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Posted: 3/1/2011 6:51:26 PM EDT
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It required a Bachelor's Degree, 8 years of experience and training in my field, and plenty of networking to land my union position. YMMV.
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Posted: 3/1/2011 6:53:40 PM EDT
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here is how i see it.. if they were skilled like plumbers and the like.. < trades > they could get a job anywhere.. anytime.. more power to em.. congrats. i envy them... and i tip my hat to them. but the majority can not get a job somewhere else making to the same money ,, that tells me thier "skills" are lacking., that should sum it up while not being ugly about it Unfortunately most skilled trades pay far less to non union workers. In my trade, at least $10/hour, +benefits. Doesn't have anything to do with "skills". I can guarantee you that as I worked non union prior to working for a union shop and have worked on many jobs with a mix of both. Where I am at anyway. YMMV. You're 100% correct. I can work in SC as a foreman in a non-union company and make $15/hour with no benefits or I can work out of state as a Journeyman, and not as a foreman, and make $35.84/hour with benefits working for a Union company. Union Foremans make a $1 more an hour for every 5 guys under them. To me that's a no brainer. I don't mind being away from home for extended periods. The UNINFORMED HATERS here want to lump all Unions together and the fact is they are not the same even in the different Trade Unions. As far as education goes, I'm a High School graduate, an Army Veteran and have completed a 4 year apprenticeship plus way over 100 hours of classes in crane rigging, safety and OSHA certifications. So wait, you're saying that you have no problem with a union forcing companies to pay 35$/hr for someone to do a job that's worth 15$/hr? If you can't perform your job on a union construction site to expected performance for that wage, you WILL be run off the job. If you are eligible to earn that wage though, it requires a minimum of a 4-5 year apprenticeship (depending on the trade) and ungodly amounts of safety training. In other words, when they pay that wage, they know what kind of quality they are getting and if they feel they aren't worth it, they are gone with no questions asked. ETA- at least that is how it works around here in Kansas City. |
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Posted: 3/1/2011 7:09:54 PM EDT
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I dont know a single union member who has Masters or Doctorate degree. Does any of you?
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Posted: 3/1/2011 7:13:37 PM EDT
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I dont know a single union member who has Masters or Doctorate degree. Does any of you? Yes, I know a shitload of teachers with Masters and many with doctorates as well. In your face. |
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Posted: 3/1/2011 7:22:18 PM EDT
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I dont know a single union member who has Masters or Doctorate degree. Does any of you? Maybe some teachers.....but that's it. |
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Posted: 3/1/2011 7:44:32 PM EDT
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I dont know a single union member who has Masters or Doctorate degree. Does any of you? Yes, I know a shitload of teachers with Masters and many with doctorates as well. In your face. Looking at signs they hold in Wisconsin, one would come to a conclusion some of those teachers never made to high school. |
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Posted: 3/1/2011 7:45:33 PM EDT
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Troll thread. Out.
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Posted: 3/1/2011 8:07:54 PM EDT
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After all the talk of unions lately, and after watching all of the "Union Thug" videos that everyone has been posting up.....it just seems like the majority of the Pro Union guys you see really don't act, look, or carry themselves like educated people. The "thugs" all look like burned out bikers and rough guys that only know how to yell, scream, and rough people up......but as soon as anyone tries to have an educated conversation with them, it's obvious that they are idiots. Don't get me wrong, I have several friends that are great guys, smart, educated, but just happened to have a job that forces them to be Union. But I also know tons of union guys that I don't think could carry on an educated conversation if their lives depended on it. They just do what they are told, and trust the Union to tell them what is right and wrong. I'm just saying that the "majority" of Union members seem to be pretty uneducated people...........am I way out of line for saying that?? 
You see what you want to see. 
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Posted: 3/2/2011 6:24:58 AM EDT
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Troll thread. Out. So any post that may get two very different reactions/opinions is a "troll thread"? If you say so......
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Posted: 3/2/2011 1:05:15 PM EDT
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Withen the same occupational field I doubt there is a significant difference in the education of union members versus non-union members.
A Union cop and a non-Union cop are probably going to have simular educations. A union bus driver and a non-union bus driver are probably going to have simular educations. The one place it might be different is in skilled trades. Where the union enforces certain continuing education requirements. In those instances the union tradesman is likely to be better educated that the little brown guy from the home depot parking lot. |
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Posted: 3/2/2011 1:06:35 PM EDT
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Where I work in the MD DC and NOVA area, Trade Union members are better educated than the non-Union Tradesmen. Not only in their skill sets but safety also. I expected this would be true. The trade unions usually have standards that the "handymen" and illegals don't meet. |
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Posted: 3/2/2011 1:09:25 PM EDT
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Plenty of college educated government employees in unions. Especially the youngsters. I get trainees with masters degrees now. Yet I still find typos and spelling errors in their reports. C'mon, you guys have seem MY spelling 
Good thing the station computers have spell check. |
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Posted: 3/2/2011 1:10:32 PM EDT
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I dont know a single union member who has Masters or Doctorate degree. Does any of you? Several. |
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Posted: 3/2/2011 1:10:48 PM EDT
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I dont know a single union member who has Masters or Doctorate degree. Does any of you? Maybe some teachers.....but that's it. Cops as well. |
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Posted: 3/3/2011 3:06:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: I was leaving a jail one night and saw a guy I know who is a State Police major (colonel? some high sounding rank) standing around outside in his street clothesQuoted: Plenty of college educated government employees in unions. Especially the youngsters. I get trainees with masters degrees now. Yet I still find typos and spelling errors in their reports. C'mon, you guys have seem MY spelling Good thing the station computers have spell check.  He said that a college had a program for cops to get their MBA (or maybe it was MPA) at night classes and that the classes were given at night in a room at the jail/admin/court facility. He said there were a bunch of guys in his class. |
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Posted: 3/3/2011 4:15:23 AM EDT
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Plenty of college educated government employees in unions. I am Fed Gov Union: BS College Education My Wife is State Gov Union: Graduate Education So, I say poll fail. |
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Posted: 3/3/2011 4:17:47 AM EDT
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I dont know a single union member who has Masters or Doctorate degree. Does any of you? Maybe some teachers.....but that's it. You need your Masters within a couple of years of becoming a teacher, so thats almost all teachers teaching above the elementary level. Quoted:
Withen the same occupational field I doubt there is a significant difference in the education of union members versus non-union members. A Union cop and a non-Union cop are probably going to have simular educations. . Its going to vary. many agencies still require only a HS diploma. many agencies have gone to a minimum of a 2 year degree. Some are requiring a 4 year degree. To move up the chain you're generally required to have a higher level of education. Same applies in the military anymore, especially as an officer. |
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Posted: 3/3/2011 4:27:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The thugs you see making a fool of themselves don't represent the entire group. It's not the majority that you see, you see the minority which happen to be assholes, criminals, and shitheads who go and do these types of things. The majority are just people who want to go along with life. So why do the high up Union member stock the rally s with these types of people? Do they think that makes them look good? Why not educated people that know the issues at hand, and know how to make, prove, and defend their points? Maybe the educated people know that there really isn't anything productive to do at a rally. Maybe they understand that they don't need a $3 raise, it would be better to keep their jobs instead of the plant closing. From the inside I could tell you that the smarter and more skilled people very rarely talk about union dealings at all, it's always the slugs who are bringing up the union shit because they need it to survive. A whole bunch of the above! Deres idiots everywhere. |
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Posted: 3/4/2011 12:10:21 PM EDT
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I dont know a single union member who has Masters or Doctorate degree. Does any of you? I'm not sure what degree the guy had but I worked with an electrician who was in charge of the data center telecomm. work for Eli Lilly corporate center. I really don't know why he worked there at all because several years earlier he wrote some sort of software that had something to do with F1 racing. Some sort of timing shit. He would routinely fly to races overseas not on his own coin. Several UNION members in the office of the company I work for have advanced degrees in electrical engineering. I am pretty sure that is common. Just because they work in the office doesn't mean they are not union members. Hell the owners of my company are union electricians and have business degrees of some sort. Pretty sure that's common in most trades. |
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Posted: 3/4/2011 12:14:48 PM EDT
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The thugs you see making a fool of themselves don't represent the entire group. It's not the majority that you see, you see the minority which happen to be assholes, criminals, and shitheads who go and do these types of things. The majority are just people who want to go along with life. So why do the high up Union member stock the rally s with these types of people? Do they think that makes them look good? Why not educated people that know the issues at hand, and know how to make, prove, and defend their points? Maybe the educated people know that there really isn't anything productive to do at a rally. Maybe they understand that they don't need a $3 raise, it would be better to keep their jobs instead of the plant closing. From the inside I could tell you that the smarter and more skilled people very rarely talk about union dealings at all, it's always the slugs who are bringing up the union shit because they need it to survive. A whole bunch of the above! Deres idiots everywhere. That's just not true at all! The smarter union members I know are always bitching about all the political bs their union does and the just wish the slugs would foad. |
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Posted: 3/16/2011 4:53:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2011 5:05:33 PM EDT
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Most union members I've known have been borderline retarded. Of the ones I know, they can only do one job and don't seek higher or other education/trade to do something else. That is why we have the UAW why bother getting BA/AS or Masters, when you will get promoted or get a big pay raise without it? do your 20 years and get to retire with full pension often times getting more than made or put in to the pension. However I can pretty much say that this goes for most of the population which includes non-union as well. I've met some really stupid people-the kind that would put a fork into an electrical socket to fish something out of it. 
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