[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Atrius 3 position FRT (Page 2 of 18)
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Quoted: Any of them stand out in a positive or negative way compared to the others? Quoted: Quoted: Most of my experience is with the original rare breed. I've had multiple of them running for awhile. I also have a couple super safeties, a couple Arizona Regulators, a couple DTT's, a Selektor, a Dairyland Defense (selektor rebranded) and a WOT. I haven't started a tech thread, though I do try and chime in when people are having issues. Unfortunately I haven't been shooting as much as I used too. Between a whole home solar build, adding 1k sq/ft to the house and my kids medical problems, I haven't had a lot of spare time. Any of them stand out in a positive or negative way compared to the others? The ARIZONA REGULATOR is a full bore Mil-Spec based system. Just as Stoner would have approved of. And it’s own thing. (ETA if Stoner had to work within our current federal laws to only have single function of the trigger like we have to do to keep them semi auto and legal. Not the automatic version he created ) The others are box/cartridge triggers. And their own thing. This new super safety rendition is kinda cool. And their own thing. RETRACTED That I hope they make a shit ton of them for America as ling at they worked out the issues with super safety that folks have posted about and read about on the interweb since those hit the scene a few years ago RETRACTED (ETA formal retraction of bolded text above. When I saw the item it looked like a cool concept that is hope works well and people can get them. Upon a bit of investigation it has surfaced that the addrsss for that site is based in the largest known location for scams and identity theft in the world. It’s so bad the The NY Times wrote an article about it and gave the same address that the site is registered to Make your own decisions but I must distance myself from any and or all previous positive statements about that item There is no good reason to host a site at the largest scam and identity theft hub in the world. Unless there is more to the story.... Proof is in the pudding. This is being posted for Consumer Protection. Make your own decisions. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/business/iceland-online-disinformation-identity-theft.html Published Oct. 9, 2024 Updated Oct. 15, 2024 The modern office building near the harbor in Iceland’s capital, Reykjavik, is best known as the home of the Icelandic Phallological Museum, which displays 320 specimens of mammal penises. To those who track cyber mischief, however, the building also has a reputation as a virtual offshore haven for some of the world’s worst perpetrators of identity theft, ransomware, disinformation, fraud and other wrongdoing. That’s because the museum’s street address, Kalkofnsvegur 2, is also the registered address for Withheld for Privacy, a company that is part of a booming and largely unregulated industry in Iceland and elsewhere that allows people who operate online domains to shield their identities. While the practice has become commonplace for website owners seeking to protect themselves from harassment or spam, it has also helped others cover their tracks from prying regulators, law enforcement officials or victims. Withheld for Privacy and other so-called proxy services have turned Iceland into a global hub for illicit activity far out of proportion to the country’s size. The company — created in 2021 by Namecheap, one of the world’s largest providers of websites — has effectively shielded tens of thousands of sketchy internet sites. Even local authorities said they had tried and failed to reach the company’s representatives when problems had arisen.   Whois listing https://www.whois.com/whois/atrius.dev   |
The Atrius is a selector instead of a trigger so I don't see how RB's patent could even hope to apply. Atrius Super Selektor FRS Quoted: I ordered one yesterday. Seems like a nice simple design. I would be very interested in knowing your results and opinion once you have tried it out. Please make a thread on it! Quoted: He was a hero. I really believe that. He enlisted himself in war for your firearm rights, and he took it hard to the face for it. The fact that he made 40 million dollars off it aside, still was a hero. But...then...at some point...after effectively becoming a POW...he made a deal with his captors to help control everyone else they want to have out of the picture in exchange for him going back into business. That is literally in their settlement agreement. Maybe he has been suing everyone under the sun with an FRT device, no matter how dissimilar it is to his, because that was how he got his business back from the .gov...a promise to destroy other FRT manufacturers and effectively become controlled opposition. Or maybe he really believes he should have a monopoly on FRT devices, including ones that predate his (the super safety) or are completely unrelated to his. Either way...he started out a hero...then went all Bowie Bergdahl on us. Not ok. No amount of early heroism excuses becoming the one who profits off a deal to become the prison camp guard directed bully so that they can deal with undesirables without having to take the direct blame. Well said. |
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Quoted: Any of them stand out in a positive or negative way compared to the others? My favorite is the Tommy Trigger 3 position. Unfortunately ATF shut them down several years ago. I'm pretty sure their design violated rare breed's patents, so I don't expect them to come back. The DTT doesn't have as good of a feel as the Tommy Trigger, but it does work well. I'm not a huge fan of the push to side super safeties. They work well, but I've got years of experience using traditional selectors. The first Arizona Regulator, I felt it needed quite a bit of work to get fitted to the trigger. So I'm happy they've introduced the new version that's pre-fitted. The only downside now is that you have to pop the upper to swap in and out of forced reset mode. Really good design for anything you want to always be forced reset. Selektor/Dairyland Defense - feels great in semi auto, but some people are having timing issues with them. I would skip them as too many people have had problems. Ben has a new design coming. I'm looking forward to seeing how it works. |
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Quoted: They are claiming to own the patent on ANYTHING and EVERYTHING FRT related, basically claiming ownership of a end result instead of the mechanism to achieve the end result. Its one thing to own a patent on a specific type of door hinge to open a door, its another to try and claim you own the patent on opening a door regardless of how its achieved. The Super Safety is an entirely different design from the rare Breed FRT, and the Rare Breed patent would undoubtedly not hold up in a actual copyright infringement trial but they are using the threat of giant legal expenses to fight it in courts to deter any competition with different unique designs. So its asinine that anyone is trying to defend Rare Breed basically doing to other companies what the government did to them. Im glad Rare Breed won their case against the government, its a big win and I admire them for fighting. I am also mad at Rare Breed for being fuckass patent trolls. Both things can be true I largely agree with you, but I'd add this for consideration; the RB patent refers to a drop-in cassette type trigger, which excludes things like the SS. I think we agree on that. The question is why RB is sending C&D letters over products which clearly don't violate their patent? The government isn't covering RBs patent litigation costs, so its just money down the drain for RB because they'd lose. My guess is (and I haven't looked at the timing of things) that RB sent the C&Ds before the settlement in an effort to placate the government and get to a settlement. But the actual terms of the final settlement say RB only has to defend its patents to the extent it has a good faith belief its patents are actually violated (which it can't say for the SS). I think it remains to be seen if RB is going to be a patent troll for ATF (at RBs sole expense) or, now that the terms of the final settlement are agreed, will walk away from C&Ds where they really don't have a legitimate claim of infringement. I'm not going to fault RB for defending their patents from legitimate infringements. Just like anyone else that develops some cool new invention they should get the benefit of their ingenuity. OTOH if they continue to go out of their way to go after things like the SS where they don't have a legitimate claim of infringement they can eat a bag of forced reset dicks. |
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Quoted: The ARIZONA REGULATOR is a full bore Mil-Spec based system. Just as Stoner would have approved of. And it’s own thing. (ETA if Stoner had to work within our current federal laws to only have single function of the trigger like we have to do to keep them semi auto and legal. Not the automatic version he created ) The others are box/cartridge triggers. And their own thing. This new super safety rendition is kinda cool. And their own thing. RETRACTED That I hope they make a shit ton of them for America as ling at they worked out the issues with super safety that folks have posted about and read about on the interweb since those hit the scene a few years ago RETRACTED (ETA formal retraction of bolded text above. When I saw the item it looked like a cool concept that is hope works well and people can get them. Upon a bit of investigation it has surfaced that the addrsss for that site is based in the largest known location for scams and identity theft in the world. It’s so bad the The NY Times wrote an article about it and gave the same address that the site is registered to Make your own decisions but I must distance myself from any and or all previous positive statements about that item There is no good reason to host a site at the largest scam and identity theft hub in the world. Unless there is more to the story.... Proof is in the pudding. This is being posted for Consumer Protection. Make your own decisions. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/business/iceland-online-disinformation-identity-theft.html Published Oct. 9, 2024 Updated Oct. 15, 2024 The modern office building near the harbor in Iceland’s capital, Reykjavik, is best known as the home of the Icelandic Phallological Museum, which displays 320 specimens of mammal penises. To those who track cyber mischief, however, the building also has a reputation as a virtual offshore haven for some of the world’s worst perpetrators of identity theft, ransomware, disinformation, fraud and other wrongdoing. That’s because the museum’s street address, Kalkofnsvegur 2, is also the registered address for Withheld for Privacy, a company that is part of a booming and largely unregulated industry in Iceland and elsewhere that allows people who operate online domains to shield their identities. While the practice has become commonplace for website owners seeking to protect themselves from harassment or spam, it has also helped others cover their tracks from prying regulators, law enforcement officials or victims. Withheld for Privacy and other so-called proxy services have turned Iceland into a global hub for illicit activity far out of proportion to the country’s size. The company — created in 2021 by Namecheap, one of the world’s largest providers of websites — has effectively shielded tens of thousands of sketchy internet sites. Even local authorities said they had tried and failed to reach the company’s representatives when problems had arisen. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/1906030C-4692-45CC-AE20-661C2B00BDA0-3543223.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/E313EFCD-E580-4C3C-9A90-4EC17B9577E8-3543224.jpg Whois listing https://www.whois.com/whois/atrius.dev https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/8E0DC3C9-35CB-488D-B658-BE60065A563D-3543225.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/7D971F1A-2FBD-40BB-8409-FD6ABF2B99F3-3543236.jpg Quoted due to applicable retraction of prior thoughts on the this new rendition of Hoffman’s Super Safety upon deeper investigation I must retract previous positive statements (ETA damn autocorrect) (ETA 2 Hoffman’s design is not the sketchy part. He is a solid dude. The known scammer and identity theft location being the base of the new items site is questionable at best ) |
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Quoted: I searched and found them mentioned last year a few times, but not a lot of info. They just released a 3 position FRT that uses a selector switch for about $200. Looks interesting, and I am not huge fan of cross bolt safety, so the selector switch is very appealing. Instagram showing videos. https://atrius.dev/ They're in California but won't ship to California? Not today Mister ATF Man. |
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Quoted: The ARIZONA REGULATOR is a full bore Mil-Spec based system. Just as Stoner would have approved of. And it's own thing. (ETA if Stoner had to work within our current federal laws to only have single function of the trigger like we have to do to keep them semi auto and legal. Not the automatic version he created ) The others are box/cartridge triggers. And their own thing. This new super safety rendition is kinda cool. And their own thing. RETRACTED That I hope they make a shit ton of them for America as ling at they worked out the issues with super safety that folks have posted about and read about on the interweb since those hit the scene a few years ago RETRACTED (ETA formal retraction of bolded text above. When I saw the item it looked like a cool concept that is hope works well and people can get them. Upon a bit of investigation it has surfaced that the addrsss for that site is based in the largest known location for scams and identity theft in the world. It's so bad the The NY Times wrote an article about it and gave the same address that the site is registered to Make your own decisions but I must distance myself from any and or all previous positive statements about that item There is no good reason to host a site at the largest scam and identity theft hub in the world. Unless there is more to the story.... Proof is in the pudding. This is being posted for Consumer Protection. Make your own decisions. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/business/iceland-online-disinformation-identity-theft.html Published Oct. 9, 2024 Updated Oct. 15, 2024 The modern office building near the harbor in Iceland's capital, Reykjavik, is best known as the home of the Icelandic Phallological Museum, which displays 320 specimens of mammal penises. To those who track cyber mischief, however, the building also has a reputation as a virtual offshore haven for some of the world's worst perpetrators of identity theft, ransomware, disinformation, fraud and other wrongdoing. That's because the museum's street address, Kalkofnsvegur 2, is also the registered address for Withheld for Privacy, a company that is part of a booming and largely unregulated industry in Iceland and elsewhere that allows people who operate online domains to shield their identities. While the practice has become commonplace for website owners seeking to protect themselves from harassment or spam, it has also helped others cover their tracks from prying regulators, law enforcement officials or victims. Withheld for Privacy and other so-called proxy services have turned Iceland into a global hub for illicit activity far out of proportion to the country's size. The company created in 2021 by Namecheap, one of the world's largest providers of websites has effectively shielded tens of thousands of sketchy internet sites. Even local authorities said they had tried and failed to reach the company's representatives when problems had arisen. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/1906030C-4692-45CC-AE20-661C2B00BDA0-3543223.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/E313EFCD-E580-4C3C-9A90-4EC17B9577E8-3543224.jpg Whois listing https://www.whois.com/whois/atrius.dev https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/8E0DC3C9-35CB-488D-B658-BE60065A563D-3543225.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/7D971F1A-2FBD-40BB-8409-FD6ABF2B99F3-3543236.jpg Is it Atrius that is using the shady address? Seems like they list a US address. The Iceland address may be for the web registrar and doesn't have anything to do with Atrius. |
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Quoted: Is it Atrius that is using the shady address? Seems like they list a US address. The Iceland address may be for the web registrar and doesn't have anything to do with Atrius. Quoted: Quoted: The ARIZONA REGULATOR is a full bore Mil-Spec based system. Just as Stoner would have approved of. And it's own thing. (ETA if Stoner had to work within our current federal laws to only have single function of the trigger like we have to do to keep them semi auto and legal. Not the automatic version he created ) The others are box/cartridge triggers. And their own thing. This new super safety rendition is kinda cool. And their own thing. RETRACTED That I hope they make a shit ton of them for America as ling at they worked out the issues with super safety that folks have posted about and read about on the interweb since those hit the scene a few years ago RETRACTED (ETA formal retraction of bolded text above. When I saw the item it looked like a cool concept that is hope works well and people can get them. Upon a bit of investigation it has surfaced that the addrsss for that site is based in the largest known location for scams and identity theft in the world. It's so bad the The NY Times wrote an article about it and gave the same address that the site is registered to Make your own decisions but I must distance myself from any and or all previous positive statements about that item There is no good reason to host a site at the largest scam and identity theft hub in the world. Unless there is more to the story.... Proof is in the pudding. This is being posted for Consumer Protection. Make your own decisions. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/business/iceland-online-disinformation-identity-theft.html Published Oct. 9, 2024 Updated Oct. 15, 2024 The modern office building near the harbor in Iceland's capital, Reykjavik, is best known as the home of the Icelandic Phallological Museum, which displays 320 specimens of mammal penises. To those who track cyber mischief, however, the building also has a reputation as a virtual offshore haven for some of the world's worst perpetrators of identity theft, ransomware, disinformation, fraud and other wrongdoing. That's because the museum's street address, Kalkofnsvegur 2, is also the registered address for Withheld for Privacy, a company that is part of a booming and largely unregulated industry in Iceland and elsewhere that allows people who operate online domains to shield their identities. While the practice has become commonplace for website owners seeking to protect themselves from harassment or spam, it has also helped others cover their tracks from prying regulators, law enforcement officials or victims. Withheld for Privacy and other so-called proxy services have turned Iceland into a global hub for illicit activity far out of proportion to the country's size. The company created in 2021 by Namecheap, one of the world's largest providers of websites has effectively shielded tens of thousands of sketchy internet sites. Even local authorities said they had tried and failed to reach the company's representatives when problems had arisen. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/1906030C-4692-45CC-AE20-661C2B00BDA0-3543223.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/E313EFCD-E580-4C3C-9A90-4EC17B9577E8-3543224.jpg Whois listing https://www.whois.com/whois/atrius.dev https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/8E0DC3C9-35CB-488D-B658-BE60065A563D-3543225.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/7D971F1A-2FBD-40BB-8409-FD6ABF2B99F3-3543236.jpg Is it Atrius that is using the shady address? Seems like they list a US address. The Iceland address may be for the web registrar and doesn't have anything to do with Atrius. I dove into Atrius a while back. For a while they had a Florida address and a Billings, Montana phone number. I got curious because I recognized the Billings prefix and called asking if I could come to their office...they got weirded out that I knew the prefix and said they are in Florida. They had a registered agent out of California then. |
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Quoted: I dove into Atrius a while back. For a while they had a Florida address and a Billings, Montana phone number. I got curious because I recognized the Billings prefix and called asking if I could come to their office...they got weirded out that I knew the prefix and said they are in Florida. They had a registered agent out of California then. Sure. I'm not saying they're squeaky clean, just that I'm not sure. They do only list a PO Box instead of a physical address. |
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Quoted: Is it Atrius that is using the shady address? Seems like they list a US address. The Iceland address may be for the web registrar and doesn't have anything to do with Atrius. Quoted: Quoted: The ARIZONA REGULATOR is a full bore Mil-Spec based system. Just as Stoner would have approved of. And it's own thing. (ETA if Stoner had to work within our current federal laws to only have single function of the trigger like we have to do to keep them semi auto and legal. Not the automatic version he created ) The others are box/cartridge triggers. And their own thing. This new super safety rendition is kinda cool. And their own thing. RETRACTED That I hope they make a shit ton of them for America as ling at they worked out the issues with super safety that folks have posted about and read about on the interweb since those hit the scene a few years ago RETRACTED (ETA formal retraction of bolded text above. When I saw the item it looked like a cool concept that is hope works well and people can get them. Upon a bit of investigation it has surfaced that the addrsss for that site is based in the largest known location for scams and identity theft in the world. It's so bad the The NY Times wrote an article about it and gave the same address that the site is registered to Make your own decisions but I must distance myself from any and or all previous positive statements about that item There is no good reason to host a site at the largest scam and identity theft hub in the world. Unless there is more to the story.... Proof is in the pudding. This is being posted for Consumer Protection. Make your own decisions. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/business/iceland-online-disinformation-identity-theft.html Published Oct. 9, 2024 Updated Oct. 15, 2024 The modern office building near the harbor in Iceland's capital, Reykjavik, is best known as the home of the Icelandic Phallological Museum, which displays 320 specimens of mammal penises. To those who track cyber mischief, however, the building also has a reputation as a virtual offshore haven for some of the world's worst perpetrators of identity theft, ransomware, disinformation, fraud and other wrongdoing. That's because the museum's street address, Kalkofnsvegur 2, is also the registered address for Withheld for Privacy, a company that is part of a booming and largely unregulated industry in Iceland and elsewhere that allows people who operate online domains to shield their identities. While the practice has become commonplace for website owners seeking to protect themselves from harassment or spam, it has also helped others cover their tracks from prying regulators, law enforcement officials or victims. Withheld for Privacy and other so-called proxy services have turned Iceland into a global hub for illicit activity far out of proportion to the country's size. The company created in 2021 by Namecheap, one of the world's largest providers of websites has effectively shielded tens of thousands of sketchy internet sites. Even local authorities said they had tried and failed to reach the company's representatives when problems had arisen. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/1906030C-4692-45CC-AE20-661C2B00BDA0-3543223.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/E313EFCD-E580-4C3C-9A90-4EC17B9577E8-3543224.jpg Whois listing https://www.whois.com/whois/atrius.dev https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/8E0DC3C9-35CB-488D-B658-BE60065A563D-3543225.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/7D971F1A-2FBD-40BB-8409-FD6ABF2B99F3-3543236.jpg Is it Atrius that is using the shady address? Seems like they list a US address. The Iceland address may be for the web registrar and doesn't have anything to do with Atrius. There is no good reason to tie your gun parts business to the largest scam and identity theft location in the world That is what made me retract and drop it like a hot rock I did think it was cool to see another super safety rendition out there that folks can get But when it comes to anything sketchy I’m out Do not believe in operating that way. Thus will not let my good name and reputation I built over the past 8 years owning and operating Original Precision where I manufacture the lock delete for Smith revolvers and now with the addition of ARIZONA REGULATOR be associated with anything that is sketchy man |
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Quoted: There is no good reason to tie your gun parts business to the largest scam and identity theft location in the world That is what made me retract and drop it like a hot rock I did think it was cool to see another super safety rendition out there that folks can get But when it comes to anything sketchy I’m out Do not believe in operating that way. Thus will not let my good name and reputation I built over the past 8 years owning and operating Original Precision where I manufacture the lock delete for Smith revolvers and now with the addition of ARIZONA REGULATOR be associated with anything that is sketchy man To be fair, I did eventually have a short conversation with the Atrius dudes, including about their military service. At least on first glance they do in fact pass the sniff test in that regard. I wish them success. |
Nolo speaks out about the case. Failed To Load Title |
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This raises some questions. Like which obligations under the agreement remain in force after patent expiration? And why does the government care about patent enforcement (that is temporary in nature)? What's the government's plan for when the patent expires? |
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Quoted: No. So far all the designs I've seen have to have a full auto style carrier. Quoted: Quoted: Does this, or any of the various FRT products, work with semi-auto bolt carriers? Makes sense. The part of me that owns an MCR SA carrier wants it not to be true. |
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Quoted: Don't get too excited.  Part of the ruling in favor of Rarebreed stated that Rarebreed must strictly defend their patent. If that is true, it's basically the Gov's backdoor way of ensuring that there isn't an explosion of FRT designs on the market despite the ruling stating that FRTs are in legal compliance. They (gov) learned that lesson from the whole brace fiasco (look at the huge variety and availability of pistol braces). Grey Market Research posted a copy of the C&D letter they received. Basically only FR trigger groups made by (or licensed by) Rarebreed can exist because everything else is magically a very, very, very distant patent infringement. https://greymarketresearch.net/legal-defense-fund/ And everyone was shitting on Arizona Regulator for wanting to defend his patent. |
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Quoted: This raises some questions. Like which obligations under the agreement remain in force after patent expiration? And why does the government care about patent enforcement (that is temporary in nature)? What's the government's plan for when the patent expires? I just have this sinking sickening feeling it is all temporary. I feel like they are forcing them to enforce the patent and keep a monopoly, so when they finally get enough votes to pass the law to ban them, then they will only have one or two companies to shut down, instead of hundreds or thousands of them. |
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Quoted: I just have this sinking sickening feeling it is all temporary. I feel like they are forcing them to enforce the patent and keep a monopoly, so when they finally get enough votes to pass the law to ban them, then they will only have one or two companies to shut down, instead of hundreds or thousands of them. Quoted: Quoted: This raises some questions. Like which obligations under the agreement remain in force after patent expiration? And why does the government care about patent enforcement (that is temporary in nature)? What's the government's plan for when the patent expires? I just have this sinking sickening feeling it is all temporary. I feel like they are forcing them to enforce the patent and keep a monopoly, so when they finally get enough votes to pass the law to ban them, then they will only have one or two companies to shut down, instead of hundreds or thousands of them. That is exactly the plan. |
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Quoted: All ok if they try to kill the livelihood of others then? They do not own the idea. They can get bent for being assholes about it. I applaud them for what they have done legally. They are assholes for trying to ruin the entire world of FRTs for their own profits. Hell hath no fury like a grown man denied a toy. Admit it, If this was over a patent on an iron iron mining drill point you’d give less than a damn for the competitors and say that the company that invested in the design and testing that won the patent should win the claim. I’m not saying that RB’s patent is air tight (I don’t know-not an attorney), but they put the work in and deserve to have a day in court whether the DOJ wants them to or not. |
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Quoted: But the people who swooped in and started selling (and basically stealing RBT's customers) while RBT was tied up in court aren't assholes at all, right? Exactly that, and they are continuing to do it as RB spools up manufacture. Every day they are taking tens of thousands of dollars out of RB and their backer’s pockets. 6,000 Atrius triggers were sold the first day….that’s whet, 3 million dollars in equivalent RB product? |
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Quoted: Sure. I'm not saying they're squeaky clean, just that I'm not sure. They do only list a PO Box instead of a physical address. C’mon guys…. If you were going to spool up production of a device that makes guns basically act like NFA weapons and there were active court cases to determine if similar products were even going to be legal, would it be a little prudent to cover your tracks a bit? |
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Quoted: There is no good reason to tie your gun parts business to the largest scam and identity theft location in the world That is what made me retract and drop it like a hot rock I did think it was cool to see another super safety rendition out there that folks can get But when it comes to anything sketchy I’m out Do not believe in operating that way. Thus will not let my good name and reputation I built over the past 8 years owning and operating Original Precision where I manufacture the lock delete for Smith revolvers and now with the addition of ARIZONA REGULATOR be associated with anything that is sketchy man It’s sad to think that it wouldn’t surprise me if a bunch of scam sites other than RB popped up and the .gov did nothing to encourage the chilling effect on the market. |
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Quoted: This raises some questions. Like which obligations under the agreement remain in force after patent expiration? And why does the government care about patent enforcement (that is temporary in nature)? What's the government's plan for when the patent expires? Because they don’t want these sold for $20 in a NYC Bodega. |
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Quoted: Don't get too excited. Part of the ruling in favor of Rarebreed stated that Rarebreed must strictly defend their patent. If that is true, it's basically the Gov's backdoor way of ensuring that there isn't an explosion of FRT designs on the market despite the ruling stating that FRTs are in legal compliance. They (gov) learned that lesson from the whole brace fiasco (look at the huge variety and availability of pistol braces). Grey Market Research posted a copy of the C&D letter they received. Basically only FR trigger groups made by (or licensed by) Rarebreed can exist because everything else is magically a very, very, very distant patent infringement. https://greymarketresearch.net/legal-defense-fund/ Kinda hard to believe the .gov gives RB the opportunity to license their patent to others though... something smells fishy... |
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Quoted: @ben How far out are you on your FRT variant? You’ve always been a solid dude here, and you have always come across like a professional. I think a lot of us would rather support you, especially based on your track record. Thanks. My variant is still a few months out, because I refuse to release garbage and I have high expectations for it. Cheap - Quick - Good Choose two, right? I am going with cheap and good. That said, I am exploring options to fast track an alternative to RB. We will see. More soon. |
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Quoted: And everyone was shitting on Arizona Regulator for wanting to defend his patent. To be fair the Arizona regulator guy kinda comes in and shits up every forced reset thread then does a half page advertisement for his product. Off of that alone I will not be buying his product. It's like classic firearms emails that are aids to the email inbox but on a forum. |
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Quoted: Kinda hard to believe the .gov gives RB the opportunity to license their patent to others though... something smells fishy... Quoted: Quoted: Don't get too excited. Part of the ruling in favor of Rarebreed stated that Rarebreed must strictly defend their patent. If that is true, it's basically the Gov's backdoor way of ensuring that there isn't an explosion of FRT designs on the market despite the ruling stating that FRTs are in legal compliance. They (gov) learned that lesson from the whole brace fiasco (look at the huge variety and availability of pistol braces). Grey Market Research posted a copy of the C&D letter they received. Basically only FR trigger groups made by (or licensed by) Rarebreed can exist because everything else is magically a very, very, very distant patent infringement. https://greymarketresearch.net/legal-defense-fund/ Kinda hard to believe the .gov gives RB the opportunity to license their patent to others though... something smells fishy... Guess where Rare Breed is right now. |
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Quoted: The original rare breed likes to kink the safety block spring. I put little pins inside the spring on mine to prevent the issue. My favorite is the Tommy Trigger 3 position. Unfortunately ATF shut them down several years ago. I'm pretty sure their design violated rare breed's patents, so I don't expect them to come back. The DTT doesn't have as good of a feel as the Tommy Trigger, but it does work well. I'm not a huge fan of the push to side super safeties. They work well, but I've got years of experience using traditional selectors. The first Arizona Regulator, I felt it needed quite a bit of work to get fitted to the trigger. So I'm happy they've introduced the new version that's pre-fitted. The only downside now is that you have to pop the upper to swap in and out of forced reset mode. Really good design for anything you want to always be forced reset. Selektor/Dairyland Defense - feels great in semi auto, but some people are having timing issues with them. I would skip them as too many people have had problems. Ben has a new design coming. I'm looking forward to seeing how it works. Isn't Delta Team Tactical just reselling unmarked RBTs (as in, their FRT is actually made by Rarebreed)? I just went to the Dairyland website and it looks like they've pulled their RBT. ETA: just went to the fasttrigger site and it looks like they have an AK FRT for sale. |
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Quoted: Exactly that, and they are continuing to do it as RB spools up manufacture. Every day they are taking tens of thousands of dollars out of RB and their backer’s pockets. 6,000 Atrius triggers were sold the first day….that’s whet, 3 million dollars in equivalent RB product? That's BS! Rarebreed doesn't make an equivalent product! Their product is completetely different and doesn't even fit into some lower receivers that a super safety or Arizona regulator can fit into. Try putting a rarebreed trigger in A KS47 or WP47 lower and get back to us on how successful you are. It won't fit and neither will any other cassette style trigger. These other products are more versatile than Rare breed's product and can be adapted to other platforms Rare Breed's product cannot. Doe's Rare Breed make a .308 trigger? There are super safety's that work. Does Rare Breed's product work reliably in .22lr conversions? RB is doing this because they realize they've been left behind. The industry has moved on and other manufacturers now have superior products that are more flexible and innovative. It's also ridiculous to think that people who would buy a $100- $200 product would buy a $500+ product that doesn't perform any better and is actually less versatile. And the people who might buy the $500+ product would likely buy a lot fewer of them than they would the $100 -$200 product. So, there's no way you can conclude that everybody who buys these products would buy rare breed's. |
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Quoted: I just have this sinking sickening feeling it is all temporary. I feel like they are forcing them to enforce the patent and keep a monopoly, so when they finally get enough votes to pass the law to ban them, then they will only have one or two companies to shut down, instead of hundreds or thousands of them. Quoted: Quoted: This raises some questions. Like which obligations under the agreement remain in force after patent expiration? And why does the government care about patent enforcement (that is temporary in nature)? What's the government's plan for when the patent expires? I just have this sinking sickening feeling it is all temporary. I feel like they are forcing them to enforce the patent and keep a monopoly, so when they finally get enough votes to pass the law to ban them, then they will only have one or two companies to shut down, instead of hundreds or thousands of them. You'll know when the push comes to ban them. The complicit media will have non-stop articles and clips of them for months leading up to the vote in congress. Remember under obama when every day there was a drone flying over an airport runway in the news? Then his drone registration laws got passed and now you don't hardly hear a peep about them. The truth is they were never the threat they were made out to be. The government just wanted more control and tracking of them because they saw how much power drones could put in the public's hands. So you'll see a big media push against FRTs when they want to ban them, and they will keep it up until they scare enough soccer moms to drown out the gun rights organizations. There will be interviews with gun owning military vet and police fudds (an appeal to authority) that say nobody needs or should have this kind of firepower "on the streets" and the idiot masses will eat it up. |
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Quoted: But the people who swooped in and started selling (and basically stealing RBT's customers) while RBT was tied up in court aren't assholes at all, right? Quoted: Quoted: All ok if they try to kill the livelihood of others then? They do not own the idea. They can get bent for being assholes about it. I applaud them for what they have done legally. They are assholes for trying to ruin the entire world of FRTs for their own profits. But the people who swooped in and started selling (and basically stealing RBT's customers) while RBT was tied up in court aren't assholes at all, right? Lol, the SS design was and still is open source and FREE This is just folks paying someone to print or machine it for them, instead of DIY. |
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My two cents, not having watched Nolo's video above. I'm an unabashed fan of Delmonico, because he literally poked the hornets' nest. He took on the BIDEN ATF/DOJ, and won, which cannot be stated enough. If it's part of his agreement with DOJ that he MUST enforce his patent, and the Hoffman device (and others) bear no resemblance to the FRT15, then he's sending out all these demand letters knowing he can't win. Could he be doing this just to be able to tell the government he complied, and the courts ruled against him? I'm not in the market for yet another FRT, but I'm damn glad we have so many other options now. |
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Quoted: To be fair, I did eventually have a short conversation with the Atrius dudes, including about their military service. At least on first glance they do in fact pass the sniff test in that regard. I wish them success. When they did the first trigger they put out I wound up finding out they used to work for someone else and went out on their own and started the first trigger they made Good to go Just the location of registrar doesn’t pass sniff thus I had to retract my positive comments on it If they change up and remove ties from that sketchy Iceland location I’d have positive thoughts again Quoted: That is exactly the plan. I see it different from 40,000 feet Gov set rb up to get crucified Barred them from further development thus they are not the govs “chosen one” And requiring them to carry all attempts of patent enforcement of the 233 “graves to wolf to rb” derivation clear they to the end to achieve judgement. Not a settlement deal on any Action. They cannot settle any Action they initiate. They must carry thru to judgement the way I read it 223 will not weather the storm of all the prior art. Not to the extent they attempt to scare people with that’s for sure They only have the specific 223 version locking bar with spring and it’s motion. That’s it. (ETA maybe. I haven’t dug that deep in prior art as I did not need to since mine at minimum doesn’t use a locking bar ) Trigger housing iirc goes back to mossberg early on. And all the other FRT tech is in prior art. This creates them a serious problem in general Also take into consideration gov cannot take part in Sherman Anti Trust Crimes by means of being a coconspirator in Market Allocation Scheme(s) That is where gov wipes them off the map without a pen stroke Force reset was patented back in 1934 with a 1911 patent. Don’t have it in hand but there was a thread here where someone was good enough to go find it and post a link so everyone could get to it. That wipes out the “we own the industry bullshit” Then Roll back to Blakely US 7,398,723 then take that to its origins in Akins US 6,101,918 and Inskip US 4,023,465. Just to name a couple 723 Blakely is very important. That is the one they cite as the base for the 247 in the grey market CD It’s a mess but it’s also easily picked apart |
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Quoted: The Atrius is a selector instead of a trigger so I don't see how RB's patent could even hope to apply.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTqh_RdZOAII would be very interested in knowing your results and opinion once you have tried it out. Please make a thread on it! Well said. Quoted: The Atrius is a selector instead of a trigger so I don't see how RB's patent could even hope to apply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTqh_RdZOAIQuoted: I ordered one yesterday. Seems like a nice simple design. I would be very interested in knowing your results and opinion once you have tried it out. Please make a thread on it! Quoted: He was a hero. I really believe that. He enlisted himself in war for your firearm rights, and he took it hard to the face for it. The fact that he made 40 million dollars off it aside, still was a hero. But...then...at some point...after effectively becoming a POW...he made a deal with his captors to help control everyone else they want to have out of the picture in exchange for him going back into business. That is literally in their settlement agreement. Maybe he has been suing everyone under the sun with an FRT device, no matter how dissimilar it is to his, because that was how he got his business back from the .gov...a promise to destroy other FRT manufacturers and effectively become controlled opposition. Or maybe he really believes he should have a monopoly on FRT devices, including ones that predate his (the super safety) or are completely unrelated to his. Either way...he started out a hero...then went all Bowie Bergdahl on us. Not ok. No amount of early heroism excuses becoming the one who profits off a deal to become the prison camp guard directed bully so that they can deal with undesirables without having to take the direct blame. Well said. |
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Quoted: When they did the first trigger they put out I wound up finding out they used to work for someone else and went out on their own and started the first trigger they made Good to go Just the location of registrar doesn't pass sniff thus I had to retract my positive comments on it If they change up and remove ties from that sketchy Iceland location I'd have positive thoughts again I see it different from 40,000 feet Gov set rb up to get crucified Barred them from further development thus they are not the govs "chosen one" And requiring them to carry all attempts of patent enforcement of the 233 "graves to wolf to rb" derivation clear they to the end to achieve judgement. Not a settlement deal on any Action. They cannot settle any Action they initiate. They must carry thru to judgement the way I read it 223 will not weather the storm of all the prior art. Not to the extent they attempt to scare people with that's for sure They only have the specific 223 version locking bar with spring and it's motion. That's it. (ETA maybe. I haven't dug that deep in prior art as I did not need to since mine at minimum doesn't use a locking bar ) Trigger housing iirc goes back to mossberg early on. And all the other FRT tech is in prior art. This creates them a serious problem in general Also take into consideration gov cannot take part in Sherman Anti Trust Crimes by means of being a coconspirator in Market Allocation Scheme(s) That is where gov wipes them off the map without a pen stroke Force reset was patented back in 1934 with a 1911 patent. Don't have it in hand but there was a thread here where someone was good enough to go find it and post a link so everyone could get to it. That wipes out the "we own the industry bullshit" Then Roll back to Blakely US 7,398,723 then take that to its origins in Akins US 6,101,918 and Inskip US 4,023,465. Just to name a couple 723 Blakely is very important. That is the one they cite as the base for the 247 in the grey market CD It's a mess but it's also easily picked apart https://patents.google.com/patent/US2056975A/en |
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Quoted: It's a selector and not a trigger. No idea if passes muster in FL. Quoted: Quoted: Binary triggers not allowed in FL. How does this differ?  IIRC, Florida's law was something along the lines of "any device" that increases the rate of fire. This actually covered the slide fire and crank that was used on the 1919s and 10/22s so I would assume, this would fall under "any device". |
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