[ARCHIVED THREAD] - $300 AR thread for Spring! (Page 2 of 23)
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If there was any way for me to get down there, I'd buy one or three (different colors). I've always wanted one, and thought the ATF made them forever unavailable, and then the pricing afterwards made them a little out of reach of my gun money that was available at any given time. It would be a perfect Lower for a knockabout Dissipator, in my mind. If they don't do Internet or phone orders, there's no possible way for me to get one. Even with shipping and transfer fees, it's a helluva thing. Damn it.  Quoted:
If there was any way for me to get down there, I'd buy one or three (different colors). I've always wanted one, and thought the ATF made them forever unavailable, and then the pricing afterwards made them a little out of reach of my gun money that was available at any given time. It would be a perfect Lower for a knockabout Dissipator, in my mind. If they don't do Internet or phone orders, there's no possible way for me to get one. Even with shipping and transfer fees, it's a helluva thing. Damn it. Quoted:
It's an A1 stock length. If you get hold of an ARFCOM CavAid Mk 1 lower, they're A2+. Quoted:
Anything special to know about building one of these stripped lowers? Do they need a special lower parts kit or special know-how?  Failed To Load Title |
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Quoted:. GWACS Armory produces them now and they're generally better than Cav produced units in fit and finish.
CAV Aid receivers were all MKIIs  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnpFfieMZrYTo the 2nd point, AR15.COM-08 is clearly a Mk 1 lower. I'll try to get some pics up over the next few days. |
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Yes to the 1st point. I gave away a brand new GWACS lower to my best man. To the 2nd point, AR15.COM-08 is clearly a Mk 1 lower. I'll try to get some pics up over the next few days. CAV-15 MKIs ceased production in 2002 and were replaced by the MKII in November of 2003. Cav Arms made limited edition AR15.com serial numbers at various points. |
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These lowers are more than good to go, and I hate poly ARs.
As for "Cav-aid" it's one reason that I no longer automatically give gun companies the auto benefit just because "f the ATF". Glad another company is making these and not Cav-Arms now. I have a Pigeon Gray MKII that was given to me by my wife as a wedding gift. There were only 12 made so the rarity and sentimental came is there. I sold off my FDE Cav-aid a while ago. |
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These lowers are more than good to go, and I hate poly ARs. As for "Cav-aid" it's one reason that I no longer automatically give gun companies the auto benefit just because "f the ATF". Glad another company is making these and not Cav-Arms now. I have a Pigeon Gray MKII that was given to me by my wife as a wedding gift. There were only 12 made so the rarity and sentimental came is there. I sold off my FDE Cav-aid a while ago. |
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These lowers are more than good to go, and I hate poly ARs. As for "Cav-aid" it's one reason that I no longer automatically give gun companies the auto benefit just because "f the ATF". Glad another company is making these and not Cav-Arms now. I have a Pigeon Gray MKII that was given to me by my wife as a wedding gift. There were only 12 made so the rarity and sentimental came is there. I sold off my FDE Cav-aid a while ago. |
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I think the paperwork advises using a heavier buffer to prevent damage if you use a larger caliber. I had one replaced because it partially split at the front of the magwell. If you don’t do something about making the safety removable you will probably damage the reciever trying. It traps the trigger so if you might ever want to change or upgrade the fcg have a plan before you install the parts. The safety detent hole is blind since the grip is part of the reciever.
You also need to trim the bolt catch spring. For some reason they didn’t make the hole standard depth and it needs balanced against a weaker magazine follower to insure reliability. I used an old colt twenty round magazine and a drill bit in place of the roll pin until it worked. If I remember right you need to remove about 1 1/2 coils. The bolt catch slot bothered me so I used tiny washers to space the catch from full contact friction also. They may have gone from the aluminum meat tenderizer butt plate to plastic. My replacement still had aluminum. I don’t know if the web page is still out there but a guy used to offer customization that included shortening the stock and modifying the grip. The trigger guard is wide and very uncomfortable against your middle finger where it meets the grip. It looks like there is plenty of meat if you choose to shape it to get rid of the contact point. |
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CAV-aid was post atf raid in 2008 CAV-15 MKIs ceased production in 2002 and were replaced by the MKII in November of 2003. Cav Arms made limited edition AR15.com serial numbers at various points. 
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Quoted: I think the paperwork advises using a heavier buffer to prevent damage if you use a larger caliber. I had one replaced because it partially split at the front of the magwell. If you don’t do something about making the safety removable you will probably damage the reciever trying. It traps the trigger so if you might ever want to change or upgrade the fcg have a plan before you install the parts. The safety detent hole is blind since the grip is part of the reciever.
You also need to trim the bolt catch spring. For some reason they didn’t make the hole standard depth and it needs balanced against a weaker magazine follower to insure reliability. I used an old colt twenty round magazine and a drill bit in place of the roll pin until it worked. If I remember right you need to remove about 1 1/2 coils. The bolt catch slot bothered me so I used tiny washers to space the catch from full contact friction also. They may have gone from the aluminum meat tenderizer butt plate to plastic. My replacement still had aluminum. I don’t know if the web page is still out there but a guy used to offer customization that included shortening the stock and modifying the grip. The trigger guard is wide and very uncomfortable against your middle finger where it meets the grip. It looks like there is plenty of meat if you choose to shape it to get rid of the contact point. |
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After pretending they had no earthly idea why they were raised sndnclaiming to be innocent and accepting our support. $20 is $300 too much. |
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What went wrong with cavaid? Cav Arms was allowed to continue business as usual with their FFL still in place. Cav Arms sold a lot of receivers following the raid to fund raise legal defense. Sometime later (6-8 months) the Civil Asset Forfeiture documents were made public that made a lot of allegations; in Civil forfeiture cases the property is charged and the people who owned it have to refute the charges. The government can allege basically anything and you have to prove it wrong; or you can just say "the hell with it I'll go buy more new stuff for less than the cost of the legal battle" After these documents were released Cav Arms said they simply couldn't talk about it per the advice of counsel. In February of 2010, Shawn Nealon the CEO chose to take a plea agreement to illegal sales to a California resident (who presented himself as an AZ resident) rather than face dozens of charges in criminal court in a expensive protracted legal battle. Cav Arms was given 1 month to dispose of all serialized firearms parts. In May of 2010 He was sentenced to 3 years probation, given a $10,000 fine, and 300 hours of community service. in June of 2010 the assets of Cavalry Arms Corp were sold. The former operations manager Christian Cappello formed Cavalry Manufacturing LLC and sells all the non-FFL parts. GWACS Armory eventually purchased the CAV-15 Molds and Tooling in late 2011. Given the way that it turned out some people felt betrayed by Cav Arms because they purchased products to support the company. Some people feel that Cav Arms should have disclosed publicly what they knew during an ongoing federal investigation against the advice of counsel. Some people wanted Cav Arms to address all the allegations in the Civil Forfeiture document in a public forum. Some people felt that "innocent men never take pleas". Nealon is now running another successful business and never spent a day in prison away from his family. He also didn't go bankrupt. Nealon has stated in an Armsroom podcast episode that he made mistakes. Cav Arms losing its license may have been a reasonable outcome for what actually happened; regulatory violations. To the people still mad at Cav Arms 8-10 years later; be glad you didn't live through any of this yourselves. |
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For those who don't know, Gun Jesus and his First Disciple Karl used these on the "What Would Stoner Do" build series and cleared them as basically the only poly lowers worth a fuck. I may drive up there to grab one. Assuming thy liveth under a rock, our Lord and Saviour Ian McCollum: 
The first of "What Would Stoner Do":  What Would Stoner Do? (WWSD) Rethinking the AR15 in 2017 - Introduction They have several hours of video on the series on what they approve of, what works, etcetcetc. If its the latter.......BURN THE HERETIC 
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Not my pics Just found. Attached File https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/CAV_ARMS_LOSES_FFL_TO_ATF_and_OWNER_ADMITS_TO_ILLEGALLY_SELLING_40_GUNS__COULD_DO_TIME_/5-1003311/ 
This is after not "staying silent on the matter upon recommendation of attorney " (which would totally make sense). ..but rather claiming they had no idea why they were raided. And taking money and support . 
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This is after not "staying silent on the matter upon recommendation of attorney " (which would totally make sense). ..but rather claiming they had no idea why they were raided. And taking money and support . Not having an idea what it was about is an accurate statement until the civil forfeiture documents were released 6-8 months after the raid. Cav Arms was not instructed to stay silent. That's an impossibility when it's all over the news and forums. Cav Arms was instructed not to discuss specifics of the ongoing legal battle. Most support came in the form of people buying product at MSRP value. IIRC Nealon offered to refund any donations people had made when it was all done with. I can't remember anyone taking him up on that, but it's been 8 years. |
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That's the civil forfeiture document mentioned above multiple times. I dropped my claim to get my $400 shotgun back and just bought another one. It wasn't worth the fight.
Apparently nothing I say is going to give you a more balanced perspective. That's fine, I just don't care to see the historical record on this distorted. I wouldn't wish what happened to Cav Arms on my worst enemy. Should you ever come to the attention of those in authority, you will receive an education in law and civics you didn't get in school. |
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For those who don't know, Gun Jesus and his First Disciple Karl used these on the "What Would Stoner Do" build series and cleared them as basically the only poly lowers worth a fuck. I may drive up there to grab one. |
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That's the civil forfeiture document mentioned above multiple times. I dropped my claim to get my $400 shotgun back and just bought another one. It wasn't worth the fight. Apparently nothing I say is going to give you a more balanced perspective. That's fine, I just don't care to see the historical record on this distorted. I wouldn't wish what happened to Cav Arms on my worst enemy. Should you ever come to the attention of those in authority, you will receive an education in law and civics you didn't get in school. 
When respected community members were talking like this- like there might need to be a violent end to the abuse- shit was serious. Then- it's suddenly made clear 2 years later that he knowingly broke laws and it wasn't a governmental railroading afterall.... a lot of people had very bad tastes in their mouths. Having been worked into a frenzy about injustice while it was simple criminal behavior all along. |
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Then- it's suddenly made clear 2 years later that he knowingly broke laws and it wasn't a governmental railroading afterall.... a lot of people had very bad tastes in their mouths. Having been worked into a frenzy about injustice while it was simple criminal behavior all along. The owner making a plea to the one charge that would have been hardest to argue against with minimal consequences vs facing dozens of charges to refute while exhausting his financial resources and putting his family through another couple years of legal hell? Do you trust that a jury would believe innocence or just think "guns are scary, he must have done something"? Regulatory mistakes were made and bad judgment exercised. What Cav Arms deserved was simply losing its license to manufacture firearms. I don't think you understand how the criminal justice system really works. And most people won't unless they experience it first hand. |
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Where are you getting billet aluminum lowers for $20? B/c we're all interested now. I will look at the boxes in my safe tonight. I bought 4 of them. Just hit my googles. Noreen is the brand. Special was around 6 months ago IIRC. Brownells has them for $40 right now. They were also selling them recently for $40 with a $20 gift card. |
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Quoted: Are these complete lowers? I don't know if he'll ship 'em w/ the buffer retaining pin retaining roll pin or not. It's a $2 part from Cav Manufacturing, you can get one from a hardware store, or use a paperclip. |
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Quoted: So if I don't care about the cost difference, am I better off ordering a new GWACs compared to these? Or no improvements have been made? I had occasion to use the GWACS warranty when I tried hammering in the LRBHO roll pin and broke off one of the LRBHO bosses. They were very friendly, and I paid $35 + shipping to get a brand spanking new lower. |
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As far as I'm aware, stripped, albeit you should get the specialty takedown pins w/ em. I think he sold out of the lowers w/ installed LPK some time ago. I don't know if he'll ship 'em w/ the buffer retaining pin retaining roll pin or not. It's a $2 part from Cav Manufacturing, you can get one from a hardware store, or use a paperclip. Quoted:
Quoted: Are these complete lowers? I don't know if he'll ship 'em w/ the buffer retaining pin retaining roll pin or not. It's a $2 part from Cav Manufacturing, you can get one from a hardware store, or use a paperclip. 
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I don't know all the details - but I remember nearly every one hwre being worked into a huge frenzy over massive unchecked and unwarranted governmental overreach. People were mad as hell that the government would target a gun company and owner for no reason and some were even talking avout revolt. For years it was assumed cav arms and its owner were innocent victims. https://i.imgur.com/0UuHGO3.png When respected community members were talking like this- like there might need to be a violent end to the abuse- shit was serious. Then- it's suddenly made clear 2 years later that he knowingly broke laws and it wasn't a governmental railroading afterall.... a lot of people had very bad tastes in their mouths. Having been worked into a frenzy about injustice while it was simple criminal behavior all along. EDIT: So you think Civil Asset Forfeiture makes us like Mexico, but it's ok here when you use the complaint to support your argument? |