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Posted: 8/31/2022 9:25:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well 50 years of coups around the world, and its come home to roost. Remember when US election surprises where just who about who got caught fucking the secretary, and it wasn't about collapsing the country, and triggering a civil war.  Gary Hart remembers |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 9:30:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never heard of Secret/SCI, probably should have been Secret/SAP Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/954a1ccd337c4f5a8c588260e2abfefc/1000.jpeg This image contained in a court filing by the Department of Justice on Aug. 30, 2022, and redacted by in part by the FBI, shows a photo of documents seized during the Aug. 8 search by the FBI of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. The Justice Department says it has uncovered efforts to obstruct its investigation into the discovery of classified records at former President Donald Trump's Florida estate. (Department of Justice via AP) More That the first time In literally several decades of dealing with classified materials I have seen "Secret//SCI" I guess In theory there could be compartmentlized secret information. A subset of Top Secret documents known as SCI, or sensitive compartmented information, is reserved for certain information derived from intelligence sources. Access to an SCI document can be even further restricted to a smaller group of people with specific security clearances. This. I have seen Unclass/ and Secret/SAP before. Never labelled as SCI. SCI is the name for that category of information handling. But when you're in that category of information, that information is classified for that program. SCI is used to DEFINE that category of information; it isn't the classification of the information itself. The codeword for that SAP is used to classify that information, because outside of that program, that categorization isn't really relevant. Example: Unclass/S/TS/SIOP is a correct classification, SIOP being the (old) code word identifying the program relating to nuclear weapons targeting and employment. Interesting theory here: The first reaction to this information about Trump’s office would be that he was determined to keep NSC staffers from leaking the material, as so often happened, in a manner designed to sabotage Trump’s policies. (A report from Politico tending to corroborate that point emerged shortly thereafter.) I recall thinking at the time that it sounded as if the Trump front office had created a SAP to protect information from chronic leakers inside the NSC. And in hindsight, that doesn’t seem off the wall. POTUS can create as many SAPs as he wants, whenever he wants. It’s up to him. There’s nothing that could limit his use of that classification option to protect information. The only opinions on it can be political ones about his motives; there’s no basis in law or regulation to impugn him for using SAPs. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 9:52:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I have seen Unclass/ and Secret/SAP before. Never labelled as SCI. SCI is the name for that category of information handling. But when you're in that category of information, that information is classified for that program. SCI is used to DEFINE that category of information; it isn't the classification of the information itself. The codeword for that SAP is used to classify that information, because outside of that program, that categorization isn't really relevant. Example: Unclass/S/TS/SIOP is a correct classification, SIOP being the (old) code word identifying the program relating to nuclear weapons targeting and employment. Interesting theory here: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/954a1ccd337c4f5a8c588260e2abfefc/1000.jpeg This image contained in a court filing by the Department of Justice on Aug. 30, 2022, and redacted by in part by the FBI, shows a photo of documents seized during the Aug. 8 search by the FBI of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. The Justice Department says it has uncovered efforts to obstruct its investigation into the discovery of classified records at former President Donald Trump's Florida estate. (Department of Justice via AP) More That the first time In literally several decades of dealing with classified materials I have seen "Secret//SCI" I guess In theory there could be compartmentlized secret information. A subset of Top Secret documents known as SCI, or sensitive compartmented information, is reserved for certain information derived from intelligence sources. Access to an SCI document can be even further restricted to a smaller group of people with specific security clearances. This. I have seen Unclass/ and Secret/SAP before. Never labelled as SCI. SCI is the name for that category of information handling. But when you're in that category of information, that information is classified for that program. SCI is used to DEFINE that category of information; it isn't the classification of the information itself. The codeword for that SAP is used to classify that information, because outside of that program, that categorization isn't really relevant. Example: Unclass/S/TS/SIOP is a correct classification, SIOP being the (old) code word identifying the program relating to nuclear weapons targeting and employment. Interesting theory here: The first reaction to this information about Trump's office would be that he was determined to keep NSC staffers from leaking the material, as so often happened, in a manner designed to sabotage Trump's policies. (A report from Politico tending to corroborate that point emerged shortly thereafter.) I recall thinking at the time that it sounded as if the Trump front office had created a SAP to protect information from chronic leakers inside the NSC. And in hindsight, that doesn't seem off the wall. POTUS can create as many SAPs as he wants, whenever he wants. It's up to him. There's nothing that could limit his use of that classification option to protect information. The only opinions on it can be political ones about his motives; there's no basis in law or regulation to impugn him for using SAPs. The documents were never missing given they were registered. What we see is a copy and the originals are on some electronic storage. The Secret/SCI coversheets were made up by the FBI, a brand spanking new classification level. Does the FBI have the authority to create this new classification? |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 9:59:40 AM EDT
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This is a photo op, for the media to run with. It’s clearly staged.
It’s setting up a story to justify an endless investigation in an attempt to separate Trump supporter from Trump through endless investigation fatigue. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 10:18:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so trump had all these super secret documents for a year and a half and no one noticed, but right before an election they come out. they are really worried about what trump has on them. anyone who believes anything the DOJ says needs mental help, liars and crooks all of them. I grew up in a law enforcement family and always trusted them, my opinion sure has changed the last 15 years. outside of my local cops, zero trust. It's really a case by case basis. We have some local guys who are absolutely great. We also have a former chief of police in prison for stealing money from evidence. (Over 70k). And a former K9 officer who both took evidence money and wasn't keeping his dog training up to requirements. Some guys who still on the force have a bit of a reputation for.... Various things. Cops are human too. Good people and shitbags among them just like every other profession. The FBI and DOJ appear to be irredeemable. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 10:20:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The documents were never missing given they were registered. What we see is a copy and the originals are on some electronic storage. The Secret/SCI coversheets were made up by the FBI, a brand spanking new classification level. Does the FBI have the authority to create this new classification? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/954a1ccd337c4f5a8c588260e2abfefc/1000.jpeg This image contained in a court filing by the Department of Justice on Aug. 30, 2022, and redacted by in part by the FBI, shows a photo of documents seized during the Aug. 8 search by the FBI of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. The Justice Department says it has uncovered efforts to obstruct its investigation into the discovery of classified records at former President Donald Trump's Florida estate. (Department of Justice via AP) More That the first time In literally several decades of dealing with classified materials I have seen "Secret//SCI" I guess In theory there could be compartmentlized secret information. A subset of Top Secret documents known as SCI, or sensitive compartmented information, is reserved for certain information derived from intelligence sources. Access to an SCI document can be even further restricted to a smaller group of people with specific security clearances. This. I have seen Unclass/ and Secret/SAP before. Never labelled as SCI. SCI is the name for that category of information handling. But when you're in that category of information, that information is classified for that program. SCI is used to DEFINE that category of information; it isn't the classification of the information itself. The codeword for that SAP is used to classify that information, because outside of that program, that categorization isn't really relevant. Example: Unclass/S/TS/SIOP is a correct classification, SIOP being the (old) code word identifying the program relating to nuclear weapons targeting and employment. Interesting theory here: The first reaction to this information about Trump's office would be that he was determined to keep NSC staffers from leaking the material, as so often happened, in a manner designed to sabotage Trump's policies. (A report from Politico tending to corroborate that point emerged shortly thereafter.) I recall thinking at the time that it sounded as if the Trump front office had created a SAP to protect information from chronic leakers inside the NSC. And in hindsight, that doesn't seem off the wall. POTUS can create as many SAPs as he wants, whenever he wants. It's up to him. There's nothing that could limit his use of that classification option to protect information. The only opinions on it can be political ones about his motives; there's no basis in law or regulation to impugn him for using SAPs. The documents were never missing given they were registered. What we see is a copy and the originals are on some electronic storage. The Secret/SCI coversheets were made up by the FBI, a brand spanking new classification level. Does the FBI have the authority to create this new classification? Is it possible the coversheets are unusual because they assigned someone unfamiliar with such clearances to create this newly manufactured 'scandal'? "Muh documents!!!!". "Muh Russia!!" |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 10:25:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a photo op, for the media to run with. It’s clearly staged. It’s setting up a story to justify an endless investigation in an attempt to separate Trump supporter from Trump through endless investigation fatigue. Evidentiary photos are 1. photographed in place (how it was found) and then 2. detailed These appear to be neither. The haphazard arrangement seems like a very unlikely condition for them to have been found in. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 10:38:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Evidentiary photos are 1. photographed in place (how it was found) and then 2. detailed These appear to be neither. The haphazard arrangement seems like a very unlikely condition for them to have been found in. Yes, as it somebody wanted all the 'super secrete squirrel' covers to be laid out for a MSM effect. The scale ruler kills me. We need scale for 8.5x11 papers. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 10:52:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Evidentiary photos are 1. photographed in place (how it was found) and then 2. detailed These appear to be neither. The haphazard arrangement seems like a very unlikely condition for them to have been found in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is a photo op, for the media to run with. It’s clearly staged. It’s setting up a story to justify an endless investigation in an attempt to separate Trump supporter from Trump through endless investigation fatigue. Evidentiary photos are 1. photographed in place (how it was found) and then 2. detailed These appear to be neither. The haphazard arrangement seems like a very unlikely condition for them to have been found in. It would be interesting to hear someone answer the question "Why was this photo taken?". It's useless evidence-wise; the only possible explanation for it is that it's intended to manipulate public opinion. Probably taken by the same person who carefully arranged the paper scraps in the toilet. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 10:59:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Evidentiary photos are 1. photographed in place (how it was found) and then 2. detailed These appear to be neither. The haphazard arrangement seems like a very unlikely condition for them to have been found in. They were pulled out of that bankers box and layed out . This is all theater |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 11:17:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2022 11:21:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were pulled out of that bankers box and layed out . This is all theater Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Evidentiary photos are 1. photographed in place (how it was found) and then 2. detailed These appear to be neither. The haphazard arrangement seems like a very unlikely condition for them to have been found in. They were pulled out of that bankers box and layed out . This is all theater I'm not convinced they were even pulled out of the bankers box. The documents and cover sheets look they were completely made up and staged as a PR photo. Redacted my ass. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 11:21:49 AM EDT
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What is the "ECRET" classification?
I know the doc is redacted, but there is too much space where the "S" should be. FIB shouldn't have had the new guy print the evidence   Attached File |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 11:22:52 AM EDT
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I've been framed: Trump claims FBI threw classified docs on floor at Mar-a-Lago 'pretending it was me who did it - and took pictures for public to see' - but says it doesn't matter because 'DECLASSIFIED THEM'
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Posted: 8/31/2022 11:26:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it normal to attach classification cover sheets with paper clips? Yes, because you remove the cover sheets when the document is stored in the container. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 11:39:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I have seen Unclass/ and Secret/SAP before. Never labelled as SCI. SCI is the name for that category of information handling. But when you're in that category of information, that information is classified for that program. SCI is used to DEFINE that category of information; it isn't the classification of the information itself. The codeword for that SAP is used to classify that information, because outside of that program, that categorization isn't really relevant. Example: Unclass/S/TS/SIOP is a correct classification, SIOP being the (old) code word identifying the program relating to nuclear weapons targeting and employment. Interesting theory here: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/954a1ccd337c4f5a8c588260e2abfefc/1000.jpeg This image contained in a court filing by the Department of Justice on Aug. 30, 2022, and redacted by in part by the FBI, shows a photo of documents seized during the Aug. 8 search by the FBI of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. The Justice Department says it has uncovered efforts to obstruct its investigation into the discovery of classified records at former President Donald Trump's Florida estate. (Department of Justice via AP) More That the first time In literally several decades of dealing with classified materials I have seen "Secret//SCI" I guess In theory there could be compartmentlized secret information. A subset of Top Secret documents known as SCI, or sensitive compartmented information, is reserved for certain information derived from intelligence sources. Access to an SCI document can be even further restricted to a smaller group of people with specific security clearances. This. I have seen Unclass/ and Secret/SAP before. Never labelled as SCI. SCI is the name for that category of information handling. But when you're in that category of information, that information is classified for that program. SCI is used to DEFINE that category of information; it isn't the classification of the information itself. The codeword for that SAP is used to classify that information, because outside of that program, that categorization isn't really relevant. Example: Unclass/S/TS/SIOP is a correct classification, SIOP being the (old) code word identifying the program relating to nuclear weapons targeting and employment. Interesting theory here: The first reaction to this information about Trump’s office would be that he was determined to keep NSC staffers from leaking the material, as so often happened, in a manner designed to sabotage Trump’s policies. (A report from Politico tending to corroborate that point emerged shortly thereafter.) I recall thinking at the time that it sounded as if the Trump front office had created a SAP to protect information from chronic leakers inside the NSC. And in hindsight, that doesn’t seem off the wall. POTUS can create as many SAPs as he wants, whenever he wants. It’s up to him. There’s nothing that could limit his use of that classification option to protect information. The only opinions on it can be political ones about his motives; there’s no basis in law or regulation to impugn him for using SAPs. Secret//SCI would be low level intelligence products. You still have to have the SCI access approvals for the program, but the particular bit of information contained isn't TS. Rather than producing cover sheets with alphabet soup of every possible letter combination, there's just SCI ones. See here on page 12 for S//SI//TK being valid, they would use a Secret//SCI cover sheet. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 11:47:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the "ECRET" classification? I know the doc is redacted, but there is too much space where the "S" should be. FIB shouldn't have had the new guy print the evidence https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/20220831_081745_jpg-2509597.JPG Good eye ! |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 11:47:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Secret//SCI would be low level intelligence products. You still have to have the SCI access approvals for the program, but the particular bit of information contained isn't TS. Rather than producing cover sheets with alphabet soup of every possible letter combination, there's just SCI ones. See here on page 12 for S//SI//TK being valid, they would use a Secret//SCI cover sheet. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/954a1ccd337c4f5a8c588260e2abfefc/1000.jpeg This image contained in a court filing by the Department of Justice on Aug. 30, 2022, and redacted by in part by the FBI, shows a photo of documents seized during the Aug. 8 search by the FBI of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. The Justice Department says it has uncovered efforts to obstruct its investigation into the discovery of classified records at former President Donald Trump's Florida estate. (Department of Justice via AP) More That the first time In literally several decades of dealing with classified materials I have seen "Secret//SCI" I guess In theory there could be compartmentlized secret information. A subset of Top Secret documents known as SCI, or sensitive compartmented information, is reserved for certain information derived from intelligence sources. Access to an SCI document can be even further restricted to a smaller group of people with specific security clearances. This. I have seen Unclass/ and Secret/SAP before. Never labelled as SCI. SCI is the name for that category of information handling. But when you're in that category of information, that information is classified for that program. SCI is used to DEFINE that category of information; it isn't the classification of the information itself. The codeword for that SAP is used to classify that information, because outside of that program, that categorization isn't really relevant. Example: Unclass/S/TS/SIOP is a correct classification, SIOP being the (old) code word identifying the program relating to nuclear weapons targeting and employment. Interesting theory here: The first reaction to this information about Trump’s office would be that he was determined to keep NSC staffers from leaking the material, as so often happened, in a manner designed to sabotage Trump’s policies. (A report from Politico tending to corroborate that point emerged shortly thereafter.) I recall thinking at the time that it sounded as if the Trump front office had created a SAP to protect information from chronic leakers inside the NSC. And in hindsight, that doesn’t seem off the wall. POTUS can create as many SAPs as he wants, whenever he wants. It’s up to him. There’s nothing that could limit his use of that classification option to protect information. The only opinions on it can be political ones about his motives; there’s no basis in law or regulation to impugn him for using SAPs. Secret//SCI would be low level intelligence products. You still have to have the SCI access approvals for the program, but the particular bit of information contained isn't TS. Rather than producing cover sheets with alphabet soup of every possible letter combination, there's just SCI ones. See here on page 12 for S//SI//TK being valid, they would use a Secret//SCI cover sheet. Kharn That is a presentation but together by Marine Forces Reserve and is being used for training purposes and does not represent actual policy. Current policy is anything filling under the standard published caveats of SCI are TS level and require TS eligibility and a read in to view. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 11:49:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Evidentiary photos are 1. photographed in place (how it was found) and then 2. detailed These appear to be neither. The haphazard arrangement seems like a very unlikely condition for them to have been found in. It’s a sham. That picture was set up for one purpose. To fool the public and to give the democrats something to pretend is bad. That’s all. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 12:30:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s a sham. That picture was set up for one purpose. To fool the public and to give the democrats something to pretend is bad. That’s all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Evidentiary photos are 1. photographed in place (how it was found) and then 2. detailed These appear to be neither. The haphazard arrangement seems like a very unlikely condition for them to have been found in. It’s a sham. That picture was set up for one purpose. To fool the public and to give the democrats something to pretend is bad. That’s all. And it'll probably work. I'm still waiting on people here to start throwing claims of "Q" once they read that people think the picture is fake. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 12:34:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Secret//SCI would be low level intelligence products. You still have to have the SCI access approvals for the program, but the particular bit of information contained isn't TS. Rather than producing cover sheets with alphabet soup of every possible letter combination, there's just SCI ones. See here on page 12 for S//SI//TK being valid, they would use a Secret//SCI cover sheet. Kharn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_compartmented_information Again, there's no mention of Secret//SCI, which was made up. Shifty-Schiff is behind this? |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 1:02:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it'll probably work. I'm still waiting on people here to start throwing claims of "Q" once they read that people think the picture is fake. They did forget "baby milk factory" so there's a small chance of it backfiring. It seems too scripted to me but I am oblivious to this TS stuff. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 1:04:58 PM EDT
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whats really disgusting was how the FBI refused to charge Hillary because "Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.” But a raid on a former president is justified..really in a nation of 300 million people not one would prosecute. We really are dealing with a rogue government and DOJ....
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Posted: 8/31/2022 1:14:40 PM EDT
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 Dan Bongino: This is a lot more than a few bad apples |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 1:18:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2022 1:23:18 PM EDT
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The staged photo is more of the same lawfare/obstruction crap they have been doing for many years. The classification markings mean nothing, so the regime is left with claims of "obstruction." I don't believe the elections have a bearing on the timing, but the RICO suit is what drove the regime. They know if President Trump's side presents evidence in that trial, those named in the suit are toast.
The docs doesn't mean anything, because President Trump and his team either has other copies or knows where to get the docs even if they were lost during the raid. The raid was used to: a) gather intel for the those named in the RICO suit b) trigger another investigation with whatever they find It took a while for them to come up with what they have now, since they were probably hoping to find something that was a gimme. Since they only found evidence of the regime's wrong-doing, "obstruction" is what they have to go with. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 1:28:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The staged photo is more of the same lawfare/obstruction crap they have been doing for many years. The classification markings mean nothing, so the regime is left with claims of "obstruction." I don't believe the elections have a bearing on the timing, but the RICO suit is what drove the regime. They know if President Trump's side presents evidence in that trial, those named in the suit are toast. The docs doesn't mean anything, because President Trump and his team either has other copies or knows where to get the docs even if they were lost during the raid. The raid was used to: a) gather intel for the those named in the RICO suit b) trigger another investigation with whatever they find It took a while for them to come up with what they have now, since they were probably hoping to find something that was a gimme. Since they only found evidence of the regime's wrong-doing, "obstruction" is what they have to go with. How hard would it have been for Trump to dummy up a bunch of authentic-looking classified and TS documents and salt them around? |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 1:34:27 PM EDT
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Do y'all really, truly think trump had the same respect for classified documents than say, someone in the military with clearance? I'm sure there are several politicians that are loose as fuck with classified shit because they think they're above the law (and usually are). It does not for one second surprise me that an egomaniac thought he could do whatever he wanted with classified shit lol
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Posted: 8/31/2022 1:40:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do y'all really, truly think trump had the same respect for classified documents than say, someone in the military with clearance? I'm sure there are several politicians that are loose as fuck with classified shit because they think they're above the law (and usually are). It does not for one second surprise me that an egomaniac thought he could do whatever he wanted with classified shit lol De-classified* |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 1:50:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do y'all really, truly think trump had the same respect for classified documents than say, someone in the military with clearance? I'm sure there are several politicians that are loose as fuck with classified shit because they think they're above the law (and usually are). It does not for one second surprise me that an egomaniac thought he could do whatever he wanted with classified shit lol Lol, pretending the military respects classified when mil members of the NSC were leaking info to damage Trump |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 1:56:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do y'all really, truly think trump had the same respect for classified documents than say, someone in the military with clearance? I'm sure there are several politicians that are loose as fuck with classified shit because they think they're above the law (and usually are). It does not for one second surprise me that an egomaniac thought he could do whatever he wanted with classified shit lol Given what you have written about Trump, I'll assume you voted for Obama. Obama is currently in possession of 39 million pages of documents, many of which have been declassified. Obama did exactly what Trump has done, declassify documents Everyone with a clearance should have the same level respect for classified information. Someone in the military doesn't have more respect for classified information, than those not in the military. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:02:37 PM EDT
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General Maria Barrett arrest
Does anyone know anything about this story? |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:05:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do y'all really, truly think trump had the same respect for classified documents than say, someone in the military with clearance? I'm sure there are several politicians that are loose as fuck with classified shit because they think they're above the law (and usually are). It does not for one second surprise me that an egomaniac thought he could do whatever he wanted with classified shit lol Where is the authority to classify information derived from? |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:11:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryInteresting, if true. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where is the authority to classify information derived from? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do y'all really, truly think trump had the same respect for classified documents than say, someone in the military with clearance? I'm sure there are several politicians that are loose as fuck with classified shit because they think they're above the law (and usually are). It does not for one second surprise me that an egomaniac thought he could do whatever he wanted with classified shit lol Where is the authority to classify information derived from? Judging by the replies in this thread: MSM FIB Never_Trumpers |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:20:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, if true. Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, if true. Well since another headline is a story about the military arresting Brian Stelter for sexual assault on a child, I'm going with no. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:20:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat website is interesting....  
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:21:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, if true. Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, if true. The same web page has these stories. Seems like a really reliable source of information. https://realrawnews.com/2021/07/military-executes-tom-hanks/ Military Executes Tom Hanks By Michael Baxter - July 27, 2021 Actor Tom Hanks has left the earth, put to death by a military tribunal that found him guilty of pedophilia and child endangerment. On June 12, the U.S. military apprehended Hanks after a plane he had chartered in Greece, where he held dual citizenship, landed at Malpensa Airport in Milan, Italy, where Hanks had been scheduled to attend a foreign film festival. https://realrawnews.com/2022/08/brian-stelter-arrested/ Brian Stelter Arrested By Michael Baxter - August 29, 2022 The U.S. military on Saturday arrested liberal “woke” activist and former CNN host Brian Stelter on charges of child molestation and possession of child pornography near his family’s posh condominium on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, JAG sources told Real Raw News. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:22:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryFake site the Real Raw News website. The site's "about us" page identifies itself as containing "humor, parody, and satire." |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:24:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The same web page has these stories. Seems like a really reliable source of information. https://realrawnews.com/2021/07/military-executes-tom-hanks/ Military Executes Tom Hanks By Michael Baxter - July 27, 2021 Actor Tom Hanks has left the earth, put to death by a military tribunal that found him guilty of pedophilia and child endangerment. On June 12, the U.S. military apprehended Hanks after a plane he had chartered in Greece, where he held dual citizenship, landed at Malpensa Airport in Milan, Italy, where Hanks had been scheduled to attend a foreign film festival. https://realrawnews.com/2022/08/brian-stelter-arrested/ Brian Stelter Arrested By Michael Baxter - August 29, 2022 The U.S. military on Saturday arrested liberal “woke” activist and former CNN host Brian Stelter on charges of child molestation and possession of child pornography near his family’s posh condominium on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, JAG sources told Real Raw News. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting, if true. The same web page has these stories. Seems like a really reliable source of information. https://realrawnews.com/2021/07/military-executes-tom-hanks/ Military Executes Tom Hanks By Michael Baxter - July 27, 2021 Actor Tom Hanks has left the earth, put to death by a military tribunal that found him guilty of pedophilia and child endangerment. On June 12, the U.S. military apprehended Hanks after a plane he had chartered in Greece, where he held dual citizenship, landed at Malpensa Airport in Milan, Italy, where Hanks had been scheduled to attend a foreign film festival. https://realrawnews.com/2022/08/brian-stelter-arrested/ Brian Stelter Arrested By Michael Baxter - August 29, 2022 The U.S. military on Saturday arrested liberal “woke” activist and former CNN host Brian Stelter on charges of child molestation and possession of child pornography near his family’s posh condominium on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, JAG sources told Real Raw News. Now do CNN  Yah, I didn't browse the rest of the site, appears to be horseshit. Just like all the "reputable" news sites these days. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:36:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I already asked this but: How hard would it have been for Trump to dummy up a bunch of authentic-looking classified and TS documents and salt them around? Why would he do such a thing? That’s some “Qanon” level stuff. There is no logic in trolling the FBI. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:39:11 PM EDT
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Back to the classified document picture.
I held a TS clearance for years and never heard of Secret/SCI, so I called up a buddy that was in the White House Communications Agency while he was on active duty and worked there under Carter and Reagan. He held MOS 72G, automatic data telecommunications center operator, AKA ComCenter Operator. ComCenters are where all official messages were sent/received and distributed. This was before SIPRNET on the desktop was a thing. He said he has never seen or heard of Secret/SCI. Could it be real? I guess anything is possible, but I'm going with Occam's Razor on this one. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:39:29 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryI stopped reading at “white Hat” scanned the part about her and a civilian deputy being arrested. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:42:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do y'all really, truly think trump had the same respect for classified documents than say, someone in the military with clearance? I'm sure there are several politicians that are loose as fuck with classified shit because they think they're above the law (and usually are). It does not for one second surprise me that an egomaniac thought he could do whatever he wanted with classified shit lol Hate to break this to you. But being in the military, or being a cop, or being an FBI agent, doesn't guarantee anything with regard to character. Many of our institutions are corrupted. Hailing from a partially or wholly corrupted institution does not provide legitimacy or integrity. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:49:46 PM EDT
[#45]
 MinorityReport - Orgy of Evidence Scene |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:55:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a presentation but together by Marine Forces Reserve and is being used for training purposes and does not represent actual policy. Current policy is anything filling under the standard published caveats of SCI are TS level and require TS eligibility and a read in to view. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/954a1ccd337c4f5a8c588260e2abfefc/1000.jpeg This image contained in a court filing by the Department of Justice on Aug. 30, 2022, and redacted by in part by the FBI, shows a photo of documents seized during the Aug. 8 search by the FBI of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. The Justice Department says it has uncovered efforts to obstruct its investigation into the discovery of classified records at former President Donald Trump's Florida estate. (Department of Justice via AP) More That the first time In literally several decades of dealing with classified materials I have seen "Secret//SCI" I guess In theory there could be compartmentlized secret information. A subset of Top Secret documents known as SCI, or sensitive compartmented information, is reserved for certain information derived from intelligence sources. Access to an SCI document can be even further restricted to a smaller group of people with specific security clearances. This. I have seen Unclass/ and Secret/SAP before. Never labelled as SCI. SCI is the name for that category of information handling. But when you're in that category of information, that information is classified for that program. SCI is used to DEFINE that category of information; it isn't the classification of the information itself. The codeword for that SAP is used to classify that information, because outside of that program, that categorization isn't really relevant. Example: Unclass/S/TS/SIOP is a correct classification, SIOP being the (old) code word identifying the program relating to nuclear weapons targeting and employment. Interesting theory here: The first reaction to this information about Trump’s office would be that he was determined to keep NSC staffers from leaking the material, as so often happened, in a manner designed to sabotage Trump’s policies. (A report from Politico tending to corroborate that point emerged shortly thereafter.) I recall thinking at the time that it sounded as if the Trump front office had created a SAP to protect information from chronic leakers inside the NSC. And in hindsight, that doesn’t seem off the wall. POTUS can create as many SAPs as he wants, whenever he wants. It’s up to him. There’s nothing that could limit his use of that classification option to protect information. The only opinions on it can be political ones about his motives; there’s no basis in law or regulation to impugn him for using SAPs. Secret//SCI would be low level intelligence products. You still have to have the SCI access approvals for the program, but the particular bit of information contained isn't TS. Rather than producing cover sheets with alphabet soup of every possible letter combination, there's just SCI ones. See here on page 12 for S//SI//TK being valid, they would use a Secret//SCI cover sheet. Kharn That is a presentation but together by Marine Forces Reserve and is being used for training purposes and does not represent actual policy. Current policy is anything filling under the standard published caveats of SCI are TS level and require TS eligibility and a read in to view. For lack of public source info, I cede the field. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 3:14:35 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/954a1ccd337c4f5a8c588260e2abfefc/1000.jpeg This image contained in a court filing by the Department of Justice on Aug. 30, 2022, and redacted by in part by the FBI, shows a photo of documents seized during the Aug. 8 search by the FBI of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. The Justice Department says it has uncovered efforts to obstruct its investigation into the discovery of classified records at former President Donald Trump's Florida estate. (Department of Justice via AP) More Again, still not clear the actual classification status of those docs. (He, and perhaps his staff, not coming from the world many of us are or were in with a heightened awareness of classified material control, may have have fallen into a casual swamp attitude, familiarity breeds contempt, "Everybody does it" - "Look what we found, those records were on this table the whole time!" etc., which is no more acceptable for him/them than for Hillary, etc.) What sort of fishing expedition "warrant" and mindset suggests that a box full of framed Time Magazine covers is evidence of anything and should be collected? |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 3:14:44 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do y'all really, truly think trump had the same respect for classified documents than say, someone in the military with clearance? I'm sure there are several politicians that are loose as fuck with classified shit because they think they're above the law (and usually are). It does not for one second surprise me that an egomaniac thought he could do whatever he wanted with classified shit lol As POTUS he had authority to declassify as he saw fit. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 3:56:37 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryRRN is not trustworthy information. We are in an information war right now. That site may very well be part of an effort to discredit real information about what is going on. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 4:25:58 PM EDT
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