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Posted: 5/5/2022 8:20:56 PM EDT
 Little pricey in my view, but Zenith is a quality outfit from what I remember… https://zenithfirearms.com/product/zf-5/ https://atlanticfirearms.com/zenith-zf-5-9mm-pistol-zf50000009bk Zenith ZF-5 9MM Pistol Features Zenith ZF-5 9MM Pistol Model ZF50000009BK UPC 860005414185 Made in the USA ! 9MM Semi Auto Roller Delayed Blowback Cold Hammer Forged 8.9" Barrel 3 lug mount with flash hider 1/2x28 Thread Adjustable Rear Diopter Sight Polymer Grip Matte Black Finish Thumb Safety 6-8 pond trigger pull 2 point sling Carry case Picatinny optics rail 3-30 Round Magazines Weight 5.5 lbs Lifetime warranty The Zenith ZF-5 9MM Pistol ZF50000009BK is a classic roller delayed blowback pistol that is made in the U.S. by Zenith Firearms. This 9mm semi auto pistol features a 9.8" cold hammer forged barrel with 1/2x28 thread pattern and 3 lug mount option. Sights include a protected front post sight and an adjustable rear diopter sight. A comfortable polymer grip will help you keep on target with this lightweight pistol. The included Picatinny optic rail will allow the use of your favorite optic. Comes with 3- 30 round magazines, sling & hard case. If you are looking for a MP5 style pistol that is of the highest quality and specs than look no further than this Zenith ZF-5 9MM Pistol. |
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Posted: 5/5/2022 8:43:50 PM EDT
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The quality you remember are the MKE’s Zenith used to import. Now they’re building guns from scratch. But Century’s MKE guns are $1000 less than Zenith’s. Are they worth the extra thou? GARY.
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Posted: 5/5/2022 9:11:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The quality you remember are the MKE’s Zenith used to import. Now they’re building guns from scratch. But Century’s MKE guns are $1000 less than Zenith’s. Are they worth the extra thou? GARY. I'm thinking anybody who can afford to spend $2500 for this can afford to spend $3000 on a HK. The Century MKE guns were $2500 when they were first available and the price quickly dropped to $1500-1600 range for likely that exact reason, if the real deal German guns are only 20% more why not just get that instead. |
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Posted: 5/5/2022 10:09:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm thinking anybody who can afford to spend $2500 for this can afford to spend $3000 on a HK. The Century MKE guns were $2500 when they were first available and the price quickly dropped to $1500-1600 range for likely that exact reason, if the real deal German guns are only 20% more why not just get that instead. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The quality you remember are the MKE’s Zenith used to import. Now they’re building guns from scratch. But Century’s MKE guns are $1000 less than Zenith’s. Are they worth the extra thou? GARY. I'm thinking anybody who can afford to spend $2500 for this can afford to spend $3000 on a HK. The Century MKE guns were $2500 when they were first available and the price quickly dropped to $1500-1600 range for likely that exact reason, if the real deal German guns are only 20% more why not just get that instead. You are absolutely correct. The issue and reason people are paying the money is the supply issue of the HK. 20k+ back in stock subscribers for every supplier that carries them and then theres the ones on GB that are selling for $3500-4k. The clone game is the available and affordable game for many even at $2500.00. It's a shitty game these days. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 6:03:32 AM EDT
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There's not a day in my life where I would consider a homegrown Zenith for $2500. You could nearly get 2 MKE guns for that price and those are made by major arms manufacturer.
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Posted: 5/6/2022 6:08:40 AM EDT
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Are the POF MP5' and SMGPK ever coming back into USA?
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Posted: 5/6/2022 6:29:06 AM EDT
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Interesting
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Posted: 5/6/2022 7:17:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/6/2022 10:08:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The quality you remember are the MKE’s Zenith used to import. Now they’re building guns from scratch. But Century’s MKE guns are $1000 less than Zenith’s. Are they worth the extra thou? GARY. I have both an SP5 and AP5-P. No f'ing way am I paying $2500 for a US built clone. You can find real HK's for 3k (or apparently less if you look long enough) and the MKE guns are phenomenal values, more so when one considers they are the real deal. I think Zenith is going to struggle mightily at that price point. They will have to compete with the MKE guns to survive. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 12:02:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have both an SP5 and AP5-P. No f'ing way am I paying $2500 for a US built clone. You can find real HK's for 3k (or apparently less if you look long enough) and the MKE guns are phenomenal values, more so when one considers they are the real deal. I think Zenith is going to struggle mightily at that price point. They will have to compete with the MKE guns to survive. Totally agree with this. The manufacturer who steps up and brings in the .223 variant or the 93 or Z-43 keep the price resonable will bring in some $ |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 12:07:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Totally agree with this. The manufacturer who steps up and brings in the .223 variant or the 93 or Z-43 keep the price resonable will bring in some $ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have both an SP5 and AP5-P. No f'ing way am I paying $2500 for a US built clone. You can find real HK's for 3k (or apparently less if you look long enough) and the MKE guns are phenomenal values, more so when one considers they are the real deal. I think Zenith is going to struggle mightily at that price point. They will have to compete with the MKE guns to survive. Totally agree with this. The manufacturer who steps up and brings in the .223 variant or the 93 or Z-43 keep the price resonable will bring in some $ MKE makes 93 clones, I'm surprised Century is not bringing them in. ATI and Zenith both imported small amounts of them at one time. I'd buy one. ETA: and what I'd really like is a 53 |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 12:15:42 PM EDT
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At that price point, spend an extra $500 and get the real deal.
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Posted: 5/6/2022 12:19:22 PM EDT
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$2500 for that? No.
I will stay with H&K manufactured MP5's, thanks anyhow. Heck, a B&T GHM or APC is less expensive. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 12:25:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have both an SP5 and AP5-P. No f'ing way am I paying $2500 for a US built clone. You can find real HK's for 3k (or apparently less if you look long enough) and the MKE guns are phenomenal values, more so when one considers they are the real deal. I think Zenith is going to struggle mightily at that price point. They will have to compete with the MKE guns to survive. First thing I though too. It is a head scratcher. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 2:35:52 PM EDT
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Maybe they bought the tooling from Bailey. For $2500 you get an overpriced Omega.
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Posted: 5/6/2022 8:35:59 PM EDT
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Zenith treated me well when I had an issue with one of their MKE imports. I seem to remember that they also got a pretty raw deal when MKE decided to use Century for imports, so I can understand why they wouldn't just want to fold. I wish them well, but I agree that I don't see the value proposition here.
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Posted: 5/6/2022 8:56:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/6/2022 9:50:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who do we think makes the mags? https://zenithfirearms.com/product/zf-5-30rd-magazine-six-pack/ https://zenithfirearms.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/zf5_9mm_magazine4_2880x1920.png They're rebranded KCI gen 2 magazines so, there's that. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 10:12:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're rebranded KCI gen 2 magazines so, there's that. Thanks, wasn’t sure if that was a deal or not. Would rather pay a bit more and get the HKs |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:31:56 AM EDT
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Just a few thoughts;
...Competition is good for consumers. ...That grip housing looks only slightly less retarded than PTR's. ...They be hittin' the rock if they think people won't walk past the Zenith section to the HK section at that price. ...Hopefully street prices will be lower. Century started out with ambitious prices, and look at them now. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:47:02 AM EDT
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Make an SD and they'll get some of my money.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:54:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At that price point, spend an extra $500 and get the real deal. lol. It's funny you think they are $500.00 more right now. Please post the link, I'll buy another. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:49:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol. It's funny you think they are $500.00 more right now. Please post the link, I'll buy another. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 11:58:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Steel's just had a bunch of SP5s at $3k. Had. Sportsman's also had some 4 weeks ago. To restate my first post, had and gone in less than an hour is not in stock. And, this is why the clone market is $2500.00. When there is a steady stock of them and supply goes up, the clone market will stop overcharging. |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 9:31:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2022 10:46:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Had. Sportsman's also had some 4 weeks ago. To restate my first post, had and gone in less than an hour is not in stock. And, this is why the clone market is $2500.00. When there is a steady stock of them and supply goes up, the clone market will stop overcharging. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Steel's just had a bunch of SP5s at $3k. Had. Sportsman's also had some 4 weeks ago. To restate my first post, had and gone in less than an hour is not in stock. And, this is why the clone market is $2500.00. When there is a steady stock of them and supply goes up, the clone market will stop overcharging. |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 12:11:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Had. Sportsman's also had some 4 weeks ago. To restate my first post, had and gone in less than an hour is not in stock. And, this is why the clone market is $2500.00. When there is a steady stock of them and supply goes up, the clone market will stop overcharging. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Steel's just had a bunch of SP5s at $3k. Had. Sportsman's also had some 4 weeks ago. To restate my first post, had and gone in less than an hour is not in stock. And, this is why the clone market is $2500.00. When there is a steady stock of them and supply goes up, the clone market will stop overcharging. Don't be lazy and do some leg work and you'll find one. |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 1:51:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't be lazy and do some leg work and you'll find one. Easier said than done. Hard to beat retirees with no life who snap up and resell shit at a profit. I’m not padding a boomers retirement, so I’ll stay without. |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 6:39:53 PM EDT
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I saw one of these at a LGS Friday. $2495. For that price I would spend the little more abs get the real deal.
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