[ARCHIVED THREAD] - *Update: PIC* Twin Engine Aircraft does touch and go with GEAR UP. That's right, he took BACK OFF. (Page 3 of 3)
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Quoted: Not sure if I heard of that one. Purposely or malfunction? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wonder if the gear warning horn was blowing and he was like "what's that going off for?" Don't laugh. I know a Herc(C-130) that did that very thing. Warning horn and all. And a B-1 Lancer at Diego Garcia, too! Except for the taking back off part.  Not sure if I heard of that one. Purposely or malfunction? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f68_1246934452 |
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Damn, those props must have been at about 5% efficiency at that point.
The blinking light and loud wailing siren, along with the voice screaming in an electronic voice "GEAR UP - GEAR UP - GEAR UP" should have been his first tip off. He had about a second to decide to go around again, hard to tell if he choose right, excpet, he made a successful landing, which is all that matters. |
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WOW, why the hell did he go around!!! He was planted. There really are cameras everywhere these days. Damn. |
| Sea Story Time - 1970-1971 Naval Air Station Alameda California. Look at google maps and at the end of 1 runway is a long pier out into San Francisco Bay. Walk out that pier, make the left hand turn and at the end is a guard shack. Spent many a 4 hour watch there with a pair of binoculars and a flare gun. Aircraft of final, check to see that the landing gear was down. If not you were supposed to shoot a flare in front of him. Rest of the time, you sat there and watched the sea lions. Been a problem since they started making retractable gear. |
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Sea Story Time - 1970-1971 Naval Air Station Alameda California. Look at google maps and at the end of 1 runway is a long pier out into San Francisco Bay. Walk out that pier, make the left hand turn and at the end is a guard shack. Spent many a 4 hour watch there with a pair of binoculars and a flare gun. Aircraft of final, check to see that the landing gear was down. If not you were supposed to shoot a flare in front of him. Rest of the time, you sat there and watched the sea lions. Been a problem since they started making retractable gear. Ever light off a flare? |
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Know how I know you didn't do your landing checklist? 
What an idiot, and I can't believe he is still alive because I was sure he was gonna stall it right at the end. Yup, everybody always thinks they can grab some air and go around again. Hardly ever works that way in real life. Pick a spot directly ahead of you and do not attempt that turn, because odds are, you aren't going to make it. |
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Are planes of that size equipped with them? I know commercial aircraft are but what about smaller ones? Quoted:
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Wonder if the gear warning horn was blowing and he was like "what's that going off for?" Are planes of that size equipped with them? I know commercial aircraft are but what about smaller ones? Airliners use a radar altimeter to trip their warning horn. Light aircraft use airspeed below flaps speed to trigger the horn. |
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Quoted: http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/aloxited_photos/Puddy_Tats/36.jpg This guy flew 150 miles or so back to base after hitting the ground in enemy territory. that is stronk russian designed amerrrikan flying tank  ETA: finally home and watched the video, that is a VERY lucky pilot, but...  |
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Airliners use a radar altimeter to trip their warning horn. Light aircraft use airspeed below flaps speed to trigger the horn. Quoted:
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Wonder if the gear warning horn was blowing and he was like "what's that going off for?" Are planes of that size equipped with them? I know commercial aircraft are but what about smaller ones? Airliners use a radar altimeter to trip their warning horn. Light aircraft use airspeed below flaps speed to trigger the horn. I'll bet there's a throttle setting in there somewhere too. And it's more than just the Radar Altitude alone. |
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According to the accident report, they simply forgot to lower the landing gear. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f68_1246934452 Quoted:
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Wonder if the gear warning horn was blowing and he was like "what's that going off for?" Don't laugh. I know a Herc(C-130) that did that very thing. Warning horn and all. And a B-1 Lancer at Diego Garcia, too! Except for the taking back off part.
Not sure if I heard of that one. Purposely or malfunction? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f68_1246934452 They were also at the end of a pretty long flight, perhaps 14+ hours... and they were in a holding pattern prior to the approach, flaps partially down, and they silenced the gear warning since they had the throttles back to save fuel. They were unexpectedly cleared the approach and, since they probably never moved the throttles forward (which would have re-engaged the warning horn), they flew the approach with no gear. Obviously it's bad on the crew, but there was certainly some extra circumstances thrown in the mix. Not just a simple oooops moment after a short sortie. |
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Wonder if the gear warning horn was blowing and he was like "what's that going off for?" Are planes of that size equipped with them? I know commercial aircraft are but what about smaller ones? Airliners use a radar altimeter to trip their warning horn. Light aircraft use airspeed below flaps speed to trigger the horn. I'll bet there's a throttle setting in there somewhere too. And it's more than just the Radar Altitude alone. Most of the light retractables I have worked on, there's a microswitch somewhere in the throttle linkage. Pull the throttle back past a certain point, with the gear up, and the horn goes off. Piper built some singles with an extra pitot tube, that was linked to the landing gear system. Airspeed drops below a certain point, and the gear is coming down, regardless of what position the gear selector handle is in. Aerostars have been known to 'gear up' in the hangar. I helped fix one of those. A guy got in the plane to check an avionics squawk, flipped the master on, and the nose hit the floor (destroyed the nosegear doors and mangled the sides of the gear well). He flipped the master off before the mains had moved much. Piper apparently added a squat switch to the later models. |
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I don't know anyone that accidentally landed gear up but a close friends FIL was flying some blind kids in a Beech 18 and one gear didn't come down so he raised all the gear and was calm enough to shut of both engines, feather the props and then blip the starter to make sure the props were in horizontal position so as not to damage either the props or motors!
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Think I have told this one before. Flying Club in college. Guy checks out club Mooney late in afternoon for an A to B than back to A again flight. Will arrive after FBO is closed. Next morning FBO line guys do a line check, notice prop on club Mooney is bent 90 degrees, and antennas on bottom are gone. Guy gets called up, swears it was fine when he tied it down and insisted that someone took it out that night, because he conveniently left the planes logbook and key sitting on the seat when he left instead of putting in the FBO's door slot.
Calls were made to destination B, but no one saw anything. It was about 70 miles between home base and his destination. No one doubts he did a gear up and bounced the plane back into the air and turned around and flew all the way back home. He got away with it, insurance company said there was enough reasonable doubt. He was dropped from the membership rolls though, and didn't protest for some reason. |
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Wonder if the gear warning horn was blowing and he was like "what's that going off for?" Don't laugh. I know a Herc(C-130) that did that very thing. Warning horn and all. I've known a couple good, experienced pilots that have landed gear up. The right distraction at the right time can provide for what I am sure is a very special 'oh shit' moment. Watched a guy in a Cessna Caravan land wheels up on a set of amphibious floats. Better than a water landing with wheels down. Actually, ground landings on floats is a fairly standard occurrence. With Amphibs, obviously, you're supposed to drop the wheels first, but people do it all the time (carefully and intentionally) on straight floats. Usually when it's time to go from floats back to wheels or wheelskis for the winter. It's best if you can do it on grass, like thus: 
In spring, when you put the floats back on, you take off on a float dolly: ETA:
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