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Posted: 8/21/2017 6:53:21 PM EDT
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 For shitstorm that's brewing
oh and the traitor should hang |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:09:35 PM EDT
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Drawn and Quartered
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:19:18 PM EDT
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He must think he has a strong case to go this route..... |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:23:18 PM EDT
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Your opinion is noted, like dogshit on my shoe. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:24:45 PM EDT
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He deserted, right? Firing squad.
Sell chances to his current division to be on the firing squad. Ten bucks per ticket. Give the money to a local charity. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:24:49 PM EDT
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GD will never learn to not engage known trolls.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:29:14 PM EDT
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GD will never learn to not engage known trolls. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:30:28 PM EDT
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GD can't differentiate between actual trolling and "person with different viewpoint". Therefore anyone who opposes the mob is a "troll". 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:39:42 PM EDT
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We didn't give you the rep, you earned it. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:40:30 PM EDT
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You guys should listen to the Serial podcast about his case. It's not as clear-cut as you think. It sounds like he should never have been in the military to begin with due to mental and behavioral issues, but it really doesn't sound like he's a traitor or Taliban sympathizer. At any rate he was held and tortured by the enemy for 5 years. Further punishment seems pointless. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:43:09 PM EDT
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Firing squad? Can they still do that in the military? 
We we had a number of good guys we lost. Looking for that cocksucker. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:06:19 PM EDT
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I believe there wasn't any evidence of casualties related to the search operations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bullshit. He cost good people their lives. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:07:45 PM EDT
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Actually it's a smart decision If you are accused of a heinous crime, you want a judge who is not going to be emotionally swayed. Misbehavior before the enemy is a heinous crime to military people; especially from an Infantryman. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:07:56 PM EDT
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Let the families and team mates of those killed looking for him be his judge and jury.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:08:37 PM EDT
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Lets see who the judge is. That will figure this one out very quickly. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:10:16 PM EDT
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@ KAC_Whore, YOU'RE FULL OF FUCKING SHIT!!!!! We were on a few missions looking for that fucking traitor. I got blown the fuck up looking for him in the Ghazni area because there was a rumor he could have been held in and around Ghazni. We were pulled of our regular patrols for that shit-stain. I loaded up good Soldiers on a Medevac Chopper because of him. Shut the fuck up and don't open your cock holster in my direction anymore. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:11:31 PM EDT
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@ KAC_Whore, YOU'RE FULL OF FUCKING SHIT!!!!! We were on a few missions looking for that fucking traitor. I got blown the fuck up looking for him in the Ghazni area because there was a rumor he could have been held in and around Ghazni. We were pulled of our regular patrols for that shit-stain. I loaded up good Soldiers on a Medevac Chopper because of him. Shut the fuck up and don't open your cock holster in my direction anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bullshit. He cost good people their lives. Or you don't know shit. You shoulda stayed shut up. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:15:16 PM EDT
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So you weren't specific and now your on your bike back pedaling. Or you don't know shit. You shoulda stayed shut up. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:22:03 PM EDT
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I hope he gets timed served or found not guilty. He is a hero.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:26:31 PM EDT
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I hope he gets timed served or found not guilty. He is a hero. 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:27:07 PM EDT
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I admitted I misspoke, and corrected it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you weren't specific and now your on your bike back pedaling. Or you don't know shit. You shoulda stayed shut up. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:28:51 PM EDT
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You took your time getting here. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:31:16 PM EDT
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I hope he gets timed served or found not guilty. He is a hero. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:34:38 PM EDT
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I hope he gets timed served or found not guilty. He is a hero. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:39:58 PM EDT
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Judge has been bought?
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:53:59 PM EDT
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Burial at sea? Alive... |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:59:44 PM EDT
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I hope he gets timed served or found not guilty. He is a hero. 
I hope the same thing, as well, in all honesty. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:06:41 PM EDT
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I thought a general had already been convened? How does he only go before the judge now?
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:10:33 PM EDT
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Can we give him to the Navy for a keel hauling? Preferably on an Nimitz Class.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:15:52 PM EDT
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Hang that low life POS!
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:17:09 PM EDT
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You guys should listen to the Serial podcast about his case. It's not as clear-cut as you think. It sounds like he should never have been in the military to begin with due to mental and behavioral issues, but it really doesn't sound like he's a traitor or Taliban sympathizer. At any rate he was held and tortured by the enemy for 5 years. Further punishment seems pointless. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:22:19 PM EDT
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I thought a general had already been convened? How does he only go before the judge now? The weirdest case I saw was where a guy cut a deal to plead not guilty but to agree in writing to all the facts the prosecution wanted him to admit to, in exchange for a maximum limit on his jail sentence. Yes, it can be done. Ultimately, it meant he got the benefit of a cap on his sentence even though he believed he committed no crime, although he readily admitted he did all the things he was accused of. The accused was a fucking knucklehead who did not realize how good his lawyer was for him (not me, a guy who worked for me). The best part was, during a break in his court-martial, the accused's guards let him step outside to smoke a cig. The judge comes out of his chambers, looks through a window, says, "hey, trial counsel, is that the accused running away across the parking lot?"  Yep! "There he goes!" He later got court-martialed for fleeing from his own court-martial.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:27:49 AM EDT
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He must think he has a strong case to go this route..... |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:45:23 AM EDT
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The exact opposite. His defense counsel knows that a Court with members made up of combat arms officers would hang him in quick order. Trial by Military Judge alone is his only hope... they tend to be lenient. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:56:37 AM EDT
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I admitted I misspoke, and corrected it. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 6:12:14 AM EDT
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You guys are leaping to make low-information decisions. Berating me won't change that. I've been following the case and actually have done reading about it. I'm not saying he's completely innocent, but there's a large chance he's just a stupid, deluded kid with attention-seeking tendencies who shouldn't have been in the Army, but who isn't a traitor or defector. Don't be an angry mob, that's so 16th century. Does he deserve death? Naw, that's a GD thing. The mil hasn't put anybody to death in a long time. What he does deserve is criminal and civil sanctions that will follow him the rest of his life, along with the scorn of the military he supposedly loved so much and wanted "to fix." By his own words, he walked off his post. "To bring attention to injustices"? Fuck that. That's like a gang member who robs a bank and shoots someone and then claims he was trying to bring attention to his inner city plight. Guess what? We still give that guy 20 years. Why should Bergdahl be any different? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 6:19:00 AM EDT
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You guys should listen to the Serial podcast about his case. It's not as clear-cut as you think. It sounds like he should never have been in the military to begin with due to mental and behavioral issues, but it really doesn't sound like he's a traitor or Taliban sympathizer. At any rate he was held and tortured by the enemy for 5 years. Further punishment seems pointless. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 6:32:09 AM EDT
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I once heard that if you are guilty, get a judge. If you are innocent, go for the jury. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 6:37:43 AM EDT
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You guys should listen to the Serial podcast about his case. It's not as clear-cut as you think. It sounds like he should never have been in the military to begin with due to mental and behavioral issues, but it really doesn't sound like he's a traitor or Taliban sympathizer. At any rate he was held and tortured by the enemy for 5 years. Further punishment seems pointless. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:00:46 AM EDT
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Did anybody who knows anything about military justice think this would go any other way?
It's the only sane decision to be made. Judges tend to be (relative to panels) unswayed by emotion and public opinion, capable of hearing complex legal arguments, and more lenient in sentences. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:03:36 AM EDT
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I thought a general had already been convened? How does he only go before the judge now? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:08:59 AM EDT
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snip The accused was a fucking knucklehead who did not realize how good his lawyer was for him (not me, a guy who worked for me). The best part was, during a break in his court-martial, the accused's guards let him step outside to smoke a cig. The judge comes out of his chambers, looks through a window, says, "hey, trial counsel, is that the accused running away across the parking lot?" Yep! "There he goes!" He later got court-martialed for fleeing from his own court-martial.The number of soldiers who thing JAs are soldier assigned to a temp position or only went to a 2 month Military school is astounding. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:17:20 AM EDT
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Did the accused even understand their lawyer was a real lawyer? This is why they make you post your law degree on the wall. The number of soldiers who thing JAs are soldier assigned to a temp position or only went to a 2 month Military school is astounding. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip The accused was a fucking knucklehead who did not realize how good his lawyer was for him (not me, a guy who worked for me). The best part was, during a break in his court-martial, the accused's guards let him step outside to smoke a cig. The judge comes out of his chambers, looks through a window, says, "hey, trial counsel, is that the accused running away across the parking lot?" Yep! "There he goes!" He later got court-martialed for fleeing from his own court-martial.This is why they make you post your law degree on the wall. The number of soldiers who thing JAs are soldier assigned to a temp position or only went to a 2 month Military school is astounding. To your point: When I started in JAG Corps, I took every damn degree or credential I had, went to the post arts and crafts center, and framed them all. Hung that shit up all over my office when I was in Legal Assistance and Trial Defense Service so my clients would know I was a real lawyer. But in TDS I also spent a lot of time building client trust and relationship. Thus, I never had a complaint against me, and I had only one guy who ever backed out of a guilty plea deal to fuck me over, get a new lawyer, and negotiate a better deal -- which didn't happen (he was a POS and the government said, "OK, now that you busted the deal at your guilty plea, we're tacking on a shitload more charges"). |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:25:19 AM EDT
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Hang the bastard. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:30:37 AM EDT
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I once heard that if you are guilty, get a judge. If you are innocent, go for the jury. Edited because I'm starting my tumble into senile dementia. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:39:36 AM EDT
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I think it's the opposite. Ref. the Brown trials in Baltimore. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 8:06:12 AM EDT
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I think it's the opposite. Ref. the Brown trials in Baltimore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I once heard that if you are guilty, get a judge. If you are innocent, go for the jury. if you have a case in which public sympathy is for you and the law is against you, get a jury. if you have a case in which public sympathy is against you and the law is against you, get a good plea deal. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 8:26:27 AM EDT
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It is clear cut. I read every word of the transcript of his case. Too bad the enemy didn't kill him. But, since he is alive and made it back to us, I think that he should be hung by the neck to gently choke in the wind, a needle stuck in his arm and poison started, and a firing squad should squeeze their rounds off. I don't really care wether the rope, needle or bullets finishes him off. Then all the brothers of those who were lost or injured in his search should be permitted to desecrate his body at will. And that's just off the top of my head. I could get inventive if I took a bit to think about it. Probably ought to use a KA-BAR, too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys should listen to the Serial podcast about his case. It's not as clear-cut as you think. It sounds like he should never have been in the military to begin with due to mental and behavioral issues, but it really doesn't sound like he's a traitor or Taliban sympathizer. At any rate he was held and tortured by the enemy for 5 years. Further punishment seems pointless. But, since he is alive and made it back to us, I think that he should be hung by the neck to gently choke in the wind, a needle stuck in his arm and poison started, and a firing squad should squeeze their rounds off. I don't really care wether the rope, needle or bullets finishes him off. Then all the brothers of those who were lost or injured in his search should be permitted to desecrate his body at will. And that's just off the top of my head. I could get inventive if I took a bit to think about it. Probably ought to use a KA-BAR, too. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 8:37:49 AM EDT
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You're referencing the paradigm of race justice whereas guilty parties are acquitted due to the color of their skin, which BTW, works both ways. Bergdahl would stand zero chance with a jury in a .MIL CM. If this was civilian trial he might have a chance but with Joe sitting in the jury box he's a dead man. He knows it and so does his lawyer. I believe this is similar. From the reactions here, NFW is a jury with military members going to acquit him. He *still* has a shitty case, but some chance is better than none. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 8:38:57 AM EDT
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You guys are leaping to make low-information decisions. Berating me won't change that. I've been following the case and actually have done reading about it. I'm not saying he's completely innocent, but there's a large chance he's just a stupid, deluded kid with attention-seeking tendencies who shouldn't have been in the Army, but who isn't a traitor or defector. Don't be an angry mob, that's so 16th century. Many of us are quite educated on Bergdahl and what happened because some of us were there, or most of us were initially horrified at the thought of another service member being held captive by the Taliban and were quite sure his death would be horrific and video recorded and released to the public in no time flat. When that didnt happen and further information came out, we were horrified for different reasons and quite understandably angered by what we learned. You've been here 5 minutes and have the gall to state we're not educated and dont know what the fuck we're talking about here? Go fuck yourself. I'm all for differing opinions, but this is well known and well discussed here. Bergdahl is a deserter and a traitor, and should be tried for such. If you dont know what you're talking about, then you really shouldnt stumble in here and start telling "what really happened". |
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