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Posted: 8/21/2021 9:39:40 AM EDT
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Intelligence and ATF don’t go together.
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Posted: 8/21/2021 10:05:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oddly enough, I googled the phone # in that pic, and this popped up: https://www.scribd.com/document/520521259/US-DIS-FLMD-6-21cv1245-NOTICE-by-Bureau-of-Alcohol-Tobacco-Firearms-and-E Some interesting reading..... apologies to the dupe police if it's already been posted Hope Rare Breed is watching this. |
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Posted: 8/21/2021 10:09:26 AM EDT
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It is somewhat encouraging that they learned about it from 4chan and not the dozens of pages long post on Arfcom. Maybe bureaucratic incompetence will be our greatest advantage going forward.
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Posted: 8/21/2021 10:10:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is somewhat encouraging that they learned about it from 4chan and not the dozens of pages long post on Arfcom. Maybe bureaucratic incompetence will be our greatest advantage going forward. That dude was on 4chan for a whole different reason, and stumbled on it after he jizzed in his trash can. To what, who knows. |
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Posted: 8/21/2021 10:13:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oddly enough, I googled the phone # in that pic, and this popped up: https://www.scribd.com/document/520521259/US-DIS-FLMD-6-21cv1245-NOTICE-by-Bureau-of-Alcohol-Tobacco-Firearms-and-E Some interesting reading..... apologies to the dupe police if it's already been posted |
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Posted: 8/21/2021 10:15:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is somewhat encouraging that they learned about it from 4chan and not the dozens of pages long post on Arfcom. Maybe bureaucratic incompetence will be our greatest advantage going forward. You don't shit where you eat. |
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Posted: 8/21/2021 10:19:03 AM EDT
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HONK HONK MUDDER FUCKER!
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Posted: 8/21/2021 10:38:03 AM EDT
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Little to no interest in owning one of these triggers, a bump stock or a similar contrivance.
Nonetheless, the ATF can pound sand, it's not their fucking decision, and God Damn congress for abdicating that responsibility to a bunch of shitbird bureaucrats. |
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Posted: 8/21/2021 2:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Location checks out Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can someone explain to me what a rare breed trigger does? I watched the animation, it just looks like a normal trigger with the parts in different spots. Edit: I think I figured it out. So to my understanding, if you keep pressure on the trigger it will continue to fire until you let off the trigger or run out of ammo? Sounds like a machine gun to me. Now I think people should be able to have full auto, but I don't see this going well for the people selling them. Location checks out I'm not sure why I'm getting dogpiled, I'm just saying how the ATF is likely to interpret it. They'll end up getting shut down. I never said I agree with it, just that you are being dense if you think they won't use similar language when classifying it. |
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Posted: 8/21/2021 3:28:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Functionally, as best I can tell, the FRT is basically a single mode version of the Tac-Con with the addition of a locking bar to prevent hammer follow, which can cause unsafe out of battery ignition. From watching and reading best I can find supposedly the difference is on the 3MR if you keep constant pressure on the trigger it will not come of the disconnector. the forward push is not enough to completely reset the trigger without a brief release. Supposedly you must actually release the trigger for the disconnector to completely disengage. After watching videos of people using it I could see no advantage to it at all. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 1:59:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Little to no interest in owning one of these triggers, a bump stock or a similar contrivance. Nonetheless, the ATF can pound sand, it's not their fucking decision, and God Damn congress for abdicating that responsibility to a bunch of shitbird bureaucrats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Little to no interest in owning one of these triggers, a bump stock or a similar contrivance. Nonetheless, the ATF can pound sand, it's not their fucking decision, and God Damn congress for abdicating that responsibility to a bunch of shitbird bureaucrats. Rule of Thumb, if the Government does not want you to buy/own X, you should be buying at least 5 Xs in cash, FTF. Quoted: Hope Rare Breed is watching this. Gonna email them this email. Quoted: It is somewhat encouraging that they learned about it from 4chan and not the dozens of pages long post on Arfcom. Maybe bureaucratic incompetence will be our greatest advantage going forward. Its the ATF, Federals are not known for working hard, which is a benefit to us. Frankly I would pay them twice as much to do nothing, cheaper in the long run for us. Quoted: You don't shit where you eat. Its the ATF, they ruin everything they touch. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 3:31:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It sounds like a machine gun, but it's not because it does this, https://i.imgur.com/Sevny52.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can someone explain to me what a rare breed trigger does? I watched the animation, it just looks like a normal trigger with the parts in different spots. Edit: I think I figured it out. So to my understanding, if you keep pressure on the trigger it will continue to fire until you let off the trigger or run out of ammo? Sounds like a machine gun to me. Now I think people should be able to have full auto, but I don't see this going well for the people selling them. https://i.imgur.com/Sevny52.gif Does that look oddly erotic to anyone else? |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 7:36:51 AM EDT
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Seems their Intelligence group should be spending more time looking for felons and gangs possessing firearms, folks running guns, and prohibited persons that attempt to buy firearms. You know, real investigative work.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 9:23:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems their Intelligence group should be spending more time looking for felons and gangs possessing firearms, folks running guns, and prohibited persons that attempt to buy firearms. You know, real investigative work. First you make more of them then it is easier for you to catch them. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 9:51:25 AM EDT
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Any truth to the atf sending a letter with the “law” but actually changed the wording to fit the narrative?
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Posted: 8/22/2021 9:57:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's reassuring to know that our government overlords use creditable sources such as 4chan when interpreting the law  The government takes very seriously what goes on at 4Chan.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 10:59:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any truth to the atf sending a letter with the "law" but actually changed the wording to fit the narrative? Semi auto trigger - pull(trigger function) = bang. release(trigger function) = reset. repeat. Binary trigger - pull(trigger function) = bang and reset. release(trigger function) = bang and reset. repeat. FRT - pull(trigger function) = bang. Mechanical action(trigger function) = reset. repeat. MG - pull(trigger function) = bang. HOLD(NO trigger function) bang, bang bang...... release(trigger function) = reset. repeat. AFT - The shooter only pulls the trigger once. The FRT resets the trigger, not the shooter, the shooter holds\continues the initial pull. It changes the significance of "function of the trigger" to "action of the shooter" It removes the distinction between semi and auto. Bump fire - Recoil allows the trigger to reset, not the shooter. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 11:00:51 AM EDT
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Rob moans when he wipes his ass.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 11:05:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, you mean the ATF lied?! Holy Dog Shit! These Jack Booted fucks are digging themselves deeper and deeper and just refuse to stop, I hope the judge buries them It's been pretty well established that ATF had not actually evaluated the FRT-15 before declaring it an MG; Kevin Maxwell called their bluff on it in his reply to the cease and desist letter. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 11:12:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure why I'm getting dogpiled, I'm just saying how the ATF is likely to interpret it. They'll end up getting shut down. I never said I agree with it, just that you are being dense if you think they won't use similar language when classifying it. The AFT wants one thing, but to the letter of the law, it’s not a machine gun. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 11:29:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been pretty well established that ATF had not actually evaluated the FRT-15 before declaring it an MG; Kevin Maxwell called their bluff on it in his reply to the cease and desist letter.  ATF Technical Examination of the FRT-15 Trigger |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 11:41:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ATF had physical posession of the rare breed trigger for examination on June 4th 2021.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juSH1fwfjVAAnd yet when pressed to provide their evaluation on July 25th, they were unable to do so. These two things are not mutually exclusive, though it is possible the field agent was incredibly lazy and thought he could issue a cease and desist without any actual substantiation. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 11:49:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That dude was on 4chan for a whole different reason, and stumbled on it after he jizzed in his trash can. To what, who knows. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is somewhat encouraging that they learned about it from 4chan and not the dozens of pages long post on Arfcom. Maybe bureaucratic incompetence will be our greatest advantage going forward. That dude was on 4chan for a whole different reason, and stumbled on it after he jizzed in his trash can. To what, who knows. Everyone knows Homer buckets are the preferred receptacle under your government issued desk for semen. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 11:52:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The AFT wants one thing, but to the letter of the law, it’s not a machine gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not sure why I'm getting dogpiled, I'm just saying how the ATF is likely to interpret it. They'll end up getting shut down. I never said I agree with it, just that you are being dense if you think they won't use similar language when classifying it. The AFT wants one thing, but to the letter of the law, it’s not a machine gun. Chevron Deference needs to be overturned for anything involving criminal charges. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 12:08:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet when pressed to provide their evaluation on July 25th, they were unable to do so. These two things are not mutually exclusive, though it is possible the field agent was incredibly lazy and thought he could issue a cease and desist without any actual substantiation. That's exactly what happened but it wasn't just a field agent. It was the head of the Tampa office. 
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Posted: 8/22/2021 12:33:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCan someone post the document where that snippet comes from? I found a reference on a site that pulls stuff from PACER, but couldn't read without signing up for their paid service. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 12:35:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Intelligence and ATF don’t go together. It's not supposed to. Political agendas |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 12:40:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is somewhat encouraging that they learned about it from 4chan and not the dozens of pages long post on Arfcom. Maybe bureaucratic incompetence will be our greatest advantage going forward. No. It won't. Government is never wrong, especially when it is wrong. It will do what it wants and tie up the opposition with loose interpretation, negligence, claiming incompetence as a right and if need be, physical and 'legal' violation. The line has been crossed. They love line crossing. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 12:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The government takes very seriously what goes on at 4Chan. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241013/E38CDDE7-CFF7-4341-95F0-C0162455E161_png-2061783.JPG What the hell are they looking at? |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 3:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In clown world it is difficult to tell sarcasm from reality.  You are correct and I agree 100%. 
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Posted: 8/22/2021 3:47:37 PM EDT
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For all the folks who think half of the posters on GD are actually ATF agents. . . . .
Turns out they actually get their gun information on /k 
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Posted: 8/22/2021 3:59:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For all the folks who think half of the posters on GD are actually ATF agents. . . . . Turns out they actually get their gun information on /k At least/k/ommandos actually shoot their guns.
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Posted: 8/22/2021 4:14:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The law is "one shot per function of the trigger". AFT has been manipulating the law with "one shot per pull of the trigger". Semi auto trigger - pull(trigger function) = bang. release(trigger function) = reset. repeat. Binary trigger - pull(trigger function) = bang and reset. release(trigger function) = bang and reset. repeat. FRT - pull(trigger function) = bang. Mechanical action(trigger function) = reset. repeat. MG - pull(trigger function) = bang. HOLD(NO trigger function) bang, bang bang...... release(trigger function) = reset. repeat. AFT - The shooter only pulls the trigger once. The FRT resets the trigger, not the shooter, the shooter holds\continues the initial pull. It changes the significance of "function of the trigger" to "action of the shooter" It removes the distinction between semi and auto. Bump fire - Recoil allows the trigger to reset, not the shooter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Any truth to the atf sending a letter with the "law" but actually changed the wording to fit the narrative? Semi auto trigger - pull(trigger function) = bang. release(trigger function) = reset. repeat. Binary trigger - pull(trigger function) = bang and reset. release(trigger function) = bang and reset. repeat. FRT - pull(trigger function) = bang. Mechanical action(trigger function) = reset. repeat. MG - pull(trigger function) = bang. HOLD(NO trigger function) bang, bang bang...... release(trigger function) = reset. repeat. AFT - The shooter only pulls the trigger once. The FRT resets the trigger, not the shooter, the shooter holds\continues the initial pull. It changes the significance of "function of the trigger" to "action of the shooter" It removes the distinction between semi and auto. Bump fire - Recoil allows the trigger to reset, not the shooter. But bump fire requires you to push the firearm forward to re-engage the trigger. The fact that there was a spring to automatically move the receiver and re-engage the trigger is what originally caused the Atkins Accelerator to be ruled a machine gun. I think they are using the same logic in that there is an internal device causing the trigger to reset. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 6:28:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure why I'm getting dogpiled, I'm just saying how the ATF is likely to interpret it. They'll end up getting shut down. I never said I agree with it, just that you are being dense if you think they won't use similar language when classifying it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can someone explain to me what a rare breed trigger does? I watched the animation, it just looks like a normal trigger with the parts in different spots. Edit: I think I figured it out. So to my understanding, if you keep pressure on the trigger it will continue to fire until you let off the trigger or run out of ammo? Sounds like a machine gun to me. Now I think people should be able to have full auto, but I don't see this going well for the people selling them. Location checks out I'm not sure why I'm getting dogpiled, I'm just saying how the ATF is likely to interpret it. They'll end up getting shut down. I never said I agree with it, just that you are being dense if you think they won't use similar language when classifying it. By the legal definition, the FRT is not a machine gun. It’s basically triggerslap, or forced bumpfiring. Their interpretation is going to require some strange mental gymnastics. |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 6:34:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By the legal definition, the FRT is not a machine gun. It’s basically triggerslap, or forced bumpfiring. Their interpretation is going to require some strange mental gymnastics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can someone explain to me what a rare breed trigger does? I watched the animation, it just looks like a normal trigger with the parts in different spots. Edit: I think I figured it out. So to my understanding, if you keep pressure on the trigger it will continue to fire until you let off the trigger or run out of ammo? Sounds like a machine gun to me. Now I think people should be able to have full auto, but I don't see this going well for the people selling them. Location checks out I'm not sure why I'm getting dogpiled, I'm just saying how the ATF is likely to interpret it. They'll end up getting shut down. I never said I agree with it, just that you are being dense if you think they won't use similar language when classifying it. By the legal definition, the FRT is not a machine gun. It’s basically triggerslap, or forced bumpfiring. Their interpretation is going to require some strange mental gymnastics. I need to go dig that shitty Tapco trigger kit out of my junk drawer and sell it for $495.95.  Kharn |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 1:18:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Seems their Intelligence group should be spending more time looking for felons and gangs possessing firearms, folks running guns, and prohibited persons that attempt to buy firearms. You know, real investigative work. Quoted: First you make more of them then it is easier for you to catch them. Its easier and safer for them to turn innocent people who will try and fight within the courts to protect the life they built for themselves rather then take on criminals who will plug them with zero fucks to give. The ATF are the most cowardly fucks of the cowardly fuck Federal Government. Take away their tactic of home invasion and what do they have? Not much else, you take away dirty tactics of a bully and all you have is a coward. Quoted: The government takes very seriously what goes on at 4Chan. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241013/E38CDDE7-CFF7-4341-95F0-C0162455E161_png-2061783.JPG Just remember this photo when you hear people ask how we lost Afghanistan. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 1:37:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: What the hell are they looking at? Posts from Pol that they downloaded, printed out, cut out, glued to a massive board, and then studied them...These retards do not know they could just take a screenshot and then put it into a power point format. They wasted time and tax dollar funds to study shitposting on Pol, and they wonder why we hate the brass, worthless cocksuckers to a man. Quoted: For all the folks who think half of the posters on GD are actually ATF agents. . . . . Turns out they actually get their gun information on /k Yeah, people do insane shit there, from the anon who found a hand grenade and microwaved it,  Top 5 Disturbing 4chan Events - GFM to a guy who found a live chemical shell on his farm (lived in France?) and got gassed,  Failed To Load Title to a guy who tried to make his own nerve gas and likely died  Failed To Load Title K is Autism squared, its a awesome place! |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 2:24:34 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But bump fire requires you to push the firearm forward to re-engage the trigger. The fact that there was a spring to automatically move the receiver and re-engage the trigger is what originally caused the Atkins Accelerator to be ruled a machine gun. I think they are using the same logic in that there is an internal device causing the trigger to reset. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Any truth to the atf sending a letter with the "law" but actually changed the wording to fit the narrative? Semi auto trigger - pull(trigger function) = bang. release(trigger function) = reset. repeat. Binary trigger - pull(trigger function) = bang and reset. release(trigger function) = bang and reset. repeat. FRT - pull(trigger function) = bang. Mechanical action(trigger function) = reset. repeat. MG - pull(trigger function) = bang. HOLD(NO trigger function) bang, bang bang...... release(trigger function) = reset. repeat. AFT - The shooter only pulls the trigger once. The FRT resets the trigger, not the shooter, the shooter holds\continues the initial pull. It changes the significance of "function of the trigger" to "action of the shooter" It removes the distinction between semi and auto. Bump fire - Recoil allows the trigger to reset, not the shooter. But bump fire requires you to push the firearm forward to re-engage the trigger. The fact that there was a spring to automatically move the receiver and re-engage the trigger is what originally caused the Atkins Accelerator to be ruled a machine gun. I think they are using the same logic in that there is an internal device causing the trigger to reset. The trigger is pushed back, it fires. Firearm recoils\moves back, off your stationary finger, recoil spring resets trigger. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 3:34:09 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: By the legal definition, the FRT is not a machine gun. It’s basically triggerslap, or forced bumpfiring. Their interpretation is going to require some strange mental gymnastics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can someone explain to me what a rare breed trigger does? I watched the animation, it just looks like a normal trigger with the parts in different spots. Edit: I think I figured it out. So to my understanding, if you keep pressure on the trigger it will continue to fire until you let off the trigger or run out of ammo? Sounds like a machine gun to me. Now I think people should be able to have full auto, but I don't see this going well for the people selling them. Location checks out I'm not sure why I'm getting dogpiled, I'm just saying how the ATF is likely to interpret it. They'll end up getting shut down. I never said I agree with it, just that you are being dense if you think they won't use similar language when classifying it. By the legal definition, the FRT is not a machine gun. It’s basically triggerslap, or forced bumpfiring. Their interpretation is going to require some strange mental gymnastics. My first AK47 was a century AK with horrible trigger slap. I could bump that bitch like a motherfucker. Was painful to shoot normally. |
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Posted: 8/27/2021 12:53:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My first AK47 was a century AK with horrible trigger slap. I could bump that bitch like a motherfucker. Was painful to shoot normally. Century arms I assume? |
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Posted: 8/27/2021 1:02:08 AM EDT
[#41]
In case people were wondering who the idiots asking stupid machine gun/trigger "not today mr atf man" type questions here are.
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Posted: 8/27/2021 1:09:29 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Century arms I assume? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My first AK47 was a century AK with horrible trigger slap. I could bump that bitch like a motherfucker. Was painful to shoot normally. Century arms I assume? 
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Posted: 8/27/2021 1:15:11 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can someone explain to me what a rare breed trigger does? I watched the animation, it just looks like a normal trigger with the parts in different spots. Edit: I think I figured it out. So to my understanding, if you keep pressure on the trigger it will continue to fire until you let off the trigger or run out of ammo? Sounds like a machine gun to me. Now I think people should be able to have full auto, but I don't see this going well for the people selling them. Join date, post count, location Not a machine gun, scro |
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Posted: 8/27/2021 1:23:07 AM EDT
[#44]
Not a machine gun.
I work for UPS. They are extremely popular and still being delivered. A few guys buy multiples but many have one. Hold the line. FATF. |
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Posted: 8/27/2021 3:28:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a machine gun. I work for UPS. They are extremely popular and still being delivered. A few guys buy multiples but many have one. Hold the line. FATF. I like how you know the sending address well enough not notice, PS badass they are still be ordered, if I had the bread to throw down I would order one. |
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Posted: 8/27/2021 10:53:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like how you know the sending address well enough not notice, PS badass they are still be ordered, if I had the bread to throw down I would order one. That's why I had mine trans-shipped through Bob's House of Sex Toys first.
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Posted: 8/27/2021 11:02:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's reassuring to know that our government overlords use creditable sources such as 4chan when interpreting the law Hey man, the piss dossier was totally real. |
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Posted: 8/28/2021 12:04:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why I had mine trans-shipped through Bob's House of Sex Toys first. What is this "trans-shipped" thing? @Marquar |
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Posted: 8/28/2021 12:10:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey man, the piss dossier was totally real. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's reassuring to know that our government overlords use creditable sources such as 4chan when interpreting the law Hey man, the piss dossier was totally real. To be honest, 4chan has a better track record then the MSM, but its K, you have retards starting forest fires because they filled up shotgun rounds with homemade Napalm with magnesium shavings and tried to hunt squirrels with them. If you think I am joking google 4chan K magical place I swear to god I am not joking. Anon called the "Fuck your shit" rounds. |
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Posted: 8/28/2021 6:48:55 AM EDT
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 Attached Filethe ATF determined the FRT-15 was a machinegun by attaching a zip tie https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.392523/gov.uscourts.flmd.392523.32.0.pdf |
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