I think its the go to excuse for people were playing around with their guns and shot someone because of it.

Some people are in more control than others.

I don't know about you guys but cleaning my guns involes breaking them down first.

Sad all around though.

This.

However, first step in unloading a gun....make sure it is pointed in a safe direction.

I have cleaned my guns many times while drinking after a range trip or hunting.  Magically I have never shot my self or anyone else.  Is this a coincidence?  Or could it be that I am not a big fucking moron.

Put this POS under the jail.

Another kid killed in my area back home

No charges in fatal shooting; termed ‘horrible tragedy, accident'
By Jeff Murray • Staff Writer • November 19, 2008

There will be no criminal charges filed following a fatal shooting of a Steuben County boy Sunday.


Marvin J. Morseman, 12, was pronounced dead Sunday at Robert Packer Hospital in Sayre after suffering a single shotgun wound to the chest. The shooting appeared to be accidental, state police said.

Morseman and a 10-year-old boy who police did not identify were alone in their home on county Route 86 when the shooting took place around 11:30 a.m. Sunday, police said. Investigators did not disclose whether the other boy was involved in the shooting.

The gun was a double-barreled 12-gauge shotgun loaded with shot pellets, said lead investigator Mark Procopio of the state police Painted Post barracks.

The gun, which belongs to the victim's father, was not lying around, Procopio said.

“The gun was not left out. It was not secured, but it was in a storage area,” he said. “It was not locked and it was not loaded. Ammunition was available for it.”

Procopio said he discussed the investigation with Steuben County District Attorney John Tunney, and they concurred that there would be no charges filed.

“Frankly, there was not evidence of criminal conduct. It was a horrible tragedy and accident,” Tunney said. “The obvious question is, did someone leave a loaded gun around? Apparently no, that wasn't the case. We operate on the basis of evidence, is it there or not there? We measure against legal standards. When you do that in this case, it just comes out there's not evidence of criminal conduct.”

There will also be no autopsy. Morseman was pronounced dead in Bradford County, where the protocol is not to perform an autopsy if no criminal charges are pending, Procopio said.

http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20081119/NEWS01/811190339/1002/NEWS01

kinda thinking tha same here

My first thought as well.

It doesn't matter how "in control" you are; alcohol diminishes that control. Do you REALLY want to be in a diminished capacity while handling guns and ammo?

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+1000

When's the last time we heard a story like this where the person admitted they were playing with the gun and not "cleaning it".

lets say tens of thousands of people (maybe more) are cleaning guns as I type this....the odds that hundreds (maybe thousands) are doing it unsafely..this shit's bound to happen once in awhile..as horrific as it is I'm suprised it doesn't happen more often

It's the real world as most of us are big boys.  Why don't you just worry about yourself?

Usually the pitchfork brigade goes after the guy responsible.  You want to go after a portion of ARFCOM.

I'm sure it happens a lot more often than we hear about, they probably usually don't end in a child's death though.

I bet an inordinant number of the "gun cleaning" accidents hit the TV.  

There was a post on another board a few years back by a guy who had been around for a while with a lot of posts who posted that he "dry fired" his pistol at his dog.  Turns out it wasn't so dry and he killed his dog on accident.  I personally searched many of his past posts and he didn't seem at all like a troll.  I wouldn't doubt if this was a similar situation.

Ok smart guy.  refresh my memory.  In the thread not long ago, where the cop shot and killed a kid by carelessly discharging is firearm, Was he jailed on a quarter million dollar bail?



Yes, yes I do.

The answer btw, is no, he was not jailed.  He was put on admin-leave (aka PAID Vacation!)

No, this wasn't in Ohio

Are you saying an officer in OH did the same thing recently?  I would have put money on this being an "isolated incident"


/not

Well a Cops 2 year old Son got a hold of his Non Duty weapon and the 2 year old shot himself and died.
It's a fucked up situation when a kid dies like this, well it's fucked up when a kid dies by any means
2 Year Old dies of Gun Shot

Under those circumstances, i doubt he saw it as a vacation.
Thats a contractural issue because technically he is still innocent until proven guilty, and it only has a span of about 30 days in many agencies, then reverts to unpaid. Depends on the contract language.

So what other job can sign contracts that puts them above the law like that?

Hey, that's not MY quote
And I wish we did live in a Country where you are innocent until proven guilty

I vote for this.

Yup.

just curious, why do you have to put the ammo so far away?  It's very unlikely that it will jump into your gun as you clean it.

Hey!  It's the pitchfork brigade!  Logic does not apply!