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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:06:08 PM EDT
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Must be philosophical, because I don't consider seismic design, wind design, etc., to be "extravagances". It's like you read my mind. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:10:09 PM EDT
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My answer wasn't wrong. Not my fault you all don't know what's going on. Basically, all the help OP got here was a bunch of people piping in to say they're an engineer, followed by a fancy explanation to cover the fact that they haven't a clue how to even approach OP's problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and the advice was flat wrong to the point of being potentially deadly Wasn't that the thread where somebody tried to size a beam based on deflection only? Because shear, moment, bending stress, etc was for suckers? Got all pissy when called on it, then admitted they were really wastewater eng? I remember that thread... 
ETA: asked and answered, doh! My answer wasn't wrong. Not my fault you all don't know what's going on. Basically, all the help OP got here was a bunch of people piping in to say they're an engineer, followed by a fancy explanation to cover the fact that they haven't a clue how to even approach OP's problem. Your answer was completely and totally wrong in every possible way the design formula you presented addressed serviceability, not load capacity you know virtually nothing about structural engineering at all and you're too dumb to know it most civils who don't do structural engineering are at least smart enough to not display the fact that they don't know what they're talking about but not you If I can figure out who you are, I'm going to report you to your state board because you are a danger to the public |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:11:40 PM EDT
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Best to weed out the crap advice early on things like this. Expansive soils (if that's what the OP has), can cause very costly problems down the road. getting back on topic I'd say about 75% of the structural failures I've seen in my life are related to foundation settlement you need to get the thing designed properly |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:12:34 PM EDT
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Your answer was completely and totally wrong in every possible way the design formula you presented was related serviceability, not load capacity you know virtually nothing about structural engineering at all and you're too dumb to know it most civils who don't do structural engineering are at least smart enough to not display the fact that they don't know what they're talking about but not you If I can figure out who you are, I'm going to report you to your state board because you are a danger to the public Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and the advice was flat wrong to the point of being potentially deadly Wasn't that the thread where somebody tried to size a beam based on deflection only? Because shear, moment, bending stress, etc was for suckers? Got all pissy when called on it, then admitted they were really wastewater eng? I remember that thread...
ETA: asked and answered, doh! My answer wasn't wrong. Not my fault you all don't know what's going on. Basically, all the help OP got here was a bunch of people piping in to say they're an engineer, followed by a fancy explanation to cover the fact that they haven't a clue how to even approach OP's problem. Your answer was completely and totally wrong in every possible way the design formula you presented was related serviceability, not load capacity you know virtually nothing about structural engineering at all and you're too dumb to know it most civils who don't do structural engineering are at least smart enough to not display the fact that they don't know what they're talking about but not you If I can figure out who you are, I'm going to report you to your state board because you are a danger to the public Do you use the same care toward grammar on your professional correspondences? You sound as dramatic as an 8th grader. It's hard to believe you are actually mature enough to handle multi-million dollar projects. And you have never impressed me once on this site with your "engineering skills." Not once dude. It's actually laughable most of the time. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:14:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:14:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you use the same care toward grammar on your professional correspondences? You sound as dramatic as an 8th grader. It's hard to believe you are actually mature enough to handle multi-million dollar projects. And you have never impressed me once on this site with your "engineering skills." Not once dude. It's actually laughable most of the time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: and the advice was flat wrong to the point of being potentially deadly Wasn't that the thread where somebody tried to size a beam based on deflection only? Because shear, moment, bending stress, etc was for suckers? Got all pissy when called on it, then admitted they were really wastewater eng? I remember that thread... ETA: asked and answered, doh! My answer wasn't wrong. Not my fault you all don't know what's going on. Basically, all the help OP got here was a bunch of people piping in to say they're an engineer, followed by a fancy explanation to cover the fact that they haven't a clue how to even approach OP's problem. Your answer was completely and totally wrong in every possible way the design formula you presented was related serviceability, not load capacity you know virtually nothing about structural engineering at all and you're too dumb to know it most civils who don't do structural engineering are at least smart enough to not display the fact that they don't know what they're talking about but not you If I can figure out who you are, I'm going to report you to your state board because you are a danger to the public Do you use the same care toward grammar on your professional correspondences? You sound as dramatic as an 8th grader. It's hard to believe you are actually mature enough to handle multi-million dollar projects. And you have never impressed me once on this site with your "engineering skills." Not once dude. It's actually laughable most of the time. Please. Just stop. Think of the children. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:15:48 PM EDT
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Please. Just stop. Think of the children. He drew first blood. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:16:59 PM EDT
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Your answer was completely and totally wrong in every possible way the design formula you presented was related serviceability, not load capacity you know virtually nothing about structural engineering at all and you're too dumb to know it most civils who don't do structural engineering are at least smart enough to not display the fact that they don't know what they're talking about but not you If I can figure out who you are, I'm going to report you to your state board because you are a danger to the public Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and the advice was flat wrong to the point of being potentially deadly Wasn't that the thread where somebody tried to size a beam based on deflection only? Because shear, moment, bending stress, etc was for suckers? Got all pissy when called on it, then admitted they were really wastewater eng? I remember that thread...
ETA: asked and answered, doh! My answer wasn't wrong. Not my fault you all don't know what's going on. Basically, all the help OP got here was a bunch of people piping in to say they're an engineer, followed by a fancy explanation to cover the fact that they haven't a clue how to even approach OP's problem. Your answer was completely and totally wrong in every possible way the design formula you presented was related serviceability, not load capacity you know virtually nothing about structural engineering at all and you're too dumb to know it most civils who don't do structural engineering are at least smart enough to not display the fact that they don't know what they're talking about but not you If I can figure out who you are, I'm going to report you to your state board because you are a danger to the public Just a word of caution. I was warned by staff in the last thread for saying a similar thing (instead of saying "I will" I said "I sorta wish"). Hate to see anybody else getting in trouble over this troll's antics. Of course since then I've seen threads where staff says it's okay to say "i believe I'd be tempted to kill your kid," so I honestly have no idea what is kosher and what isn't. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:17:41 PM EDT
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Well dang this thread probably won't even make it to the 5 pages the last one with VBC in it went too. I am dissapoint.
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:19:53 PM EDT
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Just a word of caution. I was warned by staff in the last thread for saying a similar thing (instead of saying "I will" I said "I sorta wish"). Hate to see anybody else getting in trouble over this troll's antics. Of course since then I've seen threads where staff says it's okay to say "i believe I'd be tempted to kill your kid," so I honestly have no idea what is kosher and what isn't. cyborg is a funny guy. I can see it now when he calls the state regulatory board all foaming at the mouth, saying some guy is giving engineering advice that he doesn't agree with on an internet gun forum. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:21:02 PM EDT
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who the fuck would pretend to be a structural engineer on the internet? wouldn't that be kind of weird? George Costanza |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:22:31 PM EDT
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My answer wasn't wrong. Not my fault you all don't know what's going on. Basically, all the help OP got here was a bunch of people piping in to say they're an engineer, followed by a fancy explanation to cover the fact that they haven't a clue how to even approach OP's problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and the advice was flat wrong to the point of being potentially deadly Wasn't that the thread where somebody tried to size a beam based on deflection only? Because shear, moment, bending stress, etc was for suckers? Got all pissy when called on it, then admitted they were really wastewater eng? I remember that thread...
ETA: asked and answered, doh! My answer wasn't wrong. Not my fault you all don't know what's going on. Basically, all the help OP got here was a bunch of people piping in to say they're an engineer, followed by a fancy explanation to cover the fact that they haven't a clue how to even approach OP's problem. Oh Jesus. I remember that thread, and I stayed out of it because of all that. Any good engineer isn't going to pretend that they can give you a good answer for an open ended question like the one presented in the linked thread or this one. There are simply too many variables. SO, the options are: 1) Ignore the thread and 2) Give the person asking the questions the resources to investigate the problem and solve it themselves. If you're willing to put your professional reputation (remember, this is a reputation whose abuse can land you in jail as an engineer) on the line by answering a random question on the internet for which you don't possess all of the variables, you are an idiot. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:22:41 PM EDT
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cyborg is a funny guy. I can see it now when he calls the state regulatory board all foaming at the mouth, saying some guy is giving engineering advice that he doesn't agree with on an internet gun forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just a word of caution. I was warned by staff in the last thread for saying a similar thing (instead of saying "I will" I said "I sorta wish"). Hate to see anybody else getting in trouble over this troll's antics. Of course since then I've seen threads where staff says it's okay to say "i believe I'd be tempted to kill your kid," so I honestly have no idea what is kosher and what isn't. cyborg is a funny guy. I can see it now when he calls the state regulatory board all foaming at the mouth, saying some guy is giving engineering advice that he doesn't agree with on an internet gun forum. something you should have read And yes, your exact behaviour is covered in there. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:26:19 PM EDT
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution.
Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:26:52 PM EDT
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Do you use the same care toward grammar on your professional correspondences? You sound as dramatic as an 8th grader. It's hard to believe you are actually mature enough to handle multi-million dollar projects. And you have never impressed me once on this site with your "engineering skills." Not once dude. It's actually laughable most of the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and the advice was flat wrong to the point of being potentially deadly Wasn't that the thread where somebody tried to size a beam based on deflection only? Because shear, moment, bending stress, etc was for suckers? Got all pissy when called on it, then admitted they were really wastewater eng? I remember that thread...
ETA: asked and answered, doh! My answer wasn't wrong. Not my fault you all don't know what's going on. Basically, all the help OP got here was a bunch of people piping in to say they're an engineer, followed by a fancy explanation to cover the fact that they haven't a clue how to even approach OP's problem. Your answer was completely and totally wrong in every possible way the design formula you presented was related serviceability, not load capacity you know virtually nothing about structural engineering at all and you're too dumb to know it most civils who don't do structural engineering are at least smart enough to not display the fact that they don't know what they're talking about but not you If I can figure out who you are, I'm going to report you to your state board because you are a danger to the public Do you use the same care toward grammar on your professional correspondences? You sound as dramatic as an 8th grader. It's hard to believe you are actually mature enough to handle multi-million dollar projects. And you have never impressed me once on this site with your "engineering skills." Not once dude. It's actually laughable most of the time. don't be so defensive you fucked up royally and that's that learn from it and move on with your life the only reason I keep dogging you is because you're stubborn about it I have a moral obligation to the public to not let them get crushed we are involved in a very serious profession this is nothing to play around with you don't pull your junior year steel textbook off the shelf and start typing half-understood formulas onto the internet most civil engineers respect the structural guys and they take pains to not reveal how clueless they are about structural engineering maybe you should take a page from that book |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:28:15 PM EDT
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Just a word of caution. I was warned by staff in the last thread for saying a similar thing (instead of saying "I will" I said "I sorta wish"). Hate to see anybody else getting in trouble over this troll's antics. Of course since then I've seen threads where staff says it's okay to say "i believe I'd be tempted to kill your kid," so I honestly have no idea what is kosher and what isn't. cyborg is a funny guy. I can see it now when he calls the state regulatory board all foaming at the mouth, saying some guy is giving engineering advice that he doesn't agree with on an internet gun forum. something you should have read And yes, your exact behaviour is covered in there. Horse shit. Posting the list of general ethics from NSPE doesn't prove I didn't anything wrong. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:28:47 PM EDT
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Just a word of caution. I was warned by staff in the last thread for saying a similar thing (instead of saying "I will" I said "I sorta wish"). Hate to see anybody else getting in trouble over this troll's antics. Of course since then I've seen threads where staff says it's okay to say "i believe I'd be tempted to kill your kid," so I honestly have no idea what is kosher and what isn't. cyborg is a funny guy. I can see it now when he calls the state regulatory board all foaming at the mouth, saying some guy is giving engineering advice that he doesn't agree with on an internet gun forum. something you should have read And yes, your exact behaviour is covered in there. My state organization, LAPELS, has a periodical in which they publicly shame people and businesses who have misrepresented themselves in an engineering capacity. The engineering profession operates under a code of ethics enforceable by law for a reason. People can get hurt. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:30:24 PM EDT
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. Just stop. Really. Before you get someone killed. You make my head hurt reading your incoherent and ignorant ramblings. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:31:18 PM EDT
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. As a "professional," that is reckless, particularly when representing yourself as an authority on a subject (i.e. I'm an engineer, and the answer is X). |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:32:39 PM EDT
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Just stop. Really. Before you get someone killed. You make my head hurt reading your incoherent and ignorant ramblings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anonymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. Just stop. Really. Before you get someone killed. You make my head hurt reading your incoherent and ignorant ramblings. It's only incoherent if you don't understand what I'm saying. Your engineering prowess never really impressed me either. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:35:32 PM EDT
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As a "professional," that is reckless, particularly when representing yourself as an authority on a subject (i.e. I'm an engineer, and the answer is X). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. As a "professional," that is reckless, particularly when representing yourself as an authority on a subject (i.e. I'm an engineer, and the answer is X). The bottom line is that I gave a safe answer. Has anybody shown that my answer would create an unsafe situation? No. Because it won't. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:35:33 PM EDT
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Proverbs 26:4 up in this bitch.
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:35:33 PM EDT
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. you go right ahead and do that, be sure to give them a link to the thread where you gave advice based on a formula you admitted was pulled from a textbook for convenience and not because it actually answered the question. All of your questionable behaviour is spelled out for you in a code you are supposed to be familiar with and abide by. I would urge you to read it, keep in mind that I did not select this reference because it happened to be on a shelf near me and I mistakenly thought it was relevent. Also, coming from one so concerned with the writings of others, the part in red is downright laughable. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:37:01 PM EDT
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It's only incoherent if you don't understand what I'm saying. It's incoherent because you don't understand what you're saying. Your engineering prowess never really impressed me either. That would only be relevant if you had paid me. Wow, you are very dangerous. To yourself, and those around you. I'm done with this ignorant troll. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:37:12 PM EDT
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It's only incoherent if you don't understand what I'm saying. Your engineering prowess never really impressed me either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anonymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. Just stop. Really. Before you get someone killed. You make my head hurt reading your incoherent and ignorant ramblings. It's only incoherent if you don't understand what I'm saying. Your engineering prowess never really impressed me either. This is also covered in the code of ethics I posted for you. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:38:11 PM EDT
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. what you wrote in that old thread was 100% completely wrong this isn't some court case about racism where the answer depends on which lawyer can bullshit the jury the most the proper method to design a simple span is known to all (except you) the topic was "how to design a simple span rolled steel beam properly" anyone who knows anything at all about structural engineering would know that the answer that you supplied was incorrect you supplied the guy with a formula for beam deflection and you even fucked that up, you explained it wrong, you didn't even know what the terms in the equation stand for. and you made up an arbitrary deflection limit. the perfect storm of not knowing jack shit whether or not you can get in legal trouble, you presented yourself as an engineer and instructed the guy incorrectly what the fuck is wrong with you? can't you just go back to your salmon and Johnson and read the whole chapter and at least understand how to design a simple span with a point load? before you play the expert |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:38:59 PM EDT
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What the heck happened to my thread?
Anyway, found an engineering firm that does "geotechnical testing", and the guy knows my area pretty well. He said most likely I won't be able to do a footing and short pier. Rather the piers will have to go deep enough the hit some limestone or shale, usually in the 18-25 foot range. They come out and bore holes to find it. Then give report. Cost around $2500. Next, I'll have to get a structural engineer to help work up the number of piers, and the beam arrangement. Not sure what that cost? When it's built, they bore the holes to the required depth, lower some reinforcing steel and fill them with concrete, and it's ready to build the house. Everybody is telling me I should do a post-tensions waffle slab, but I don't want that. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:40:26 PM EDT
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you go right ahead and do that, be sure to give them a link to the thread where you gave advice based on a formula you admitted was pulled from a textbook for convenience and not because it actually answered the question. All of your questionable behaviour is spelled out for you in a code you are supposed to be familiar with and abide by. I would urge you to read it, keep in mind that I did not select this reference because it happened to be on a shelf near me and I mistakenly thought it was relevent. Also, coming from one so concerned with the writings of others, the part in red is downright laughable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. you go right ahead and do that, be sure to give them a link to the thread where you gave advice based on a formula you admitted was pulled from a textbook for convenience and not because it actually answered the question. All of your questionable behaviour is spelled out for you in a code you are supposed to be familiar with and abide by. I would urge you to read it, keep in mind that I did not select this reference because it happened to be on a shelf near me and I mistakenly thought it was relevent. Also, coming from one so concerned with the writings of others, the part in red is downright laughable. I did not randomly pick an equation out of convenience. I applied that specific equation because it could model the problem that was posed. I stand behind me answer as a safe answer. I'm sorry that you guys can't see it that way. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:42:12 PM EDT
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What the heck happened to my thread? Anyway, found an engineering firm that does "geotechnical testing", and the guy knows my area pretty well. He said most likely I won't be able to do a footing and short pier. Rather the piers will have to go deep enough the hit some limestone or shale, usually in the 18-25 foot range. They come out and bore holes to find it. Then give report. Cost around $2500. Next, I'll have to get a structural engineer to help work up the number of piers, and the beam arrangement. Not sure what that cost? When it's built, they bore the holes to the required depth, lower some reinforcing steel and fill them with concrete, and it's ready to build the house. Everybody is telling me I should do a post-tensions waffle slab, but I don't want that.  glad you were able to get some advice from somebody with local knowledge.
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:43:04 PM EDT
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what you wrote in that old thread was 100% completely wrong this isn't some court case about racism where the answer depends on which lawyer can bullshit the jury the most the proper method to design a simple span is known to all (except you) the topic was "how to design a simple span rolled steel beam properly" anyone who knows anything at all about structural engineering would know that the answer that you supplied was incorrect you supplied the guy with a formula for beam deflection and you even fucked that up, you explained it wrong, you didn't even know what the terms in the equation stand for. and you made up an arbitrary deflection limit. the perfect storm of not knowing jack shit whether or not you can get in legal trouble, you presented yourself as an engineer and instructed the guy incorrectly what the fuck is wrong with you? can't you just go back to your salmon and Johnson and read the whole chapter and at least understand how to design a simple span with a point load? before you play the expert Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. what you wrote in that old thread was 100% completely wrong this isn't some court case about racism where the answer depends on which lawyer can bullshit the jury the most the proper method to design a simple span is known to all (except you) the topic was "how to design a simple span rolled steel beam properly" anyone who knows anything at all about structural engineering would know that the answer that you supplied was incorrect you supplied the guy with a formula for beam deflection and you even fucked that up, you explained it wrong, you didn't even know what the terms in the equation stand for. and you made up an arbitrary deflection limit. the perfect storm of not knowing jack shit whether or not you can get in legal trouble, you presented yourself as an engineer and instructed the guy incorrectly what the fuck is wrong with you? can't you just go back to your salmon and Johnson and read the whole chapter and at least understand how to design a simple span with a point load? before you play the expert More blah blah blah from you. You couldn't even begin to answer the question, so you hide behind the "oh no I can't be giving engineering advice over the internet!" What a great cop-out. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:47:47 PM EDT
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. you go right ahead and do that, be sure to give them a link to the thread where you gave advice based on a formula you admitted was pulled from a textbook for convenience and not because it actually answered the question. All of your questionable behaviour is spelled out for you in a code you are supposed to be familiar with and abide by. I would urge you to read it, keep in mind that I did not select this reference because it happened to be on a shelf near me and I mistakenly thought it was relevent. Also, coming from one so concerned with the writings of others, the part in red is downright laughable. I did not randomly pick an equation out of convenience. I applied that specific equation because it could model the problem that was posed. I stand behind me answer as a safe answer. I'm sorry that you guys can't see it that way. The very first sentence in this pdf tells you why you're wrong. That equation tells you that the beam is serviceable, not that it is safe. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:51:10 PM EDT
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What the heck happened to my thread? Anyway, found an engineering firm that does "geotechnical testing", and the guy knows my area pretty well. He said most likely I won't be able to do a footing and short pier. Rather the piers will have to go deep enough the hit some limestone or shale, usually in the 18-25 foot range. They come out and bore holes to find it. Then give report. Cost around $2500. Next, I'll have to get a structural engineer to help work up the number of piers, and the beam arrangement. Not sure what that cost? When it's built, they bore the holes to the required depth, lower some reinforcing steel and fill them with concrete, and it's ready to build the house. Everybody is telling me I should do a post-tensions waffle slab, but I don't want that. Sounds like you're headed in the right direction. 
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:52:50 PM EDT
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What the heck happened to my thread? Anyway, found an engineering firm that does "geotechnical testing", and the guy knows my area pretty well. He said most likely I won't be able to do a footing and short pier. Rather the piers will have to go deep enough the hit some limestone or shale, usually in the 18-25 foot range. They come out and bore holes to find it. Then give report. Cost around $2500. Next, I'll have to get a structural engineer to help work up the number of piers, and the beam arrangement. Not sure what that cost? When it's built, they bore the holes to the required depth, lower some reinforcing steel and fill them with concrete, and it's ready to build the house. Everybody is telling me I should do a post-tensions waffle slab, but I don't want that. The same thing that happens every time someone asks an architect/engineer question. LOL. ETA: you're doing the right thing. Ignore everyone here (including me) and stick with your local professionals. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:53:00 PM EDT
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Everybody is telling me I should do a post-tensions waffle slab, but I don't want that. That may actually be some good advice; PT can be great for active soils. There are some highly qualified engineers in the DFW area specializing in PT foundations; a few phone calls would be in order. Even if you had to strip and fill some of the near-surface active soils, it could be a cost-effective alternative to a drilled shaft foundation. Get a PE who speaks PT. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:55:24 PM EDT
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What the heck happened to my thread? Anyway, found an engineering firm that does "geotechnical testing", and the guy knows my area pretty well. He said most likely I won't be able to do a footing and short pier. Rather the piers will have to go deep enough the hit some limestone or shale, usually in the 18-25 foot range. They come out and bore holes to find it. Then give report. Cost around $2500. Next, I'll have to get a structural engineer to help work up the number of piers, and the beam arrangement. Not sure what that cost? When it's built, they bore the holes to the required depth, lower some reinforcing steel and fill them with concrete, and it's ready to build the house. Everybody is telling me I should do a post-tensions waffle slab, but I don't want that. Sounds like you're headed in the right direction. And, I just got off the phone with the recommended structural guy. He'd design the piers and beams so the floor can them be laid. He estimated the cost to be $1200-1500, so not that bad. Interestingly, he recently built himself a pier & beam lake house, so he mentioned a good contractor to bore and pour the concrete parts. Sot of coming together. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 2:18:15 PM EDT
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The bottom line is that I gave a safe answer. Has anybody shown that my answer would create an unsafe situation? No. Because it won't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. As a "professional," that is reckless, particularly when representing yourself as an authority on a subject (i.e. I'm an engineer, and the answer is X). The bottom line is that I gave a safe answer. Has anybody shown that my answer would create an unsafe situation? No. Because it won't. It is unbelievable how ignorant of engineering you are OK, i'll explain this to you one last motherfucking time suppose you have two W36x300 beams one is made from 36KSI steel and braced at 25 feet, the other is made from 50 KSI steel and braced at 12 feet the 50KSI beam would have a load capacity several times higher than the 36KSI beam AND YET THEY'D HAVE THE EXACT SAME DEFLECTION UNDER THE SAME LOAD since you can easily design a beam which is strong enough to carry a load, but not meet whatever historical deflection limit applies, THE OPPOSITE IS ALSO TRUE what about shear capacity? how does your moronic approach check shear? also, the formula you supplied simply calculates deflection due to flexure and then you made up the deflection criteria 
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Posted: 9/9/2013 2:23:17 PM EDT
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More blah blah blah from you. You couldn't even begin to answer the question, so you hide behind the "oh no I can't be giving engineering advice over the internet!" What a great cop-out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. can't you just go back to your salmon and Johnson and read the whole chapter and at least understand how to design a simple span with a point load? before you play the expert More blah blah blah from you. You couldn't even begin to answer the question, so you hide behind the "oh no I can't be giving engineering advice over the internet!" What a great cop-out. umm... because I don't do engineering over the internet? something like that? OK, why don't you PM me your name and license number and we can sort this out properly? we'll send the thread off to your state board and you can impress everyone with how you re-invented structural engineering and how you're 'helping" people on the net I'm sure they'll be real amazed I know I am |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 2:33:05 PM EDT
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Fuck purses, we swinging protractors up in this bitch!
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Posted: 9/9/2013 4:30:04 PM EDT
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My slide rule has extended.
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Posted: 9/9/2013 6:29:45 PM EDT
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Well, this engineering thread is going well.
One thing we should be glad for here is the lack of an equation generator in the text editor. Although that would definitely save on the death of parentheses sometimes when there's just no choice. But they won't run out, either. Anyway, these threads have a purpose, if you'll have it. Take a look, and then move on when the topic is too painful for participation; your tolerance will improve and you won't get butt hurt by asshattery that you can't correct no matter how badly you want. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 6:35:07 PM EDT
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How much money do you have???
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Posted: 9/9/2013 7:24:50 PM EDT
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I am a TX PE. My wife is an engineering graduate that never took the PE exam. Neither of us is a civil/structural engineer.
We are paying a civil engineer for the design and inspection of a rather simple residential addition in order to get a windstorm certificate. It will make both selling and insuring our home in the future much easier since we live on the coast. After hurricane Ike we both have serious respect for the power of hurricane force winds. A competent engineer stays inside his area of expertise, and windstorm design isn't mine. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 7:31:24 PM EDT
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ENGINEERING FIGHT!!!!!!
Two engineers enter, one engineer leaves! ETA: Twist in some helical piers down to 20-20', pour some 3'x3'x12" pier caps, space them 10-15' apart and call it good. Not an engineer, just a project manager that has to build what engineers design. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 7:31:44 PM EDT
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Cue the poorly built house pics. Or was it a shed?
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Posted: 9/9/2013 7:47:24 PM EDT
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Planning a new home with pier and beam construction. Would like some help on site prep., soil loading, and foundation design. You're probably going to want to HIRE them, not solicit free services online. Nobody will give good info or sign their license number without being paid... They have to cover their insurance costs somehow. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 7:53:39 PM EDT
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LOL who the fuck would pretend to be a structural engineer on the internet? wouldn't that be kind of weird? I have a master's degree in engineering and 25 years of experience designing large structures, mostly bridges. you can ask me any question at all about bridge design, no matter how obscure, I can tell you not only the theory, but the practical method of design and the history of how the design process evolved I never do any residential work, except for my own use. regarding a PE seal requirement on the plans: that depends on who is issuing the permit some townships will make you get a PE seal on a 2 foot high garden wall Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Related question. I want to remove/relocate some support beams in my attic. What sort of professional do I look for to hire to tell me which/where to move them? I am already on board with hiring somebody. I just don't know if I need an architect, a structure engineer, or what. I don't want to go with either total overkill, or someone who is just guessing. Who is the right professional? Thanks. :) I would hire a reputable general contractor who does that kind of work. Engineer is overkill. They probably wouldn't know what they're doing anyway. LOL the contractor hires a PE durrrr or he aint getting a permit math and science are your friend HOLY SHIT IT'S YOU AGAIN Sometimes I wonder if you're really an engineer or pretend to be one here. Nobody hires a PE to design houses unless it's some kind of extravagant design that requires a unique structure. It's not required by law to have a PE seal a single family house design. Only "real property" requires a PE seal on the plans. LOL who the fuck would pretend to be a structural engineer on the internet? wouldn't that be kind of weird? I have a master's degree in engineering and 25 years of experience designing large structures, mostly bridges. you can ask me any question at all about bridge design, no matter how obscure, I can tell you not only the theory, but the practical method of design and the history of how the design process evolved I never do any residential work, except for my own use. regarding a PE seal requirement on the plans: that depends on who is issuing the permit some townships will make you get a PE seal on a 2 foot high garden wall This. As a registered landscape architect I have to agree. First of all DO NOT hire a contractor for design work! Look at suburban USA! Cookie-cutter contractor designs that look like shitty little mc mansions, and don't really do a good job serving the needs of a unique owner's site conditions. Hire an Architect for the design you want. They will partner with a good structural engineer, and you will be in great hands. If you want an excellent design for outdoor living spaces & features, hire a landscape architect. If you're okay with status quo cookie cutter shit, hire a contractor for the design. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 8:13:11 PM EDT
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I am a lowly electronics technician wrapping up a BS Electrical Engineering and cramming for the fundamentals of engineering exam.
Dirt is serious shit, especially when you are putting 100's of thousands of dollars and 100's of thousands of pounds on top of it. Get the proper soil studies and engineering work done by a professional. You are going to live in a home for a long time, the up front engineering cost will be nothing averaged out across the life of the home and nothing in compare to the cost of a repair after the fact and the damage it will do to the resale value of your home. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 9:45:09 PM EDT
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Ironically I was taking a break from my structural analysis homework to read arfcom and I wandered into this. Random question, is StaadPro and RAM the typical software used in most firms?
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Posted: 9/10/2013 4:14:27 AM EDT
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Ironically I was taking a break from my structural analysis homework to read arfcom and I wandered into this. Random question, is StaadPro and RAM the typical software used in most firms? Its what we used when I was in a large design firm. Im 5 years removed from being in a largely design based organization, so things may have changed. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 4:24:10 AM EDT
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It is unbelievable how ignorant of engineering you are OK, i'll explain this to you one last motherfucking time suppose you have two W36x300 beams one is made from 36KSI steel and braced at 25 feet, the other is made from 50 KSI steel and braced at 12 feet the 50KSI beam would have a load capacity several times higher than the 36KSI beam AND YET THEY'D HAVE THE EXACT SAME DEFLECTION UNDER THE SAME LOAD since you can easily design a beam which is strong enough to carry a load, but not meet whatever historical deflection limit applies, THE OPPOSITE IS ALSO TRUE what about shear capacity? how does your moronic approach check shear? also, the formula you supplied simply calculates deflection due to flexure and then you made up the deflection criteria
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In my professional opinion, giving engineering advice as an anoymous poster on the internet in no way jeopardizes your licensing. It is up to the person receiving the advice to practice what is called "DUE DILIGENCE" which means they can should approach any advice from anybody they cannot personally validate, with caution. Secondly, I think my answers are correct. Others don't agree and they express their disagreement. The person receiving the advice should weigh all the responses and decide to accept the answer they feel is correct. At any rate, it would be a good question to pose to the folks at NSPE to answer in the ethics column of PE Magazine. As a "professional," that is reckless, particularly when representing yourself as an authority on a subject (i.e. I'm an engineer, and the answer is X). The bottom line is that I gave a safe answer. Has anybody shown that my answer would create an unsafe situation? No. Because it won't. It is unbelievable how ignorant of engineering you are OK, i'll explain this to you one last motherfucking time suppose you have two W36x300 beams one is made from 36KSI steel and braced at 25 feet, the other is made from 50 KSI steel and braced at 12 feet the 50KSI beam would have a load capacity several times higher than the 36KSI beam AND YET THEY'D HAVE THE EXACT SAME DEFLECTION UNDER THE SAME LOAD since you can easily design a beam which is strong enough to carry a load, but not meet whatever historical deflection limit applies, THE OPPOSITE IS ALSO TRUE what about shear capacity? how does your moronic approach check shear? also, the formula you supplied simply calculates deflection due to flexure and then you made up the deflection criteria
what do you think the entire design code was written for if it can be replaced by you calculating flexure deflection and arbitrarily making up a maximum value? Admit it. You're reading from an engineering is for dummies manual aren't you? Your attempt at engineering analyses is laughable. And if you think I'm sending my personal info to a raving lunatic bent on trying to ruin somebody's reputation you are indeed two cans shy of a sixer. |
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