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Posted: 8/3/2017 5:55:59 PM EDT
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These clamp on no modification needed scopes for the k31, how good are they. do they hold zero? do they damage the weapon? as for the -03a3, I know they were the "sniper" variant. How accessible is the optics mount department for it? i want to put an optic on whatever I grab; but I don't want to do anything to the origionality of the gun. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 6:04:28 PM EDT
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Sniper version is the 03-A4. A real one is huge money. A fake one is big money. 
so any scope mount options for a non a4 that aren't bubbatastic? |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 6:08:00 PM EDT
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K31. There are gun experts that say, if you tried to build a replica K31 today. It would cost over 3,000 dollars.
They were expertly crafted. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 6:11:05 PM EDT
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I paid all of $85 for my K31 when they first came out, got it at Big 5 Sports. I got a St. Maries scope mount on sale, put a cheap Bushnell scope on the gun. I once managed a 0.43" group of five at 100 yds or so. I have a good bit of the GP11 ammo for the gun, but I've found that the Prvi 7.5x55 shoots pretty well in it too. Most bang for the buck of any gun I own.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 6:12:15 PM EDT
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Oh right... ooops
so any scope mount options for a non a4 that aren't bubbatastic? In any case, getting a scope on an 03 is much harder than getting one on a K31. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 7:05:08 PM EDT
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talk to me about price range for both. I am seeing a HUGE variation for both guns. i have no idea what im looking at.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 7:07:17 PM EDT
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I have both. I like both.
Get both. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 7:10:32 PM EDT
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Good condition K31 - Are pulling $500 pretty regularly on Gunbroker these days for nice ones. Gone are the $325 from AIM days.
Good condition 03-A3 - Start at $600 (More likely $700+) |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 8:20:37 PM EDT
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I have both as well. The 03A3 is nice but my favorite of the two is the K31.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 8:52:41 PM EDT
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Good condition K31 - Are pulling $500 pretty regularly on Gunbroker these days for nice ones. Gone are the $325 from AIM days. Good condition 03-A3 - Start at $600 (More likely $700+) |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 10:39:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:24:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2017 9:12:54 AM EDT
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I'd put the Argie '91 there too. Same sight issue, but the '91s are works of art. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An Argentine 1909 would debate the quality issue, but the sights are not as usable as Swiss sights. The one that IMO exceeds expectations is the Yugo M59. By no means is it in the same league as the K31, but it's surprising good, much better than the 59/66 conversions. The difficulty with the M59 is not only finding one that escaped conversion, but finding one that wasn't beaten. I must have looked over 25 before I selected mine. Dark Sun had a good stash for a few months. They evaporated as quickly as they showed up. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 10:38:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOh you bastard 
those dam Swiss rifles are beautiful 
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:34:05 PM EDT
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new questions, what do i look for in an gunbroker/armslist listing. i have never made a purchase from either site.
any other places that i should look? |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:51:18 PM EDT
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I paid all of $85 for my K31 when they first came out, got it at Big 5 Sports. I got a St. Maries scope mount on sale, put a cheap Bushnell scope on the gun. I once managed a 0.43" group of five at 100 yds or so. I have a good bit of the GP11 ammo for the gun, but I've found that the Prvi 7.5x55 shoots pretty well in it too. Most bang for the buck of any gun I own. Clerk even let me pick thru the pile to mate the best sling with the best rifle.  Beautiful gun!
And then I sold it.  Had the dies & everything; it all went. Great rifle, but then I have many great rifles. Was looking to cut down on clutter around the ranch, and I simply could not justify having this one rifle that took this one oddball caliber of ammo, that did not go into anything else I owned.  Curse the Swiss for not going NATO with everyone else; the fucking round is so close to 7.62 NATO as to not even matter, yet they are not interchangeable.
I kinda regret selling it, but not horribly. If you're not willing to adopt a cross-eyed stray that takes oddball ammo, stay far away from the K31. You can find thutty-aught-six admonition at The Mart Of Wal in every state; you will NEVER find 7.5 Swiss down there. Like, ever. Just my $.02, YMMV, the works.
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Posted: 8/6/2017 12:37:26 PM EDT
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You too, huh? Clerk even let me pick thru the pile to mate the best sling with the best rifle. Beautiful gun!
And then I sold it. Had the dies & everything; it all went. Great rifle, but then I have many great rifles. Was looking to cut down on clutter around the ranch, and I simply could not justify having this one rifle that took this one oddball caliber of ammo, that did not go into anything else I owned. Curse the Swiss for not going NATO with everyone else; the fucking round is so close to 7.62 NATO as to not even matter, yet they are not interchangeable.
I kinda regret selling it, but not horribly. If you're not willing to adopt a cross-eyed stray that takes oddball ammo, stay far away from the K31. You can find thutty-aught-six admonition at The Mart Of Wal in every state; you will NEVER find 7.5 Swiss down there. Like, ever. Just my $.02, YMMV, the works. where is the most reputable places to get a k31? |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 12:43:36 PM EDT
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ive seen a couple k11 and a case of ammo on gunbroker for 750 (buy it now). so thats not a terrible price. hmmm There are clamp on Diopter Sights available as well. The Buergin Device (left hand mod) is slicker than snot. Pricey but awesome 
On one of my walnuts with a St. Marie Graphic mount 
Some of mine 
One of my best shooters is a 96-11 (don't have pics of that or a few other additions) EDIT: Sent you a PM |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 1:12:39 PM EDT
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The K31 will continues to rise in value. First one I bought was at a Big 5 store ~120. Manager let me pick through several. They had a "broken one" someone had disassembled the bolt and could not reassemble it. Like a nice guy I put it back together, should have made an offer for the "broke one" and then one day they were no more.
The workmanship could not be economically duplicated today. No machining marks. Reloading is relatively simple as it uses .30 caliber bullets, virgin brass is available from Grafs, uses large primers. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 1:26:51 PM EDT
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Guess which one I like!
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Posted: 8/6/2017 1:45:55 PM EDT
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I picked the 03A3 because I already have a K31. Ammo is back in stock at a couple places. I have 2 cases stockpiled but reload for it. The first time I shot a K31 I was bit bad by the bug and got a decent deal on mine. $325 and got 3 boxes of PPU with it. I love my K31, Mojo sights makes it really shine. The O3A3 sights make it easy to shoot.
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Posted: 8/6/2017 2:08:28 PM EDT
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You can't put the St. Marie clamp on mount on the K11, 1911, or 96-11's. Only the K31's There are clamp on Diopter Sights available as well. The Buergin Device (left hand mod) is slicker than snot. Pricey but awesome http://newphillysports.com/milsurp/B1.jpg On one of my walnuts with a St. Marie Graphic mount http://newphillysports.com/milsurp/0~bucket/Swiss/LH1.jpg Some of mine http://newphillysports.com/milsurp/0~bucket/Swiss/Swiss_Family_2.jpg One of my best shooters is a 96-11 (don't have pics of that or a few other additions) EDIT: Sent you a PM 
god dammit... now i have the bug.... 
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:28:46 PM EDT
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What you guys know about Cogunsales.com?
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:54:50 PM EDT
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Is the going price right now 700-800?
Just got off the phone with Cogunsales, and that's what they are asking... auctions don't seem to be that far off either...
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Posted: 8/10/2017 2:18:31 PM EDT
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03A3.
Made in the US, carried by US Army and Marines. I can buy ammo for it at any store that sells ammo. Then I can reload the brass with standard components that are also easy to come by. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 2:21:51 PM EDT
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Is the going price right now 700-800?
Just got off the phone with Cogunsales, and that's what they are asking... auctions don't seem to be that far off either... However, these are pretty much all secondary market any more (there are no large stocks left in Switzerland), so they're pretty much worth whatever the market will bear. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 4:19:17 PM EDT
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Ok, sticker shock subsiding. Looks like armslist listings are not nearly so bad.
As best eat as I can tell, current market is somewhere between 400-800 depending on "grade" 800 being a "you better be museum quality" condition. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 4:24:53 PM EDT
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I have both you need to get both 
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Posted: 8/10/2017 4:39:00 PM EDT
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Same here |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:04:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:05:56 PM EDT
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Notice how the K31 has neutral balance, right in front of the magazine where the grip cutout is in the stock
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:41:44 PM EDT
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Notice how the K31 has neutral balance, right in front of the magazine where the grip cutout is in the stock those yours?
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Posted: 8/10/2017 9:34:48 PM EDT
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At one time, yes. I used to live 20 minutes from AIM and they were $60 each
most are gone now
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Posted: 8/10/2017 9:36:52 PM EDT
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I own both. The K31 comes out way more often. K31 all the way.
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Posted: 8/10/2017 9:40:32 PM EDT
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These clamp on no modification needed scopes for the k31, how good are they. do they hold zero? do they damage the weapon? as for the -03a3, I know they were the "sniper" variant. How accessible is the optics mount department for it? i want to put an optic on whatever I grab; but I don't want to do anything to the origionality of the gun. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 10:37:17 PM EDT
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At one time, yes. I used to live 20 minutes from AIM and they were $60 each most are gone now how many did you keep
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Posted: 8/10/2017 10:53:21 PM EDT
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god i wish i was 20 years older... ill be 30 next year... and wishing i had gotten into guns and on here earlier.... how many did you keep |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:02:12 AM EDT
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Trade you 20 years for the lot of my milsurps, and I have some good stuff! |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 8:01:24 PM EDT
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i fent....
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Posted: 8/18/2017 12:37:01 PM EDT
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i fent....  All those in favor of giving a timeout to members that say this and then don't post pix say "Aye!".
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Posted: 8/18/2017 12:47:15 PM EDT
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Go with the K31. Very accurate rifles with great triggers. Personally, I find the 1903 distinctly unpleasant to shoot.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 1:15:35 PM EDT
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An 03A3 with a C stock is the better match rifle. I say this having shot both in competition. In regards to mechanical accuracy, an 03A3 with a quality barrel is about equal IMO. K31 is a cooler rifle (obviously IMO).
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:57:42 PM EDT
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All those in favor of giving a timeout to members that say this and then don't post pix say "Aye!".
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