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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:03:09 PM EDT
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Been that way for a long time.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:03:57 PM EDT
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In France employees are hired in with 25 days of vacation by law.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish we had 20 days minimum of vacation here. :( In France employees are hired in with 25 days of vacation by law. That's weak. U.S. federal employees get like 30 |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:09:00 PM EDT
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In France employees are hired in with 25 days of vacation by law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish we had 20 days minimum of vacation here. :( In France employees are hired in with 25 days of vacation by law. And their socialist president is trying to change their labor laws. Lulz |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:11:31 PM EDT
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I work a lot. I take very little vacation. Nine years to retirement (Pension). Will keep working in another vocation afterward. Wife wants to travel the country (RVing). I don't care about what Euros get. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:24:31 PM EDT
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As a solution, the EU needs to add a holiday tax. Problem solved.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:24:42 PM EDT
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Gotta work to keep up all the parasites on welfare, EBT, SNAP
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:42:21 PM EDT
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Gotta work to keep up all the parasites on welfare, EBT, SNAP 
Yep, that 5% of the budget is really doing us in. 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:44:47 PM EDT
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It never bothered me how much they worked. What bothered me was how much they drank.
But if I lived in a socialist shithole with huge taxes, I'd drink too. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:47:58 PM EDT
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I wish we had 20 days minimum of vacation here. :( You don't? |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:50:25 PM EDT
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/Rv5UHrNsvcucvflDwwz_pqEjjHnbQeE_HoAgEM44mGOwutlLCyMopUBTlKW_j1krJ775qI5DGZLYlEB8z7I3mD5BllP27Iq4URRWPE-vV3hfqv4wYgLtmDm3D_Z_hAlEMc-s1yA Yep, that 5% of the budget is really doing us in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gotta work to keep up all the parasites on welfare, EBT, SNAP https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/Rv5UHrNsvcucvflDwwz_pqEjjHnbQeE_HoAgEM44mGOwutlLCyMopUBTlKW_j1krJ775qI5DGZLYlEB8z7I3mD5BllP27Iq4URRWPE-vV3hfqv4wYgLtmDm3D_Z_hAlEMc-s1yA Yep, that 5% of the budget is really doing us in. On the federal level that may be true. On the state level, some states contribute massive percentages to welfare, free medical, housing...... |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:58:47 PM EDT
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Not when work hours and productivity have been going up for decades while inflation-adjusted buying power of your wages has stayed the same or gone down in that time. Americans don't work to get ahead, they work to survive and keep their jobs. Not an enviable position. There is no carrot at the end of the stick for most. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is not something to be proud of people.. We shouldn't be proud of working harder and being more productive? Not when work hours and productivity have been going up for decades while inflation-adjusted buying power of your wages has stayed the same or gone down in that time. Americans don't work to get ahead, they work to survive and keep their jobs. Not an enviable position. There is no carrot at the end of the stick for most. Then quit and live under a bridge or something. I see many people trying to coast through life without ambition, continuing to learn new skills, or obtain more education. The carrot is there for those that really want to get it. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:59:43 PM EDT
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On the federal level that may be true. On the state level, some states contribute massive percentages to welfare, free medical, housing...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gotta work to keep up all the parasites on welfare, EBT, SNAP https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/Rv5UHrNsvcucvflDwwz_pqEjjHnbQeE_HoAgEM44mGOwutlLCyMopUBTlKW_j1krJ775qI5DGZLYlEB8z7I3mD5BllP27Iq4URRWPE-vV3hfqv4wYgLtmDm3D_Z_hAlEMc-s1yA Yep, that 5% of the budget is really doing us in. On the federal level that may be true. On the state level, some states contribute massive percentages to welfare, free medical, housing...... Not to mention that that sizable chunks of the social security, health, agriculture, and housing slices are welfare. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 3:00:15 PM EDT
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i love all of this talk about hard work and productivity when we're posting on a damn forum during a workday
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Posted: 10/18/2016 3:16:46 PM EDT
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i love all of this talk about hard work and productivity when we're posting on a damn forum during a workday And still being productive 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 4:05:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2016 4:09:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i love all of this talk about hard work and productivity when we're posting on a damn forum during a workday  Eta: I'm not at work yet. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:56:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We work 20% longer days without the myriad of Bank Holidays as our UK counterparts. If I have headcount available I always look at the US to open against before the UK. We simply work more over here. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:57:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I usually work 40-50 hours a week as salary. Pretty sweet gig if you ask me Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In before people brag about how they work the most hours. I usually work 40-50 hours a week as salary. Pretty sweet gig if you ask me |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:00:27 PM EDT
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I still think that commercial is stupid. The dumpy looking electric Cadillac was a letdown. Should have been a Ferrari or something sitting there. It should have been the biggest Cadillac sedan |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:03:42 PM EDT
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I work 25% more hours than the Americans who work 25% more hours than Europeans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In before people brag about how they work the most hours. I work 25% more hours than the Americans who work 25% more hours than Europeans. QFFT |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:06:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not when work hours and productivity have been going up for decades while inflation-adjusted buying power of your wages has stayed the same or gone down in that time. Americans don't work to get ahead, they work to survive and keep their jobs. Not an enviable position. There is no carrot at the end of the stick for most. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is not something to be proud of people.. We shouldn't be proud of working harder and being more productive? Not when work hours and productivity have been going up for decades while inflation-adjusted buying power of your wages has stayed the same or gone down in that time. Americans don't work to get ahead, they work to survive and keep their jobs. Not an enviable position. There is no carrot at the end of the stick for most. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:25:38 PM EDT
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If Americans lived a European lifestyle our wages would be more than sufficient. We live in houses most Europeans wouldn't dream of living in, we have more TVs than we have bedrooms, we have media rooms and outdoor kitchens. Americans could be working to get ahead instead of "surviving" but many middle class folks define surviving as keeping up with the jonses Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is not something to be proud of people.. We shouldn't be proud of working harder and being more productive? Not when work hours and productivity have been going up for decades while inflation-adjusted buying power of your wages has stayed the same or gone down in that time. Americans don't work to get ahead, they work to survive and keep their jobs. Not an enviable position. There is no carrot at the end of the stick for most. when I spoke with the french exchange students during my college tenure, they always said these things. 1. Why no one speaks french in LA 2. Why do you put cheese on everything 3. You guys have lots of room and big vehicles.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:43:56 PM EDT
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Work....LOL English
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:44:42 PM EDT
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Eurofags are lazy. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:50:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:12:01 PM EDT
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THAT is a fact. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is not something to be proud of people.. We shouldn't be proud of working harder and being more productive? Not when work hours and productivity have been going up for decades while inflation-adjusted buying power of your wages has stayed the same or gone down in that time. Americans don't work to get ahead, they work to survive and keep their jobs. Not an enviable position. There is no carrot at the end of the stick for most. THAT is a fact. ^^ Two guys who get it. What happened to "work smarter, not harder"? France isn't a third world country. They can afford iPhones and shit as well. Personally I'd rather spend more time with my kid than work constantly. Plus studies show overloading on work tends to make one less productive over all. Bragging we are killing ourselves for little reward is nothing to brag about. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:20:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: no one has ever made it to their death bed and laid there thinking, "damn, I wished I had spent more time at work instead of with my family." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is not something to be proud of people.. We shouldn't be proud of working harder and being more productive? no one has ever made it to their death bed and laid there thinking, "damn, I wished I had spent more time at work instead of with my family." Well, you've never met my family. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:20:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My vote for the best commercial ever. Quote History |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:22:36 PM EDT
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Is it not chic to write "lol" in caselowere to the bourgeoisie américain http://www.fashioninfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/taleofthefairy2.jpg YES, YES! JACQUES! BUT IT IS THE NOTHINGNESS OF EXISTENCE! https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ba/54/40/ba5440edfe826e9e930541428411c1ff.jpg I am curious https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aCXlovPkL0U/hqdefault.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol Is it not chic to write "lol" in caselowere to the bourgeoisie américain http://www.fashioninfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/taleofthefairy2.jpg YES, YES! JACQUES! BUT IT IS THE NOTHINGNESS OF EXISTENCE! https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ba/54/40/ba5440edfe826e9e930541428411c1ff.jpg I am curious https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aCXlovPkL0U/hqdefault.jpg 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:27:31 PM EDT
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If Americans lived a European lifestyle our wages would be more than sufficient. We live in houses most Europeans wouldn't dream of living in, we have more TVs than we have bedrooms, we have media rooms and outdoor kitchens. Americans could be working to get ahead instead of "surviving" but many middle class folks define surviving as keeping up with the jonses Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is not something to be proud of people.. We shouldn't be proud of working harder and being more productive? Not when work hours and productivity have been going up for decades while inflation-adjusted buying power of your wages has stayed the same or gone down in that time. Americans don't work to get ahead, they work to survive and keep their jobs. Not an enviable position. There is no carrot at the end of the stick for most. It's not about financial habits, it's about working longer hours for less pay, something all Americans have been doing over the last 3-4 decades or so. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:30:00 PM EDT
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Harder to get a job, harder to get rid of bad employees. Tax rates that will make your head spin, you have to save for small purchases like a TV. For all our faults, you don't want to copy their system.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:40:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Harder to get a job, harder to get rid of bad employees. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:41:14 PM EDT
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We also have easy access to things like AC, decent size housing, and something besides shit econobox cars.
I suppose if i lived in a tiny house, an even tinier car, and got utterly gutted on things like income and VAT/sales tax id expect something like a months "paid" vacation too |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 4:29:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not about financial habits, it's about working longer hours for less pay, something all Americans have been doing over the last 3-4 decades or so. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is not something to be proud of people.. We shouldn't be proud of working harder and being more productive? Not when work hours and productivity have been going up for decades while inflation-adjusted buying power of your wages has stayed the same or gone down in that time. Americans don't work to get ahead, they work to survive and keep their jobs. Not an enviable position. There is no carrot at the end of the stick for most. It's not about financial habits, it's about working longer hours for less pay, something all Americans have been doing over the last 3-4 decades or so. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 4:32:51 AM EDT
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Eurofags are lazy. No, we just don't feel like our jobs and livelihood are under constant threat from The Man |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 5:14:02 AM EDT
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The same Europe that considers ice cubes and AC luxuries, live in shoeboxes and are "lucky" to have an efficiency car?
I'll work the extra hour and keep my shit.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 5:53:49 AM EDT
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Less social mobility due to the fact that you have a bit more money than the next guy? Status more related to social cast than hard work?
Like for me there is little point working harder and trying to earn more money if i cant spend time with my family, life is only so long. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 5:56:20 AM EDT
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^^ Two guys who get it. What happened to "work smarter, not harder"? France isn't a third world country. They can afford iPhones and shit as well. Personally I'd rather spend more time with my kid than work constantly. Plus studies show overloading on work tends to make one less productive over all. Bragging we are killing ourselves for little reward is nothing to brag about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is not something to be proud of people.. We shouldn't be proud of working harder and being more productive? Not when work hours and productivity have been going up for decades while inflation-adjusted buying power of your wages has stayed the same or gone down in that time. Americans don't work to get ahead, they work to survive and keep their jobs. Not an enviable position. There is no carrot at the end of the stick for most. THAT is a fact. ^^ Two guys who get it. What happened to "work smarter, not harder"? France isn't a third world country. They can afford iPhones and shit as well. Personally I'd rather spend more time with my kid than work constantly. Plus studies show overloading on work tends to make one less productive over all. Bragging we are killing ourselves for little reward is nothing to brag about. I own my own business and try to set things up where I can take plenty of vacation and still have good control of things and make plenty of money. Working hard is a great, but working smart is even better. Doing both when needed for periods of time is required sometimes, but I have never understood the mentality on this website (and held by many conservative types and talk show hosts) that working ALL the time and killing yourself for your job is somehow a noble feat. I work to make money, and when I have enough or have enough recurring passive income I'm not going to work much anymore. That's the end game. I've always thought if my business grows enough to hire a bunch of employees, I'd like to hire people from this website, because there seems to be no shortage of people who will work themselves to death hoping for a promotion or to make the shareholders more money, all the while talking about vacation or 40 hour work weeks like they are some terrible thing that only lazy people do.. Exactly the type of employees a big buniness wants. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 5:56:26 AM EDT
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As bad as things are getting here, we're in a hell of lot better shape than Europe. Europe is the US, except with Marxism a few decades further along and illegal immigrants that want to kill people. ah.. no. And Im in Europe at the moment. FerFAL |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 5:59:53 AM EDT
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Greeks would make the same argument. Should we adopt their work ethic? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is not something to be proud of people.. We shouldn't be proud of working harder and being more productive? no one has ever made it to their death bed and laid there thinking, "damn, I wished I had spent more time at work instead of with my family." Greeks would make the same argument. Should we adopt their work ethic? I'm sure there's a middle road scenario that won't break the bank, Cypress style. Let's face it: we're outworking most of the world (China? Slave labor doesn't count, IMO), but aren't gaining for it. Quite the opposite, in fact. A little balance would be a good thing. Personally, I find I'm more productive if/when'm not flirting with exhaustion & burnout. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:02:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:06:52 AM EDT
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My cousin married an Australian. She told me he was upset because when he started his new job he only gets 6 weeks vacation after his first year... I would kill for that. I get 1 week a year no matter how long I have worked there. Sucks around hunting season |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:11:47 AM EDT
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It's the price I pay for living in a house, owning guns and driving a car, as opposed to a micro apartment with a roommate, and taking a bus. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's the price I pay for living in a house, owning guns and driving a car, as opposed to a micro apartment with a roommate, and taking a bus. Some of you guys need to actually visit Europe. I can have guns here, a big house and big cars. I own a diesel SUV that is banned in your country. Heck, I can even get SBR and SBS without having to file a form 1.
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We have to work 25% more than Europe so our tax dollars can go to support European defense so they can pay for their lifestyle.  The only thing your subsidizing is Israel and the MIC, not Europe. Europe would actually apprecaite if you'd stop screwing around in the middle east creating crisis after crisis. Just saynig. Quoted:
The same Europe that considers ice cubes and AC luxuries, live in shoeboxes and are "lucky" to have an efficiency car? I'll work the extra hour and keep my shit. Aaannnndd ... thats how we know you never visited Europe, probably never set foot outside the States. 
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:19:07 AM EDT
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We have to work 25% more than Europe so our tax dollars can go to support European defense so they can pay for their lifestyle. yup.. when ever someone tells me how much better Europe is because of socialism, i remind them of this...and get looked at as if I have 3 heads. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:21:38 AM EDT
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We shouldn't be proud of working harder and being more productive? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is not something to be proud of people.. We shouldn't be proud of working harder and being more productive? not when it gets to the point where it consumes your life. I look at people who brag about working over 50 hours a week (as in 60 hours or so), staying up all night to work, working the weekends, etc. and have to wonder, why? they are making no time for their families, their mental health or their physical health. Almost every person I personally know that works that many hours is unhealthy as fuck both mentally and physically. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:24:43 AM EDT
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No doubt, socialism will save us from this injustice.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:26:45 AM EDT
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At least in the company I work for yes we Americans work more but we are also more profitable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We work 20% longer days without the myriad of Bank Holidays as our UK counterparts. If I have headcount available I always look at the US to open against before the UK. We simply work more over here. The harder you work, the luckier you get. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:36:37 AM EDT
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Because we pay for Europe's defense, and defense of their trade routes, and for the UN, and for all sorts of ridiculous shit...and that's why they don't have to work as hard. They just don't have as many bills as the US. And since our tax money goes to them, we have to work more hours. Politicians and their policies has a very real impact on our lives, especially when it comes to taxes. Trump is the only politician since ww2 who even dared speaking about making them (and Japan, etc) pay for NATO and the UN and get fair trade deals. We need a negotiator that is willing to shake things up, because things are gonna start breaking down in the worst possible way when we go bankrupt, so we cannot be afraid of rethinking EVERYTHING.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:38:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have to work 25% more than Europe so our tax dollars can go to support European defense so they can pay for their lifestyle. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:43:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you guys need to actually visit Europe. I can have guns here, a big house and big cars. I own a diesel SUV that is banned in your country. Heck, I can even get SBR and SBS without having to file a form 1. Its actually nice to have a working grid of public stransportation, especially trains that get you everywhere fast. Many times its more convenient than driving. Better public stransportation would actually be very nice to have in USA. The only thing your subsidizing is Israel and the MIC, not Europe. Europe would actually apprecaite if you'd stop screwing around in the middle east creating crisis after crisis. Just saynig. Aaannnndd ... thats how we know you never visited Europe, probably never set foot outside the States. FerFAL Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's the price I pay for living in a house, owning guns and driving a car, as opposed to a micro apartment with a roommate, and taking a bus. Some of you guys need to actually visit Europe. I can have guns here, a big house and big cars. I own a diesel SUV that is banned in your country. Heck, I can even get SBR and SBS without having to file a form 1. Its actually nice to have a working grid of public stransportation, especially trains that get you everywhere fast. Many times its more convenient than driving. Better public stransportation would actually be very nice to have in USA. Quoted: We have to work 25% more than Europe so our tax dollars can go to support European defense so they can pay for their lifestyle. The only thing your subsidizing is Israel and the MIC, not Europe. Europe would actually apprecaite if you'd stop screwing around in the middle east creating crisis after crisis. Just saynig. Quoted: The same Europe that considers ice cubes and AC luxuries, live in shoeboxes and are "lucky" to have an efficiency car? I'll work the extra hour and keep my shit. Aaannnndd ... thats how we know you never visited Europe, probably never set foot outside the States. FerFAL I have been to Europe, three times this year in fact, and while the statement about AC and ice cubes being luxuries is a little far fetched it isn't completely unwarranted either. European tend to own less stuff and the definition of a big house in Europe is more like that of the 1950s middle class American home. Many many Americans value stuff very highly and are willing to work for it, Europeans value time over stuff and have structured their work life around that.
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