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Posted: 12/18/2003 11:46:21 AM EDT
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Quoted: I thought talk of revolution and such was forbidden. [nono] OK, King George. NOTHING I've said is NOT in keeping with the spirit of the Founding Fathers. If they are not welcome here, I don't want to be here. |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 11:48:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Shaggy - It appears we agree on the nature of the problem. We just disagree on teh nature of teh solution. In my estimation, the only REAL solution is revolution. Your "solution" merely postpones the problem to a time when I'll be too old to fight for the Constitution in the revolutiuon. I'm with you GM, but given a choice I'd rather ride the slippery slope for a while than dive right into the deep end. At least with the slow decline I have more time to stock up on ammo. |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 12:10:38 PM EDT
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Nobody here has mentioned that Dean has absolutely NO EXPERIENCE in foreign policy decisions. I'm not voting for Lieberman, but he got it right when he said that if Dean was president, Saddam Hussein would still be in his castle(s). This nut wants to usurp our military and bring everyone home, which would mean that our doors would be open to every terrorist cell that wanted to establish a foothold with either direct attacks or sleeper cells. The SCOTUS issue has already been addressed here, so I won't belabor the point. Aside from that, all Dean's other policies are so far-left that they make Bill Klinton look like a good Republican. And Dean is lying through his teeth about preserving ANY of our rights, much less the Second Amendment. He's just trying to give the southern democraps a blow-job trying to get their votes. This fool is a dangerous man, make no mistake about it. Handing the POTUS to him would be like giving the car keys to a drunk high school kid.
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Posted: 12/18/2003 12:42:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm with you GM, but given a choice I'd rather ride the slippery slope for a while than dive right into the deep end. At least with the slow decline I have more time to stock up on ammo. And we have a WINNER!!! Ding ding ding ding!!! I've been saying this for some time in these debates. What is the rush? I believe it's going to happen anyways. So why hurry there? To get to the other side sooner? Do you think this revolution is going to be like a spring squall where all hell breaks loose one minute and the sun shines through the next? I don't think so. By the time it degenerates to that point, it's going to be long, slow, gloom and doom. The first Civil War was quite an apocalypse in that day. Things are MUCH more complicated nowadays. No... I'll continue to prepare as I am able to take care of the needs of my family during such a time. And I'll continue to show my kids as much of "the good life" that I grew up with as I can, until it's no longer possible. Why hurry this revolution? I don't think I am making an understatement when I say "IT'S GOING TO SUCK"... |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 12:44:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: In my estimation, the only REAL solution is revolution. Your "solution" merely postpones the problem to a time when I'll be too old to fight for the Constitution in the revolutiuon. Wow. I didn't realize that our country has such a serious problem to a point that we have to have a revolution to solve it.[rolleyes] |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 12:53:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Wow. I didn't realize that our country has such a serious problem to a point that we have to have a revolution to solve it.[rolleyes] Well, compare 1776 to now. 1. Taxation without representation, both then and now (Medicare bill). 2. Political speech is being taken away (CFR) then and now 3. Politicians (Dem and Rep) are actively working to disarm us then and now. 4. There was no consensus on the solution then and now When they make the Arfcom movie, they can cast me in the (dare I say it) "Patrick Henry" role. 4. |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 1:17:57 PM EDT
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Lookie here chicken little...
You want the sky to fall today or tomorrow. It just ain't gonna happen that way. Might fall the day after that, but probably not. It's not really falling at all, more like "sinking". And it's still got a ways to go yet. But the time most sheeple get it, it'll be too late for them to do much about it. The only way it's going to drop on us is if we have another 9/11 or worse. Will take mass panic and hysteria. As far as the taking away of our rights, it's happening too slow for most people to get it. In fact, look at airport security following 9/11. The sheeple WANT it. And since gun owners are as different as the rest of the sheeple in their beliefs, morals, etc, then they are fractured too. You aren't going to get your revolution for a while unless the terrorists manage to speed it up. |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 1:24:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Lookie here chicken little... You aren't going to get your revolution for a while unless the terrorists manage to speed it up. I realize that. Mostly cuz people of like yourself. let me analogize... The Dems want to throw us in the frying pan. If that happens we ALL feel the heat and jump out The Repubs want to throw us in teh cool water, and then slowly turn up the heat under the pot till we're cooked. The masses will never notice it. The country the Founding Fathers delivered us has a BETTER chance of surviving the INSTANT heat of the Dems frying pan, than the slow boil of the Repubs pot. And apparently so do you. |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 1:44:33 PM EDT
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GM -
I guess what I don't get is why "people like yourself" are so damn quick to want to end it all and get it over with. I get tired of the state of affairs in this country. I get VERY tired of it. I beat the good old "founding fathers" drum as loudly as anyone in my daily conversations with the sheeple. But dangit... I AM NOT IN A HURRY TO SEE EVERYONE THAT I LOVE IN A CIVIL WAR. Why would you be? I think that people see too many movies and are ready to jump in a make their own real-life movie. But once you're in the middle of making that "movie" there won't be ANY going back in the event that things get more hairy that we thought they'd be. And the WILL be hairy. I hope that you enjoy this revolution, because most probably won't. And things won't go back to being "good" again for many years after it, perhaps many generations. You're talking about tearing down everything and starting over. This country will be on its knees during that period. In other words, NOT THE SUPERPOWER of the world. Does that sound like a good place to be to you? Edited to add: Do you think that Uncle Sam is going to be fending-off the outside world while he is undergoing major surgery from within? Liken that to yourself. Could you defend yourself during open heart surgery? |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 1:56:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: GM - I guess what I don't get is why "people like yourself" are so damn quick to want to end it all and get it over with. ? That's just it. IT WOULDN'T BE THE END. IT would be a glorous beginning. Our Constitution, and the heart beat of freedom is so strong that America would not only survive, it would re-emerge as the bastion of freedom teh FF delivered us. In the short term, the pain would be IMMENSE. But like child birth, once that "newborn" arrives, the pain is soon forgotten, and hope springs eternal. DEnying reality only prolongs our current pain. Let us embrace reality, and the great freedom that results when free men stand on their principles. No matter the cost. as the saying goes "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 2:07:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: GM - I guess what I don't get is why "people like yourself" are so damn quick to want to end it all and get it over with. ? That's just it. IT WOULDN'T BE THE END. IT would be a glorous beginning. Our Constitution, and the heart beat of freedom is so strong that America would not only survive, it would re-emerge as the bastion of freedom teh FF delivered us. In the short term, the pain would be IMMENSE. But like child birth, once that "newborn" arrives, the pain is soon forgotten, and hope springs eternal. DEnying reality only prolongs our current pain. Let us embrace reality, and the great freedom that results when free men stand on their principles. No matter the cost. as the saying goes "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." I hear ya man... I really do. Believe it or not, you and I want the same thing. I'm just not ready for me, my wife, my 5 young children, and my loved ones to pay the price for that newfound freedom. This reminds me of the beginning of The Patriot. And I thought Mel Gibson was kind of a wuss for being slow to take up arms. That was BEFORE I put myself in his shoes. If and when things get to that point, I will be there, fighting for freedom. But I'm just in NO HURRY AT ALL to get to that point. Edited cause I screwed up my post and put it inside the quotes. Say... what about this whole internet thing? Ain't it great? Probably wouldn't have it for a while if this country was in disarray. |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 2:13:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm with you GM, but given a choice I'd rather ride the slippery slope for a while than dive right into the deep end. At least with the slow decline I have more time to stock up on ammo. And we have a WINNER!!! Ding ding ding ding!!! I've been saying this for some time in these debates. What is the rush? I believe it's going to happen anyways. So why hurry there? To get to the other side sooner? Do you think this revolution is going to be like a spring squall where all hell breaks loose one minute and the sun shines through the next? I don't think so. By the time it degenerates to that point, it's going to be long, slow, gloom and doom. The first Civil War was quite an apocalypse in that day. Things are MUCH more complicated nowadays. No... I'll continue to prepare as I am able to take care of the needs of my family during such a time. And I'll continue to show my kids as much of "the good life" that I grew up with as I can, until it's no longer possible. Why hurry this revolution? I don't think I am making an understatement when I say "IT'S GOING TO SUCK"... Some of us have been "preparing", for twenty years or better!! I'll be Long DEAD, by the time y'all get set, (if ever!!) [rolleyes] |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 2:16:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: [b] Quoted: In my estimation, the only REAL solution is revolution. Your "solution" merely postpones the problem to a time when I'll be too old to fight for the Constitution in the revolutiuon. Wow. I didn't realize that our country has such a serious problem to a point that we have to have a revolution to solve it.[rolleyes] Do you actually believe we're gonna solve it by continuing to vote for those who are forging our chains?? Hmmmm?? |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 2:17:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: Some of us have been "preparing", for twenty years or better!! I'll be Long DEAD, by the time y'all get set, (if ever!!) [rolleyes] I am 35. I was being prepared by my parents since I was a child. We weren't paranoid. But we were preparing for big doo-doo of one form or another. But like anyone who may be going into the HUGE and possibly ugly unknown, you never feel like you're prepared. I am more prepared than most, but could always be MORE prepared. |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 2:25:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: That's just it. IT WOULDN'T BE THE END. IT would be [red]a glorous beginning[/red]. Our Constitution, and the heart beat of freedom is so strong that [red]America would not only survive, it would re-emerge as the bastion of freedom teh FF delivered us[/red]. I don't eagerly away the coming "change" in gov't/society/nation at all. But this is worthy of another thread and I'm short on time right now so I'll begin a new one later tonight. It's been in the back of my mind for a long time and I'm very interested to see yours and [b]Lib86[/b] and others' opinions on it. Suffice to say that when "change" comes and America goes, it won't be coming back in a form the FFs intended. [}:(] |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 4:04:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Wow. I didn't realize that our country has such a serious problem to a point that we have to have a revolution to solve it.[rolleyes] Well, compare 1776 to now. 1. Taxation without representation, both then and now (Medicare bill). 2. Political speech is being taken away (CFR) then and now 3. Politicians (Dem and Rep) are actively working to disarm us then and now. 4. There was no consensus on the solution then and now When they make the Arfcom movie, they can cast me in the (dare I say it) "Patrick Henry" role. 4. Are these issues critical enough for all the citizens to rise up to change to a new America? I truly don't think so. Are you discontented almost everything about this society? Are you poor and starve every single day of your life? How many of your friends feel the same way as you? Are they willing to forgo everything to stand besides you? Does their family have the same commitment? You think revolution (I didn't hear this term since Assaultweb) is something that everyone stands up and "Boom, it's done". Good luck with your quest. |
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Posted: 12/18/2003 4:17:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: [b] Quoted: In my estimation, the only REAL solution is revolution. Your "solution" merely postpones the problem to a time when I'll be too old to fight for the Constitution in the revolutiuon. Wow. I didn't realize that our country has such a serious problem to a point that we have to have a revolution to solve it.[rolleyes] Do you actually believe we're gonna solve it by continuing to vote for those who are forging our chains?? Hmmmm?? Not sure how to solve it. All the issues nowadays are convoluted, intertwined, and affecting every citizen of our nation. They're no longer simple as the the beginning of our nation. The only way I know how is to vote, build friendship, have a very broad political base to hopefully affect the election one way or another, BUT not a revolution. Remember, everyone plays by the same rule, and that's voting. It might not a way you like, but it's the only game in town. Why? Do you have a better solution? |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 4:20:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: You think revolution (I didn't hear this term since Assaultweb) is something that everyone stands up and "Boom, it's done". Good luck with your quest. With people with your attitude, obviously NO. Obviously, you won't see the problem UNTIL you [red]are[/red] starving in the streets. IIRC, the War for Independence began with MAYBE 20% of the colonists in agreement with it. The heavy lifting is ALWAYS done not by the many, but by the few. SO, all I ask of you is that you GET OUT OF THE WAY when the time comes. I don't ask your help - just that you don't get in the way. MMmmmmkay????? |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 6:30:40 AM EDT
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IIRC, the War for Independence began with MAYBE 20% of the colonists in agreement with it. And that right there is why there will not be any revolution. If you had 20% of just the registered voters actually go out and vote in support of what you want, you would be the largest single block of special interest votes in the country and both parties would fight to lick your boots. 40% of registered voters didn't even vote in the last election and it had strong turnout. If you had 20% that were motivated to vote for your agenda, you wouldn't need to fight. You would control fully 1/3 of the votes in the last three elections. If people can't be bothered to get off their ass and do a punch card for a particular agenda, they certainly aren't going to fight and die for it. Just out of curiousity, what percentage do you think you have as of today that would support a revolution of any kind? Feel free to include groups that have completely different goals (say the Black Panthers and the KKK) but share a desire for armed revolt. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 6:36:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: You think revolution (I didn't hear this term since Assaultweb) is something that everyone stands up and "Boom, it's done". Good luck with your quest. With people with your attitude, obviously NO. It has nothing to do with 'attitude'--your outlook is different from mine. [b]Obviously, you won't see the problem UNTIL you [red]are[/red] starving in the streets. My question of 'starving' have to do with: People when have enough to eat, places to stay, which essentially the basic necessities (among other things) for everyday life WILL not 'follow' you. Why do you think the "welfare" system have a place in our society? [b]IIRC, the War for Independence began with MAYBE 20% of the colonists in agreement with it. Different era. FFs fought against England-- supposely a foreign country and governed by a foreign country--in the eyes of the colonists. There was a thirst of having a new country, governing by the colonists. This is our country. Leaders are elected into the office. If you don't like it, then figure out ways to change it, and 'revolution' is a wrong way to do it, IMO anyway. [b]SO, all I ask of you is that you GET OUT OF THE WAY when the time comes. I don't ask your help - just that you don't get in the way. MMmmmmkay????? Hmmm. So this is the only way to change for the better, huh? G-Man. I DO understand what you're trying to get acrossed. Believe, I do. There are things, laws, societal factors in our country that need to change/modify, and my way of doing is just different from you; that's all. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 6:38:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Just out of curiousity, what percentage do you think you have as of today that would support a revolution of any kind? Feel free to include groups that have completely different goals (say the Black Panthers and the KKK) but share a desire for armed revolt. Max, MAYBE 1/4 of 1 %. Once started, MAYBE MAX 2% would join in. Judging from this site (the hardcore gun owners) I'd say my estimate could be over generous. We've become fat and happy, willing to continue "sliding down the slippery slope" with teh Repubs (as stated above by another poster), rather than do the "heavy lifting" required today. Esentially the attitude is "Hey, hopefully I'll die before it gets too bad. I'll let it be my childrens problem." My comments here are intended merely as a barometer to test willingness to "do the heavy lifting." Can I revise my previous estimate to 1/100th of one percent??? Sad. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 6:44:48 AM EDT
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My comments here are intended merely as a barometer to test willingness to "do the heavy lifting." Another good barometer is that whole voting thing - which was kind of the point I was trying to convey. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 6:50:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: Hmmm. So this is the only way to change for the better, huh? Some people SMARTER than me whose opinion I respect VERY much have proven to my satisfaction that true conservatives NO LONGER have a voice in Washington. Now, its only a matter of the relative speed the Repubs or the Dems are moving us toward socialism. The Libertarians and Constitutionalists parties, while I admire their ideas, haven't a snowballs chance to change things. Its too late. See Lord Alexander Tylers quotes about the life spans of "democracies." 200 years MAX. Once people discover they can vote themselves monies from the treasury, the democracy is toast. Barring intervention by Almighty God, I see no other way. The political scene today , AS I HAVE PROVEN ABOVE, bears SCARY resemblance to 1775. Two hundred years have passed. I see no other way. Time to do "heavy lifting" has returned. Your duty is to be on the correct side of history. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 6:52:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Originally Posted By Just out of curiousity, what percentage do you think you have as of today that would support a revolution of any kind? Feel free to include groups that have completely different goals (say the Black Panthers and the KKK) but share a desire for armed revolt. Max, MAYBE 1/4 of 1 %. Once started, MAYBE MAX 2% would join in. Judging from this site (the hardcore gun owners) I'd say my estimate could be over generous. [red]We've become fat and happy, willing to continue "sliding down the slippery slope" with teh Repubs (as stated above by another poster), rather than do the "heavy lifting" required today. Esentially the attitude is "Hey, hopefully I'll die before it gets too bad. I'll let it be my childrens problem."[/red] My comments here are intended merely as a barometer to test willingness to "do the heavy lifting." Can I revise my previous estimate to 1/100th of one percent??? Sad. So you criticize those of us that don't "see" your point; that's BS, man. Bartholomew_Roberts: I agree exactly of what you're saying. Edited to add: fixing my board code. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 6:55:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: My comments here are intended merely as a barometer to test willingness to "do the heavy lifting." Another good barometer is that whole voting thing - which was kind of the point I was trying to convey. You are correct, but I look at voting as indicative more of the general populace. I wanted to get a better look at hardcore gun owners, specifically. Neither have been encouraging. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 7:10:21 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Hmmm. So this is the only way to change for the better, huh? Some people SMARTER than me whose opinion I respect VERY much have proven to my satisfaction that true conservatives NO LONGER have a voice in Washington. Now, its only a matter of the relative speed the Repubs or the Dems are moving us toward socialism. The Libertarians and Constitutionalists parties, while I admire their ideas, haven't a snowballs chance to change things. Its too late. See Lord Alexander Tylers quotes about the life spans of "democracies." 200 years MAX. Once people discover they can vote themselves monies from the treasury, the democracy is toast. Barring intervention by Almighty God, I see no other way. The political scene today , AS I HAVE PROVEN ABOVE, bears SCARY resemblance to 1775. Two hundred years have passed. I see no other way. Time to do "heavy lifting" has returned. Your duty is to be on the correct side of history. Well, 'smarter' doesn't mean they are correct all the times. Do these people do for the better of the country or for themselves? [b]...true conservatives NO LONGER have a voice in Washington... You know I'm sure some people say exactly the same thing about true liberals in DC, too.[:D] |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 7:30:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Do these people do for the better of the country or for themselves? .[:D] I see no POSSIBLE profit motive in their comments. But that's irrelevant - truth is truth regardless of any motive behind it. And you are WRONG as to Liberals not having a voice in Washington - its called the Republican party. The Democratic Party is the voice for the nations Marxists. Look at what Bush has accomplished domestically. Gutted political speech from the protections of teh first Amendment via CFR. Accomplished partial socialized medicine thru the medicare bill. Continues support of Clintons AWB. Began federalization of teh public school system in numerous ways. Even teh so-called tax cut was a TARGETED tax cut, known by the logically honest as re-distribution of the wealth. Honestly, you are telling em liberals aren't represented in Washington??? Take teh blinders off, my friend. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 7:39:03 AM EDT
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Following up on my earlier post, where I espoused the idea that the GOP is trying to dismantle the DNC by coopting large parts of its agenda and spinning them a bit to the right, I wonder if that does, in fact, happen, will the future hold a political battleground made up of the GOP (centrist) and the CP or LP (Conservative Right)?
If that happens, I'll jump ship in a heartbeat. I will say this, however: This is the world's last bastion of true freedom anywhere. If this falls, it's OVER. There is nowhere else to flee to unless we get off the planet, and we don't have the technology for that. Lord knows, no one else will be coming to our aid. ...And if the seemingly-longed-for-by-some revolution DOES come, what makes you think we will emerge with a system we would all be happy with? |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 7:41:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: ...And if the seemingly-longed-for-by-some revolution DOES come, what makes you think we will emerge with a system we would all be happy with? That's why its called "the animating contest of freedom." There are no guarantees. I'm just of the belief freedom lovers are more willing to fight and risk all for freedom than marxists are willing to fight and risk all for communism. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 7:58:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: ...And if the seemingly-longed-for-by-some revolution DOES come, what makes you think we will emerge with a system we would all be happy with? Remind me of the movie "Planet Of The Ape", when Mark Wahlberg character decided to return to Earth. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 8:13:56 AM EDT
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GM -
I have a question for you and those who believe as you do. But let me preface it by saying I'm not trying to be provocative or a smartass or put you on the spot; I mean it as a serious question and I really am curious as to your answer. I've heard you speak of how this country has gone to hell in a handbasket and how we need some sort of revolution to set things straight. So here's my question; why haven't you started shooting yet? Despite your rhetoric, are you so content with the current situation you're ok with being "fat and happy" and riding the slippery slope with the rest of us sheep until [i]someone else[/i] starts to "do the heavy lifting"? Where is the line in the sand for you? When will [/i]you[/i] start to do the "heavy lifting", so to speak? We see a lot of chest-thumping and sabre-rattling here, but if all the chest-thumpers and sabre-rattlers are sitting on their hands, waiting for [i]someone else[/i] to take action, then its all just hot air IMHO. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 8:16:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: I've heard you speak of how this country has gone to hell in a handbasket and how we need some sort of revolution to set things straight. So here's my question; why haven't you started shooting yet? Despite your rhetoric, are you so content with the current situation you're ok with being "fat and happy" and riding the slippery slope with the rest of us sheep until [i]someone else[/i] starts to "do the heavy lifting"? Where is the line in the sand for you? When will [/i]you[/i] start to do the "heavy lifting", so to speak? We see a lot of chest-thumping and sabre-rattling here, but if all the chest-thumpers and sabre-rattlers are sitting on their hands, waiting for [i]someone else[/i] to take action, then its all just hot air IMHO. Standing by for the soon-to-arrive accusation of you being a mindless neo-con (probably not from GM, though). |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 8:29:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: So here's my question; why haven't you started shooting yet? For the same reason the D-Day invasion wasn't launched until June 6, 1944. Because there is a differnce between an adequately planned event, and a suicide mission. Because I seem to lack the support of hard core gun owners. Read Patrick Henry's "To Arms" [url]http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html[/url] speech, and ask yourself why he didn't just go out and start shooting. Just as I am currently gauging YOUR willingness to stand in defense of liberty, I am gauging my Congressman's willingness, as I continue to write them letters, and call their offices, and frequent the voting booth. Admittedly, we are prolly not as bad off as the colonists, but is it prudent to wait till that comes?? I'm doing what I think needs to be done for RIGHT NOW. A line in teh sand would DEFINITELY be any effort to collect all firearms, or ANY firearms for that matter, on a national basis, beyond the infringements we already suffer thru. What else? Hard to say. But I sound as a person convinced in his own moral superiority because while I haven't started shooting yet, I beleive I see our future more clearly than even many here. For I am a student of our own past. I Pray God I am wrong, but fear I am right. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 8:48:17 AM EDT
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Sorry G-man, I don't buy it, and I don't think you do either. However, you certainly started an interesting topic.
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Posted: 12/19/2003 9:02:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: GM - I have a question for you and those who believe as you do. But let me preface it by saying I'm not trying to be provocative or a smartass or put you on the spot; I mean it as a serious question and I really am curious as to your answer. I've heard you speak of how this country has gone to hell in a handbasket and how we need some sort of revolution to set things straight. So here's my question; why haven't you started shooting yet? Despite your rhetoric, are you so content with the current situation you're ok with being "fat and happy" and riding the slippery slope with the rest of us sheep until [i]someone else[/i] starts to "do the heavy lifting"? Where is the line in the sand for you? When will [/i]you[/i] start to do the "heavy lifting", so to speak? We see a lot of chest-thumping and sabre-rattling here, but if all the chest-thumpers and sabre-rattlers are sitting on their hands, waiting for [i]someone else[/i] to take action, then its all just hot air IMHO. The "Heavy-lifting", has already started. Several years ago in fact. Pay attention. [rolleyes] |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 9:36:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: GM - I have a question for you and those who believe as you do. But let me preface it by saying I'm not trying to be provocative or a smartass or put you on the spot; I mean it as a serious question and I really am curious as to your answer. I've heard you speak of how this country has gone to hell in a handbasket and how we need some sort of revolution to set things straight. So here's my question; why haven't you started shooting yet? Despite your rhetoric, are you so content with the current situation you're ok with being "fat and happy" and riding the slippery slope with the rest of us sheep until [i]someone else[/i] starts to "do the heavy lifting"? Where is the line in the sand for you? When will [/i]you[/i] start to do the "heavy lifting", so to speak? We see a lot of chest-thumping and sabre-rattling here, but if all the chest-thumpers and sabre-rattlers are sitting on their hands, waiting for [i]someone else[/i] to take action, then its all just hot air IMHO. The "Heavy-lifting", has already started. Several years ago in fact. Pay attention. [rolleyes] Care to point out some significant battles, or some of the skirmishes that have taken place? |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 10:01:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: GM - I have a question for you and those who believe as you do. But let me preface it by saying I'm not trying to be provocative or a smartass or put you on the spot; I mean it as a serious question and I really am curious as to your answer. I've heard you speak of how this country has gone to hell in a handbasket and how we need some sort of revolution to set things straight. So here's my question; why haven't you started shooting yet? Despite your rhetoric, are you so content with the current situation you're ok with being "fat and happy" and riding the slippery slope with the rest of us sheep until [i]someone else[/i] starts to "do the heavy lifting"? Where is the line in the sand for you? When will [/i]you[/i] start to do the "heavy lifting", so to speak? We see a lot of chest-thumping and sabre-rattling here, but if all the chest-thumpers and sabre-rattlers are sitting on their hands, waiting for [i]someone else[/i] to take action, then its all just hot air IMHO. The "Heavy-lifting", has already started. Several years ago in fact. Pay attention. [rolleyes] Care to point out some significant battles, or some of the skirmishes that have taken place? Nope. Like I said, pay attention. It started several years ago. |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 10:46:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2003 10:50:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Care to point out some significant battles, or some of the skirmishes that have taken place? [b]Nope[/b] Why am I not surprised? |
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Posted: 12/19/2003 11:23:14 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The "Heavy-lifting", has already started. Several years ago in fact. Pay attention. [rolleyes] Care to point out some significant battles, or some of the skirmishes that have taken place? Nope. Like I said, pay attention. It started several years ago. I'm not the most up on current events, but if you told me what you think is the start, I would at least sort of understand what your point of view is. As it is, i don't know if you think rudolph or OK city or what is the start. Just tell me a couple of instances. |
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