It's been posted before but it's always good to see how science is applied at BATFE.

ETA: Len is in the thread which is awesome as always.

Wait, they apply science at the ATF?

No, their ego won't allow that. They believe they're even above the laws of science.

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Badass image is badass.

Just like at the CDC.

This thread made Ammoland:

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/08/if-past-practice-is-indicator-atf-correspondence-in-rare-breed-case-will-show-much/

Yes.
There is nothing that supports gun control but irrelevant emotion.

Every argument I have held both in person and online with grabbers and "I support the 2nd but..." types, pure irrelevant feelz.

If you want to call it logic...use theirs against them.

Their approach is to simply address the inanimate object-firearm.
CDC and FBI UCR hosts the data.

Shit hole cities gonna shit hole.
Think of the childrenz! Kids and guns don't mix!
Strange... I was a child once. I didn't die. Succumb to any injuries... I wonder if having real parents, doing parent things, played a role in that opposed to a Darwin parenting award with the forbidden fruit approach that creates allure...

And if they were genuinely concerned about the childrenz.
They'd be calling for the Ban of high capacity bodies of water, pools, and bath tubs.
Per their beloved bureaucracy of the CDC-#1 killer of kids is drowning. Last I looked... firearms related deaths, both accidental and intentional (homicide) weren't even in the top 20 leading causes of death in children.

If you want to call it "logic" apply theirs to say... DWI.
REEE! NO! You can't ban automobiles! MUH RIGHT TO TRAVELZ!
Proceeds to vote for Potatus and fuel prices skyrocket.
REEE! NO! YOU CAN'T BAN ALCOHOL! MOLON BOOZE! Muh prohibitionz!

They do not have 1 relevant logical argument For gun control of any sort.
Not. A. 1.
All irrelevant emotion. All of it. When all of it fails?
They bring up 3 things.
School shootings
Vegas
The San Bernardino bank robbery of the 90s/inner cities everywhere.

All 3 again, easily beat.

I can solve school shootings easily.
Matter of fact, ran the idea by cuckservative Congress critter, and sheriff.
Leftists love "community service" and volunteering.

Allow (they always confuse allow with force, why I have no idea) school faculty to exercise their right to keep and bear arms.
From the 20 something substitute, to the janitor, to the principal.
To help bridge the gap of "us vs them" allow armed volunteers as a form of community service, to act as a supplement to law enforcement, volunteering their time, training, plates, weapon and ammo to stand as armed guards.
To create further incentive, make it a tax decrease for hours served towards their property tax/school tax bill.
Whether 1 day per week or all days per week. It wouldn't cost tax payers a fucking dime.

It shouldn't be parents, kids, and lemmings in fear of wolves. Should be wolves that fear fucking around with committing heinous acts against innocent kids.

NOPE won't fly.
Why-easy.
That irrelevant feelz shit again.
Even here of all places. REEE!  NO! I DEMAND TO KNOW WHAT YOUR TRAINING IS! BACKGROUND IS! PYSCHOLOGICAL CHECKS!
Really? Everyone wants to stop that shit. Until it's time to stop that shit. Then its, descend into leftist tirade of how guns and kids don't mix.
Followed by hyperbolic "what ifs" galore.

I once floated the idea here, it's been lost to the archives and AWS fuckery.
Met the same irrelevant emotion based arguments against it HERE as I did with the sheriff and Congress critter.
One argument I recall, Have you seen the size of kids these days! Ever think of that!
What does that have to do with anything?
What currently is stopping a 15-17 year old standing 6'0 200lbs plays football leads in most tackles/sacks from squaring up against a current SRO?
Surely, the kid is bigger, faster, stronger, more agile than the about to retire coward from Broward that stood hiding in the bushes when parkland happened...yet, said "big kid" didn't strong arm and beat down a deputy for their pistol... so size of Muh kids these days argument-irrelevant feelz.
Otherwise, that would be a thing we all would read about and watch on the news. It's not a thing. So. Again. What does the size of kids these days whether athletic or butter golem have to do with anything?

But. But. MUH TRAININGZ!
Says a cola warrior competitor.
Left argues the exact, same, thing.
Muh trainingz/educationz!
I recently destroyed one on the whole Law enforcement and Military only-Muh trainingz!
Understand this-The left does not see men and women in uniform, as men and women in uniform. Whether military, or law enforcement or EMS/Fire/Search and Rescue.
Once you really listen, really read, they tell you just exactly how they view law enforcement and military.
There isn't a flesh and bone, sentient, soul in uniform. They view law enforcement and military as property/drones of the state.
In a way, they are right. Afterall. NYSP swore an oath and gladly enforce the safeact. You would think if they took that oath serious, they'd have all turned in their badges. Nope. Worry what the hicks in the sticks of upstate keep and bear. Never see them go into shit holes of Arbor Hill, Schenectady, Troy, etc where like shitcago, they stab/shoot each other doing hood rat things... that's for the local PDs...


Do not lend credibility to their bullshit logic

In their eyes. From their mouth, and their keyboards.
Law enforcement and military training produces the only individuals that are competent and trust worthy with ANY type of firearm.
Also, they believe bases allow open loaded carry of all the things... Fort Hood ring a bell?
(So much for Muh physcological background check, shit heel was a physchiatrist)
Because Muh trainingz.
They don't know what their training consists of.

And when vets speak to their perceived Muh trainingz in basic? Johnny law chimes in with qualifying annually for sidearm/rifle...
Phew... hang on tight, those fuckers lose their shit fast.
In their feeble pedantic feelz based minds...Law enforcement training produces the equivalent of-Robocop. Straight bullseyes, perfect determination of perp/suspect vs friendly/bystander within fractions of a second.
In their feeble brain, the military produces the equivalent of the Terminator, and carries sniper like accuracy at all ranges.

Muh trainingz indeed.
Last "argument" if you want to call it that, I call it a battle of the wits with the unarmed.
They pulled the Muh military/law enforcement trainingz.
To which I scorched their ass.
What? You want the armed volunteer populace to follow the military? So you mean to tell me... when adversity strikes...You want armed volunteers to lay down pallets worth of rifles/sidearms/ammo, cash, Wizard eyes, plates/carriers...for the attackers...and retreat?
Surely you jest...

The LOLs that followed with their fellow lemmings even saying-Well...He does have a point there...

They were dumb enough to try with Muh law enforcementz argument.
Again. Easy to destroy that argument.
Wait, I thought you fuckers wanted law enforcement defunded...afterall, racist trigger happy, fascist jack booted thug pigs... your words for the last... oh... 4 years? Think of the minority childrenz you monster!

Again. Their fellow lemmings with some sense about them, LOL he does have a point...

This is how you win against these retards. You get in their irrelevant feelz based heads. Use their "logic" against them. Watch the smoke roll out of their ears because they can't CNN/Share_Blue talking point their way out of that.

They are easily rendered into a corner they painted themselves into. Their hypocrisy and lack of consistency is profound. They are among the dumbest sacks of shit I've had the misfortune of fighting with since I was a teenager. And to this fucking day... ya'll wonder why they win and we lose...
Stop letting them frame the argument/debate and follow a blind false dichotomy of One or the other. You can have BOTH.

Vegas.
They love using Vegas now.
Follow the hypocrisy.
Chants on social media-Magats! Trump Tards! Deplorables! Etc feeble "insults" and how they can't wait to "get even"
Remind them, Vegas happened at a country concert. That literally 90% in attendance lean heavily conservative. Even if Nashville pop.
Now you can turn their half assed "get even" against them. Remind them, through screen shots of their words, their prior "arguments" how thrilled they'd be if we all up and disappeared. Uh oh. Can't have their cake and eat it too... lots of-I DIDN'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT!

So they ask how to prevent another Vegas. Some of their fellow cohorts will surely mental gymnastics their way through with suggesting all mega hotels have law enforcement (again with Muh trainingz) to act like TSA and search all luggage/baggage, and have weapons checked/locked up.
Funded wholly with yet again, our tax dollars.

You sit back and watch them stroke each other's ego of Muh tax fundz! Taxpayer provided services all the things. Because these retards mostly reside in shit hole cities and not much better suburbs.
Where everything to maintain daily life is in fact a tax payer funded, socialized service.

Once they've thoroughly one upped each other thinking Ahh haa! Got em!
Destroy them with.
NO. Wrong.

Even IF you wanted a "compromise" it is not law enforcements duty to satisfy your feelz.
See Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock v Gonzales and ruling in parkland.

Feelz boys. They run on feelz. Present to them the facts, that law enforcement does not have a duty to protect. They shit.
Uh oh.
So much for Muh tax fundz and Muh pohleece! You don't need, because cop on every street corner! Until you hit them with-law enforcement does not have a duty to protect ruled by the Supreme Court.

So insist if you were even open to their goofy assed idea of, TSA levels of "security" and checked/stored/locked weapons brought into hotel, that it would be upon owner/management policy, not tax payers.
Their blood boils because they can not dictate policy when it's their business, their rulez. Hence why they view politics like religion.
Only government knows best... and if .gov can dictate policy through "law"...

This doesn't solely apply to firearms and the right to keep and bear arms...
Literally every form of degeneracy they enacted since before I was born-feelz. Irrelevant feelz. Doubled, tripled, quadrupled down with dumb.
Hence. We can't have nice things.

Propose backyard nuke reactors to power your house? REEEE! MUH CHERNOBYLZ! MUH 3 MILE ISLANDZ! REEE! MUH TERRORISTZ BUILDING BOMBZ!
Riiiigggghhhtttt.... because someone is retarded enough to breech a reactor core bare handed and pull globs of bomb grade plutonium/uranium yes.

Then the whole melt down and uninhabitable radioactive waste land.
Riighhhttt...
Because that's productive and conducive. Surely reactors would be melting down left and right  
But once again, their irrelevant feelz > factz and sciencez!

And their gangs argument.
Again. They have 0 consistency. 0 intelligence and logic.
They view the whole gangbangerz shit with this "they have rightz and due process!" "You can't just spy on them, intervene, and arrest wantonly!"
Once again, they do not have rights, they forfeited their rights when they committed acts of violence against the communities they reside in, they surrendered their rights peddling poison.
They get whacked with a felony, they get whacked with distribution, get picked up as a felon in possession, and that charge never sticks.
Yet. They want You, Me, every swinging dick here, to be felons worse than that of a child molester (see NY Safeact) for exercising their rights to keep and bear arms, as they see fit.

No. Fuck them. Their day of having their cake and eating it too ends when the rest of you cut the shit with hiding behind Muh Jobz Muh familyz, get up off your dead lazy asses, and go argue their degeneracy and hypocrisy from the small town/local level on up to national level.
Keep letting them frame the debates/arguments.
Keep letting them control the narrative unopposed.
Keep letting them go with false dichotomy and Muh compromisez!
They are petty children and mentally ill at that. Tell them no, and why? Deal in specifics and not broad brush strokes like they want you to? They'll shut the fuck up and slink away into irrelevancy and we can have nice things again.

But noooooooo....
That's a politicians job!
Muh jobz Muh familyz!
Muh lesser of two evilz!
Muh decorumz!

anything to justify complacency and laziness.



*sighs* Boys... consider what we lose to...
Ask yourselves, how did it come to this.
Answer: by not using your words and spine and telling those fuckers No and why not.
Too worried about Muh high roadz. How well has that worked for us? It hasn't?
Fuck decorumz. Fuck feelz.
Get in that mud. Wrestle with that pig. Exploit it's weaknesses and stupidity. Hog tie that fucker. And reduce it to screaming wailing embarrassment pissing itself.
Contrary to that whole, don't jump in the mud and Wrestle with pigs, you'll only get dirty and it'll have fun at your expense, drivel...
You absolutely can have fun at the hogs expense. Takes effort. Takes patience. Takes work. You'd know if you ever had to wrestle/rope a pig. Something suburbanites and cityiots know nothing about.

All it takes is your words. Facts. And a fucking spine. But no. Be Fat dumb and happy with what is. Don't go demanding or wanting better. That's too much like hard work. Doesn't take shots fired in anger. A ground assault. Muh 1776z!
Grow a pair of balls. Don't be afraid to be that guy. Use your words. Hurt their feelz. Destroy their lemming logic.
Or dont. Don't bitch if you chose complacency.

This is America. Freedom > feelz. America wasn't born on feelz. Washington didn't feel his way to get the limeys to dip out.

Now look at us.
A despicable shameful embarrassment of what once was.
Half fags worried about masks and vaccines.
Simpletons lacking foresight because fuck current and future generations I gotz mine.
Lazy apathetic fucks reliant on tax payer funded all the things to maintain daily life.
Urban sprawl.
Muh noise ordinancez. Etc etc etc...


There's a ton of problems that absolutely are solveable and it doesn't take getting kitted up and booging out. They want that by the way. That's more fuel for their feelz.
It literally is that easy to grow a pair and use your words.

Again, run for office.

Any updates from RBTs?