularly ones with political agendas. "The point of taking hostages is to get them to make propaganda statements," he says. "The job of a civilian hostage... is to stay alive."

On Thursday, the International Woman's Media Foundation announced that Carroll had won its Courage in Journalism Award. Judy Woodruff of PBS and the Foundation's awards chair wrote: "Her courage and example are an inspiration to us all, especially at a time when journalists are under threat in many parts of the world, and particularly Iraq, for simply trying to cover stories vital for us all to know."

Quoted: Here's my buddy's latest article: www.csmonitor.com/earlyed/earlyWO0331a.html Jill Carroll forced to make propaganda video as price of freedom

NoVaGator, you are wasting your time.  The Peanut Gallery division of the Keyboard Commandos has already condemned her.  Hell, just read some of these guys statements that talk about anal sex, and having consensual sex with her captors.  

People on this board have already condemned her as an enemy, and nothing you, or Jill Carrol can say will change their minds.

Quoted: She hasn't spoken out yet to repudiate her smiling statements from the video as being scripted by her captors and utter falsehoods?

apnews.myway.com/article/20060401/D8GNF0306.html

In a video, recorded before she was freed and posted by her captors on an Islamist Web site, Carroll spoke out against the U.S. military presence. But Carroll said the recording was made under threat. Her editor has said three men were pointing guns at her at the time. "During my last night in captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video. They told me I would be released if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and wanted to go home alive. So I agreed," she said in a statement read by her editor in Boston. "Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not." ..... "At any rate, fearing retribution from my captors, I did not speak freely. Out of fear I said I wasn't threatened. In fact, I was threatened many times," she said. "Also, at least two false statements about me have been widely aired: That I refused to travel and cooperate with the U.S. military and that I refused to discuss my captivity with U.S. officials. Again, neither is true."

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST you guys. With AK's at your head and a chance to go home, what the fuck would you say?

We ALL know that when POW's made statements about the US it was all BS so they wouldn't get killed. Same thing here. You do what you do to stay alive.

www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/01/carroll.video/index.html

Carroll takes shot at her kidnappers
Journalist says she was forced to make video praising insurgents


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Former hostage Jill Carroll said Saturday that she did not willingly make a video in which she praises Iraq's insurgents and said in a statement that she "abhor all who kidnap."

Carroll, saying "I'm happy to be here," arrived in Germany on Saturday, two days after her captors released her in Baghdad. But her arrival in the West was overshadowed by the airing in recent days of a video her kidnappers filmed before letting her go.

The video, which appeared on an Islamist Web site, showed Carroll saying that President Bush should stop the "illegal" war in Iraq and that the insurgents ultimately would prevail.

Carroll said in her statement that she was forced to film the propaganda video as the price for her freedom.

The statement was released by The Christian Science Monitor, which published a story Friday stating that Carroll's father had spoken with his daughter and she told him the video was coerced.

In her statement, Carroll thanked everyone who worked for her release, but devoted a significant portion of the statement to defending herself against criticism regarding the video, in which she said the insurgents were "very smart" and had treated her well.

"During my last night in captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video," she wrote. "They told me they would let me go if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and wanted to go home alive. I agreed.

"Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not."

She even lambasted her captors, who allegedly killed her interpreter, Alan Enwiya, when they abducted her in western Baghdad in January.

"They robbed Alan of his life and devastated his family. They put me, my family and my friends -- and all those around the world, who have prayed so fervently for my release -- through a horrific experience," she wrote. "I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this."

Saying she wants to be regarded as a journalist, and not a hostage, Carroll said she would not engage in polemics against her kidnappers, "but let me be clear: I abhor all who kidnap and murder civilians, and my captors are clearly guilty of both crimes."

Earlier, a smiling Carroll was greeted at Ramstein Air Base in western Germany and was taken to a hotel, a Ramstein spokesman said.

She was expected to arrive in Boston, Massachusetts, on Sunday, said Monitor Editor Richard Bergenheim, who read her statement to reporters.

Carroll, who is described as emotionally fragile after 82 days in captivity, spent Friday in Baghdad's fortified Green Zone.

Forced praise

In the propaganda video released by the insurgents, Carroll discusses her release with a man who may be one of her captors. She says that the mujahedeen has treated her well, kept her safe and was able to elude the U.S. military because its members are "very smart."

"The mujahedeen are the ones that will win in the end," she says, adding that the insurgents "are good people fighting an honorable fight while the Americans are here as an occupying force treating the people in a very bad way."

After her release Thursday, Carroll showed up at the offices of the Iraqi Islamic Party and granted an interview in which she said her kidnappers treated her very well and never threatened her.

Carroll explained those comments, too, in Saturday's statement.

"The party had promised me the interview would never be aired on television, and broke their word," Carroll wrote. "At any rate, fearing retribution from my captors, I did not speak freely. Out of fear I said I wasn't threatened. In fact, I was threatened many times."

In closing, Carroll denied two more claims that have risen since the release of the propaganda video: "that I refused to travel and cooperate with the U.S. military and that I refused to discuss my captivity with U.S. officials. Again, neither is true."

In its article Friday on the video, the Monitor quotes Jill Carroll's colleagues -- including a U.S. Marine Corps public affairs officer -- praising the 28-year-old's neutrality on matters she was reporting.

"Her professionalism and objectivity were unparalleled within the media community," Capt. Patrick Kerr told the Monitor.

CNN cannot authenticate the source of the propaganda video. It is not clear when or where it was taped.

CNN's Octavia Nasr and Susan Garraty contributed to this report.

Her latest statement...

The following is a statement released Saturday by The Christian Science Monitor from freed hostage Jill Carroll:

I'm so happy to be free and am looking forward to spending a lot of time with my family. I want to express my deep appreciation to all the people who worked so long and hard for my release. I am humbled by the sympathy and support expressed by so many people during my kidnapping.

In the past few days, the U.S. military and officials have been extremely generous, and I am grateful for their help. Throughout this ordeal, many U.S. agencies have committed themselves to bringing me safely home.

My colleagues at The Christian Science Monitor have worked ceaselessly to secure my release, and worked with security consultants to do so. Many other news organizations, both inside and outside of Iraq, as well as many officials from Iraq and other countries, worked hard to bring about my freedom.

So many people around the world spoke out on my behalf.

Thank you, all of you.

During my last night of captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video. They told me I would be released if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and I wanted to go home alive. So I agreed.

Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not. The people who kidnapped me and murdered Alan Enwiya are criminals, at best. They robbed Alan of his life and devastated his family. They put me, my family and my friends - all those around the world - who have prayed so fervently for my release - through a horrific experience. I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this.


I also gave a TV interview to the Iraqi Islamic Party shortly after my release. The party had promised me the interview would never be broadcast or aired on television, and they broke their word. At any rate, fearing retribution from my captors, I did not speak freely. Out of fear I said I wasn't threatened. In fact, I was threatened many times.

Also, at least two false statements about me have been widely aired: One, that I refused to travel and cooperate with the U.S. military and two, that I refused to discuss my captivity with U.S. officials. Again, neither statement is true.

I want to be judged as a journalist, not as a hostage. I remain as committed as ever to fairness and accuracy - to discovering the truth - and so I will not engage in polemics. But let me be clear: I abhor all who kidnap and murder civilians, and my captors are clearly guilty of both crimes.

Now, I ask for the time to heal. This has been a taxing 12 weeks for me and for my family. Please allow us some quiet time alone, together.

- Jill Carroll



Sounds like there's lots of crow to be ate tonight.

Quoted: And we all know the POW's were tortured and beaten to shit to make them comply… I don't recall ANY US or UK POW's making statements looking like a perfectly manicured news anchor on Al Jazeera … i2.tinypic.com/so6ezt.jpg "The coalition is evil…" wwmt.com/pictures/1143727641-caroll.jpg "The coalition is evil…" I know which one is lying…

Vito, IIRC, they claimed Flight Lt. Peters was injured while ejecting. We all knew he'd been beaten, but they had an excuse.

Beating the living shit out of a woman (who had already seen her captors blow a guy away) would be counterproductive.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And we all know the POW's were tortured and beaten to shit to make them comply… I don't recall ANY US or UK POW's making statements looking like a perfectly manicured news anchor on Al Jazeera … i2.tinypic.com/so6ezt.jpg "The coalition is evil…" wwmt.com/pictures/1143727641-caroll.jpg "The coalition is evil…" I know which one is lying… Vito, IIRC, they claimed Flight Lt. Peters was injured while ejecting. We all knew he'd been beaten, but they had an excuse. Beating the living shit out of a woman (who had already seen her captors blow a guy away) would be counterproductive. I do not recall any video tapes of genuine POW's in which the men & women were laughing and smiling… thay all had that 1000yd stare, even the (few) ones that were not abused… www.brandonblog.com/blog-pow.jpg

Quite frankly, unless you've been there -

SHUT THE FUCK UP!

She was a civilian, not a soldier.

What the Hell does crow eating mean?

We will see what happens in the days ahead regarding her stance.She probably already has a PR person coaching her every move doing damage control for the Christian Science Monitor.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And we all know the POW's were tortured and beaten to shit to make them comply… I don't recall ANY US or UK POW's making statements looking like a perfectly manicured news anchor on Al Jazeera … i2.tinypic.com/so6ezt.jpg "The coalition is evil…" wwmt.com/pictures/1143727641-caroll.jpg "The coalition is evil…" I know which one is lying… Vito, IIRC, they claimed Flight Lt. Peters was injured while ejecting. We all knew he'd been beaten, but they had an excuse. Beating the living shit out of a woman (who had already seen her captors blow a guy away) would be counterproductive. I do not recall any video tapes of genuine POW's in which the men & women were laughing and smiling… thay all had that 1000yd stare, even the (few) ones that were not abused… www.brandonblog.com/blog-pow.jpg Quite frankly, unless you've been there - SHUT THE FUCK UP! She was a civilian, not a soldier. Oh I see… don't agree = STFU… S'funny that… isn't that the 'Islamic Way'

No, it's the FUCKING HUMAN WAY!

As opposed to the keyboard commando, scariest thing I ever did was get weaned off momma's tits way.

This whole thread has me fuming.

I see a lot of tough talking from a lot of people who have no clue what they are talking about.

Quoted: What the Hell does crow eating mean?

Eat crow, admitting you're wrong, taking back what you said.

Probably won't see much of that.  People will grasp at some other straw to prove she's a lib or sympathizer.  She's in the media, she HAS to be!!!  

Not one crow wing is gonna beat eaten by me.

She cooperated with the terrorists that killed
her freind and translator.

If I'm supposed to jump for joy tht she "condems"
kidnapping innocent and unarmed people and, sawing off
thier heads, well, that's not gonna happen.

Of course, I didn't comment on this to begin with
becasue I simply cannot comply with the COC
when expressing my feelings regarding the
journalists that are desperate for bad news to happen
to the US, or the fledgeling Iragui govornment.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And we all know the POW's were tortured and beaten to shit to make them comply… I don't recall ANY US or UK POW's making statements looking like a perfectly manicured news anchor on Al Jazeera … i2.tinypic.com/so6ezt.jpg "The coalition is evil…" wwmt.com/pictures/1143727641-caroll.jpg "The coalition is evil…" I know which one is lying… Vito, IIRC, they claimed Flight Lt. Peters was injured while ejecting. We all knew he'd been beaten, but they had an excuse. Beating the living shit out of a woman (who had already seen her captors blow a guy away) would be counterproductive. I do not recall any video tapes of genuine POW's in which the men & women were laughing and smiling… thay all had that 1000yd stare, even the (few) ones that were not abused… www.brandonblog.com/blog-pow.jpg Quite frankly, unless you've been there - SHUT THE FUCK UP! She was a civilian, not a soldier.

+1

Hate to say it, but if a bunch of guys with kitchen towels on their heads broke in here, held me at gunpoint, and demanded I make a propoganda video telling the world that their struggle was just and right...well, guess what; I'm playing producer AND actor. Maybe even director, if the guy holding the camera can't speak English.


As much of an internet bad-ass as I am, I have not been trained for that, and it's not my country that I'm fighting for in that instance...it's my own personal skin.

I'm glad she's ok, back home, and has lived to say what really happened.

Hopefully she'll be ok.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And we all know the POW's were tortured and beaten to shit to make them comply… I don't recall ANY US or UK POW's making statements looking like a perfectly manicured news anchor on Al Jazeera … i2.tinypic.com/so6ezt.jpg "The coalition is evil…" wwmt.com/pictures/1143727641-caroll.jpg "The coalition is evil…" I know which one is lying… Vito, IIRC, they claimed Flight Lt. Peters was injured while ejecting. We all knew he'd been beaten, but they had an excuse. Beating the living shit out of a woman (who had already seen her captors blow a guy away) would be counterproductive. I do not recall any video tapes of genuine POW's in which the men & women were laughing and smiling… thay all had that 1000yd stare, even the (few) ones that were not abused… www.brandonblog.com/blog-pow.jpg Quite frankly, unless you've been there - SHUT THE FUCK UP! She was a civilian, not a soldier. Oh I see… don't agree = STFU… S'funny that… isn't that the 'Islamic Way'

Please don't tell me that surprises you. Remember where you are at.

It's the ARFCOM way.

Quoted: Quoted: What the Hell does crow eating mean? Eat crow, admitting you're wrong, taking back what you said. Probably won't see much of that.  People will grasp at some other straw to prove she's a lib or sympathizer.  She's in the media, she HAS to be!!!

Damn, I learn something new every day here...