Posted: 5/28/2020 10:41:56 AM EDT
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Is the following lower receiver legal for CMP/NRA Service Rifle? https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-stripped-lower-receiver-anodized-black Thanks. |
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No, that one is not legal. This one is CMP/NRA Legal.https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/ar15-stripped-lower-gen2-anodized-black |
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Originally Posted By Loudenboomer_8972: No, that one is not legal. This one is CMP/NRA Legal.https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/ar15-stripped-lower-gen2-anodized-black Thanks! |
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| Personally I feel they need to change the categories for CMP service right competitions because rifles like the A2/A3 never had freefloated handguards or optics. The need to have a stock service rifle division and current production division. Stock rifles should be government profile non-freefloated rifles without hooded sights and standard rear elevation knobs and then for current production you can free floated hand guards and optics. I shoot a stock A2 with a government profile barrel etc. and in no way can I compete with the current ruled rifles and while I don't compete for anything but fun I just think that the setups that are used today aren't really service rifles per-se but facsimiles of what people think a service rifle should be. |
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Originally Posted By usmcchet9296: Personally I feel they need to change the categories for CMP service right competitions because rifles like the A2/A3 never had freefloated handguards or optics. The need to have a stock service rifle division and current production division. Stock rifles should be government profile non-freefloated rifles without hooded sights and standard rear elevation knobs and then for current production you can free floated hand guards and optics. I shoot a stock A2 with a government profile barrel etc. and in no way can I compete with the current ruled rifles and while I don't compete for anything but fun I just think that the setups that are used today aren't really service rifles per-se but facsimiles of what people think a service rifle should be. I hear what you're saying. I am a bit of a "purist" when it comes to using iron sights, and standard issue setups for a "service rifle" class. It's difficult to get enough undistinguished shooters in an EIC match these days as the rules stand. If the CMP/NRA were to split Service rifles into the categories you mentioned, it would be even harder to meet the minimum requirements to earn leg points. F-Class pretty much ruined High Power XTC. Sad part is, F-class was created by an elderly Canadian gentlemen who could no longer hold his rifle with a sling. Nowadays, all you see is young guys with their "Precision Rifles", shooting from mechanical rests, and they think it takes skill to do that. Death before F-Class. |
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Originally Posted By BerlinVet: Is the following lower receiver legal for CMP/NRA Service Rifle? https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-stripped-lower-receiver-anodized-black Thanks. Negatory! |
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Thanks for asking that question. I was unsure of that myself. I assume any billet upper is also not in compliance with the new rules. It says no "billeted" uppers or lowers...I had bought a billet upper to use on my CMP build, but I guess I'll have use a forged upper and use the billet upper to build a 450 Bushmaster or 458 SOCOM. Darn. |
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Originally Posted By Senator16: Thanks for asking that question. Â I was unsure of that myself. Â I assume any billet upper is also not in compliance with the new rules. Â It says no "billeted" uppers or lowers...I had bought a billet upper to use on my CMP build, but I guess I'll have use a forged upper and use the billet upper to build a 450 Bushmaster or 458 SOCOM. Â Darn. It's not a billet lower but does have features that aren't permitted |
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Originally Posted By Loudenboomer_8972: I hear what you're saying. I am a bit of a "purist" when it comes to using iron sights, and standard issue setups for a "service rifle" class. It's difficult to get enough undistinguished shooters in an EIC match these days as the rules stand. If the CMP/NRA were to split Service rifles into the categories you mentioned, it would be even harder to meet the minimum requirements to earn leg points. Â F-Class pretty much ruined High Power XTC. Sad part is, F-class was created by an elderly Canadian gentlemen who could no longer hold his rifle with a sling. Nowadays, all you see is young guys with their "Precision Rifles", shooting from mechanical rests, and they think it takes skill to do that. Â Death before F-Class. And guys on the outside looking in see all the various classes and 5000 rules and wonder why you have any competitors left. It's like hot rod guys requiring you have the original battery tray before you are allowed on the track. Did we maybe forget the original intended purpose of cmp? I thought the original intent was to bring military type training to the civilian world and get people interested in the shooting sports. I have a couple of questions about the competition that have been bothering me. Why are we using specialized coats, gloves, and gear you would never have on the field? When did we get away from the spartan approach or was it never a concern? Why are we years behind adopting whatever the military is going with? So the military has adopted the 1-6 sig scope. When will that see adoption in CMP you think? |
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Originally Posted By devildog93:...Why are we using specialized coats, gloves, and gear you would never have on the field?... Coats, gloves, spotting scopes, mats, etc. are allowed because it's a competitive sport and to be competitive you have to use equipment that enhances your shooting. The rules are not open, there are limits as to what is allowed. You can wear and use plain old military gear if you want but most competitors have and use specialized shooting gear. It's pretty standard stuff for target shooters. The other poster wanted to know why we don't use issued rifles. The reason is that in Highpower competition that goes back more than 100 years that there were two classes of rifles. Service rifles and match rifles. Service rifles had to appear to be a standard rifle but could be improved "under the skin". If you changed the rules that only issued rifles be used, nothing would change, the top shooters would have the top scores but you would have trouble getting parts for your rifle because the top teams would cherry pick the best parts and the good parts would be picked at the factory before they hit the marketplace. A good match grade AR is not very expensive, it's about as cheap as target shooting gets. |
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Originally Posted By HomeAtLast: Is the following lower receiver legal for CMP/NRA Service Rifle? https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-stripped-lower-receiver-anodized-black Thanks. Get the Geissele lower. It is $5 less. https://geissele.com/super-duty-stripped-lower-receiver-5-56-black.html I got mine at Sportsmans Warehouse and got the Geissele High Speed NM trigger. I shoot it at Camp Perry, passes every time. |
| 120 years ago, it was all "military training"... the Army & Marines were ONLY shooting bullseye rifle; they didn't do anything differently at their unit than they did at Camp Perry or Sea Girt. Up thru the M1 Garand era, the Army & USMC apparently issued shooting jackets to those who were going to the qual range, so the jackets have been around a long, long time. The history of "military shooting" is basically CMP / NRA bullseye from 1870s to WWII. The old WWI era shooting books show Soldiers & Marines wearing ad hoc jackets with elbow, shoulder & sling padding, plus homemade sheepskin gloves. |
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The Service Rifle is what the services declare it. The Army's is the M4. The Marines use the M4. The Army (all cadets, privates, and lieutenants) qualifies with the Aimpoint Close Combat Optic. All Marines use the 4.5x ACOG. Specialty rifles (DM and M27 Automatic Rifle) are issued to squad members but are not taught or shot for qualification to the entire force in basic training. |