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Did the OP's wife stay at home and raise the kids, keep the house, and make every meal? If so, does that not deserve support when things go south (not if she cheated of course). I am amazed at home many men here seem to view their wives as slaves, or second class citizens when things go bad in the marriage. One old neighbor who is dead now yelled at the judge during his divorce when the judge awarded her half the pension. He said "she did not work for that money, I did". The judge felt like I did that she spent 45 years taking care of the house, raising the kids, and putting up with his shit, and he was a shit to her. When the prick retired he did not take the pension with survivor benefits. He said it was his money and he wanted all of his pension, not a prorated amount to care for her after he died. Instead of the survivor benefits he took out a $100k insurance policy for her, he even tried to stop paying for it during the divorce but the judge told him not a chance. Prick died alone in Florida and his two surviving kids did not have a service for him because he did not have a single friend in the world. The support goes both ways for the duration of the marriage. Once it's over, neither party should be forced to provide for the other. I do not agree with the ones who bitch about the 50/50 split of assets acquired while married. But forced continued financial support is abhorrent. ![]() |
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in a lot of states, the judge won't fall for that, and state laws allow the judge to impute income to the payor based on the payor's ability to earn. Men try that all the time in child support cases and the court says "nice try, keep paying." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I know a guy who gave up his professional state licensing, necessary to work in his field, took a $100k+/yr pay cut and started delivering pizzas to support himself, just so they'd have to refigure his alimony. He already lived a smaller rent house that was paid off he got in the divorce when his ex got the main residence... that she could never pay off the mortgage without his money. He said there was no way he was going to work his ass off in a professional field just so his ex could sit on her ass all day. If he was going to have to work the rest of HIS life, so was she. Sometimes "scorched earth" means you have to burn your field too. ![]() |
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Alimony is indentured servitude. Typically you have to pay alimony for half the duration of the marriage. In my case, married for 30 years so that will be 15 years. I'm 57 now, so that will mean working until I am 72 to pay off the alimony. So let's face it, the rest of my life is fucked. No retirement. View Quote |
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Did the OP's wife stay at home and raise the kids, keep the house, and make every meal? If so, does that not deserve support when things go south (not if she cheated of course). I am amazed at home many men here seem to view their wives as slaves, or second class citizens when things go bad in the marriage. One old neighbor who is dead now yelled at the judge during his divorce when the judge awarded her half the pension. He said "she did not work for that money, I did". The judge felt like I did that she spent 45 years taking care of the house, raising the kids, and putting up with his shit, and he was a shit to her. When the prick retired he did not take the pension with survivor benefits. He said it was his money and he wanted all of his pension, not a prorated amount to care for her after he died. Instead of the survivor benefits he took out a $100k insurance policy for her, he even tried to stop paying for it during the divorce but the judge told him not a chance. Prick died alone in Florida and his two surviving kids did not have a service for him because he did not have a single friend in the world. View Quote |
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what happens if you say fuck it and live off the grid somewhere as a hermit and dont pay? can you be arrested for not paying alimony? That is a shitty situation to be in, I feel bad for you OP. View Quote |
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I was in the same trap - the ex getting permanent and periodic alamonity.
There were three outs - she could die, cohabitate contrary to state statues (live with some one), and or have income. I paid the bitch enough money I could have had my house paid off. When I lost my job and had some time on my hands - I re-opened up the divorce case - stated that she had income - SS disability income, and she was cohabiting. Got the alamonity BLOWN UP! The Fuck Up Governor of Florida had a bill on his desk that would have ended Permanent and Periodic Alimony - he refused to sign the bill into law....If he had you probably could have measured the ground shaking on the richter scale. Red A Free Man |
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Fiance throws jabs at me constantly about what I pay my ex....... She just refuses to accept that I bit the bullet because I knew I could get screwed. I was married like 10 years almost to the day. So I ran the possibility of paying permanent alimony so I didn't want to fight in court and we came to an agreement. Gave up my house to keep my retirement and agreed to temp alimony and let her keep the kids the bulk of the time. I've paid and paid....
The results are that she squandered much of the child support. Alimony ended years ago ago and my first kid just turned 18. So her days are numbered.....he husband is working his ass off to keep them afloat as it is. It sucks when I think that I've paid her north of $300k over the years but my kids are good kids and I know that life is going to hurt for her down the road. |
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Unfortunately that's the world we live in. At least the guy who pays the alimony had a choice in the matter. The taxpayer just gets fucked without even getting laid. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Did the OP's wife stay at home and raise the kids, keep the house, and make every meal? If so, does that not deserve support when things go south (not if she cheated of course). I am amazed at home many men here seem to view their wives as slaves, or second class citizens when things go bad in the marriage. One old neighbor who is dead now yelled at the judge during his divorce when the judge awarded her half the pension. He said "she did not work for that money, I did". The judge felt like I did that she spent 45 years taking care of the house, raising the kids, and putting up with his shit, and he was a shit to her. When the prick retired he did not take the pension with survivor benefits. He said it was his money and he wanted all of his pension, not a prorated amount to care for her after he died. Instead of the survivor benefits he took out a $100k insurance policy for her, he even tried to stop paying for it during the divorce but the judge told him not a chance. Prick died alone in Florida and his two surviving kids did not have a service for him because he did not have a single friend in the world. The support goes both ways for the duration of the marriage. Once it's over, neither party should be forced to provide for the other. I do not agree with the ones who bitch about the 50/50 split of assets acquired while married. But forced continued financial support is abhorrent. ![]() That word... |
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Did the OP's wife stay at home and raise the kids, keep the house, and make every meal? If so, does that not deserve support when things go south (not if she cheated of course). I am amazed at home many men here seem to view their wives as slaves, or second class citizens when things go bad in the marriage. One old neighbor who is dead now yelled at the judge during his divorce when the judge awarded her half the pension. He said "she did not work for that money, I did". The judge felt like I did that she spent 45 years taking care of the house, raising the kids, and putting up with his shit, and he was a shit to her. When the prick retired he did not take the pension with survivor benefits. He said it was his money and he wanted all of his pension, not a prorated amount to care for her after he died. Instead of the survivor benefits he took out a $100k insurance policy for her, he even tried to stop paying for it during the divorce but the judge told him not a chance. Prick died alone in Florida and his two surviving kids did not have a service for him because he did not have a single friend in the world. View Quote I don't have a problem splitting the assets and moving on. If the man initiates a no-fault divorce from a stay at home wife, I can understand 3-5 years of alimony to enable her to get trained and into the workforce. The problem is when the wife initiates a no-fault divorce and then gets to collect a decade or more of alimony. If there's no fault, then why is he obligated to continue providing every month for a woman who is leaving him? If he is obligated to continue providing for her after she leaves him, why isn't she obligated to continue providing for him in other ways? |
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Context matters. I don't have a problem splitting the assets and moving on. If the man initiates a no-fault divorce from a stay at home wife, I can understand 3-5 years of alimony to enable her to get trained and into the workforce. The problem is when the wife initiates a no-fault divorce and then gets to collect a decade or more of alimony. If there's no fault, then why is he obligated to continue providing every month for a woman who is leaving him? If he is obligated to continue providing for her after she leaves him, why isn't she obligated to continue providing for him in other ways? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Did the OP's wife stay at home and raise the kids, keep the house, and make every meal? If so, does that not deserve support when things go south (not if she cheated of course). I am amazed at home many men here seem to view their wives as slaves, or second class citizens when things go bad in the marriage. One old neighbor who is dead now yelled at the judge during his divorce when the judge awarded her half the pension. He said "she did not work for that money, I did". The judge felt like I did that she spent 45 years taking care of the house, raising the kids, and putting up with his shit, and he was a shit to her. When the prick retired he did not take the pension with survivor benefits. He said it was his money and he wanted all of his pension, not a prorated amount to care for her after he died. Instead of the survivor benefits he took out a $100k insurance policy for her, he even tried to stop paying for it during the divorce but the judge told him not a chance. Prick died alone in Florida and his two surviving kids did not have a service for him because he did not have a single friend in the world. I don't have a problem splitting the assets and moving on. If the man initiates a no-fault divorce from a stay at home wife, I can understand 3-5 years of alimony to enable her to get trained and into the workforce. The problem is when the wife initiates a no-fault divorce and then gets to collect a decade or more of alimony. If there's no fault, then why is he obligated to continue providing every month for a woman who is leaving him? If he is obligated to continue providing for her after she leaves him, why isn't she obligated to continue providing for him in other ways? |
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It depends on the state, but you can fight if you can prove your ex has the ability to support themselves. Also, if she remarries you’re off the hook and if you’re in a common law state of she shacks up with some, that would be cause to stop. You could also try to negotiate a lump sum payment.
You will be able to deduct from your income tax any alimony payments made to her and she has to claim as income. It sucks OP, best day was the last check to the ex. |
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Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner.
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It depends on the state, but you can fight if you can prove your ex has the ability to support themselves. Also, if she remarries you're off the hook and if you're in a common law state of she shacks up with some, that would be cause to stop. You could also try to negotiate a lump sum payment. You will be able to deduct from your income tax any alimony payments made to her and she has to claim as income. It sucks OP, best day was the last check to the ex. View Quote |
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It depends on the state, but you can fight if you can prove your ex has the ability to support themselves. Also, if she remarries you’re off the hook and if you’re in a common law state of she shacks up with some, that would be cause to stop. You could also try to negotiate a lump sum payment. You will be able to deduct from your income tax any alimony payments made to her and she has to claim as income. It sucks OP, best day was the last check to the ex. View Quote |
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It depends on the state, but you can fight if you can prove your ex has the ability to support themselves. Also, if she remarries you’re off the hook and if you’re in a common law state of she shacks up with some, that would be cause to stop. You could also try to negotiate a lump sum payment. You will be able to deduct from your income tax any alimony payments made to her and she has to claim as income. It sucks OP, best day was the last check to the ex. View Quote |
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It is. I have a friend who is mid 50s and has been paying $3,000 a month and pays it until he retires.
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Alimony is ridiculous. But if kids are involved, then child support should pay for the kids to live the way they would have lived in a happy marriage.
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Alimony is ridiculous. But if kids are involved, then child support should pay for the kids to live the way they would have lived in a happy marriage. Any deadbeat dad (or mom) who skips paying it should be shot. View Quote Kharn |
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Did the OP's wife stay at home and raise the kids, keep the house, and make every meal? If so, does that not deserve support when things go south (not if she cheated of course). I am amazed at home many men here seem to view their wives as slaves, or second class citizens when things go bad in the marriage. One old neighbor who is dead now yelled at the judge during his divorce when the judge awarded her half the pension. He said "she did not work for that money, I did". The judge felt like I did that she spent 45 years taking care of the house, raising the kids, and putting up with his shit, and he was a shit to her. When the prick retired he did not take the pension with survivor benefits. He said it was his money and he wanted all of his pension, not a prorated amount to care for her after he died. Instead of the survivor benefits he took out a $100k insurance policy for her, he even tried to stop paying for it during the divorce but the judge told him not a chance. Prick died alone in Florida and his two surviving kids did not have a service for him because he did not have a single friend in the world. The support goes both ways for the duration of the marriage. Once it's over, neither party should be forced to provide for the other. I do not agree with the ones who bitch about the 50/50 split of assets acquired while married. But forced continued financial support is abhorrent. ![]() That word... |
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How is this legal? How is this ethical? It is sad a judge thinks this is ok.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was talking to a young man yesterday who told me a story about his wife running off with their 3 little kids. She moved in with her trainer she met at the gym. After the divorce she was awarded alimony and child support to the tune of $3400 a month and the guy only makes $4200 a month. He is trying to live on $800 a month and she just went to court again asking for more money ![]() |
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my childhood best friend's life was destroyed by alimony. Married this tramp. She was screwing other guys while they were dating. Got knocked up and he married her. Marriage lasted 1 year. Kid doesn't even look like him. She moved in with a colorful character, but never remarried of course. He never made a lot of money but enough to get by. She got all of it. When his parents died he got their house. Had to sell it to pay bills. Last I heard he was bouncing from couch to couch with no retirement in sight. Was the nicest guy in the world. Eagle Scout and all that. I offered to pay for med coverage but he wouldn't take it. Dropped off radar years ago.
She destroyed him. Even her parents were on his side. Didn't matter. She got everything. |
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The father has a right to live somewhere other than a van down by the river, and the mother shouldn't be buying lipo with the kids' Tyco money. A happy marriage takes two people contributing, a father alone can't maintain two households. Kharn View Quote Or vice versa... |
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Did the OP's wife stay at home and raise the kids, keep the house, and make every meal? If so, does that not deserve support when things go south (not if she cheated of course). I am amazed at home many men here seem to view their wives as slaves, or second class citizens when things go bad in the marriage. One old neighbor who is dead now yelled at the judge during his divorce when the judge awarded her half the pension. He said "she did not work for that money, I did". The judge felt like I did that she spent 45 years taking care of the house, raising the kids, and putting up with his shit, and he was a shit to her. When the prick retired he did not take the pension with survivor benefits. He said it was his money and he wanted all of his pension, not a prorated amount to care for her after he died. Instead of the survivor benefits he took out a $100k insurance policy for her, he even tried to stop paying for it during the divorce but the judge told him not a chance. Prick died alone in Florida and his two surviving kids did not have a service for him because he did not have a single friend in the world. The support goes both ways for the duration of the marriage. Once it's over, neither party should be forced to provide for the other. I do not agree with the ones who bitch about the 50/50 split of assets acquired while married. But forced continued financial support is abhorrent. ![]() That word... |
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I paid 5 years for 2.5 year marriage that ended with proved adultery. Actually brought her boyfriend to court.
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In the US men pay 99 percent of alimony, which is billions of dollars annually.
A lot of alimony-receiving women are not just lazy, but also stupid. A friend of mine was paying alimony and part of his pension to his ex-wife under court order. Then he died early into his retirement so the alimony and pension went away. Now his ex-wife is 67, she may live for another 20 years, and her sole income is half his social security and a small 401k. |
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So if 150 years ago there was a wife that had zero marketable skills and had aged out of child bearing had a husband who fucked around on her and beat her she should just cowboy up and deal with it? View Quote |
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Did the OP's wife stay at home and raise the kids, keep the house, and make every meal? If so, does that not deserve support when things go south (not if she cheated of course). I am amazed at home many men here seem to view their wives as slaves, or second class citizens when things go bad in the marriage. One old neighbor who is dead now yelled at the judge during his divorce when the judge awarded her half the pension. He said "she did not work for that money, I did". The judge felt like I did that she spent 45 years taking care of the house, raising the kids, and putting up with his shit, and he was a shit to her. When the prick retired he did not take the pension with survivor benefits. He said it was his money and he wanted all of his pension, not a prorated amount to care for her after he died. Instead of the survivor benefits he took out a $100k insurance policy for her, he even tried to stop paying for it during the divorce but the judge told him not a chance. Prick died alone in Florida and his two surviving kids did not have a service for him because he did not have a single friend in the world. The support goes both ways for the duration of the marriage. Once it's over, neither party should be forced to provide for the other. I do not agree with the ones who bitch about the 50/50 split of assets acquired while married. But forced continued financial support is abhorrent. ![]() That word... People need to be more careful when picking a mate. |
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in a lot of states, the judge won't fall for that, and state laws allow the judge to impute income to the payor based on the payor's ability to earn. Men try that all the time in child support cases and the court says "nice try, keep paying." View Quote |
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in a lot of states, the judge won't fall for that, and state laws allow the judge to impute income to the payor based on the payor's ability to earn. Men try that all the time in child support cases and the court says "nice try, keep paying." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I know a guy who gave up his professional state licensing, necessary to work in his field, took a $100k+/yr pay cut and started delivering pizzas to support himself, just so they'd have to refigure his alimony. He already lived a smaller rent house that was paid off he got in the divorce when his ex got the main residence... that she could never pay off the mortgage without his money. He said there was no way he was going to work his ass off in a professional field just so his ex could sit on her ass all day. If he was going to have to work the rest of HIS life, so was she. Works about as well as "I sold my '63 Vette to my best friend for $1." |
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In VA it is for life. Consider yourself lucky. My dad will be paying my mother until she finally takes 1 too many muscle relaxers after a bottle of vodka. Can't come soon enough either.
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I don't know what the laws are in NC but in Utah if you are/were married more than 10 years they can (and do) stick you will LIFETIME alimony.
There are way too many men on the hook......it's a control mechanism. Those who have imposed slavery on the men of this country will not fare well in the up coming festivities. I'm not going to cut any down with a rope around their necks.......that's for sure. |
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Did the OP's wife stay at home and raise the kids, keep the house, and make every meal? If so, does that not deserve support when things go south (not if she cheated of course). I am amazed at home many men here seem to view their wives as slaves, or second class citizens when things go bad in the marriage. One old neighbor who is dead now yelled at the judge during his divorce when the judge awarded her half the pension. He said "she did not work for that money, I did". The judge felt like I did that she spent 45 years taking care of the house, raising the kids, and putting up with his shit, and he was a shit to her. When the prick retired he did not take the pension with survivor benefits. He said it was his money and he wanted all of his pension, not a prorated amount to care for her after he died. Instead of the survivor benefits he took out a $100k insurance policy for her, he even tried to stop paying for it during the divorce but the judge told him not a chance. Prick died alone in Florida and his two surviving kids did not have a service for him because he did not have a single friend in the world. View Quote |
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my childhood best friend's life was destroyed by alimony. Married this tramp. She was screwing other guys while they were dating. Got knocked up and he married her. Marriage lasted 1 year. Kid doesn't even look like him. She moved in with a colorful character, but never remarried of course. He never made a lot of money but enough to get by. She got all of it. When his parents died he got their house. Had to sell it to pay bills. Last I heard he was bouncing from couch to couch with no retirement in sight. Was the nicest guy in the world. Eagle Scout and all that. I offered to pay for med coverage but he wouldn't take it. Dropped off radar years ago. She destroyed him. Even her parents were on his side. Didn't matter. She got everything. View Quote |
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Quoted: I disagree. I don’t think it ever made sense. Women should have strong financial disincentives from divorcing their spouse. The same should be true of having children out of wedlock as well. Reality can provide many disincentives... without involving third parties at all. |
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